from comic to game

[acdc]

well with the new review of spiderman and xmen up
i was thinking are there any good super hero games on the genesis

the only one i could think of is ex-mutants love that game
don t now their comics or who they are but great game none the less
the spiderman games they suck form seperation anxienty to spiderman the series

anyone else like to comment on this one

[Nunzio]

I thought Maximum Carnage was pretty good when I was younger. Wicked box art too.

[djshok]

Ex-Mutants? Really, IMO that game is terrible, but then again I like Spiderman and X-Men. So it's really a matter of personal taste at this point.

Spider-Man Maximum Carnage I found to be one of the best comic book games for the Genesis. A lot of people complain that it doesn't have 2 player mode, but if you can get past that this game is a decent brawler. You get a lot of different combat moves, can summon help characters and the graphics and music are some of the best on the system. Seperation Anxiety is a really bad sequel to this game.

There is also X-Men 2 as the obvious choice that everyone loves, and it is a great game. Easy to get into, has fantastic graphics and an excellent roster of playable characters, including Magneto.

Wolverine Adamantium Rage isn't too bad . Graphics are as good as X-Men 2, gameplay is a little clunkier, but you get password saves, so that's a nice plus. The Genesis version is also MUCH MUCH better than the SNES one.

Batman Returns is another fun superhero game. It's dark, moody and very appropriate for the character. The game is just satisfying to play, it's just fun being Batman and kicking ass.

Batman Forever, is a controversial one. I for one like it a lot because of the combat system, which is basically like Mortal Kombat. It's like playing a Batman game with MK moves, I never understood why people don't like this one as much.

[Why-Disciple]

I know I keep saying this, but X-Men 2 is fuckin' godly. Simply put, buy it.

[Iron Lizard]

I used to play the crap out of the Spider-man game on Sega CD when I was much younger. I can't say if I would still enjoy now though it has been so long.

[Melf]

Spider-Man on Genesis is my all-time favorite 16-bit super hero game. The Sega CD version messed with the gameplay and removed the camera option.

X-Men 2 is incredible as well.

[Baloo]

Comix Zone.

Oh wait...

[Why-Disciple]

Hey, I've got a question, forgive my ignorance if it's been gone over already. What's the difference between this Spiderman:
http://www.texturemonkey.com/HCG/blog/Spiderman_Genesis_%2811%29.jpg

And this Spiderman?
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/5/580605_36037_front.jpg

[djshok]

Why-Disciple, the first one is actually Spider-Man vs The Kingpin, I have no idea why they didn't give it the sub title. I guess it came out early on in the 90s and there were no other Spider-Man games on the system at that time. Although as soon as you start playing, the opening screen tells you which game it is.

http://www.sega-16.com/review_images/801/1.jpg

The second game is Spider-Man: The Animated Series... again I have no idea why they haven't included that sub title. That one was released in '95, at that point they really had no excuse...

[djshok]

Comix Zone.

Oh wait...


HA! I see what you did there.

[Phantar]

I agree with those who think X-Men 2 is the best comic book adaptation on Genesis.

Though back in the day I greatly enjoyed Maximum Carnage and The Punisher as well... solid Beat'em'ups.

[Christuserloeser]

The original Batman by Sunsoft is great!

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St_C_m4BUus

- Wasn't there also a Superman game by Sunsoft ?




Wolverine Adamantium Rage isn't too bad . Graphics are as good as X-Men 2, gameplay is a little clunkier, but you get password saves, so that's a nice plus. The Genesis version is also MUCH MUCH better than the SNES one.

Linkara did a nice review of it:
http://blip.tv/play/hM07gYHeHQI%2Em4v
He usually does comic book reviews, but this is a crossover with Spoony who in turn had to review a comic book (which he did (http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/05/21/atop-the-fourth-wall-warrior-1/)).



Batman Returns is another fun superhero game. It's dark, moody and very appropriate for the character. The game is just satisfying to play, it's just fun being Batman and kicking ass.

I thought it sucked. Totally overrated...


Batman Forever, is a controversial one. I for one like it a lot because of the combat system, which is basically like Mortal Kombat. It's like playing a Batman game with MK moves, I never understood why people don't like this one as much.

Batman Forever gotta be among the worst games on any console ever. It's right up there along with ET.

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Part 2/2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvs6JDSBqoE

[djshok]

Batman Forever gotta be among the worst games on any console ever. It's right up there along with ET.

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Part 2/2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvs6JDSBqoE


See, I never understood why people say that. The Angry Nerd, just seems to hate it because he sucks at it and can't figure out the controls. Mind you they do make more sense with a Genesis 6 button controller than on the SNES.

I don't see why someone would complain about the MK style combat. Mortal Kombat being a fighting game has a well polished fighting system, seeing as how that's basically all it does. The fighting game combat system is much more advanced than what you get in most brawlers or sidescrolling action games, which usually limit you to punch, special move and jump kick, maybe a throw if you're lucky. Now with Batman Forever you get a whole repretoire of fighting game moves to use. How exactly is this a bad thing?

The Angry Nerd says it takes too long to kill enemies, but look at how poorly he's playing. He keeps doing the same move over and over again, instead of using all the moves to perform combos to maximize damage, and on top of it, the one move he keeps doing over and over again is the uppercut which knocks the enemy down. No shit that's not gonna work very well. If you play MK and only use the uppercut you're gonna have the same complaints (and the computer will probably catch on after the 3rd or 4th time you do it). Now if you do a solid kick/punch combo and finish it off with an uppercut the enemies die pretty fast. He's got a shit attitude and isn't even trying to play the game in most of that review. WTF is he doing at 8:39? Playing one handed?

Next complaint, the game is too dark... Dude, it's fucking Batman! it's supposed to be dark and gloomy looking, this isn't a romp in the Fantasy Zone. He lives in Gotham. GOTHam! If you can't see things, check the settings on your TV, game looks fine on mine. Foreground obstructions aren't really a massive problem, you never really get anything that obstructs the screen to unplayable levels. In fact the scrolling foreground adds to the mood, and depth in the environments. Plenty of games like Shinobi 3 had foreground elements that overlapped the middleground and no one seems to complain about that.

Next point, the controls, well yeah on the SNES they suck due to the button layout, but not a problem on a Sega 6 button controller, jumping down with C+Down isn't really that hard. Plus not knowing what button does what isn't really an excuse for saying a game sucks, they came bundled with a manual for that reason.

A lot of people like to hate on this game without giving any solid reasons as to why. The angry video game nerd is a prime example of that. It seems to be trendy to not like this game. :daze:

[kool kitty89]

Batman Forever gotta be among the worst games on any console ever. It's right up there along with ET.

At least the sega CD version lets you play the awesome Driving stages alone.
I think it's up to personal taste overall, I'm not a big 2D platformer fan in general, so my oppinion wouldn't fit that well. (and I haven't much played it anyway)


See, I never understood why people say that. The Angry Nerd, just seems to hate it because he sucks at it and can't figure out the controls. Mind you they do make more sense with a Genesis 6 button controller than on the SNES.

The Angry Nerd says it takes too long to kill enemies, but look at how poorly he's playing. He keeps doing the same move over and over again, instead of using all the moves to perform combos to maximize damage, and on top of it, the one move he keeps doing over and over again is the uppercut which knocks the enemy down. Umm, you know he usually plays intentionally bad to emphesize the flaws, right? (the kind of complaints an average player might have)


Next point, the controls, well yeah on the SNES they suck due to the button layout, but not a problem on a Sega 6 button controller, jumping down with C+Down isn't really that hard. Plus not knowing what button does what isn't really an excuse for saying a game sucks, they came bundled with a manual for that reason.
Umm, AFIK the SNES BMR is an entirely different game, and often considdered superior by comparison. (unless I'm mixing that up with batman forever)

[djshok]

Umm, you know he usually plays intentionally bad to emphesize the flaws, right? (the kind of complaints an average player might have)


Yeah, I get that, but he usually has some more valid criticism, with this one he's just complaining about really stupid crap that he's doing in the game. It's like playing Sonic and constantly falling into a pit and saying the game sucks because your character doesn't jump high enough.

[Why-Disciple]

Why-Disciple, the first one is actually Spider-Man vs The Kingpin, I have no idea why they didn't give it the sub title. I guess it came out early on in the 90s and there were no other Spider-Man games on the system at that time. Although as soon as you start playing, the opening screen tells you which game it is.

http://www.sega-16.com/review_images/801/1.jpg

The second game is Spider-Man: The Animated Series... again I have no idea why they haven't included that sub title. That one was released in '95, at that point they really had no excuse...

So how do they compare to each other? I've heard very little about the second game.

[Xeniczone]

See, I never understood why people say that. The Angry Nerd, just seems to hate it because he sucks at it and can't figure out the controls. Mind you they do make more sense with a Genesis 6 button controller than on the SNES.

I don't see why someone would complain about the MK style combat. Mortal Kombat being a fighting game has a well polished fighting system, seeing as how that's basically all it does. The fighting game combat system is much more advanced than what you get in most brawlers or sidescrolling action games, which usually limit you to punch, special move and jump kick, maybe a throw if you're lucky. Now with Batman Forever you get a whole repretoire of fighting game moves to use. How exactly is this a bad thing?

The Angry Nerd says it takes too long to kill enemies, but look at how poorly he's playing. He keeps doing the same move over and over again, instead of using all the moves to perform combos to maximize damage, and on top of it, the one move he keeps doing over and over again is the uppercut which knocks the enemy down. No shit that's not gonna work very well. If you play MK and only use the uppercut you're gonna have the same complaints (and the computer will probably catch on after the 3rd or 4th time you do it). Now if you do a solid kick/punch combo and finish it off with an uppercut the enemies die pretty fast. He's got a shit attitude and isn't even trying to play the game in most of that review. WTF is he doing at 8:39? Playing one handed?

Next complaint, the game is too dark... Dude, it's fucking Batman! it's supposed to be dark and gloomy looking, this isn't a romp in the Fantasy Zone. He lives in Gotham. GOTHam! If you can't see things, check the settings on your TV, game looks fine on mine. Foreground obstructions aren't really a massive problem, you never really get anything that obstructs the screen to unplayable levels. In fact the scrolling foreground adds to the mood, and depth in the environments. Plenty of games like Shinobi 3 had foreground elements that overlapped the middleground and no one seems to complain about that.

Next point, the controls, well yeah on the SNES they suck due to the button layout, but not a problem on a Sega 6 button controller, jumping down with C+Down isn't really that hard. Plus not knowing what button does what isn't really an excuse for saying a game sucks, they came bundled with a manual for that reason.

A lot of people like to hate on this game without giving any solid reasons as to why. The angry video game nerd is a prime example of that. It seems to be trendy to not like this game. :daze:

I like his show, but people who actually take him serious annoys me. He is comedian and is there to entertain, not actually review the game. But he is the prime reason that a lot of people hate on a lot of games that are perfectly good. I hate his 32X review because he is so bias toward Sega systems.

[Namakubi]

So how do they compare to each other? I've heard very little about the second game.

The graphics are quite good, the music is pretty much crap, other than the title screen song, and the controls are stiff and awkward, it takes way too long to figure out how to control Spidey. There's also some really cheap enemies and areas in the game.

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[jerry coeurl]

See, I never understood why people say that. The Angry Nerd, just seems to hate it because he sucks at it and can't figure out the controls. Mind you they do make more sense with a Genesis 6 button controller than on the SNES.

I don't see why someone would complain about the MK style combat. Mortal Kombat being a fighting game has a well polished fighting system, seeing as how that's basically all it does. The fighting game combat system is much more advanced than what you get in most brawlers or sidescrolling action games, which usually limit you to punch, special move and jump kick, maybe a throw if you're lucky. Now with Batman Forever you get a whole repretoire of fighting game moves to use. How exactly is this a bad thing?

The Angry Nerd says it takes too long to kill enemies, but look at how poorly he's playing. He keeps doing the same move over and over again, instead of using all the moves to perform combos to maximize damage, and on top of it, the one move he keeps doing over and over again is the uppercut which knocks the enemy down. No shit that's not gonna work very well. If you play MK and only use the uppercut you're gonna have the same complaints (and the computer will probably catch on after the 3rd or 4th time you do it). Now if you do a solid kick/punch combo and finish it off with an uppercut the enemies die pretty fast. He's got a shit attitude and isn't even trying to play the game in most of that review. WTF is he doing at 8:39? Playing one handed?

Next complaint, the game is too dark... Dude, it's fucking Batman! it's supposed to be dark and gloomy looking, this isn't a romp in the Fantasy Zone. He lives in Gotham. GOTHam! If you can't see things, check the settings on your TV, game looks fine on mine. Foreground obstructions aren't really a massive problem, you never really get anything that obstructs the screen to unplayable levels. In fact the scrolling foreground adds to the mood, and depth in the environments. Plenty of games like Shinobi 3 had foreground elements that overlapped the middleground and no one seems to complain about that.

Next point, the controls, well yeah on the SNES they suck due to the button layout, but not a problem on a Sega 6 button controller, jumping down with C+Down isn't really that hard. Plus not knowing what button does what isn't really an excuse for saying a game sucks, they came bundled with a manual for that reason.

A lot of people like to hate on this game without giving any solid reasons as to why. The angry video game nerd is a prime example of that. It seems to be trendy to not like this game. :daze:

It ain't The Nerd's fault that you can tolerate shitty games, guy. Batman Forever is a turd. I can't believe anyone would defend it in this enlightened age.

[oldmanwinters]

See, I never understood why people say that. The Angry Nerd, just seems to hate it because he sucks at it and can't figure out the controls. Mind you they do make more sense with a Genesis 6 button controller than on the SNES. . . .
A lot of people like to hate on this game without giving any solid reasons as to why. The angry video game nerd is a prime example of that. It seems to be trendy to not like this game. :daze:

Wow, I never thought I'd see such a detailed defense of Batman Forever. And yet, I have a confession to make...

I LOVED this game when it came out and I agree with you that most of the hate comes from people who have no idea how to play it and didn't bother to look up the (admittedly) complex controls. I'm guessing most people think of the SNES game when they review it and the Genesis is probably a better option regarding the controls.



- Wasn't there also a Superman game by Sunsoft ?

Yup, a very difficult and tedious game that improves significantly after the first level:
http://www.sega-16.com/review_page.php?id=852&title=Superman

Seems like Sunsoft put more effort into their NES games than their 16-bit ports such as Batman and Superman which didn't have near the creative level design that their NES Batman title had.

[djshok]

I like his show, but people who actually take him serious annoys me. He is comedian and is there to entertain, not actually review the game. But he is the prime reason that a lot of people hate on a lot of games that are perfectly good. I hate his 32X review because he is so bias toward Sega systems.

Yeah that's what bugs me about it too, people watch his stuff and then get a massive hateon for some of the games without even playing them. His show is pretty funny and well made (well, for youtube), and I like it when he has valid criticisms about the games, which he often (not always) does. Sometimes he just goes off on a bias though. I totally agree with you about the 32x review, he really does do it justice. He seems to be more of a Ninty guy.

[Christuserloeser]

But he is the prime reason that a lot of people hate on a lot of games that are perfectly good. I hate his 32X review because he is so bias toward Sega systems.

Easily one of his best reviews.

Actually, thinking about it, of all his reviews this one is probably my personal favorite.



He seems to be more of a Ninty guy.

He used to be called The Angry Nintendo Nerd before he started to do Sega and Atari reviews as well.


To clarify: I played Batman Forever twice. Once when I was ~17 or whatever, and some kids in my neighbourhood bought it FULL PRICE (poor bastards!), and once back in 2002 when I discovered emulation. That is two times more than I should have played it.

The reason I think that Batman Forever is one of the worst games ever made is not because the Nerd did a video about it but because I think that Batman Forever is one of the worst games I ever played.


It. is. no. fun. AT. ALL. It sounds terrible. It looks awful. It controls even worse. I have no reason to play something that damages my nervous system. Even thinking about this game hurts me physically.





It ain't The Nerd's fault that you can tolerate shitty games, guy. Batman Forever is a turd. I can't believe anyone would defend it in this enlightened age.

"You must spread some Reputation around before you can give it to jerry coeurl again."





Yup, a very difficult and tedious game that improves significantly after the first level:
http://www.sega-16.com/review_page.php?id=852&title=Superman

Seems like Sunsoft put more effort into their NES games than their 16-bit ports such as Batman and Superman which didn't have near the creative level design that their NES Batman title had.

I agree that the NES Batman is a masterpiece, but still, the MD game is pretty darn good too.

I'll give Superman a try some day, but it certainly doesn't look anywhere near as good as Batman.



At least the sega CD version lets you play the awesome Driving stages alone.

I think you are talking about Batman Returns, which I think was developed or at least published by Sega of America, but I was referring to Batman Forever by ....Acclaim! *insert thunder and lightning*


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Love how it has that typical Global Gladiators scrolling, where the camera always adjusts itself with a delay of like two seconds. It makes me feel sea sick just looking at it. :yuck:



Again, for comparison, here's Sunsoft's Batman, released some five or six years earlier:

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[old man]

I loved captain america and the avengers in the arcade. The Genesis port was good, but could have been better.

[oldmanwinters]

I agree that the NES Batman is a masterpiece, but still, the MD game is pretty darn good too.

I'll give Superman a try some day, but it certainly doesn't look anywhere near as good as Batman.


Yeah, I certainly hope to be able to pick up Batman for Genesis someday to give it a real try. One thing Sunsoft did really well was the music composition and Genesis Batman and Superman are no exception to that high standard.