Nintendo Revolution gets an official name

[Joe Redifer]

The Nintendo Wii.

Yes. Wii. Pronounced "we". Look anywhere on the internet including Nintendo's own site and you will see this is not a joke. I think I would be embarrassed to purchase a Wii and embarrassed to own one. Even my beloved family would ridicule me forever! I have heard no positive reactions to this awful name, and anyone who does actually like it deservs AIDS.

This does not help Nintendo's "kiddie" image.


Introducing Nintendo Wii
Revolution gets an official name.
by Matt Casamassina

April 27, 2006 - Nintendo revealed this morning that the official name of its formerly codenamed Revolution system is Nintendo Wii.

The Big N explained the decision behind the name in a statement, which we've provided below:

Introducing... Wii.

As in "we."

While the code-name Revolution expressed our direction, Wii represents the answer. Wii will break down that wall that seperates videogame players from everybody else. Wii will put people more in touch with their games... and each other. But you're probably asking: What does the name mean?

Wii sounds like "we," which emphasizes the console is for everyone. Wii can easily be remembered by people around the world, no matter what language they speak. No confusion. No need to abbreviate. Just Wii.

Wii has a distinctive "ii" spelling that symbolizes both the unique controllers and the image of people playing it. And Wii, as a name and a console, brings something revolutionary to the world of videogames that sets it apart from the crowd.

So that's Wii. But now Nintendo needs you. Because it's really not about you or me. It's about Wii. And together, Wii will change everything.

http://revolution.nintendo.com

[VinnyT]

*Cries*

Well, in the end, it's not the name it's how well it plays. I still have confidence in this system to do well.

*cries again*

[Kikoskia]

Yes, that's right VinnyT. You keep telling yourself that... :p

Honestly, no one would play a console if it was called the Super Feaseas, would they? There is a lot in a name, even if people try to say otherwise.

Once again, way for Nintendo to shoot themselves in the foot.

[janus]

Sega were always the best when it came to names. The Saturn was a cool name. The Dreamcast was a great name, and they even came up with two awesome names for the Genesis/Mega Drive!

The Nintendo Wii is just silly. Does Nintendo even expect this to sell in America. Can you imagine kids asking their parents for a Wii?

[Drixxel]

Bahh, it's not that big of a deal to me. Sure, it's not a "cool" name by any stretch, but I don't look to consoles as a status symbol. It's still a boneheaded marketing move, though..

[David J.]

Revolution was a great name, and this is awful.

[Drixxel]

Yeah, Revolution was pretty much perfect for this console. I'd completely forgotten that it was the "unofficial" name until reading this.

[Zebbe]

That statement was the most ridiculous thing I have read in a very long time.

"Wii will break down that wall that seperates videogame players from everybody else." - Mii thinks PlayStation did that 10 years ago. And can't they spell "separate"?

[Obviously]

This is the news all over the Internet today and it's just making me roll my eyes. If anything the name is bringing a lot more attention to the Revolution than it previously had.

That and I bet it'll attract the artsy Macintosh crowd. That seems to be Nintendo's target audience lately.

[Flash1087]

IT'S CRAP!

[Joe Redifer]

I bet it'll attract the artsy Macintosh crowd.

No it won't. I am a huge Apple fan and I hate the name "Wii" At least the word "iPod" requires a tongue and a set of lips to pronounce.

In the UK they call urine "wee" regularly. We call the urine from a chile "wee wee" here in the states. Therefore I agree with the Feaseas comparison. :)

Nintendo fanboys can now be called Wii-tards.

[Zebbe]

A food store here in Sweden changed their name from "Vivo" to "Vi". We had one here in my monucipality, but they put down their business in just a couple of weeks. No one liked the name! :D

[Kikoskia]

Nintendo fanboys can now be called Wii-tards.

I wouldn't say that too loud. People might here it and might adopt it as thier new catchphrase. :p

[David J.]

I wouldn't say that too loud. People might here it and might adopt it as thier new catchphrase. :p

How Verytex of them.

[videolamer]

Yesterday I posted an article on my site that suggested names for Nintendo to consider. Most or all of them are better than Wii.

"The Nintendo Revolution still lacks an official name. Nintendo will likely rename the console in May at E3, but chances are they’ll come up with a less than stellar moniker. Luckily, I am here to suggest names that are sure to be winners in the court of public opinion. Of course I’ll expect royalties.

Gamecube 2 - The most obvious and worst choice. Similar to Sony renaming the Blu Ray discs BETA Max 2.

Nintendo 540 - The new Xbox thinks it’s xtreme and in your face, but a 360 is a pretty easy move in most new extreme sports other than freestyle walking. Besides, a 360 leaves you facing the exact same direction you were prior to the move, which explains why the new Xbox is also tanking in Japan. Nintendo can show the kids that it can be more to the max than Microsoft and also hint that they’re taking gaming in a new direction with a catchy name like 540.

Nintendo Otter - Will please under water life fans and those still waiting for the Dolphin."

http://videolamer.com/index.php/187

[Drixxel]

Nintendo Otter - Will please under water life fans and those still waiting for the Dolphin
Otters are awesome. I watched a special on otters the other day. Otters are awesome.

[StRiDA CoL]

Yo, it's a corny name, and the only reason y I want to buy a "Wii" is to emulate, legally, without my CPU.

Joe Reidfier: That was a litttle mean saying someone deserves AIDS, people are dying all over the country of it.

[StRiDA CoL]

n.W.o

4

LIFE!

[j_factor]

Most consoles have shitty names. Nintendo 64? Atari Jaguar? Playstation 2? Xbox? Xbox 360? Gamecube? Super Nintendo? Atari 5200?

Only Sega consoles have ever had decent names. And maybe like, 3DO. Intellivision is marginal. And I guess Neo Geo is pretty cool sounding.

[Melf]

Don't make fun of the name.

Wispect, yo!

[Kikoskia]

I can only imagine the adverts for the Nintendo Wii. They are going to be hilarious. Children are going to take one look at them and wonder if the world has gone crazy.

Kid: But mum, I'm not allowed to say that word! You said it's naughty!
Other kid: *giggling like there's no tommorow*

[Obviously]

I was an advocate of the name "Nintendo Go" Go being 5 in Japan and this being Nintendo's fifth major console. Catchy, easy to remember, and the amount of puns are just as endless as "Wii" but not as derogatory.

[extrarice]

*sheds a tear*
I will always call it Revolution. No way I'm going into a store and asking if they have the Nintendo Wii in stock yet.
I wish this was some sort of sick late April Fool's joke...

[Hidden_Darkness]

that has to be the stupidest name they have come up with yet. when I hear the name nintendo wii, I think ..what, the yellow stuff in the toilet? thats just a rediculous name, they should have kept the name revolution, at least that didnt sound rediculously stupid like "nintendo wii" does. honestly...have they lost their minds at nintendo? I think so..

[AmyDoesn'tDouche]

The Nintendo Wii.

Yes. Wii. Pronounced "we". Look anywhere on the internet including Nintendo's own site and you will see this is not a joke. I think I would be embarrassed to purchase a Wii and embarrassed to own one. Even my beloved family would ridicule me forever! I have heard no positive reactions to this awful name, and anyone who does actually like it deservs AIDS.

This does not help Nintendo's "kiddie" image.



http://revolution.nintendo.com

I happen to think Wii is the best name in gaming. You won't want to "play Wii" or "go Wii", you'll want to "plural".

Example:

Jimmy: "Mom, me and Ted are going to plural. Is that cool?"
Mother: "Your father was an arrogant, small-dicked, asshole who will burn in hell!"
Jimmy: "Thanks mom." *runs to hook up Nintendo Wii*

Honestly. I think the Wii could end up like the Ipod in terms of recognizability and coolness. It's short, succint, silly, and endearing. It certainly works for me.

Also, nobody deserves AIDS you nazi cunt.

[Obviously]

I'm placing my bets that the slogan is going to be "Wii are the revolution."

[Joe Redifer]

I happen to think Wii is the best name in gaming. You won't want to play Wii or go Wii, you'll want to plural.

Example:

Jimmy: "Mom, me and Ted are going to plural. Is that cool?"
Mother: "Your father was an arrogant, small-dicked, asshole who will burn in hell!"
Jimmy: "Thanks mom." *runs to hook up Nintendo Wii*
This makes ZERO sense.



Also, nobody deserves AIDS you nazi cunt.

OK maybe herpes, then? Or at least massive diarrhea.

[AmyDoesn'tDouche]

This makes ZERO sense.

Read it again.



OK maybe herpes, then? Or at least massive diarrhea.

You're boring.


I'm placing my bets that the slogan is going to be "Wii are the revolution."

I'll take that bet.

My prediction, "It's time for a new beginning. It's time for a new era in digital entertainment. It's time for a new revolution. Wiiiiiiiiii."

[Joe Redifer]

Read it again.
I did. It is nonsensical, unfunny and boring.




You're boring.
Maybe to you. But I don't care what a 17 year old on an internet forum really thinks. If you find me boring, please put me on your IGNORE list. I'd be honored.

[AmyDoesn'tDouche]

I did. It is nonsensical, unfunny and boring.

I should've said, "re-read" because I put in paranthesis that might've helped with the understanding due to your last post.



Maybe to you. But I don't care what a 17 year old on an internet forum really thinks. If you find me boring, please put me on your IGNORE list. I'd be honored.

Are you really using my age to attack me? That's quite a silly thing to do. You wish to call me immature based on my age, yet you use a deadly STD as some sort of joke?

[Joe Redifer]

I never said anyone was immature or that I was mature. You are making assumptions. But by my experience teens tend to be quite emotionally charged and many of them are fanboys.

Anyway I don't see any parenthesis in any of your posts. Perhaps you mean "quotes"? Oh well. No big deal. I won't waste any more time with it or you. But if my posts piss you off, too bad. You'll just have to get used to me.

[AmyDoesn'tDouche]

I never said anyone was immature or that I was mature. You are making assumptions. But by my experience teens tend to be quite emotionally charged and many of them are fanboys.

That's a wild assumption, especially one coming from a person who just lashed out at a couple of video games not even released yet.



Anyway I don't see any parenthesis in any of your posts. Perhaps you mean "quotes"? Oh well. No big deal. I won't waste any more time with it or you. But if my posts piss you off, too bad. You'll just have to get used to me.

Oh right, quotes, excuse my poor grippage of the English language.

Oh, and please don't give yourself any credit, the fact that you think your posts have even the slightest effect on me is hillarious. I was just pointing out the stupidity and ignorance of an AIDS joke in this climate as well as your constant negativity. I mean, the only exception I take with you is the fact that you think you've actually said something of merit. To that, I vehemently disagree. Other than that, you're just a silly, ignorant, and all around angry guy.

Glad to meet you :)

[Melf]

Personal attacks are done, NOW.

Get back on topic please.

[Kikoskia]

In Joe's defence, what you did say didn't really make much sense. I failed to grasp the significance of the information provided in your analogy.

Maybe what Joe might have said about AIDs might have insulted insulted some people, but what you said in retort doesn't make it any better. Calling someone what you did isn't the epitomie of maturity really.

I'd rather we get back on topic about the name of the new nintendo console then carry on the way the current line of conversation is going. Come on, we're all here for a common purpose, our love of Sega. Let's not make rifts here. :)

EDIT: ...AAAAAND I post that way to late as Melf posts while I am typing. D'oh. >_>

[Obviously]

Seriously, if I want to read a forum full of flaming and personal attacks I'll go to GameFAQs.

[Kikoskia]

Yeah. We're all here because we love Sega. Now, I'm not asking for us all to join hands and sing in perfect peace and harmony - because that would just be plain creepy - but we are here to relax and unwind. All personal baggage is left at the pront page. :)

[AmyDoesn'tDouche]

In Joe's defence, what you did say didn't really make much sense. I failed to grasp the significance of the information provided in your analogy.>_>

Maybe what Joe might have said about AIDs might have insulted insulted some people, but what you said in retort doesn't make it any better. Calling someone what you did isn't the epitomie of maturity really.

The only reasons panties were tied was because he couldn't handle himself and decided to make things personal.

Also, I thought I had made it clear that instead of saying "Wii" people would say "plural". Cause, y'know, we.


I'd rather we get back on topic about the name of the new nintendo console then carry on the way the current line of conversation is going. Come on, we're all here for a common purpose, our love of Sega. Let's not make rifts here. :)

Unless you're Joe.

Look, I didn't want to fight anybody at all, and as far as I'm concerned, I didn't. I'm sure Joe would like to believe I did, but it's not true. I'll try to not to say anything that could potentially be viewed upon as personal attacks. I'll make an effort to try and not feel anybody uneasy.

[Chris Marsh]

The new name for the system is lame. Petition Anyone? If people older than me are being more inmature than me, that is just plain sad. People who do that remind me of some of the loonies at my school that are very inmature and unleash sick jokes (Including some very offensive remarks (That are untrue and involve some of the grossest sex jokes ever)) and should be stopped everywhere in my opinion. People just need to be nice to each other. I agree with most the the Wii is a dumb name, but someone may like the name and it is just taste. After all, it is just a name.

[j_factor]

They should've just called it the Nintendo Wank. "Why bother with Playstation, when you could have a Wank?"

[Kikoskia]

I like the play on words, but then the adverts would never be allowed to be shown before the watershed. But then again, the rate they're going with the name, maybe that's a good thing.

[Obviously]

I can't wait to play with Shigeru Miyamoto's Wii. I'll play with it all night long.

[AmyDoesn'tDouche]

I can't wait to play with Shigeru Miyamoto's Wii. I'll play with it all night long.

It's not Shigeru Miyamoto's to begin with.

[Kikoskia]

Is it just me, or doe anyone else see this becoming the next VeryTex? :p

[Obviously]

It's not Shigeru Miyamoto's to begin with.

It's just a joke. Granted it's a very bad one but that's not the point. Saying "I want to play with Nintendo's Wii" wouldn't have had the same effect.

Try not to take everything on this board so seriously man. We like to try and have fun here once in a while.

[Drixxel]

Anyone else get the feeling that Nintendo's lovey-dovey gaming philosophy and "uncool" branding are a passive-agressive "fuck you" to their naysayers? They clearly aren't trying to win over the modern FPS-loving, blood-slurping gamer. If anything, they've encouraged further rejection from this gaming sect, but this is seemingly exactly what Nintendo wants.

Or... they're completely clueless, but how could a gaming giant like Nintendo with the history they have be so naive after all this time?

[Obviously]

Nintendo has a niche audience. I don't blame it for not trying to make itself a carbon copy of Sony and Microsoft just so people will stop calling it "kiddy'. We already have two systems that play the type of games you'd find on a Sony and a Microsoft system, is there really room for a third anyway?

Nintendo caters to its audience and not the nay sayers, though a lot of Nintendo fans seem to hate the name it's not going to stop them from buying it. I've had a few surprises with Nintendo over the past generation. When they turned Metroid into a first person game I thought I'd have to kill them but Metroid Prime ended up my all time favorite in the series. I initially thought the DS was the worst idea in the history of video games but now it's perhaps my favorite handheld to date. Nintendo's just trying to find a way to be different than the competition, as I said before they seem to be changing into the Apple of video games.

Nintendo can go off and do more crazy things if they'd like, if they make something completely different that's good, it's usually really good (DS) although at the same time when they make something completely different that's bad, it's usually really bad (Virtual Boy), so we'll see which category the Wii falls under.

[j_factor]

Anyone else get the feeling that Nintendo's lovey-dovey gaming philosophy and "uncool" branding are a passive-agressive "fuck you" to their naysayers? They clearly aren't trying to win over the modern FPS-loving, blood-slurping gamer. If anything, they've encouraged further rejection from this gaming sect, but this is seemingly exactly what Nintendo wants.

Or... they're completely clueless, but how could a gaming giant like Nintendo with the history they have be so naive after all this time?

Have you played Brain Age? 'Hardcore gamers' (for lack of a better term) love it. People who don't really play videogames love it. The people in between, the 'mainstream gamers' if you will, don't seem to.

I think Brain Age is reflective of what the Rev, er, Wii will be like. The controller is different because hardcore gamers want something fresh and new; the controller is different because non-gamers don't like the way controllers generally are. The games will be different to attract the people that current games aren't attracting; the games will be different to attract lifelong gamers tired of the same stuff.

With Gamecube, Nintendo tried to win people over from the Playstation crowd (see Resident Evil, Metroid Prime, more 'mature' oriented marketing, etc.). That was a failure for them, so now they're attempting to carve out a new crowd.

[Joe Redifer]

Hmmm, maybe Nintendo should break off from the norm and do things that are new and different like endless, tiresome sequels (Mario, Metroid, etc). :confused: If they want a new crowd, try going a generation without a Mario game. Nintendo already has their own crowd.

[Obviously]

It's just cold hard fact that Nintendo needs to keep making endless sequels of their classic titles if they want the money to keep flowing in at a steady pace for the time being because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see their first party titles have kept them alive all these years, but at the same time I think they're really moving in an interesting direction. I've seen people who'd never consider buying a video game system or those who quit video games after their younger years really enjoy some of the titles on the DS. It's kind of a generalilzation to say all Nintendo has done is create sequels to its older games though, things like Pikmin and Animal Crossing have shown up in recent years and been successful. They're testing new waters with other "anti-games" like Electroplankton and Nintendogs with mixed results. All of these things seem aimed at people who wouldn't normally play video games.

I think Nintendo is seeing the popularity of pick up and play flash games on the internet and the crowd of people new to video games that it attracts. That seems to be their secondary audience after their already fanatic fans at least as far as the DS branch of their strategy is concerned.

Except for their library Nintendo isn't catering to their fans, there wasn't a Nintendo fan out there who didn't cringe with doubt when they first saw the DS and the same goes for the Wii's incredibly strange control scheme, and of course the name Wii which is raising the ire of every Nintendo fan I've spoken to.

I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing, but like I said, they have their own niche instead of trying to be "the best" since that's caused two generations of utter failure. There's always going to be Marios, Zeldas, and Metroids though, because they wouldn't be Nintendo without them like Sega wouldn't be Sega without its own franchises.

That's the way I see it anyway, I'm interested in sitting back and seeing what happens more than I am in actually getting any of the new systems.

[Joe Redifer]

Sega wouldn't be Sega without its own franchises.

Sega's no longer Sega even with their old franchises. They are a shell of their former selves.

**goes and prays for Sega to start making good games again, believing there is still hope**

[Obviously]

Sega's no longer Sega even with their old franchises. They are a shell of their former selves.

**goes and prays for Sega to start making good games again, believing there is still hope**

I guess you got me there.

[16bitter]

It's just cold hard fact that Nintendo needs to keep making endless sequels of their classic titles if they want the money to keep flowing in at a steady pace for the time being

I just wish they'd make great, evolutionary and sometimes revolutionary sequels again.

Mario Sunshine was none of the above. As it is with almost every sequel/update to an existing franchise on Gamecube that has come from the Nintendo label.

Except GX and Prime. It's telling that Nintendo had to outsource work to a newly acquired American dev team or an old enemy to get those results -- which is another way of saying that they had to arguably separate themselves from the equation to achieve a level of quality that was expected if not mandatory for them in the past.

[16bitter]

Sega's no longer Sega even with their old franchises. They are a shell of their former selves.

Nintendo's made one pretty shitty Mario game.

Sega hasn't made a great Sonic game in over a decade.

Dreamcast was awesome, but Sega found success artistically by eschewing tried and true labels for the new. Sonic Adventure versus Jet Gring Radio rather sums that up.

Sega's always been better, on a generational level, of moving forward and redefining themslves as a brand by forgetting past franchises rather than revisiting them; it's like they bore themselves as a subject.

In an odd way, it kind of underscores how they are almost more American than Japanese.

Post-DC we have seen a good number of sequels, and that may be the problem.

And the problem may be as much about the lack of Sega-owned hardware as anything else. They previously created new franchises to characterize/personify/epitomize what their new or current system was.

But now there is no such driving pursuit or percieved need for the innovation that very often sparked brilliance.

All that talk of Sega being a software company posing as a hardware company may have missed the point altogether. It was never an either/or situation; it was aggregately and truthfully Sega -- a company that existed through the complementary nature of the two interests as balance made whole.

Today there is no yin to the yang. The company's dreams died (they never wanted to be anything other than the leading console maker), and with them so too did the imagination that gave us all those amazing software pieces.

[Obviously]

The Dreamcast was a golden age for Sega's creativity, or perhaps silver age since the Genesis was probably their gold, but at the same time creativity idn't translate into sales. This is also one of the reasons why Sega is now the self proclaimed "EA of Japan."

Pushing boundaries and being creative just caused their final system to crash and burn. It's got to be hard for them to care about quality and art when they know the latest mediocre Sonic title will outsell any original game they come up with anyway.

I think you're right, Sega doesn't have any heart left in it anymore. I'm just happy creative minds like Yuji Naka and Tetsuya Mizuguchi jumped ship to create their own development houses instead of stagnating at Sega. Sega's lost a lot of talent post Dreamcast and it really does show.

[mish]

This makes ZERO sense.

HAHAHA JOE REDIFER DOESN'T UNDERSTAND BASIC JOKES HAHAHAHAHA

[AmyDoesn'tDouche]

Have you played Brain Age? 'Hardcore gamers' (for lack of a better term) love it. People who don't really play videogames love it. The people in between, the 'mainstream gamers' if you will, don't seem to.

I think Brain Age is reflective of what the Rev, er, Wii will be like. The controller is different because hardcore gamers want something fresh and new; the controller is different because non-gamers don't like the way controllers generally are. The games will be different to attract the people that current games aren't attracting; the games will be different to attract lifelong gamers tired of the same stuff.



I don't like this statement. For one, almost all children can play with a video game controller. For two, hardcore gamers is a relative term that can apply to almost anybody. People who play FF and do nothing else until they beat it the first time through would call themselves hardcore. That doesn't equate to liking Nintendo games or Wii.

The problem is that these labels are relative and can not be applied. I can't really acknowledge the validity of your statement because of that fact.

[AmyDoesn'tDouche]

The Dreamcast was a golden age for Sega's creativity, or perhaps silver age since the Genesis was probably their gold, but at the same time creativity idn't translate into sales. This is also one of the reasons why Sega is now the self proclaimed "EA of Japan."

Pushing boundaries and being creative just caused their final system to crash and burn. It's got to be hard for them to care about quality and art when they know the latest mediocre Sonic title will outsell any original game they come up with anyway.

I think you're right, Sega doesn't have any heart left in it anymore. I'm just happy creative minds like Yuji Naka and Tetsuya Mizuguchi jumped ship to create their own development houses instead of stagnating at Sega. Sega's lost a lot of talent post Dreamcast and it really does show.

I have a few questions about your statement. First, you state that Sega's creativity didn't net sales. Then you say they are the, "EA of Japan" which means sales over creativity. Can you link these together or is it an err statement?

About creativity: Again, relative. The dreamcast had a host of creative titles as did the Genesis and the Saturn. To call it any more creative than the other two is a reach. I do agree that pushing out a Sonic title regardless of quality has been Sega's mantra. But in fairness, the last two Sonic games were both attempts that sounded like they could be good on paper. The execution was horrible, however.

About the creative minds: Games are a collaborative process. If you think Naka or Miziguchi are the equivalent of a movie director then you are woefully mistaken. Also, Naka hasn't done anything of value since the original Sonic the Hedgehog. He blocked Sonic Xtreme and did nothing to help Sega but himself it appeared.

You give these "creative minds" too much credit for their own good. Also, if Sega's stagnation means games like Yakuza and Psy-Phi. Then I wholeheartedly support their "stagnation".

[Obviously]

I didn't say Sega was "EA of Japan" Sega called themeselves the "EA of Japan" when they were questioned about their current direction. They want to become Japan's premiere 3rd party developer.


Naka hasn't done anything of value since the original Sonic the Hedgehog. He blocked Sonic Xtreme and did nothing to help Sega but himself it appeared.

Naka's more proud of NiGHTS than he is of Sonic really. He didn't block Sonic X-Treme either, he just refused to allow them to use the NiGHTS engine to develop the game and Sega of America cancelled it because they consumed a lot of time and had a lot of trouble developing X-Treme from the ground up. The felt it would be better for everyone involved if they stopped the project. Naka played a part in X-Treme being cancelled in this sense but he at no time said he didn't want the game being made. He was only co-creator of Sonic and really had no creative control over the character. There's a really interesting interview at Sonic CulT about this mess, I posted a link to it on this forum once before.

On the other hand I'm a big fan of Mizuguchi's efforts since the Space Channel 5 games and Rez. I've never been a big puzzle game fan but I've had a blast with both Lumines and Meteos which he worked on after leaving Sega. He's got an interesting abstract style and works a lot of music into his games, I really like his work and he's a lot more hands-on than someone like Naka is, especially at his new company.

And you're right, games are a colaborative process, I don't equate directors of video games with directors of movies. Some of Sega's development teams had great chemistry like the old Sonic Team and United Game Artists but after the Dreamcast they broke apart several of their old teams including UGA.

[mish]

I don't understand why gamers have such a hard idea with the concept that the Nintendo Wii isn't being marketed towards them. Yes, we know you don't like the remote control-thing. We know you're not a big fan of affordability if it cuts into capability. We all understand that you think the name 'Wii' is, like, super gay. Thing is, it does't matter! Nintendo isn't trying to sell anything to you.

If the Wii isn't succesfull, I'll eat both my shoes. If it is, I think all you guys should start to consider that MAYBE a multimillion dollar multinational corporation like Nintendo MIGHT know a little more about the market than you do.

[j_factor]

I don't like this statement. For one, almost all children can play with a video game controller.

Almost anybody can play with a videogame controller, but lots of people don't. Also I'm mainly talking about adults, not children. A lot of people who are otherwise unopposed to console gaming simply don't like the way console controllers are, and avoid consoles (or gaming in general) because of it (and other reasons). Nintendo is trying to attract these people. These are the same sort of people that might have gotten hooked on arcade DDR when it was in its prime, but never had a Playstation at home; the same sort that will play an online java game or something, but not have a console or gaming pc.


For two, hardcore gamers is a relative term that can apply to almost anybody. People who play FF and do nothing else until they beat it the first time through would call themselves hardcore. That doesn't equate to liking Nintendo games or Wii. The problem is that these labels are relative and can not be applied. I can't really acknowledge the validity of your statement because of that fact.

I set these terms in quotes for a reason. To read anything into the use of these labels is to miss the meaning of my post.

[Joe Redifer]

HAHAHA JOE REDIFER DOESN'T UNDERSTAND BASIC JOKES HAHAHAHAHA
Ummm... OK. :roll:

[Elusive]

Naka's more proud of NiGHTS than he is of Sonic really. He didn't block Sonic X-Treme either, he just refused to allow them to use the NiGHTS engine to develop the game and Sega of America cancelled it because they consumed a lot of time and had a lot of trouble developing X-Treme from the ground up. The felt it would be better for everyone involved if they stopped the project. Naka played a part in X-Treme being cancelled in this sense but he at no time said he didn't want the game being made. He was only co-creator of Sonic and really had no creative control over the character. There's a really interesting interview at Sonic CulT about this mess, I posted a link to it on this forum once before.

I think Naka only had control over Sonic in how his attributes would translate to gameplay for the original Sonic game - it was his vet that cut out the original 'rabbit' design that would pick up and throw blocks, for example. Can you really blame him for favouring NiGHTS, his pet project he oversaw from start to finish, over a character he really had little interest in? And, once you found out someone else was using the backbone of your pet project for a project of their own, wouldn't you be peeved? 'Hey, I worked hard on that! What's the deal, mister?'


Oh yeah, Nintendo. I don't really care, as the Wii doesn't interest me. In the end, the games matter. Not how innovative the controller is, not who is most likely to play the games, not the name. Unless they turn around at the last millisecond and say 'haha it was a joke all along all the machine does is punch you in the head and it's called Nintendo Hallucino-Vision because the console interacting with the player is what it's all about really', in which case I'll buy one out of principle.

[16bitter]

Oh yeah, Nintendo. I don't really care, as the Wii doesn't interest me. In the end, the games matter. Not how innovative the controller is,

Um, the controller is what will define the games.

[16bitter]

If the Wii isn't succesfull, I'll eat both my shoes. If it is, I think all you guys should start to consider that MAYBE a multimillion dollar multinational corporation like Nintendo MIGHT know a little more about the market than you do.

Multibillion dollar corporation's more like it.

And if it was as simple as you say for such a company to achieve it's ideal outline, then the irony is that the Wii very well might never have seen the light of day -- i.e. it exists in response to Nintendo's past mistakes and loss of market.

Hell, under your outline, where's my next-gen Sega console?

[AmyDoesn'tDouche]

I didn't say Sega was "EA of Japan" Sega called themeselves the "EA of Japan" when they were questioned about their current direction. They want to become Japan's premiere 3rd party developer..

That really is a blow to my loyalty. I consider EA the vermin of the game industry, and for Sega to compare or aspire to in a positive light really makes me want to stop pressing buttons.



Naka's more proud of NiGHTS than he is of Sonic really. He didn't block Sonic X-Treme either, he just refused to allow them to use the NiGHTS engine to develop the game and Sega of America cancelled it because they consumed a lot of time and had a lot of trouble developing X-Treme from the ground up. The felt it would be better for everyone involved if they stopped the project. Naka played a part in X-Treme being cancelled in this sense but he at no time said he didn't want the game being made. He was only co-creator of Sonic and really had no creative control over the character. There's a really interesting interview at Sonic CulT about this mess, I posted a link to it on this forum once before...

Interesting. That's about as much as I knew. I guess I was just fed up with Yuji Naka = Sonic when that's far from the truth.


On the other hand I'm a big fan of Mizuguchi's efforts since the Space Channel 5 games and Rez. I've never been a big puzzle game fan but I've had a blast with both Lumines and Meteos which he worked on after leaving Sega. He's got an interesting abstract style and works a lot of music into his games, I really like his work and he's a lot more hands-on than someone like Naka is, especially at his new company....

I don't deny that the man has skillz. I just deny that his total whole is somehow a superior being in gaming. Also, I tend to think several of his games are overrated. I have two (rez and meteos) and I do not enjoy them. I also don't think that making the man out to be a god and then him leaving because of Sega's inferiority is appropriate or true.

Your contention that he left Sega because of Stagnation I vehemently disagree with. While that may have played a part subjectively, stating that objectively is going to get challenged.


And you're right, games are a colaborative process, I don't equate directors of video games with directors of movies. Some of Sega's development teams had great chemistry like the old Sonic Team and United Game Artists but after the Dreamcast they broke apart several of their old teams including UGA.

I just know that it's a much more collaborative process. Think about how many designers. There is the game director (the big name), the game designer, the level designer. Omitting those, I've heard stories about people who've designed layouts for spell systems having a say in the creative process.

That's why I hate it when Miyamoto, Naka, Miziguchi and all these other guys get full credit with the next zelda or rez comes out. It's annoying and partially untrue.

[Obviously]

I doubt we'll see another Rez though it'd be nice.

Anyway I'm not making him out to be a god, I just really enjoy his style of games. I didn't say you should enjoy them or everyone should enjoy them, I said that I enjoy them.

He left Sega primarily because they broke up UGA during their post Dreamcast restructuring. Most UGA employees that stayed on board work with Sonic Team now and I think that's a testament to how vision and direction effects the kinds of games that developers ultimately churn out.

I agree with you about Miyamoto, he hardly does anything but pose as a figure head. I have nothing but respect for what he's done but really he's as much of a mascot for Nintendo now as Mario is. He doesn't have nearly the same involvement in the game making process as he did back when he was one of the people pioneering it.

[Elusive]

I doubt we'll see another Rez though it'd be nice.


I agree with you about Miyamoto, he hardly does anything but pose as a figure head. I have nothing but respect for what he's done but really he's as much of a mascot for Nintendo now as Mario is. He doesn't have nearly the same involvement in the game making process as he did back when he was one of the people pioneering it.

I'd honestly rather keep Rez as a one-off. It really isn't sequel material - all you can do is add shinier visuals and technoier (hah) music. It's repetitive, but it's a short, punchy game that wouldn't feel right stretched out to another game.

I like how Naka is still an active programmer. He knows what he's good at and how to go about it, I guess.


Um, the controller is what will define the games.

My point was that it's all very well having a wiimote you can swing around and wave. How well it translates to having fun is what matters - to use a bad example, it's all well and good having a supercharged Ferrari engine in your car, but if you can't drive the thing at high speeds then it's pretty pointless if you'll get the same results from a standard 1.4-litre engine.

[Obviously]

Nice avatar Elusive.

[AmyDoesn'tDouche]

A sequel to Rez would be a gigantic mistake. I believe that certain things can be borrowed from it (the music that translates the way you play, the vibrator) but to make Rez 2 would be a disaster.

Furthermore, the talented Miziguchi is currently in cahoots with a Dynasty Warriors esque game. I'm not impressed.

[j_factor]

Rez 2 was one of the games UGA was working on when they were disbanded. I think it could've worked out really well. I'm sure it wouldn't have been the same as Rez but with different levels; they would've gone in a new direction.

In any case, I think Mizuguchi's new PSP game looks really cool. I may have to buy a PSP if good games come out on it.

[Obviously]

The PSP game, "Every Extend Extra," is actually a complete remake of the freeware game "Every Extend." You can go download the original game which is pretty fun but it's only two levels.

Mizuguchi was apparently so impressed with the concept he wanted to make a commercial version of the game. "Every Extend Extra" looks like it's going to incorporate the music into the gameplay somehow as is standard with titles he directs.

I'm feeling kind of lukewarm about the title at this point. I'd like to play it but I'm not going to run out and buy it right away.

[AmyDoesn'tDouche]

Rez 2 was one of the games UGA was working on when they were disbanded. I think it could've worked out really well. I'm sure it wouldn't have been the same as Rez but with different levels; they would've gone in a new direction..

To me, that's nothing but disaster.


In any case, I think Mizuguchi's new PSP game looks really cool. I may have to buy a PSP if good games come out on it.

I'm not a handheld gamer, but I would buy a DS instead of a PSP because of the superior software.

[mish]

And if it was as simple as you say for such a company to achieve it's ideal outline...
I don't mean to suggest that. I'm just saying that someone should think try to imagine what would make a 'multibillion dollar corpoation' do something before they start calling decisions 'stupid' and 'mega-GEH.'


Ummm... OK. :roll:
HAHAHAHA JOE REDIFER IS REALLY GOOD AT MAKING COMEBACKS!!!

[Obviously]

HAHAHAHA JOE REDIFER IS REALLY GOOD AT MAKING COMEBACKS!!!

What the heck man?

[ary incorparated]

[QUOTE=StRiDA CoL]Yo, it's a corny name, and the only reason y I want to buy a "Wii" is to emulate, legally, without my CPU.

Joe Reidfier: That was a litttle mean saying someone deserves AIDS, people are dying all over the country of it.[/QUOTE

Its only been written i think its funny since you spelled its name like a bugs bunny,Joe reidifier= joe redifier.And those things are laughable keeps the forum warm and its only a expression hahahahaha there are much dirtyer words in the world so what the problem since its only the word on board and not made as its fact,im loud mouthed and say those words all the time when losing from a game or something only i dont have tourette.Maybe those words have to be sencored for you since youre only 14 years old,most people here are over the 20.