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promking
03-18-2010, 11:02 AM
Theres prolly been a bunch of threads about this, but I'm pretty mad. I wanted to purchase a Moonwalker for my collection because it's a good game IMO... the prices are insane! I remember this being a 10 dollar game on ebay before he died. ugh
Yea I wanted to get it too because the Genesis versions of Billie Jean and Smooth Criminal sound pretty cool.
Bought it the other day, (JP) version £30.00 is that insane? I dont even know.
Horrible game, but hyped to death after MJ passed away... RIP
Horrible game, but hyped to death after MJ passed away... RIP
But the Music makes me smile, and the dancing
Christuserloeser
03-18-2010, 04:35 PM
Horrible game, but hyped to death after MJ passed away... RIP
It's not the best game ever, but it's definitely not horrible.
And even if it was horrible, the music would still totally kick ass.
Shinobi
03-18-2010, 04:41 PM
Theres prolly been a bunch of threads about this, but I'm pretty mad. I wanted to purchase a Moonwalker for my collection because it's a good game IMO... the prices are insane! I remember this being a 10 dollar game on ebay before he died. ugh
I had the same trouble when I recently went looking for a copy, think it may just have to be put in the pile of games I won't be getting.
NeoVamp
03-18-2010, 04:56 PM
Moonwalker is actually a pretty solid game, its not very deep but the gameplay is fun for a little while.
Hardly horrible.
The music is probably the only redeeming quality.
The whole monkey thing is just really pointless, and finding those kids hidden behind doors and whatnot, blah. Controls feel unresponsive at times.
Graphics are above average for the time and the moves you can pull off are kinda cool (although also pointless), but the game is just plain boring.
Zombies and T&J do the whole "collect kids/neighbors/chopsticks" thing way better.
Christuserloeser
03-18-2010, 06:18 PM
No. Neither ZAMN nor Toejam & Earl are better.
Toejam & Earl 2 is more fun for a while but during the later levels you realize that there won't be any surprises during the later stages and it just gets tedious.
You are actually being serious, aren't you? :|
Those two games are better for their 2p mode alone. Not to mention the replay value and deeper gameplay.
I'd really like to know where all the love for Moonwalker is suddenly coming from. I've never heard anyone call it a decent game before last year.
I can understand people wanting to buy it, because it's sort of a collector's item now. But a solid or decent game? It's plagued by too many flaws.
Sparksterz
03-18-2010, 06:58 PM
idk...I played the arcade version first, then I went to play the console version. The console version is absolute garbage in comparison to the arcade version. It probably has something to do with the fact that they're completely different games. But man was I disappointed when I played the console version...
enix2093
03-18-2010, 10:31 PM
I've loved this game since it came out.
I'm glad I didn't try to make a quick buck off his death. I'm gonna go play it now that it's on my mind.
gamegenie
03-18-2010, 10:56 PM
Horrible game, but hyped to death after MJ passed away... RIP
no SEGA game is horrible, and certainly not this game. :mad:
Namakubi
03-18-2010, 11:05 PM
Any idea when you guys think the price is going to level off for this game? It's frustrating because it's super common, but people keep trying to make a quick buck off of Michael's death and inflate the price artificially.
It's not super accurate but it'll give you an idea what to pay and where at.
http://www.videogamepricecharts.com/game/sega-genesis/michael-jackson-moonwalker
edojapan76
03-19-2010, 12:03 AM
Glad I bought mine when I did... 15 years ago.
Mr Smith
03-19-2010, 06:00 AM
Moonwalker is average at best. I'm another in the smug category who bought the game before Jackson died. :ok:
SegaMan89
03-19-2010, 03:20 PM
I agree 100% with gamegenie. BTW if you are looking for a REV00 copy, the version with four 8 second clips of Thriller in it, good luck on that out of 11 copies I've owned over the course of my search only 2 of them were REV00.
JRedmond3
03-19-2010, 04:26 PM
There are 2 versions of the Case that I've encountered, 1 just says Moonwalker on the front and the other says 16-bit Cartridge at the bottom. And on the back it has the description in 5-6 languages.
kool kitty89
03-19-2010, 06:41 PM
Prices seem to have dropped to much more reasonable levels again, apparently similar to the most recent ones prior to MJ's death. (the prices were getting a bit higher before he died)
Take a look at the completed listings on ebay. (the ones that actually sell)
The CIB copies are still a bit pricey though.
17daysolderthannes
03-19-2010, 06:45 PM
I scooped up mine for $10 from someone that got a huge lot of Genesis games from Goodwill for pennies. It was technically loose, but it did come in a clamshell with an old school Funcoland instructions insert, which I think is pretty cool and probably really uncommon.
Im still waiting for mine to come thru the post. Like i said before i paid £30 for my copy. Does the jp version have thriller ? Anyways i got it and it was a impulse buy at best.
Getting goons and zombies to dance with you is priceless though!
Baloo
03-19-2010, 08:10 PM
Yeah, Thriller is in the Japanese game and REV 00 of the US one.
I've got a REV 01 copy with a beat up manual and insert, kind of annoys me. I want to get rid of it and buy a nice Rev 00 copy with mint manual and box.
djshok
03-19-2010, 08:54 PM
I have a near mint copy of it, box and cart are practically perfect, no manual though :( When I married my wife, we combied our Sega collections, this one came from hers, she had since the 90s!
The Coop
03-19-2010, 09:23 PM
Not a very big fan of the game myself.
Yes, the music was done quite well, and the graphics and animation were good too, so a part of me liked those areas. But there's another part of me that wants something more from a game.
Now, I don't wanna be startin' somethin', but I have to be honest. The gameplay is just... I don't know... dull. The game feels like different parts that just didn't come together right. It's like a licensed, neutered beat'em up. Not once do you feel like the areas you're in are dangerous, or that your life is on the line, because there just aren't that many enemies coming at you. You are not alone in the stages, but in spots you come pretty close. As a result, there's no real sense of being threatened as you play through. Add to that how the stages are basically gone too soon, and I really saw no reason to smile once the initial wow factor of the music and animation wore off.
Keep in mind, I'm not coming in the back on this. I'm walking through the front as someone who did beat it more than once. As such, it's not like I decided to jam after only five minutes of playing it.
I imagine this puts me in the minority here, but I can't help it. I mean, the game's not bad per se, and I'm sure some of you are thinking, Try playing it again. You'll probably enjoy it more this time around. But the truth is, I did. When Jackson died I gave it one more chance, and the game was still just not an action packed thriller that made we want to play it again.
Now, I'm sure a few of you are a bit speechless what I've said. Some of you may think I just don't "get it" with this game, and my opinion may have a serious effect in how you see me. If you feel the urge to scream "WHATZUPWITU?!" at me, feel free. I won't cry if you do, or start trouble. But don't walk away thinking I never gave this game a chance, because I did. It just wasn't the best game in HIStory to me... or one that was even close.
But, that's just my take on it. I know some of you will think I'm off the wall, but I don't know what more I can give in terms of why I didn't like it very much except...
;)
jerry coeurl
03-20-2010, 05:37 PM
Not a very big fan of the game myself.
Yes, the music was done quite well, and the graphics and animation were good too, so a part of me liked those areas. But there's another part of me that wants something more from a game.
Now, I don't wanna be startin' somethin', but I have to be honest. The gameplay is just... I don't know... dull. The game feels like different parts that just didn't come together right. It's like a licensed, neutered beat'em up. Not once do you feel like the areas you're in are dangerous, or that your life is on the line, because there just aren't that many enemies coming at you. You are not alone in the stages, but in spots you come pretty close. As a result, there's no real sense of being threatened as you play through. Add to that how the stages are basically gone too soon, and I really saw no reason to smile once the initial wow factor of the music and animation wore off.
Keep in mind, I'm not coming in the back on this. I'm walking through the front as someone who did beat it more than once. As such, it's not like I decided to jam after only five minutes of playing it.
I imagine this puts me in the minority here, but I can't help it. I mean, the game's not bad per se, and I'm sure some of you are thinking, Try playing it again. You'll probably enjoy it more this time around. But the truth is, I did. When Jackson died I gave it one more chance, and the game was still just not an action packed thriller that made we want to play it again.
Now, I'm sure a few of you are a bit speechless what I've said. Some of you may think I just don't "get it" with this game, and my opinion may have a serious effect in how you see me. If you feel the urge to scream "WHATZUPWITU?!" at me, feel free. I won't cry if you do, or start trouble. But don't walk away thinking I never gave this game a chance, because I did. It just wasn't the best game in HIStory to me... or one that was even close.
But, that's just my take on it. I know some of you will think I'm off the wall, but I don't know what more I can give in terms of why I didn't like it very much except...
;)
Nice post, but still... I'd rather play Moonwalker over Atomic Robo-Kid and Heavy Nova any day of the week. Just sayin'. ;)
edojapan76
03-20-2010, 06:11 PM
Ya not all jap copys are rev00
OldSchool
03-22-2010, 01:17 PM
Rented this when I was a kid... thought it was pretty badass at the time.
I'll pick up a copy for $10-20... not paying more than that though.
cvanderhoef
03-22-2010, 01:30 PM
I thought this game wasn't too bad. There are a lot of games better than this but this game isn't bad at all. I didn't know there were two versions? What's the story behind that? How can you tell which one you have?
Bablefish
03-23-2010, 11:01 AM
I was actually looking for this game before MJ died. But since it is too expensive for my tastes. I agree it's a good game but I am not paying that much.
like the mastersystem version more
KnightWarrior
04-03-2010, 02:07 PM
I still don't get shit heads still think the game is worth alot
molotovwars
04-03-2010, 02:33 PM
Looking at the time of your PM'd offer and the time of this post, should I thank you for calling me a shit head? Or am I just looking into things too much?
Anyways, the quality of a game doesn't always dictate its price. There are plenty of shittier games that sell for far more, and a plethora of amazing games that sell for almost nothing. Whose to says it not worth its current market value, plus besides its got 16-bit Billie Jean and thats got to be worth something ;)
KnightWarrior
04-03-2010, 02:34 PM
Nah..that for people on ebay dude..all I see is jaked up prices for the game..that's not to you
molotovwars
04-03-2010, 02:44 PM
haha no worries
SegaMan89
04-04-2010, 10:34 PM
I thought this game wasn't too bad. There are a lot of games better than this but this game isn't bad at all. I didn't know there were two versions? What's the story behind that? How can you tell which one you have?
Here ya go:
Some copies of REV00 may have the full song of Thriller in levels 3-1, 3-2, and 3-3 which means that the song plays throughout the entire level but I still haven't seen one of them. I believe this may just be a internet rumor because I have only heard of it on that youtube page that has the different variants of Moonwalker.
Most copies of REV00 have Thriller in levels 3-1, 3-2, 3-3, and 5-3 which is activated by holding down the A button until Michael starts dancing (Also known as the Dance Magic) and around a 8 second clip of Thriller starts playing.
All copies of REV01 have Thriller omitted and replaced with the level song Another Part Of Me
The REV00 copies are the first runs and aside from the Thriller exerts is 100% identical to the REV01 copies (Cart, Instruction Manual, and Box) similar to the game Revenge of Shinobi (I believe there are 5 different versions of that game)
About the Japanese cart (please note that this is my belief I may be wrong here) I believe that around 75% of the REV00 carts are actually the Japanese release. That is why if you are looking for a REV00 most people say try to find a Japanese cart because there is a higher probability of getting REV00 instead of REV01
Also, Thriller is not in the Sound Test, the graveyard scenes and level 5-3 are the only places where Thriller plays.
About Thriller being removed it's possibly because of copyright issues because it was written by Rob Temperton not MJ.
promking
04-05-2010, 08:36 AM
I got a copy from a friend, wound up trading some crappy xbox games I hated for it ^^
I played up to the graveyard last night, then I got tired and shut it off :-x
molotovwars
04-05-2010, 08:56 AM
I got a copy from a friend, wound up trading some crappy xbox games I hated for it ^^
I played up to the graveyard last night, then I got tired and shut it off :-x
Turn On the console and hold UP+LEFT+A on controller 2, and press START when the Sega Logo appears and release everthing. Now, take the controller 1 and press START on the title screen, choose the 1 Player Option and press START again. It should lead you to the Level Select screen.
Choose stage 3-1. Move foward a little and hold the A button until Michael and all the zombies start to dance. If you have REV00, Thriller will play, otherwise, Another Part Of Me will play.
Took me :39 seconds to verify that my cart had Thriller and that includes turning the console on and letting everything load up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-7j9dhC4VA
promking
04-05-2010, 09:39 AM
I will do this when I get home, thanks ^^
OldSchool
04-05-2010, 11:17 AM
Here ya go:
Some copies of REV00 may have the full song of Thriller in levels 3-1, 3-2, and 3-3 which means that the song plays throughout the entire level but I still haven't seen one of them. I believe this may just be a internet rumor because I have only heard of it on that youtube page that has the different variants of Moonwalker.
Most copies of REV00 have Thriller in levels 3-1, 3-2, 3-3, and 5-3 which is activated by holding down the A button until Michael starts dancing (Also known as the Dance Magic) and around a 8 second clip of Thriller starts playing.
All copies of REV01 have Thriller omitted and replaced with the level song Another Part Of Me
The REV00 copies are the first runs and aside from the Thriller exerts is 100% identical to the REV01 copies (Cart, Instruction Manual, and Box) similar to the game Revenge of Shinobi (I believe there are 5 different versions of that game)
About the Japanese cart (please note that this is my belief I may be wrong here) I believe that around 75% of the REV00 carts are actually the Japanese release. That is why if you are looking for a REV00 most people say try to find a Japanese cart because there is a higher probability of getting REV00 instead of REV01
Also, Thriller is not in the Sound Test, the graveyard scenes and level 5-3 are the only places where Thriller plays.
About Thriller being removed it's possibly because of copyright issues because it was written by Rob Temperton not MJ.
I could give two shits less.
Man, some of you guys get sooo wrapped up in the weirdest details of games.
:?
Da_Shocker
04-05-2010, 12:20 PM
I bought mine bout 10 year's CIB for under 10 dollars. My thing is why on earth has this game not been put on XBLA, PSN and VC. Is there some copyright issues going on?
Markss
04-05-2010, 01:24 PM
i got it for 5 pounds on master system cib yet on the mega drive the cib copys seem to go for 15 quid plus
Christuserloeser
04-05-2010, 03:41 PM
I could give two shits less.
WTF are you doing here ? :confused:
(aside of complaining, I mean)
The Sports Guy
04-05-2010, 03:47 PM
Pretty confident he just wanted to make it known that a lot of people go all out about caring about these Genesis games. It was just tacky to go about it that way.
Christuserloeser
04-05-2010, 03:59 PM
Maybe. - I probably wouldn't have said anything if it was someone else, but from what I've seen this guy posts nothing but negative comments all over the place.
JRedmond3
04-05-2010, 04:15 PM
I could give two shits less.
Man, some of you guys get sooo wrapped up in the weirdest details of games.
:?
"He made Thriller.......Thriller"
I don't see how it's a minute detail. I mean they removed one of his most popular songs from the game, for reasons still unknown. I'd imagine that all the people who made it to the zombie level were expecting Thriller to play somewhere.
SegaMan89
04-06-2010, 01:06 AM
I could give two shits less.
Man, some of you guys get sooo wrapped up in the weirdest details of games.
:?
Pretty confident he just wanted to make it known that a lot of people go all out about caring about these Genesis games. It was just tacky to go about it that way.
Hey, A rainbow for each. If the info helps anyone, your welcome and if it annoys anyone, sorry about that. Moonwalker has always been one of my favorite games and always will so I have tried to collect info about it. MJ FAN FOR LIFE:p
The Sports Guy
04-06-2010, 09:13 AM
Once you get past everything, it's just a mediocre platformer. I don't care that it has MJ, and I can go without having the game in my collection.
Though I do like MJ as well.
gamegenie
04-06-2010, 09:18 AM
Once you get past everything, it's just a mediocre platformer. I don't care that it has MJ, and I can go without having the game in my collection.
Though I do like MJ as well.
just about everything can be viewed as mediocre when looking at something through a lens 20 years after it's released. This game is one of the greatest game of all times imo.
and I'm not the only one who thinks so.
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/greatestgames/p-38.html
I like generic platformers...
The Coop
04-06-2010, 02:56 PM
and I'm not the only one who thinks so.
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/greatestgames/p-38.html
That's Jeff Gerstmann. His opinion on things means little after his "review" of Taito Legends 2 :p
And to be honest, the Sonic platformers, Tinhead, Dynamite Headdy, Ristar, Socket, Rocket Knight Adventures, Sparkster, Bubsy, Bubsy 2, Aladdin, The Lion King, Castlevania: Bloodlines, Earthworm Jim, Earthworm Jim 2, Kid Chameleon, Risky Woods, Saint Sword, Revenge of Shinobi, Shadow Dancer, Shinobi III, Cool Spot, Spot Goes to Hollywood, Valis III, and Wolfchild were all more enjoyable than Moonwalker. Hell, the platforming in Heavy Nova was more fun.
I realize this is solely my opinion, but how Moonwalker can be held in such high regard is puzzling to me.
gamegenie
04-06-2010, 03:05 PM
That's Jeff Gerstmann. His opinion on things means little after his "review" of Taito Legends 2 :p
And to be honest, the Sonic platformers, Tinhead, Dynamite Headdy, Ristar, Socket, Rocket Knight Adventures, Sparkster, Bubsy, Bubsy 2, Aladdin, The Lion King, Castlevania: Bloodlines, Earthworm Jim, Earthworm Jim 2, Kid Chameleon, Risky Woods, Saint Sword, Revenge of Shinobi, Shadow Dancer, Shinobi III, Cool Spot, Spot Goes to Hollywood, Valis III, and Wolfchild were all more enjoyable than Moonwalker. Hell, the platforming in Heavy Nova was more fun.
I realize this is solely my opinion, but how Moonwalker can be held in such high regard is puzzling to me.
perhaps because you're naming games that came after Moonwalker. Perhaps I should destroy your list by throwing in Saturn, Dreamcast titles
The Coop
04-06-2010, 03:22 PM
perhaps because you're naming games that came after Moonwalker. Perhaps I should destroy your list by throwing in Saturn, Dreamcast titles
No, it's because those games were made better and were far more creative. Age has nothing to do with it. The Alex Kidd games, the Ninja Gaiden games, Psycho Fox, Shinobi, Batman (NES and Genesis), the Castlevanias, the Mario games... all of them leave Moonwalker behind. Hell, the arcade game is better than the Genesis version.
If you take out MJ and his tunes, I honestly don't think anyone would care about the game. This is simply my opinion, but I feel there are scores of better platformers, both older and and newer... and that's just 2D 8-bit and 16-bit ones. Hop over to 32-bit with the likes of Astal and them, and the list grows even further.
Keep in mind guys, I'm not bashing your opinions of the game. You like and that's cool. I just don't see why so many hold it in such high regard.
Namakubi
04-06-2010, 03:34 PM
Keep in mind guys, I'm not bashing your opinions of the game. You like and that's cool. I just don't see why so many hold it in such high regard.
I agree with you, and I'll tell you why they hold it in high regard: Nostalgia, pure and simple. They loved MJ when they were kids, and a Genesis game where you played as him was guaranteed quality in their eyes, regardless of the mediocre quality of the game.
And as Coop said, it's no knock against everybody else in here, but compared to many platformers on many other systems, it's mediocre at best, beyond the Michael Jackson brand.
This game is one of the greatest game of all times imo.
and I'm not the only one who thinks so.
Wow :o, this game is getting better with each passing day. Now it's considered the greatest game of all time.
But:
perhaps because you're naming games that came after Moonwalker. Perhaps I should destroy your list by throwing in Saturn, Dreamcast titles
Please do. I'd like to know of next-gen platformers that are better than the ones listed.
Aside from Bubsy. Bubsy is a pile of shit... although still better than Moonwalker. Maybe.
Christuserloeser
04-06-2010, 04:15 PM
^ He did not claim that it would be "the greatest game of all time", but you're just trolling anyway.
Blast from the past:
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:)
I think with moonwalker is its not very deep (obviously) but on top of that you do have a strange amount of things to discover.
No game previously could you ever grab your own groin...ever! or since, that in my opinion gives it points straight away.
Again MJ music, but I find on somedays this grates due to the MDs sound capabilities. but still a novelty to start off with.
Again anything with digital voices was boner worthy back in the early 90's, even if the kids did sounds like bart on helium.
Stomping on keyboards and it playing the notes, kicking chairs, getting everyone to dance the thriller?! sliding down banisters! how are they not classic gaming moments?! you ever slid Sonic down a banister on the Gens?
Yeah Its a shallow, short and generic game BUT it had so many little things going for it which on occassion gave you a little smirk, which more than made up for it.
Groundbreaking stuff during the time it was released. I think people forget how limited and uninspired the games out at the same time were if not for the minority.
Christuserloeser
04-06-2010, 04:40 PM
Again MJ music, but I find on somedays this grates due to the MDs sound capabilities. but still a novelty to start off with.
I can tell you got a model 2 Mega Drive :p
Of all good aspects of this game, the music definitely is most impressive, and still sounds totally kick ass today.
I got a shitty MK1 model (Non HD model), and some wierd V4 Asian MK1 which I keep meaning to take fotos of, because it confuses the fluff out of me.
But yeah, neither of these Megadrives sound good, which is a shame :( but I have to admit, im starting to find most Megadrive audio pretty bad.
Christuserloeser
04-06-2010, 06:07 PM
I have to admit, im starting to find most Megadrive audio pretty bad.
Wrong answer man.
recorded via model 1:
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recorded via model 1:
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recorded via emulator:
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recorded via model 2:
VR_xsuLYZRI&fmt=18
Baloo
04-06-2010, 06:24 PM
I can tell you got a model 2 Mega Drive :p
Of all good aspects of this game, the music definitely is most impressive, and still sounds totally kick ass today.
I agree, they really recreated the music well for the time IMO.
Personally, I love Moonwalker. Sure, it's shallow, but it's still a good bit of fun. A friend of mine (who I believe posted this in the comments on the Moonwalker review page) about Moonwalker:
"Moonwalker is like bubble gum, good while it lasts". And that is really a great way to describe Moonwalker. It's got fun gameplay, good graphics, great music, great speech, it's a pretty decent game. But due to the repetitive backgrounds and once you master everything, the game becomes boring, much like a piece of bubble gum that's lost it's flavor.
But Moonwalker is still a great game.
Wrong answer man.
hehe
I think I need to get me a new model 1.
The Coop
04-06-2010, 07:24 PM
Wrong answer man.
recorded via model 1:
MU7sv_oeWTA&fmt=18
recorded via model 1:
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recorded via emulator:
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recorded via model 2:
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I think that would work better if it was the same song via Model 1, EMU and Model 2. It would really show the differences more.
Someone did that with a track from Road Rash a good while ago, but the links died.
Christuserloeser
04-06-2010, 07:39 PM
Nah, I wasn't trying to show the difference between the models/emulation, but to sample some good music using the MD's audio hardware.
It just seemed fair to also add which hardware they were recorded with.
I quite like the first track, what game is it from. I can pick out the difference between them, so now im off looking for a new MK1 and some new hookups.
i also love the Ice zone music on Sonic 3! and alot of different SegaCD audio but thats completely different story I suppose.
The Coop
04-06-2010, 08:01 PM
I quite like the first track, what game is it from. I can pick out the difference between them, so now im off looking for a new MK1 and some new hookups.
The first song is "Flood of Power" from Midnight Resistance. The second's "Flugelheim Museum" from Batman and the third one's "Adventures of Iron" from Gauntlet IV. I don't recognize the forth tune right off the top of my head.
I only played batman on the Amiga, so im sure the moosics/game are completely different. It sounds surprisingly happy for batman though, like he should be dancing through that level or atleast have a spring in his step.
Christuserloeser
04-06-2010, 08:15 PM
Batman's music was composed by Naoki Kodaka (who also did the music for Super Fantasy Zone). Here's some video footage of the game:
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Midnight Resistance is a Contra clone with music arranged by Hitoshi Sakimoto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitoshi_Sakimoto) (Radiant Silvergun, Gradius V, Odin's Sphere, Muramasa: Demon Blade):
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The main problem I have with this game is that the music is so breath-taking that it's really hard to focus on what's going on in the game... ^ ^
I don't recognize the forth tune right off the top of my head.
An unreleased track to an unreleased game (Time Trax) using an unreleased sound driver by Dean Belfield. Composed by Tim Follin. - I've been looking for an opportunity to repost it. ^ ^
VR_xsuLYZRI
hehe cheers mate.
yeah see, doesn't look as happy as I expected him too.
gamegenie
04-06-2010, 10:05 PM
No, it's because those games were made better and were far more creative. Age has nothing to do with it. The Alex Kidd games, the Ninja Gaiden games, Psycho Fox, Shinobi, Batman (NES and Genesis), the Castlevanias, the Mario games... all of them leave Moonwalker behind. Hell, the arcade game is better than the Genesis version.
If you take out MJ and his tunes, I honestly don't think anyone would care about the game. This is simply my opinion, but I feel there are scores of better platformers, both older and and newer... and that's just 2D 8-bit and 16-bit ones. Hop over to 32-bit with the likes of Astal and them, and the list grows even further.
Keep in mind guys, I'm not bashing your opinions of the game. You like and that's cool. I just don't see why so many hold it in such high regard.
first off, what's qualifies as great is subjective, so not everyone is going to agree with you, neither are they going to agree with me, but I say MJ moonwalker is bad ass because I grew up when the game was fresh and was the talk amongst my peers in grade school. Clearly the overall fallacy you're making in judging MJ Moonwalker (no matter what version Arcade/MS/Genesis) is that you're comparing it based on games that come since it, and not seeing how innovative the game was for it's time that made everyone like it.
I can easily be an ass and post annoying posts saying such and such game is better than A game because I didn't like A game therefore I will put every game above it like you're doing here, but I'm not going to stoop to your level of immaturity.
The Coop
04-07-2010, 01:45 AM
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first off, what's qualifies as great is subjective, so not everyone is going to agree with you, neither are they going to agree with me, but I say MJ moonwalker is bad ass because I grew up when the game was fresh and was the talk amongst my peers in grade school. Clearly the overall fallacy you're making in judging MJ Moonwalker (no matter what version Arcade/MS/Genesis) is that you're comparing it based on games that come since it, and not seeing how innovative the game was for it's time that made everyone like it.
I grew up with the 2600 and Atari XE, so I was playing the platformers that were truly "primitive" in their simplicity, yet were still loads of fun. I also enjoyed the likes of Mario Bros., Adventure Island and other platformers that came along in the late '80s and 1990 in the arcades. Does that make me some kind of expert? Nope. But it does give some context in terms of my experience with the genre before Moonwalker came about.
To further this, I had a friend (yes I know, hard for you to be believe I'm sure) who bought Moonwalker the day it showed up at a local EB. I played it, beat it, played through it a few more times over the following months, but didn't see the fun of it. The music was good as were the graphics, but the game itself just didn't do it for me. I wasn't fortunate enough to own an NES at the time, but he did and I found the first two Ninja Gaidens, the three Castlevanias, and the three Marios to be a lot more interesting and fun. I didn't name them to be "immature" as you called it, but because they're all 1990 or earlier platform games which I played back when they were new... not years later.
Yes, all the games in my first game list post came out on the same year or later as Moonwalker. You criticized it for that very reason and it was a fair point to be made. So I made a post with platform games that all came before or on the same year as Moonwalker... platform games that share more in common with the platformers that littered the Genesis and SNES during the 16-bit era, than with Moonwalker.
And just for clarification's sake, the Alex Kidd games (up to the last game "Shinobi World"), Shinobi (Arcade and SMS), Batman (NES and MegaDrive/Genesis), the first two Ninja Gaidens, all three Marios, all three Castlevania games and Psycho Fox were all 1990 or earlier 8-bit games. Ninja Gaiden III was 1991, which was my mistake as I thought it was 1990.
I can easily be an ass and post annoying posts saying such and such game is better than A game because I didn't like A game therefore I will put every game above it like you're doing here, but I'm not going to stoop to your level of immaturity.
The moment you typed this last paragraph and likened my posts to me being "an ass" and "immature," you surpassed anything you seem to have inferred from my posts. I say "inferred" because I assure you whatever insults and such you read into them, weren't implied.
I didn't make a "I liked every other platformer more" sweeping statement because there are games (like Awesome Possum) which I enjoy less. So instead, I listed the ones on the Genesis I liked more and explicitly said it was "solely my opinion." I tried to make sure what I wrote wasn't to be taken... well, apparently how you took it. And then the same seems to have happened with my followup post with all the 8-bit games.
Why you took this so personally, I don't know. I gave my opinion and neither insulted or belittled anyone's thoughts on Moonwalker in giving it. So what's with the snide commentary and insults?
^ He did not claim that it would be "the greatest game of all time", but you're just trolling anyway.
I'm not trolling, it was an honest question.
"The greatest", or "one of the greatest", it doesn't matter.
The point I was trying to make is that I've been visiting sega boards/retro game review sites/etc. for years, and never have I read about or heard anyone call Moonwalker a good game. I also played the game right when it got released, and everyone I knew thought it kind of blew (ok, this doesn't say a whole lot, but just to give a view of the situation back then).
This all started to change right after MJ died. So the logical conclusion would be that people think it's a good game because MJ isn't here anymore.
I just don't think a game's quality should be judged by that.
Swap the main protagonist with a random no-name hero and tunes that don't resemble MJ's music, and you're left with a bad (even worse?) game.
Do the same with Sonic/Gunstar/Castlevania/whatever game for example, and you still have a good game.
Just admit that the gameplay is not worth writing home about, and that it's all about the main character and music.
People that say it's such an awesome game, fun to play etc. are just fooling themselves.
Of course, this shouldn't be taken too serious. You have your opinions, I have mine. I'm just wondering.
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