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Melf
07-14-2005, 10:00 PM
We had a pretty good discussion going on at the old board, so I figured we should start it up again. I'm into movies and short series (2-3 volumes), as opposed to long series like Naruto and such. I just picked up Judge for $11, and my favorites are Baoh, Guyver, and the original Bubblegum Crisis.

Drixxel
07-15-2005, 08:48 PM
Pretty much all I watch these days in terms of anime are Miyazaki films.. the first anime I ever saw was Galaxy Train, and.. ehh, I didn't know what to think of it at the time. In the late '90s I really liked the original Slayers, and then became interested in the Gunsmith Cats manga and the subsequent 3 half-hour anime episodes (which pale in comparison to the graphic novels, sadly). It's been years since I've followed any particular series, although I have watched quite a bit of Lupin the 3rd lately. Other than that, it's mostly just the films now. Some of my favourites are Ninja Scroll, Castle In The Sky, Spirited Away (saw it in theatres.. pure awesome), Castle of Cagliostro, Akira (subbed is the only way), and maybe Tokyo Godfathers.

Melf
07-16-2005, 03:48 PM
Gunsmith Cats was pretty cool (never read the manga), but I sill haven't seen Castle of Cagliostro. Everyone speaks well of it, and I've been meaning to pick it up.

Genesis Knight
07-16-2005, 04:32 PM
I watch what I can find, as long as it isn't overly raunchy. And no, I'm not a huge mecha fan. Those shows get old reeeeeeally fast. Gundam is good, though.

Drixxel
07-17-2005, 10:50 PM
I highly recommend Castle of Cagliostro, Melf. One of my favourite movies, let alone anime.

...yeah, mecha does get stale. Still, I wish I had a giant robot..

Genesis Knight
07-18-2005, 12:12 PM
...with which to crush my many enemies. ^_^

Melf
07-21-2005, 12:23 AM
http://img.meetup.com/photos/member/a/e/e/4/member_284772.jpeg

:D

I still would like to Get Dangai-O on DVD. :(

Mel
07-21-2005, 05:39 PM
I watch plenty of anime. I'm a huge fan of Neon Genesis Evangelion. I gotta install the region switch on my saturn soon to fill that hunger....

j_factor
07-21-2005, 11:11 PM
Castle of Cagliostro is a classic.

I wouldn't say I'm a fan of anime, but I don't dislike it either. Some of it's good, some isn't, just like everything else.

My favorite anime stuff is Cowboy Bebop anything, Lupin anything, Please Save My Earth, Urusei Yatsura, Spirited Away, and Porco Rosso (Crimson Pig).

Drixxel
07-23-2005, 12:32 PM
Porco Rosso.. I've wanted to see that for quite some time. I was planning to buy the Disney rerelease a few months ago, but that very week the stores around here jacked up the price to around $35 Canadian and that did a fine job of scaring me away. Profiteering heathens..!

Maybe I'll just rent it. Yeah.. that could work.

NintendoDieScreaming
07-30-2005, 07:06 PM
I was into anime for a good while around 8th Grade. However, I discovered that all I really like are Hayao Miyazaki movies. The man is astounding. In my opinion, the only filmmakers that have him beat are Stanley Kubrick and Quentin Tarantino.

StRiDA CoL
08-15-2005, 12:41 PM
Has anyone seen Fist of the North Star?

cause it sounds like a cool anime series

anyway I hat to admit it but one of my fav anime series is DragonBall

Mel
08-15-2005, 12:46 PM
I'm going to start watching gundam x, soon. I haven't found much anime i really like lately.

I liked gundam seed, but the english dub really sucked.

I loved cowboy bebop, nothing like it since.

I also found Nadesico to be hilarious. I'd like to get ahold of the movie, so I can see what happens to all the characters.

Vicman
08-15-2005, 11:27 PM
Liked Cowboy Bebop? Checkout Samurai Champloo. Very slick and stylish with lots of action and cool/interesting characters.

As for my interest in anime I enjoy good art , characters, and stories irregardless of format. However, character development is a big issue to me and my tastes.

I've enjoyed anime since 1995, and spent 2 years (fall 2002-spring 2004) as president of a college anime club. I built that small club, that averaged less than 10 ppl per meeting in a small room & had less than 150 items in it's library, into one that had over 80 members, watched anime in a 250 seat theater, and had about 800 items in it's library when I stepped down. It was alot of work, and quite time consuming, but I was very proud with what I did with the club.

Personally I rarely ever watch anything dubbed and used to download alot of anime that would get digi-subbed just days after it aired in Japan. The last year & 1/2 I haven't watched much because I got burnt out on anime the year before running the club. Nonetheless I do have my favorites and they are: Slam Dunk, Hajime no Ippo, Berserk, Golden Boy, Great Teacher Onizuka, most works by Satoshi Kon, and I really used to enjoy Rurouni Kenshin back in the day.

These days I'm much more interested in Japanese Historical TV Drama's & Asian/Japanese movies. The last asian flick I saw was "The Hidden Blade", a great movie, and I'm eagerly anticipating watching "Year One in the North" with a proper english sub. :cool:

Melf
08-15-2005, 11:39 PM
Has anyone seen Fist of the North Star?

cause it sounds like a cool anime series

I would love to finally get the original movie on DVD. Every copy I've seen on eBay goes for an arm and a leg. :(

Sega Uranus
08-16-2005, 11:27 AM
My Favorite anime I have seen was Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi, because it is just so goofy, funny, and perverted. The art is mostly high quality, and has an intresting flair, and presintation. I also like FLCL, Lupin the 3rd, Read or Die, and while it dosn't really count, KILL BILL vol.1&2 are the best action movies I have ever seen, next to Raiders of the Lost Ark, which is the BEST MOVIE EVER! I'm not into anime that much though, but my friend, now she knows some good ones!

David J.
08-22-2005, 11:51 AM
I'm a fan, but not a real giant one. I download quite a bit, but never watch most of it.

Nazza
05-31-2006, 04:52 AM
I watched mostly the anime on Adult Swim that was on a few years ago, like Cowboy Bebop, BGC 2040, Trigun and Tenchi Muyo. Nowadays the only anime AU Cartoon Network shows (barring 4Kids translations) is Full Metal Alchemist which I don't watch.

lemmy_kilmister
05-31-2006, 03:09 PM
Yeah, I enjoy anime. I'm mostly only into the classic late '70s, '80s, and ultra violent stuff, though I admit I enjoy Naruto. Some of my favorites series and movies include:

Berserk
Record of Lodoss War
Devilman
Violence Jack
Black Jack
Lupin the 3rd
The Hakkenden
Urotsukidoji (yeah, I know.. hentai. But it's awesome. Besides, it's a Testament song)
Ninja Scroll
Ronin Warriors
Wrath of the Ninja

Elusive
05-31-2006, 06:07 PM
I'm not really a fan. One of my friends got me briefly hooked on Azumanga Daioh, though, but from what I've heard that's pretty much the 'entry drug' of anime. There's no way I'm falling down that rabbit hole ok :I

Cataulin
06-01-2006, 01:28 PM
If theres one show to watch that started to be subbed. Its Jyu Oh Sei. thats show is some hot shit.

Now go and download it.

Obviously
06-01-2006, 01:50 PM
I'm more of a mecha fan than I am an anime fan in general, and I'm more into super robots as opposed to the real robot genre created by Gundam.

I have a thing for the cheesy over the top action and some modern remakes like Getter Robo Armageddon and New Getter Robo and Mazinkaiser and so on and so forth are really awesome because I like watching the corny old super robot shows and the modern versions really do an awesome job bringing the classics up to date. I'll watch Gundam as well though and Robotech/Macross is what got me into anime probably, other than Speed Racer and the New Adventures of Gigantor.

I don't know, I could just never get into anime that tries to take itself too seriously and Miyazaki films just plain bore me. I can appreciate their genius but I can't get behind them.

Just give me shallow, unbelievable action and a lot of fun and giant robots and I'll enjoy it. I'm simple like that, I like to be entertained more than challenged so I stay away from a lot of series and I also like to watch movies and shorter OVA's than full shows because I don't have the time for that.

Genesis Knight
06-01-2006, 08:23 PM
I've been watching Neon Genesis Evangelion and Cowboy Bebop lately. Bebop deserves all the praise it can get - the production values are so high, and it has none of the corny, lame moments you find in so many other animes.

Evangelion, however, has thrown me for a loop. I'm on episode 15 and so far I see nothing that should merit acclaim as the 'best anime ever'. It seems like just another largely silly mecha title, with some admittedly awesome mecha designs that beat Gundam into the dirt.

Obviously
06-01-2006, 10:32 PM
Cowboy Bebop was a real work of art. It avoided all the anime cliches and it has such a jazzy sense of cool, like the 70's being replayed in outer-space.

A few episodes later in Evangelion, the whole thing just takes a steep nose-dive into "whatthehellisgoingonville?!" A lot of people claim this all to be deep and symbolic but it's really nonsense in my opinion and the writer admitted he was depressed at the time. I didn't care for the show at all and I like to think of myself as a huge giant robot fan (but yes the EVA's are cool looking indeed). People have been telling me Rah Xephon is better but if anything is compared to Evangelion I stay away from it like the plague.

I really liked Big-O however. It's the only giant robot show with symbolism and mystery that I could really get behind. I love the art style and the mature and intelligent main character who's a great break from the loud and obnoxious classic super robot pilots or the angsty and whiney brat real robot pilots. The Western influenced art style is also flipping awesome in my book. It's really unique but unfortunately Japan didn't love the show as much as its American audience. I've been meaning to watch Big-O again and catch what I missed last time.

David J.
06-01-2006, 10:53 PM
I'm a bigger fan of Tokusatsu than anime. I adore Kamen Rider.

Obviously
06-01-2006, 11:08 PM
Since Tokusatsu and super robot anime go hand-in-hand almost, I too really enjoy it. Part of the reason I love Viewtiful Joe is the slew of references few people get.

Melf
06-01-2006, 11:39 PM
This reminds me, I still have a ton of anime I got off of ADV's last sale that I have to watch. Summer's as good a time as any!

David J.
06-01-2006, 11:55 PM
I have a lot of Tokusatsu I need to watch also. Damn!

I'm looking at buying offical Toei DVD's of many Super Sentai shows when they hit DVD, but I'd have to hack up a ton of plasma just for one volume. One of thos shows that I plan on buying I watched dubbed in portugese, and in what seemed like 20th generation VHS.

Cataulin
06-02-2006, 07:06 PM
I'm more of a mecha fan than I am an anime fan in general, and I'm more into super robots as opposed to the real robot genre created by Gundam.

I have a thing for the cheesy over the top action and some modern remakes like Getter Robo Armageddon and New Getter Robo and Mazinkaiser and so on and so forth are really awesome because I like watching the corny old super robot shows and the modern versions really do an awesome job bringing the classics up to date. I'll watch Gundam as well though and Robotech/Macross is what got me into anime probably, other than Speed Racer and the New Adventures of Gigantor.

I don't know, I could just never get into anime that tries to take itself too seriously and Miyazaki films just plain bore me. I can appreciate their genius but I can't get behind them.

Just give me shallow, unbelievable action and a lot of fun and giant robots and I'll enjoy it. I'm simple like that, I like to be entertained more than challenged so I stay away from a lot of series and I also like to watch movies and shorter OVA's than full shows because I don't have the time for that.


Mecha is a sub genre of anime. so what your really saying is that you like anime. :confused:

Genesis Knight
06-02-2006, 08:27 PM
Big O did rock the house. Even if there was nothing more to Big O than the theme music, it'd still rock. "Cast in the name of God, ye not guilty! We have come to terms, Big O!"

Riiiiiiight.

Cataulin
06-03-2006, 02:16 AM
Big O did rock the house. Even if there was nothing more to Big O than the theme music, it'd still rock. "Cast in the name of God, ye not guilty! We have come to terms, Big O!"

Riiiiiiight.


DOOD thats my favorite anime ever.

Obviously
06-03-2006, 11:07 PM
Mecha is a sub genre of anime. so what your really saying is that you like anime. :confused:

Well not all Mecha is Japanese or anime, but what I meant is it's the only part of the genre that really sparks an interest in me.

Kusanagi
06-07-2006, 09:07 AM
Anime is like a lifestyle to me,
I'm a huge "ghost in the shell" fan and other cyberpunk anime like "Serial Experiments Lain"
other series I like are:

neon genesis evangelion
noir
cowboy bebop
wolfs rain
trigun
hellsing
streetfighter (especially the movies)
Hayao Miyazaki movies
bleach
naruto (till they ruined it with filler eps)
vampire hunter D
love hina
appleseed

Genesis Knight
06-11-2006, 03:45 PM
Can anyone give me their opinion on Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' On Heaven's Door before I go rent it?

kain611
06-11-2006, 05:00 PM
Is Ark considered Anime? If so that was pretty cool from the 30 minutes I watched. Thanks to DVR I can watch it later :)

Nazza
06-11-2006, 07:08 PM
Can anyone give me their opinion on Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' On Heaven's Door before I go rent it?

Is that the movie?

Cataulin
06-12-2006, 07:55 AM
Is that the movie?


Yes it is. Just think of it as a Better drawn longer episode. Like one of those three parters with Vicious.



Anyways anyone watching Higurashi no Naku Koro ni?

Excellent show. its currently at episode 9.

Genesis Knight
06-12-2006, 11:19 AM
Lil' comment about Cowboy Bebop:

I couldn't believe Spike died! I had no clue that was coming, because I foolishly thought that the movie took place *after* the series was over. What a shocking ending, at least for me.

Cataulin
06-13-2006, 07:31 AM
Lil' comment about Cowboy Bebop:

I couldn't believe Spike died! I had no clue that was coming, because I foolishly thought that the movie took place *after* the series was over. What a shocking ending, at least for me.


yeah well they did mention that only they could kill each other so it was bound to happen

Nazza
06-15-2006, 04:47 AM
I was more confused by the explanation of what it symbolised, not sure where I read it :S

Yeah the Cowboy Bebop movie was pretty cool, I liked it. Good memories.

casualmoviewatcher
06-28-2006, 11:02 PM
I usually just get to watch the anime shown on adult swim. So far my favorite has to be Cowboy Bebop and I've wanted the series on dvd for a long time, but I just haven't gotten a chance to get it yet. I did watch Samurai Champloo and I enjoyed it about as much as I enjoyed Cowboy Bebop. I watched Wolf's Rain and I like that show too, but it was a little depressing and not as fun. I like WitchHunter Robin and Fullmetal Alchemist. The only anime I'm watching now that has new episodes is Inuyasha, but it's lasted too long in my opinion. It's a decent show, but sometimes you just want to yell, "Kill Naraku already, will ya?" I'd be very interested in anybody who enjoys any of the shows that I've just mentioned if they would like to discuss them with me. Any Miyazaki fans can talk to me too. Out of the movies of his that I've seen so far I've liked most of them and I own two of them so far, Howl's Moving Castle and Spirited Away.

casualmoviewatcher
06-28-2006, 11:04 PM
Anime is like a lifestyle to me,
I'm a huge "ghost in the shell" fan and other cyberpunk anime like "Serial Experiments Lain"
other series I like are:

neon genesis evangelion
noir
cowboy bebop
wolfs rain
trigun
hellsing
streetfighter (especially the movies)
Hayao Miyazaki movies
bleach
naruto (till they ruined it with filler eps)
vampire hunter D
love hina
appleseed

I like Miyazaki movies, cowboy bebop, neon genesis evangelion, and wolf's rain. I heard that neon genesis evangelion has made a few movies. Are they any good? I haven't seen them yet and I was wondering if I should check them out?

Kagome
07-03-2006, 07:09 PM
I love Cowboy Bebop!! Does anyone like Inuyasha?:cool: :p

Genesis Knight
07-03-2006, 08:28 PM
Is Ark considered Anime? If so that was pretty cool from the 30 minutes I watched. Thanks to DVR I can watch it later

Although it definitely tries to imitate anime, I don't really think it can be considered as such.

Sega Saturn x
07-04-2006, 02:37 AM
Evangelion, however, has thrown me for a loop. I'm on episode 15 and so far I see nothing that should merit acclaim as the 'best anime ever'. It seems like just another largely silly mecha title, with some admittedly awesome mecha designs that beat Gundam into the dirt.
That's because the show is pretty trashy, I wrote a long review on it and ended up giving it a D.

I drift in and out of anime, the shows I like the most are mecha and comidies. Macross is still the best anime ever made IMHO.

Genesis Knight
07-05-2006, 10:26 AM
Did you ever read the Macross novels? Those were great.

Iron Lizard
12-19-2007, 12:09 AM
Has anyone here seen Grave of the Fireflies? I just sat through this thing and it makes me want to die. It has to be the most depressing movie I have ever seen.

George Foreman
12-19-2007, 12:26 AM
Just thought of that movie when I saw the thread title. But, yeah I ain't ever watching that movie again. I was depressed for a whole two days(high score) and was in about sixth grade or so at the time(watched it on a VHS so I may have been younger).

Ok, enough of this depressing talk. I'm gonna watch me some DuckTales!! Not pony tails or cotton tails but Duck Tales!!

Iron Lizard
12-19-2007, 12:40 AM
Man From the first like 30 seconds they really lay it it which is good its a movie about the war. Still I won't be seeing that one again anytime soon.

InternalPrimate
12-19-2007, 02:03 AM
Alright, let me start by saying that I've never really taken much of an interest in anime. I like my cartoons silly, not dark and brooding, and definitely not super-duper-cute. Still, I went through a dbz phase around seven years ago, but I've been told that Dragonball isn't at all a representation of anime.

I just finished the complete Cowboy Bebop series and film, and I absolutely loved it. Is there anything that matches its brilliance? For that matter, what is better? It seems like complete dvd series' can be found for pretty cheap online (there's an abundance of bootlegs available), and I need something new.


Added: I have to share this with someone. I just about had a joygasm.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1904/roland2xx7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Iron Lizard
12-19-2007, 02:14 AM
Almost anything by Hayao Miyazaki is good. It is fun, insightful, and usually very silly.Spirited away and Totoro are good if you like silly. There is tons of good stuff out there. I always loved the Macross series but that will probable spark an overrated/not overrated debate.

InternalPrimate
12-19-2007, 02:30 AM
I read somewhere that Macross Plus: The Movie is about as good as it gets. I'll definitely check it out.

Flash1087
12-19-2007, 03:11 AM
Big O. Don't think about it, just watch it.

Oh, and anything Lupin the III.

Rusty Venture
12-19-2007, 04:04 AM
You want your anime silly? Two words.

EXCEL SAGA

The English dub is simply the best.

P.S. Don't even think of watching its pseudo-sequel "Puni Puni Poemi" until you have cut your teeth on ES. I was fresh off of "Excel" and PPP was still a lot to take in on the first viewing.

Zebbe
12-19-2007, 04:37 AM
Naruto is a great series. Unfortunately, they had around one year of filler episodes that were made so the anime didn't catch up with the manga, but the regular story, characters and all battles are awesome.

playgen
12-19-2007, 04:50 AM
I loved One Piece - the original Japanese ones. You can download fansub episodes with English off the net. What I've watched of Naruto was great too.

Sega Uranus
12-19-2007, 07:34 AM
You want silly? Abenobashi.

Genesis Knight
12-19-2007, 08:25 AM
I saw it, definitely not my style. I'm all for grittiness and a bit of depression, but I prefer some hope at the end.

Genesis Knight
12-19-2007, 08:35 AM
Okay, well, if we go with Cowboy Bebop as the anime that fits you best and take it from there, then I give you...

- Samurai Champloo. I know, I know, it's by the same director as Bebop, but that's not why I'm recommending it. I suggest this series because it has phenomenal production values, is a joy to watch in English or Japanese, and has a marvelous adventuresome, quirky spirit just like Bebop. This would be what I would STRONGLY recommend as your next anime. It's fantastic.

Personally I think Miyazaki's stuff is overrated and boring as a general rule - he does the nature theme ad nauseum.

You heard right - Macross Plus is fantastic, although the Macross Zero miniseries has it for sheer dogfight intensity. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilOT3ljGw_U)

Naruto and One-Piece are (to an extent, along with Yu Yu Hakusho), spiritual successors of DBZ. Personally, DBZ is only watchable now thanks to nostalgia, so I pass on all of these series.

Big O is good, definitely different style. Feels very Western. The plot is good and it's got a great vibe, but it's subject to that anime peculiarity where nobody finished their sentences during confusing plot points, meaning that much of the meaty stuff turns out to be empty and vague...

Just my opinions.

kylera
12-19-2007, 10:17 AM
And if you like your anime infused with lots and lots of music, Macross and Macross 7 are top picks. If you've watched Robotech (at least the first season), you'll think you recognize Macross, but the storylines have its divergences here and there.

Genesis Knight
12-19-2007, 11:02 AM
Well yeah - Robotech is entirely different from Macross - it's several Japanese series combined with entirely new scripting, etc., with only very tentative ties to the original Japanese Macross.

Iron Lizard
12-19-2007, 12:27 PM
One of my all time favorites and I'll know i'll get shit for it is Macross : Do you remember love which is like half of the frst Macross series condnensed and put into a movie with a bastardized story line.

Iron Lizard
12-19-2007, 12:30 PM
It set my wife off last night. It put her in a bad mood. It is amazing how some people canreact to a movie.

InternalPrimate
12-19-2007, 01:40 PM
Thanks for the advice guys. So far, I've decided to go with Samurai Champloo (when starting this thread I was praying for someone to make a suggestion like this) and Macross Plus. Should I get in to the original Macross before Plus though?

One more question. A friend (who has very different taste than me) suggested Neon Genesis Evangelion and Trigun. I'm a little hesitant to go with these because he once suggested Outlaw Star. Which wasn't terrible... but it wasn't great either.

Genesis Knight
12-19-2007, 02:11 PM
You sound like your tastes are fairly similar to mine. I too thought Outlaw Star was pretty blah. So I'll give the other shows a go... Trigun was actually pretty good. I liked it a lot - it was fun, pretty well written, GREAT characters, and a rather rousing finish. I would give that one a green light for you.

Evangelion is over-over-over-over-OVER rated. The visual presentation is great, but the writing and plot are horrifically tangled. If you like knowing what's going on, you'll hate this show. It starts out awesome but halfway in it falls apart and ends up a massive train wreck at the end. They try to be philosophical and thoughtful but they end up spouting banal trash that makes no sense. And it has a lame ending as well.

(By the way, keep in mind that Plus has basically zilch to do with the original Macross. So you can watch it standalone.)

ThunderForce
12-19-2007, 06:51 PM
Evangelion is not the greatest series ever (in my opinion).

Trigun was pretty fun.

If you want to watch the first Macross series, ADV Films redub the whole original series (the dub was pretty good) and you can buy the whole DVDs from various places. If you want it that bad I can sell the whole series to you for a good rate.

But for a real anime, you can only download it because it never had a DVD release in America: Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

110 episodes of the best storytelling in any Anime I watch in my life (and I've been watching for years). The series is the whole text novel series into an anime (and it took about 9-10 to do the whole series). If you want the best military drama with some of the best stories of human beings in an anime ever, you own it to yourself to watch it.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1786

For more information.

Once again you can only get the fansub of the series if you want to watch it in English.

Genesis Knight
12-20-2007, 08:38 AM
Hmm, thanks for the tip on Galactic Heroes, Fighter17.

AxelStone
12-20-2007, 06:10 PM
Gun grave is great, I recently also just got into Air Gear which is pretty enjoyable - I watched about 7 straight episodes in one sitting while eating a bucket of KFC with a friend, bliss.

InternalPrimate
12-21-2007, 04:37 PM
Got Samurai Champloo in the mail today. Probably the fastest I've ever received something through ebay. After watching the first episode on disc 1 (I'm ashamed to say that it is the professional looking bootleg) I'm ready to say that I love it. The style and direction all scream "Bebop", and this might be the perfect series to transition me into something new.

Good call.

Obviously
12-22-2007, 08:07 AM
It's hard to suggest something after Cowboy Bebop because it's all downhill from there.

Samurai Champloo is okay, definitely an attempt to catch lightning in a bottle a second time. I could never get into it though. I guess I just like science fiction more than feudal Japan.

The Read or Die OVA is pretty good and sort-of in the same vein, though a little bit sillier. It's only a couple episodes long, practically movie length, so it's good if you want something quick. There's a TV series too but I can't really recommend it.

I also love the hell out of the Getter Robo OVAs, Getter Robo Armageddon and New Getter Robo, but you can tell by my avatar that I'm a bit of a nut for classic super robot anime.

If you like Bebop I'd try Outlaw Star next like somebody already said. It's not as good as Bebop but it's a lot of fun. Big O is also really classy with a film noir style and neat, western animation inspired art-design. It's confusing, but the characters and action more than make up for the convoluted plot that you need to watch more than once to pick up everything.

Genesis Knight
12-22-2007, 08:14 AM
Yeah, I'd agree that Bebop is almost an anime killer. It's so good you just can't enjoy inferiority anymore. Internal, can you give me the link to the item you purchased?

Dirt Ball Gamer
01-11-2008, 01:26 AM
Oh man i got one. A friend and i about a year ago were on mushrooms, and we wanted to watch some crazy animation movie, so I put in American Pop, which is this crazy Ralph Bakshi animation movie. I completely forgot how utterly depressing the movie was, just remembering it had crazy scenes with jimi hendrix and flashing colors etc. Anyway somehow we watched the whole movie, but it just filled us with dred and loathing. It completely destroyed my mood. Just thinking about that movie now makes me want to blow my brains out. Nice animation though, I guess. I will never watch it again however. To get out of the funk that movie put us in we had to go for a walk and vandalize city property. That was fun.

VinnyT
01-12-2008, 11:37 AM
JUST EAT THE WATERMELON! WHY WON'T SHE EAT THE DAMN WATERMELON?!

Genesis Knight
03-28-2008, 10:56 AM
BLACK LAGOON

http://www.newtype-usa.com/media/reviews/20070606-screen-black-lagoon.jpg
http://www.genemoy.com/wp-content/blklgn06_35.jpg
http://www.anime-source.com/banzai/images/dvd_reviews/blacklagoon1/bldvd118.jpg


Okay, I dug this thread up from the grave to present what looks to be (so far at least) almost like Cowboy Bebop 2.0 in terms of quality, production values, story, characters, animation, and so on. It pretty much rocks, and you are doing yourself a disservice if you liked Bebop and don't check this out.

Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_lagoon
Official English Site: http://www.blacklagooncompany.com/
First Episode: http://www.veoh.com/videos/v96523554Bra4eY?searchId=8396231484619674797&rank=6
Just-shy-of-glowing review: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/black-lagoon/dvd-1

No bootlegs yet that I can see, but it is of course widely available on torrents, Usenet, Rapidshares, etc. I can give links on request. Now c'mon, I did the work, so reward me by giving the series a look.

"We sure picked one crazy son of a bitch. You must be insane. But this is exciting...and being exciting is very important, Rock."
"My head's not torn off. And my sunglasses aren't broken. Amen, hallelujah, peanut butter."

Metal_Sonic
03-28-2008, 11:29 AM
I suggest Code Geass and Gurren Lagann

Nunzio
03-28-2008, 11:51 AM
I'm gonna take heat for this but here goes:

Ninja Scroll, Death Note (anime of the decade so far), Fist of the North Star, Sol Bianca 1 & 2 (not Legacy), Generator Gawl, Trigun (very funny), Riki Oh Wall of Hell and Space Runaway Ideon.

InternalPrimate
12-20-2008, 08:18 PM
Yeah, I'd agree that Bebop is almost an anime killer. It's so good you just can't enjoy inferiority anymore. Internal, can you give me the link to the item you purchased?


I can't believe I missed this way back! Genesis Knight, I bought the set here (http://cgi.ebay.com/Samurai-Champloo-TV-Series-Complete-Box-Set-1-26-Eng_W0QQitemZ220332882918QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item220332882918&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50)

Like I originally said, it's a bootleg, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't love it. And I'll definitely check out some of the anime recommended in 2008 :D

Ooooooh, and here's a bootleg/complete set (http://cgi.ebay.com/Black-Lagoon-Season-1-One-Complete-Box-Set-DVD-anime_W0QQitemZ270316645794QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_D VD_HD_DVD_Blu_ray?hash=item270316645794&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50) for Black Lagoon

ceibant
12-20-2008, 09:01 PM
Ok, I'm no anime buff or nothing, but Berserk and Ronin Warriors are 2 of the coolest animes I've seen.

Ghaleon
12-20-2008, 09:15 PM
If you haven't gotten around to it yet and you've been catching other anime, consider following Rusty Venture's advice and checking out Excel Saga: it's silly, funny, and you'll be better prepared to appreciate it now since it constantly parodies lots of other anime and related Japanese stuff. But watch it in Japanese w/ subtitles--English dubs of anime are painful, especially this one. Puni Puni Poemi is a nice follow-up bonus if you like Excel Saga.

Rodger
12-20-2008, 11:07 PM
Big O: Was very happy when the second season was released. Great series, excellent music, and wonderful story. My only gripe with the series (and it's a strange one) is that it didn't have to be a giant robot show. It might have been more interesting as a straightforward detective show...

Boogiepop Phantom: I know you said no dark titles, but this one is just too good to pass up. Very intricate storyline told through a 12 episode series and it all adds up to one amazing series. The best anime I've ever seen. Based on a series of novels, of which a few have already been translated into English.

5 Centimeters Per Second: Lovely film told in three parts about love, loss, and distance. Looks absolutely stunning when you play it on an HD-TV.

Genshiken: An anime about an anime club. Very funny. The original manga is also brilliant and available in english.

those are probably some of my top choices....

MN12BIRD
12-20-2008, 11:35 PM
I'm the same way I never really got into all the Anime but I did watch DBZ for awhile with my friends in HS and then I found some really good movies.

Akira - Made in the late 80's considered some of the best all traditional hand animation of the time, sci-fi in a post apocalyptic post Nuclear Japan, just a fucked up movie! Rated R.

Princess Mononoke - This one takes place in an ancient Japan. Themes of human greed and lack of care for mother earth or respect for the Gods are the key element. Huge cast of big American actors did the English voice over. Rated R.

Spirted Away - Made by the same Japanese dude as Mononke but this one was brought over here by Disney. Disney did the English voice over and like Mononoke the English voice over is really well done. This one is rated PG but still has some deep inner morals touching on Human greed. Amazing animation on this one. Many would look at this one and see a childrens movie for sure but its one of my favorite movies!

3 of my favorite animated movies and from someone who's not a big Anime fan I recommend them to you!

16-bit
12-20-2008, 11:49 PM
Some people might disagree with me, but I thought Metropolis was a very good movie, so I'll recommend that.

MN12BIRD
12-20-2008, 11:52 PM
Some people might disagree with me, but I thought Metropolis was a very good movie, so I'll recommend that.

Actually I heard that was a good movie to check out and I wanted to and then forgot all about it! Thanks for reminding me.

16-bit
12-22-2008, 12:58 AM
Actually I heard that was a good movie to check out and I wanted to and then forgot all about it! Thanks for reminding me.It's very cool IMO, but I heard that it was very different from the manga it was based off of.

Tanegashima
12-24-2008, 03:51 AM
Not much of an anime freak but I do like:

Deathnote (the ONLY anime series I've ever followed, I really enjoy it...in japanese with subtitles...I hate the dubbing...
Akira
Ghost in the Shell (original movie, never seen the show, the only reason I discovered this movie was because a character uses a firearm that I have always been interested in owning and a message board mentioned that this movie has said gun in it...)
Nausicaa (someone said since I liked Dune, I'd like this...they were right!)
Metropolis (this actually kicked some major ass)


that about sums up all the anime I've ever seen.

I just can't get into most of them, they (at least the t.v. shows) always seem to be full of convoluted never-ending story lines that only start going somewhere after I've completely lost interest.

VinnyT
12-24-2008, 04:40 PM
Thoughts on Death Note:

Seriously, what was the point of even killing off L when the Dues Ex Machina House for Orphans is TRAINING NEW "L's" ALL THE TIME! I mean, when L died I thought he just fell over to fake it, but he really died. I'm fine with that. He was cool and all, but I was interested to see how it goes.

Then suddenly he's got a Mutant Academy training children to be him. WHAT'S THE POINT? Two new kids (Who look more feminine than they need to be) competing. Who cares? It doesn't work! If L is going to die, why not have him die at the end then let Near take over? I was mistaking Mello for a girl the whole time!

And what makes it worse is after all that you KNOW there's a third note still sitting in the woods somewhere......

Still, what I really didn't like was the feeling of filler story. Sure, make it last 4-5 years so Kira really takes effect. But there was so much to read, and it was the same thing over and over!

Light: Ha ha! I'm ahead! What do you have to say to that?

L: Your right. NO WAIT HE'S NOT RIGHT CAUSE I JUST KNOW THAT'S WHY!

Light: Damn! Oh yeah, well how about this! *Punchs L in the face*

L: Your right, you can't possilbly be Kira.


L: Just kidding!

Misa: I'm naked! Stop ignoring me!

(Repeat for 6 volumes)

I get it! Light is smart! L is smart! Misa is smart then an idiot the next for no reason! Matsuda is naive! STOP REPEATING YOUR SELF!

/Rant

Spoilers btw.

Anyway, Let's see what I can go with that hasn't been mentioned....

I love Soul Eater ( aka my avatar ) It has a good story, and I LOVE the fight scenes. Some of the most creative you'll see in awhile.

If you have plenty of time, find 20th Century Boys online. It's FUCKING EPIC. Seriously.

And Princess Mononoke is one of the films that even if your not an Anime guy, will most likely become one of your favorite films ever. Amazing.

VinnyT
02-25-2009, 11:30 PM
We had three similar threads so I decided to merge them all.

Metal_Sonic
02-26-2009, 12:21 AM
So Ive been reading the JoJo's Bizzare Adventure, up until the point Jotaro defeats Dio. Pretty cool series.

Rusty Venture
02-26-2009, 01:46 AM
Did someone say Dio?

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VinnyT
02-26-2009, 12:53 PM
I've been catching up on some old series's that my buddy's been waning me to read for a couple years now, like Love Hina and Cardcaptor Sakura.

And the library I go too has a VERY limited Anime DVD section, but their manga section is bigger than most others around the area. But I still managed to grab Chobits and this other movie called The Girl Who Leaped Through Time, which was actually pretty interesting.

acdc
02-26-2009, 03:02 PM
devil men
battle angel alita how many episodes are ther from this serie
golden boy

TheEdge
02-26-2009, 03:12 PM
I used to watch a lot of anime. Haven't found anything new in a while. Is devil men worth it?

tomaitheous
02-26-2009, 09:57 PM
Ghost in the Shell (original movie, never seen the show, the only reason I discovered this movie was because a character uses a firearm that I have always been interested in owning and a message board mentioned that this movie has said gun in it...)

The show is fucking awesome. Nothing more to say about it.


Paranoia Agent was decent.



I used to watch a lot of anime. Haven't found anything new in a while. Is devil men worth it?

What was some of the last stuff you watched?

acdc
02-27-2009, 11:03 AM
I used to watch a lot of anime. Haven't found anything new in a while. Is devil men worth it?

yes it s action like fist of the north star
but then with demons and more gore
but the movie is only a houer long there are seqeuls but they real hard to find

Mustadio
02-28-2009, 11:24 PM
I am a pretty big Osamu Tezuka fan. I own every manga by him that has been brought out in English so far. I don't have much in the way of Tezuka anime though.

I also like the Giant Robo OVA, Yoshiaki Kawajiri stuff, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, G Gundam, Armored Trooper VOTOMS, the Macross franchise (still haven't seen Frontier though), and some more stuff. I don't know much about newer anime though, I usually just watch older stuff.

VinnyT
03-01-2009, 01:16 AM
My library got book 1 of Phoenix, and then nothing. It was a little annoying since I really started getting into it, then nothing to follow up on.

But it's like most of his other stuff that wasn't Astroboy went like this:

Here's some cute animals! Look at them!

BOOM! THEY'RE ALL DEAD! AND VIOLENTLY!

Here's all the main characters! Aren't they intriguing and lovable?

BOOM! THEY'RE ALL DEAD! EVEN THE WOMEN AND BABIES! SLICED IN HALF!

And at the end of the book it's like almost everything that just happened didn't matter. But I still want to read it.

Mustadio
03-01-2009, 01:37 AM
Yeah the Phoenix books (and some of his other works: MW, Ode to Kirihito, Apollo's Song, Adolf, etc) can be pretty dark at times, which is especially jarring when contrasted with Tezuka's art style - but that is why I like them so much. Phoenix is probably my favorite of the Tezuka stuff I've read - too bad Tezuka never got to finish it completely. The good thing about the Phoenix, though, is that each volume can be read stand alone pretty much (except for "Civil War" and "Sun", which are two volumes each). If you can ever find anymore Phoenix, I recommend Volumes 2 (Future), 4 (Karma), and 5 (Resurrection).

Kiba in Exile
03-01-2009, 09:49 AM
Ghibli movies, mostly.

VinnyT
03-01-2009, 04:02 PM
There's a movie based on one of the Phoenix stories, but I've never been able to locate a copy. I don't just want to Youtube it.

Rodger
03-01-2009, 06:51 PM
don't know if you guys know this, but many best buys across the US are liquidating out their anime selections. Stores with historically low sales of anime are from today until the 21st, placing all of their anime dvds on sale at 50% off. I went today, as my best buy was on the list, and sure enough, there were little signs posted in the anime section that confirmed this. The list of stores participating in this event can be found here:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=69107&pages=5&show=80#msg2823780

so, i went today and got 'the girl who leapt through time' 2-disk special edition with soundtrack for a cool 19 bucks! It was a pretty cute movie with nice visuals, though it had a few nagging plot points that needed some more focus.

anyways, hope anime fans are able to take advantage of the sale. After the sale, the stores on the list will only carry the top 20 best selling anime titles, so expect to see nothing but dbz,naruto,death note etc at those stores.

Chilly Willy
03-01-2009, 07:24 PM
Funny, I just got TGWLTT at Best Buy yesterday. :D It's a great movie, and they did a good job dubbing it (I saw the fansub when it came out). I also picked up Ghosthunt and Baccano.

16-bit
03-01-2009, 08:32 PM
I don't watch that much anime, I like the Ghibli films, as well as other films like Metropolis and Steamboy.

I haven't really been able to get into many series though, I enjoyed the first few episodes of Evangelion when I watched them a while back (three years ago), but then went and watched the rest of the series and the movie "End of Evangelion" recently and I wish I hadn't. Now I hate the entire series with a passion and still to this day fail to see how it is deep like a lot of people say it is, and I'm the type of person who does really well in interpreting literature.

This clip of Anamaniacs pretty much sums up the entire series:
(Skip to 0:42)
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Chilly Willy
03-01-2009, 09:02 PM
NGE is not something you should recommend to folks. It's more something someone should seek out if they find their tastes leaning that direction. A FAR better Gainax anime you SHOULD recommend is Fooley Cooley. It's baffling to start, but actually makes sense by the end (rather the opposite of NGE). The production values and voice acting are far better as well.

One anime series that will NEVER get licensed but shouldn't be missed is "So Long, Mr. Despair" (Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei).

VinnyT
03-01-2009, 10:30 PM
Picked up Tenchi Muyo cheap today since I missed it being on Adult Swim/Toonami years ago.

And my Best Buy isn't on that list :mad:

Mustadio
03-02-2009, 01:24 AM
There's a movie based on one of the Phoenix stories, but I've never been able to locate a copy. I don't just want to Youtube it.

A couple years ago someone sent me three Phoenix anime (I think one may be the movie you mentioned and the other two are OVAs) based on three Phoenix manga stories (Karma, Space, and Yamato - I think Karma is the movie). They are all pretty great. There is also another Phoenix movie I was able to track down called Phoenix 2772. What is interesting about it is it isn't based on any of the manga, but it was written by Tezuka. Black Jack is even in it.

And then there was a 12 episode anime series released in 2004. I haven't seen it yet so I don't know how good it is.

And finally, supposedly there is also a very old movie adaptation of Dawn (volume one) that was made back in '78, but I have never been able to find it anywhere. I'd like to see it though.

philb
03-02-2009, 07:26 AM
I like my anime whenever I get the chance to watch it.

Been watching some studio ghibli stuff recently and wouldn't mind recommendations for other good movies (kid friendly).

16-bit
03-02-2009, 01:13 PM
NGE is not something you should recommend to folks.

I think there's some misunderstanding here, I wouldn't recommend NGE to anyone, no matter what.

VinnyT
03-02-2009, 02:11 PM
EVA ( or NGE to you ) isn't bad for the first 9/10, then it just tells everyone to piss off and gets all psychological, then they made a "real" ending which still pissed everyone off.

You could stop at 21-22 and read spoilers for the rest and probably be satisfied.

Tears of Ash
03-02-2009, 02:46 PM
NGE was pretty cool when I was a teenager. The sooner I realized the imagery was just for kicks (a la Xenogears) and it wasn't really too terribly "deep", the better off I was. I loved End of Evangelion because it was just plain ridiculous. If there was any message, it was the middle finger. From what I've read, the director had "deep concepts" but just played around with them like a child plays with a new toy. It was somewhat entertaining, but you're not going to learn any life lessons from it.

Another thing that irks me is the scene where Shinji's eva is holding Kaoru, staring at him for like a minute or so. Is that supposed to be meaningful? I used to think it was setting up some sort of mood, but then I learned what kind of budget evangelion had. It was probably just to take up more time.

VinnyT
03-02-2009, 03:40 PM
Could explain Gurrenn Lagann.

VinnyT
03-11-2009, 09:05 PM
http://www.nanoda.com/public/images/news/lupin-vs-conan.jpg

Aarzak
03-11-2009, 09:21 PM
Asuka Langley Soryu is such a sexpot. Too bad her personality sucks.

KenshiroX
03-11-2009, 10:16 PM
Asuka Langley Soryu is such a sexpot. Too bad her personality sucks.

I always liked Rei better. Better still, Rei from the Angelic Days manga spinoff. They flipped her personality, so now she's a ridiculously cheerful ditz with a huge crush on Shinji.

Also, gotta love the Lupin picture above. Lupin III rocks. Here's a tribute/parody I made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12pUpmefF0Q

Kiba in Exile
03-12-2009, 01:45 PM
Obviously I like Wolf's Rain. I like Cowboy Bebop a lot. I wasn't too keen on Samurai Shamploo.

Generally, I like movies, short films, and short TV shows. I don't like to commit to long series because I prefer a clever and compact story. I don't care if it's simple as long as it's well done. But story isn't everything. It must also look beautiful and be animated well and be set in an interesting world.

Studio Ghibli's work is great. I like Makoto Shinkai's stuff. I thought The Place Promised In Our Early Days was nice.

I just saw Wonderful Days/Blue Sky recently. Not technically anime because it's Korean, but I thought it was pretty good.

Just curious, anyone know of anything similar to any of these? Not necessarily Japanese, but any animation from anywhere. Anything with a kind of philosophic story with a good point, rather than just impressive action scenes?

VinnyT
03-12-2009, 02:07 PM
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya

Kiba in Exile
03-12-2009, 04:36 PM
Hmm.. Thanks, mate.

Metal_Sonic
03-12-2009, 11:30 PM
I recently(and by recently I mean months ago) a manga called......stargirl? Some shit where it takes a young girl who finds a star shaped...thing that she should be able to control but she can't. Anyways, it starts off innocently then takes a deep turn. For the life of me I cannot remember the name.

bohokii
03-13-2009, 02:54 AM
i liked the tenchi story

outlaw star was great so was cowboy bebop i didnt much like trigun

they were all on the cartoon network

the show battle athletes was kind of entertaining

then there is ranma 1/2

starblazers,captain harlock,queen esmereldas galazy express 999

i wish i could think of more but i guess they arent that engrained in me

the miazaki films are fun like porco rosso and howls moving castle

ooh gunsmith cats is neat too

and dominion tank police

bubblegum crisis and the bubblegum crisis 2040 remake are neat

umm nope cant think of any more off hand

of course the only other ones i can think of contain tentacles

VinnyT
04-15-2009, 05:42 PM
Kiba, did you watch Haruhi yet?

And there's a new show for me to obsess over since Soul Eater finished, called K-ON. Watch it.

InternalPrimate
04-15-2009, 10:43 PM
Vinny, how good is Lupin the 3rd?

Diosoth
04-15-2009, 11:34 PM
I have to say "not really".

I like the Miyazaki movies, but they're so far separated from normal anime. They are to amost anime what Lord of the Rings is to crappy Michael Bay movies("crappy Michael Bay" is redundant).

I want to watch Haruhi, if they ever fully translate the show. Seems at leats somewhat interesting. I inherently hate watching subtitles. I can't watch the show itself if I have to read the dialog. This is why I've not dug too deep into it.

I tried to sit through Lucky Star but I can see no point of that show's existence. It's Seinfeld as an anime and I recall not liking Seinfeld or its cast very much. Lucky Star makes even LESS sense, which I'm certain involves making negative sense.

Gurenn Lagann is another anime I tried to watch but didn't "get". It's Mad Max with anime robots and a big-breasted redhead in a bikini and possibly of questionable legal age. Seemed weird to me. Like Lobo comics without the fun parts.

An ex-girlfriend was into Sailor Moon. I hate that franchise wholesale, it has no redeeming qualities.

VinnyT
04-16-2009, 03:59 AM
Haruhi is fully dubbed, and I think you can find the whole series on Youtube even, in case you don't Torrent. But watch it though, because it's simply great.

Lucky Star is good for a small anime fix when you don't have time to watch anything thing that actually means something. It's fluff.

I couldn't get into Gurren Lagann either, though I quote it freely.

And Lupin III is a classic for all the right reasons and is real easy to get into since as soon as you know the main characters it wont be hard to be able to watch the show out of order or any of the movies/OVA's out of order.

Chilly Willy
04-16-2009, 05:14 PM
I've been watching the dub of School Rumble the last few days... one of the funniest school comedies you'll find. If you don't like Lucky Star, try School Rumble instead. I like both, but I can see where Lucky Star won't appeal to some folk. School Rumble is in the same genre, but is not at all the same kind of comedy.

Bablefish
04-20-2009, 06:01 PM
I have to tell you all about this place I found out while watching Ninja Nonsense, it's called www.rightstuf.com If your in to anime it is a must to go there. They not only have DVDs, but everything else you can think of.

zetastrike
04-20-2009, 06:26 PM
I've been bitten by the anime bug. I mainly like the giant robot variety. Gundam Seed is the only anime I've seen in its entirety. I have also seen some of the original Macross. What I don't like is that most anime that's on TV is usually heavily edited/butchered so it's appropriate for kids. That pretty much forces you to buy the DVDs, unless you can stomache a sanitized version on cartoon network. They should really create a digital cable channel that shows nothing but unedited anime. That would be great.

KenshiroX
04-20-2009, 10:31 PM
I've been bitten by the anime bug. I mainly like the giant robot variety. Gundam Seed is the only anime I've seen in its entirety. I have also seen some of the original Macross. What I don't like is that most anime that's on TV is usually heavily edited/butchered so it's appropriate for kids. That pretty much forces you to buy the DVDs, unless you can stomache a sanitized version on cartoon network. They should really create a digital cable channel that shows nothing but unedited anime. That would be great.

Um, the Anime Network? I'm pretty sure it's all uncut, not that I get that channel.

VinnyT
04-21-2009, 11:36 AM
I have to tell you all about this place I found out while watching Ninja Nonsense, it's called www.rightstuf.com If your in to anime it is a must to go there. They not only have DVDs, but everything else you can think of.

Just recently started checking them out. Pretty much the cheapest site around that isn't ebay/Amazon.

Bablefish
04-21-2009, 12:06 PM
You should check out their bargain bin at Right Stuf you can get some pretty sweet deals.

How I get my anime fix? I get Anime Network via On Demand through RCN I pay $12.99 a month and to me it's worth it. I have seen some real gems.

tomaitheous
04-21-2009, 02:16 PM
Mushi-shi was awesome. Just finished that one. I really wish there was a second season :( (No, I'm not interested in reading the manga)

Ghost Hunt: Typical less serious anime, but was pretty decent.

XXXholic: Weird, but entertaining.

The Girl Who Lept Through Time: (movie) Really liked this one.

Pulstar
05-29-2010, 08:47 AM
Anime has been ruined thanks to its becoming a mainstream genre at the states, and Pokemon is mostly to blame, followed by Cowboy Bebop and Evangelion (both good shows admittedly, but massively overpraised). I've been watching anime since the early 1980s, and I can't take most of the stuff that comes out nowadays. Exceptions exist of course: Summer Wars, Tatami Galaxy, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time etc but they're the exceptions not the norm.

I've been digging for "retro anime", and I'm usually pleased with what I find. Still, I've never been big on Gundam and it's unlikely that that will change. I keep hoping that anime becomes niche again, outside Japan at least, so that animators don't become even more complacent. And don't get me started on anime fans..

Waterfaller
05-29-2010, 09:14 AM
Yup, I'm pretty into anime. Some of the best series' I've seen are 13-40 episodes, sometimes 52 or 54. Nothing overly long. Well, minus for a few exceptions.

I've always enjoyed the Digimon series, as well as Type Moon series', like Tsukihime Lunar Legend and especially Fate/stay night. Older ones include things from the early 80s such as Vampire Hunter D, Space Runaway Ideon (which has one hell of a conclusion), Aura Battler Dunbine, and Superdimensional Fortress Macross. *sighs* Anime from the 80s has that special charm that has yet to be replicated. The last anime I watched was Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water, from 1990. Instantly it went on my personal top 10. Not to mention Vision of Escaflowne, The Big O, and Record of Lodoss War. Claymore and Berserk were pretty rad too. And for nostalgias sake, Voltron!

Like most anyone in the early to mid 90s, I got into anime thanks to the Saturday Anime block on the SciFi Channel, and thanks to Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon, both of which stay dear to me.

Although not animated but still Japanese, I LOVE watching Super Sentai shows, which get adapted in the US into what we know as Power Rangers. Awesome stuff.

Why-Disciple
05-29-2010, 10:44 AM
Most of my friends are into anime but as much as I try to get in on it, it's just not for me. 90% of them are all-action-no-plot, like Naruto or Bleach, which seem to be the most popular, sadly. The only ones I've been able to watch to the end are Death Note, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Ghost in the Shell, as they put more focus on plot and are also damn well animated. So for the record, I absolutely loved DN and FMA, so I guess with anime it's totally hit or miss.

NeoVamp
05-29-2010, 11:23 AM
I used to hate Anime because of the retarded fans it seemed to attract,
but then i started watching Hokuto No Ken (fist of the north star) and he was all like "YOU ARE ALREADY DEAD"
and then heads exploded!!!!!!!

After that i started watching Captain Harlock (had to know what that skull was about)
and i liked that one a lot too, so i watched all the Harlock sequels/remakes and even started watching Galaxy Express 999.
(till they stopped subbing it)

And i pretty much thought i wouldn't watch anything else after that,
because HNK was gorey and Harlock was scifi, and i just don't like all the romantic/silly anime stuff.

but then i started talking with a friend about this game i once played on Snes called Ranma 1/2
and.. now I'm watching that, and laughing my ass off.

Its good to finally understand why the Snes game had a panda as a selectable fighter! http://www.sega-16.com/forum/images/icons/talking.gif

Da_Shocker
05-29-2010, 12:16 PM
If anybody likes Transformers they have pretty good anime's out there. These aired right after the Rebirth did here. They are very interesting anime's to say the least. They were dubbed years later in English by some fans in Singapore.

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NeoVamp
05-29-2010, 01:03 PM
They should totally bring out that Japanese Headmasters season on a dvd with dual audio,
but instead of the crappy Singapore dub they should get all the original 80's voice actors. (well the ones that are still alive anyway)

I'd buy that.

Da_Shocker
05-29-2010, 01:54 PM
They should totally bring out that Rebirth season on a dvd with dual audio,
but instead of the crappy Singapore dub they should get all the original 80's voice actors. (well the ones that are still alive anyway)

I'd buy that.

Rebirth was the American G1 season 4.

Japan got

Headmasters
Super God Masterforce
Victory
Zone

NeoVamp
05-29-2010, 07:48 PM
lol then i mixed up the names, i meant of course Headmasters.

I didn't like the rest of the Japanese Transformers stuff though, it became too weird.

Da_Shocker
05-29-2010, 09:30 PM
Yes I have seen all of Headmasters and Masterforce. I started on Victory but never finished. I hated that slap stick Japanese humor and the gestalts who use to be complete bad asses in the American series became pushovers.

Pulstar
06-04-2010, 02:40 PM
Am I going to be lynched if I confessed to not liking Transformers at all? :P

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What can anyone tell me about Goshogun/Macron 1? Was it any good? I recall the ending theme being too 'dancy' for an 80s cartoon haha. Btw the movie Goshogun: The Time Etranger is very good if you're into retro anime as I am.

zetastrike
06-04-2010, 02:48 PM
Anime isn't what it used to be. Today its all a bunch of drama crap or disturbing/violent or freaky hentai shit. Even the newer Gundam series are lacking compared to the old ones. To me, 80s scifi/mecha stuff is the best. The only current stuff I really like is the newer Macross series.

Pulstar
06-04-2010, 02:51 PM
Blame it on Pokemon and Evangelion :P

Now about my question...

Chilly Willy
06-04-2010, 03:16 PM
Anime isn't what it used to be. Today its all a bunch of drama crap or disturbing/violent or freaky hentai shit. Even the newer Gundam series are lacking compared to the old ones. To me, 80s scifi/mecha stuff is the best. The only current stuff I really like is the newer Macross series.

You're completely out of touch with modern Japanese anime. The majority of Japanese anime tends to be either school-based slice-of-life comedies, or supernatural series, with the occasional scifi and mecha or shoujo anime thrown in every now and then.

"Disturbing/violent or freaky hentai" and "drama crap" is rare.

Why-Disciple
06-04-2010, 03:37 PM
Wolverine anime. Why God, why?

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The Jackal
06-04-2010, 03:46 PM
I'm shocked 17days hasn't jumped in and called anyone an "anime fag"!

ShadowDancer
06-04-2010, 04:00 PM
did anyone say tekkaman yet? i'm too lazy to read the rest of the thread.

FoxHound
06-04-2010, 04:06 PM
Was the Big O series Anime..If it was or wasnt..I loved that show of Cartoon network back in the day when the channel was a real cartoon channel

Pulstar
06-06-2010, 06:26 PM
You know I'm not a fan of Evangelion. It's like a David Lynch movie that makes little sense and is perpetually open to fan interpretation. Hideaki Anno read a few books on mythology, philosophy and psychologly and mishmashed into production a 26-episode show along with scores of regurgitated rebuilds and retakes and whatnot.

It's like intellectual masturbation.

Waterfaller
06-06-2010, 06:37 PM
You know I'm not a fan of Evangelion. It's like a David Lynch movie that makes little sense and is perpetually open to fan interpretation. Hideaki Anno read a few books on mythology, philosophy and psychologly and mishmashed into production a 26-episode show along with scores of regurgitated rebuilds and retakes and whatnot.

It's like intellectual masturbation.

Anno did it all just fine with Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water, I think. THAT was well thought out. Evangelion seemed to get EVERYTHING and tried to make it all coherent. That's why I think Nadia is superior in every way to Evangelion.

Also, why has no one mentioned the awesomeness of THIS?
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Televator
06-06-2010, 07:36 PM
<---- Yes, I am an amine fan. Although I'm not a purist in the sense that I must watch everything with original Japanese voices or find myself compelled to incorporate it into everything in my life.

I'd say what my faves are but I doubt I'd mention anything that hasn't already been mentioned.

Pulstar
06-06-2010, 07:55 PM
I played the RoLW game. I'm not into fantasy anime but if it's anything like Berserk I'll bite.

There shouldn't be a stigma attached to liking anime, even if some fans bring notoriety upon themselves. I frankly believed at one stage that Spirited Away was going to create a worldwide perception of animation as a powerful medium for storytelling but I was wrong, yet people will readily consume gratuitous CG-infested movies and demand moar moar moar.. Avatar was one step away from being a videogame.

16-bit
06-06-2010, 08:18 PM
There's a movie that came out last year called "Summer Wars"

There's no English dub yet (to my knowledge) but it's absolutely fantastic. The best way I can describe the film is: War Games, Second Life, and a family film all rolled into one. It's absolutely fantastic, and I only wish I wasn't feeling so groggy because I don't think I did it justice at all describing it.

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Waterfaller
06-06-2010, 09:05 PM
I played the RoLW game. I'm not into fantasy anime but if it's anything like Berserk I'll bite.

It's more like Lord of the Rings Lite. If you're looking for something like Berserk, then Claymore is your best bet. Very violent, awesome story, in a dark fantasy setting like Berserk.

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Or you might wanna try this:

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More of a modern fantasy, and still quite violent. It uses many different world mythologies, but does so rather coherently. All of these series' I highly recommend :cool:

Pulstar
06-09-2010, 03:23 PM
Thanks will check them out! Oh and Summer Wars is pretty good too.

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w00t russian anime! And it's going to be localised too! Na zdorovie!

Pulstar
07-02-2010, 02:11 PM
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Pushed myself into marathoning the last 20 episodes of Armored Trooper VOTOMS. There's a good story in there but the delivery, this being an 80s anime, isn't that good.

Even with the long breaks I take between watching anime series once I'm done with one it usually leaves me cold and depressed. My next show is probably going to be Tekkaman Blade, but I'll hold off for several weeks before diving back in.

acdc
07-02-2010, 04:15 PM
bought four months or so ago

spriggan
wicked city
fatal fury

nice manga s

Devon
07-02-2010, 04:39 PM
sailor moon :P
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Pulstar
09-07-2010, 10:27 AM
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FYI: This is a Studio 4°C production, apparently they wanted to test the waters for a full-fledged WWII paranormal thriller anime show but the 'pilot' didn't do so good it seems. Too bad, it was certainly refreshing to hear a dub that's neither engilsh or japanese.

cleeg
11-15-2010, 03:47 PM
I like anime, but have only really seen Akira. I find it all a bit like comic books, I'd love to get in on the action but there's just so much to choose from I wouldn't know where to start. Plus, I know I'd get hooked, and I'm hooked on too many things that keep me less than useful already!

16-bit
11-15-2010, 03:52 PM
I just finished watching most of Satoshi Kon's work: Memories, Perfect Blue, Millennium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers, Paprika, and every single episode of Paranoia Agent.

I'm a little disappointing that I didn't find out about Satoshi Kon's work until after he passed away this August, I wish that I had seen these films before then and had been fallowing his film making career earlier, needless to say though, I'm really happy that "The Dream Machine" will still be released.

Judging by the fact that Satoshi Kon left extensive notes of how he wanted the film to be done, I have a feeling it will be just as good as his other films. I can't wait until it comes out, and I will do my best to see it on opening day, if it ever comes out in theaters over here.

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cleeg
11-15-2010, 05:38 PM
I liked Aeon Flux too, the bits I caught anyway. Could've made a good movie...

zetastrike
11-15-2010, 05:44 PM
I've been watching the original 1978 Captain Harlock series on hulu for the past few months, and it's excellent. I think I'll move on to Galaxy Express 999 or Galaxy Railways after I finish Harlock.

hashiriya1
11-15-2010, 05:59 PM
I have only seen the Evangelion series. People told me that there is no reason to watch any other anime. I know that's stretching it a bit, but I want to believe them.

Nunzio
11-15-2010, 06:36 PM
I have only seen the Evangelion series. People told me that there is no reason to watch any other anime. I know that's stretching it a bit, but I want to believe them.

That's hilariously stupid. Do you really think that an entire industry, made up of countless genres across decades can be summed up in one mediocre but popular sci fi show?

That's like saying don't bother with life, just get a DVD box of Jersey Shore. It's all the same anyways!

Waterfaller
11-15-2010, 07:31 PM
I have only seen the Evangelion series. People told me that there is no reason to watch any other anime. I know that's stretching it a bit, but I want to believe them.

I'm tellin' ya, for anyone who liked Evangelion, you have GOT to check out Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water. It's the predecessor to Evangelion in almost every way! Same character designer, same BGM composer, same director... it may not seem like it at first, but you'll start noticing a LOT of similiarities.

Another spectacular series I finished watching recently is Scrapped Princess.

Ecco
11-15-2010, 07:53 PM
The only series I followed for a while was Inuyasha when it was aired on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim. :cool: The storyline would continue for MONTHS and then cut short and start over again. It was only 1 episode, Mon-Thurs, so it got even more drawn out. I have to get the disc set at some point. Sure the show was a little more childish than I'd like, but Inuyasha is an awesome character, great artwork, cool setting of feudal Japan, and the storyline is very epic! Gotta kill all the demons and collect all the crystal shards!!!


http://www.gamingangels.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Inuyasha-Anime-Approved-WithCopy-sm.jpg

Pulstar
11-15-2010, 08:13 PM
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Watch this and be GOBSMACKED in the face. Anime's not dead, it's just been out for a walk!

old man
11-16-2010, 03:53 AM
I first read about it on colony drop. I can't wait to get the DVD.

Hidden_Darkness
11-16-2010, 08:47 PM
I haven't watched any anime for a while since there isn't much on tv anymore but I do enjoy comedy anime or mecha/ action anime, also anime based off of video games.

FlackoWeasel
11-17-2010, 02:59 AM
I myself enjoy Studio Ghibli works. I mostly love Ponyo and Totoro.

Waterfaller
11-17-2010, 04:09 AM
I myself enjoy Studio Ghibli works. I mostly love Ponyo and Totoro.

Hayao Miyazaki had a small hand in the creation of Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water.

Yes. I really love the series THAT much.

Nunzio
11-17-2010, 05:13 AM
Fucking stoked for Redline. Also read about it on Colony Drop. Fucking stoked.

That being said, I also heard that it is doing horrible in Japan. So, anime is dead. We're just being treated to a fluke.

FlackoWeasel
11-17-2010, 06:29 AM
I also like digimon and pokemon, dont laugh. I like those creatures.

zyo
11-17-2010, 07:21 AM
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Another spectacular series I finished watching recently is Scrapped Princess.

Yeah that one is pretty good. I'm a fan of many genres of anime myself. My favorites are the Key animes though, especially Clannad.

old man
11-17-2010, 12:19 PM
Fucking stoked for Redline. Also read about it on Colony Drop. Fucking stoked.

That being said, I also heard that it is doing horrible in Japan. So, anime is dead. We're just being treated to a fluke.

Damn japanese. Wouldn't it be ironic though if it became a super hit over here? I can just see them stroking out in confusion trying to make sense of our fat american asses. The whole marked would be flooded with cheesy, futuristic, racing anime with moe characters. :lol:

Waterfaller
11-17-2010, 01:04 PM
I also like digimon and pokemon, dont laugh. I like those creatures.

Hey, Digimon is rad. Don't feel bad. I still think the Tamers season was my favorite.

nissling
11-18-2010, 10:51 AM
I bought the complete collections of Love Hina and School Rumble today on my way home from school. Looking forward to take a look at School Rumble, too bad that very few animes are shown here in Sweden. When it comes to the TV-shows, I remember that two of the first shown animes in Sweden was Sailor Moon and Pokémon. Some channels have showed a handful of anime series since then but there's hardly any movies here. It took over 17 years for Totoro until it was officially released in Sweden and Akira has never been released here. I remember when Spirited Away came out in Sweden which was about a year after it premiered in Japan but I'd really wish that Svensk Filmindustri will buy in the rights for some more animes.

FlackoWeasel
11-20-2010, 06:14 AM
Hey, Digimon is rad. Don't feel bad. I still think the Tamers season was my favorite.

My favourite is season 1.

old man
11-21-2012, 11:46 PM
Necrobump


I watched "Detonator Orgun" the other day. It was pretty cool. The three parts were long, but didn't really feel drawn out except in a few places. I liked the concept behind the armor. I wish there had been more back story into the Evoluder though. The direction could have been better, but it wasn't bad. The sound was terrible though, even in Japanese language mode. Everything seemed muffled, especially the music.

Solkia
11-21-2012, 11:50 PM
I've only been reading Kaichou wa Maid-Sama and watching One Piece lately.

Maid-Sama has gone to shit ever since Usui's past was revealed.

One Piece is still consistently good as it was when it first started. I recommend it.

AlecRob
11-22-2012, 12:01 AM
Heres some of my favorites:

Ranma 1/2
Full Metal Panic
Yu Yu Hakusho
Maison Ikkoku
Full Metal Alchemist/Brotherhood
Dragon Ball
Birdy The Mighty
Inuyasha
Dirty Pair
Azumanga Daioh

Theres probably more..

Metalwario64
11-22-2012, 12:16 AM
Been watching Gundam stuff lately, namely the original (movie trilogy versions), G Gundam, and Wing. I'm getting Zeta (series) and Char's Counterattack next week.

So far, I like G the best because I love martial arts, and it has great characters. Wing's the weakest to me so far, because of some of the characters (Zechs being a ripoff of Char from the original series), and the politics are pretty dumb (total pacifism), but the music's good and the action's pretty nice. I've heard many great things about Zeta, so I'm excited for that, and I've also gotten into Gundam models (I just like building models. I started back in the early 2000's with Mega Man X model kits).

Also, watched all of FMA Brotherhood (since New Toonami started), and that was so much better than the original series, even without my having read the manga.

I plan on watching Fairy Tail eventually, as I've heard that's sorta in the vein of stuff like Slayers, and last year I watched (and read) all of Ranma 1/2. I'll also be checking out One Piece again one of these days. I've still only got up until the Arlong stuff, but I really like it so far.

Lastly, with news of Dragon Ball Kai continuing outside of Japan, I'm going to definitely be getting that when FUNimation inevitably licenses and dubs it. I still like the original, but it's pretty hard to watch these days because Z really drags at times. Kai's pacing was a bit too fast for the first 14 episodes or so, but since then I've definitely been fond of the pacing. The Boo-arc has some bad pacing problems at times as well (it's about 100 episodes!), and I love the new English dub for Kai, so I'm definitely excited about that as well.

Saturn Fan
11-22-2012, 12:24 AM
The only Gundam show i ever really enjoyed, was Gundam Wing. G Gundam was kinda neat also, being like DBZ with robots.

old man
11-22-2012, 11:26 AM
I loved DBZ, but man did that show have some filler. It was painful at times. I really like the idea behind DBZ Kai. A more action focused DBZ is definitely a good thing. I always thought the Bardok Saga movie had some of the best pacing and action out of this series or just about any anime I've seen.

Hidden_Darkness
11-22-2012, 11:31 AM
I enjoy gundam and have since the mid 90's, I don't really like the newer gundam series from the 2000's though. so far I've seen gundam 0079, 0080, 0083, z gundam, zz gundam, chars counterattack, f-91, 08th ms team, v, g, wing, x, and that's all I've had a interest in seeing as far as gundam goes.

most of the anime I like is from the 80's and 90's, it all just seemed higher quality during those years with better stories. I haven't seen much stuff from the 2000's that I like yet since I havent checked out much newer anime.

Robotwo
11-22-2012, 11:38 AM
I really liked animé way better back when they had that distinct inked feel.
But there's some modern ones that passes through as well :)

Some classics I gladly rewatch now and then is:
Serial Experiments Lain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmN_gYXcTH8) -really nice bizarre series about computers, alternate planes of existence and lots of other stuff.
Battle Angel Alita (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1JiMJUDmqM) -sadly short adaptaion of the manga of the same name, about cyborgs, robots and societal status.
Armitage III (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AccSVGckL0k) -rather dark cyberpunk about people killing robots who becomes too human (pretty similar to blade runner, yet not).
Perfect Blue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioATsovJ85c) -if you haven't seen this classic yet I can't recommend it enough, really great animated movie about the paranoia of a pop star taking place at the time when internet was something new.
and Genocyber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad1bBoiPkQc#t=0m44s) -not very deep storywise, but otherwise just a gorefest with some of the most macabre imagery I've yet to see in anime.


Some of the newer ones I do like though as well include for example:
Paprika (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqg3Sw3s9Wg) -made by the mastermind behind Perfect Blue and Paranoia Agent. This movie is like a more abstract animated version of inception (or inception is rather like paprika).
Macross F (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qWnDqeXMhA) -always been a big fan of the macross saga, really liked this addition to it.
FLCL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQThpgkWJ6M) -not sure what haven't been said about this lovely little series, it's about a kid who has gets a severe case of stuff leaping out of his head, very random but still interesting.
Nichijou (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7uBO6ItfH8) -can't really talk about random animés without mentioning nichijou, this series has a pretty interesting cast of characters with some excessively random moments.

old man
11-22-2012, 08:22 PM
Sword of the Stranger
Redline
Vampire Hunter D: Blood Lust

These are pretty much the only post 2000 anime movies I can recommend.

old man
12-29-2012, 07:55 PM
I watched parts 3 & 4 for Hades Project Zeorymer the other day. I like the show. I'm also reminded of many of the things that made anime so awesome back in the day. Things were already going great. You had giant robots, and effeminate villains with issues trashing the country side. Then all of a sudden Miku's skin disintegrates and her skeleton transforms into an interdimensional power coupler that attaches itself to Zeorymer's core. It all happens in like four seconds, and you're sitting there slack jawed going 'HOLY FUCK WHAT DID I JUST SEE?'. Yep, anime used to be that cool.

Waterfaller
12-30-2012, 03:26 PM
Recently I had a marathon viewing of the entirety of Yu Yu Hakusho. I love that series. It beats out DBZ in my book.

zetastrike
12-30-2012, 03:28 PM
Since it started airing on Toonami, I've really been enjoying Samurai 7. The characters and really good, story well written, and it's awesome to see a guy with a sword jump 20 feet in the air and cut a giant robot in half. It's made me want to check out the classic movie it's based on.

old man
12-30-2012, 10:21 PM
Recently I had a marathon viewing of the entirety of Yu Yu Hakusho. I love that series. It beats out DBZ in my book.

I liked it a lot in the beginning when they were winning fights as much with luck as with any skill they had. It was a lot of fun. Then, like everything from shonen jump, it gradually turned into DBZ as the series progressed. 'Let's train for a day in this magic place and get super strong!' Give me a break.

It's sad though because this happens to everything that comes out that rag no matter how much potential it has. Bleach, Naruto, everything that comes out of SJ mutates into DBZ eventually.

Baloo
12-31-2012, 01:38 PM
I haven't watched anime or read manga in a very long time, but there was one series that looked really interesting but wasn't totally serialized in the US, called Area 88. Anyone ever read that one? Been trying to find old US issues of it from the 90s.

old man
12-31-2012, 10:26 PM
Area 88 has been around forever. Strangely I've never really looked into it. I can't help you with finding vintage issues of it, but there are scanalations floating around on the net.

Chilly Willy
12-31-2012, 11:53 PM
Area 88 has been around forever. Strangely I've never really looked into it. I can't help you with finding vintage issues of it, but there are scanalations floating around on the net.

I've got quite a few issues of Area 88... strangely enough, not a single one purchased because I have any interest in that title. :D

I used to go to the Houston Comic Convention while I was in college, and I'd sometimes buy "grab bags" of comics... basically, you buy a big cardboard box full of comics that are completely random. You generally don't find much of any value in them, but you get a LOT of comics cheap! Area 88 was being used in grab bags at the conventions since they didn't sell very well, so they got relegated as "box stuffers" by dealers.

xelement5x
01-02-2013, 06:41 PM
I watched the new Berserk movie over the holiday and really enjoyed it, the production values are awesome and it really benefits from having a bluray release. The movie itself is a retelling of the anime series, but it looks phenomenal and I really enjoy the manga.

Tripredacus
01-03-2013, 11:56 AM
I forgot to post in this thread. I collect cartoon videos on VHS and DVD and VCD. I don't want to go overboard on VCD, I only have one. Anime is probably over 50% of what I have. The first anime I recall watching was a long time ago when Sci Fi first played Ghost in the Shell. The biggest let-down for Anime for me was when Akira got made on DVD and they redid the dub. I was looking forward to the update but was so disappointed. I ended up keeping the VHS.

old man
01-03-2013, 08:36 PM
I definitely prefer the old Akira dub as well. I keep expecting to hear those voices when I watch Akira. I think it was streamline that did the first dub.

Metalwario64
01-04-2013, 06:47 AM
I haven't watched anime or read manga in a very long time, but there was one series that looked really interesting but wasn't totally serialized in the US, called Area 88. Anyone ever read that one? Been trying to find old US issues of it from the 90s.
Haven't read any of the manga, so I can't help you with that, but I'm not much into reading manga these days anyway.

I saw the 80's OVAs and the 2000's TV anime series. I enjoyed the OVAs very much. It was a nice tragic story, but the TV series was terrible, which tried to be "artistic" by focusing solely on the photographer and not on the tragedies of the pilots. They also ruined the ending, if everything else wasn't bad enough.

Chilly Willy
01-04-2013, 01:46 PM
I forgot to post in this thread. I collect cartoon videos on VHS and DVD and VCD. I don't want to go overboard on VCD, I only have one. Anime is probably over 50% of what I have. The first anime I recall watching was a long time ago when Sci Fi first played Ghost in the Shell. The biggest let-down for Anime for me was when Akira got made on DVD and they redid the dub. I was looking forward to the update but was so disappointed. I ended up keeping the VHS.

I've got one of the original Akira VHS bootlegs... where the audio gets as far as a couple seconds out of sync in the middle. :) That was an awesome dub, despite the sync problem. I too was disappointed by the redub.

TrekkiesUnite118
01-04-2013, 01:58 PM
Recently I've been watching One Piece. My brother got me the first 158ish episodes on DVD for Christmas. Years ago I started watching it when it was on hulu but then they took down all the earlier episodes.

Tripredacus
01-05-2013, 05:13 PM
Recently I've been watching One Piece. My brother got me the first 158ish episodes on DVD for Christmas. Years ago I started watching it when it was on hulu but then they took down all the earlier episodes.

Oh that's one thing I wanted to bring up but I forgot. I typically don't care for the over the top animation in shows like One Piece and others. I prefer tighter animation than that, although I've seen it. Others like City Hunter and Lupin III I can tolerate but it just isn't my thing. Also I think I consider Ranma 1/2 and Yu Yu Hakisho (sic) in those categories.

old man
01-05-2013, 07:43 PM
I don't care for One Piece. To me it's just another one of those "by numbers" shows that Jump and Viz keep regurgitating. It's basically Naruto with pirates to me. I'm not downing anyone for liking it though. Heaven forbid I try to criticize anyone else tastes. I'm one of those people who consider M.D. Geist a work of art. :p

Chilly Willy
01-05-2013, 09:21 PM
I prefer my anime with a bit better writing and more story... series like Paranoia Agent or Ghost Hound. :D

TVC 15
01-06-2013, 08:29 PM
Woo! Paranoia Agent! Watched the whole series a last summer, fantastic piece of work. Satoshi Kon is still sorely missed.

I'm big on moody mid-90's noir-esque anime with occasional mech action thrown in. Patlabor 1+2 still to me have an atmosphere not bettered or emulated successfully since throughout any of the cinema (animation or not) I've ever seen.

Chilly Willy
01-06-2013, 10:52 PM
I like the classic Patlabor... it's one of the "old school" anime I enjoy. These days, Gundam has taken over that segment of viewers.

zetastrike
01-06-2013, 11:44 PM
Gundam has fallen so far since the 80s. It's just been whored out beyond belief. It was the worst during the 90s, but it's still bad now. You can expect a new Gundam series (and accompanying toyline/games) every two years now. How many times can you retell it? That's one of the reasons why I prefer Macross. You actually have time to miss it before it comes back.

old man
01-07-2013, 12:15 AM
Have any of you watched Geo Armor Kishin Corps? It's a pretty fun show. It's set in WWII and deals with a group fighting Nazis and Aliens with giant robots powered by alienish tech that isn't ever explained. There are some obvious anime tropes, like a heroic youth, a Maetel archetype, and over the top villains. It's still a lot of fun for the price though. It actually reminds me of Nadia a lot.

Cucollins12
01-07-2013, 01:02 AM
well, Im not very much into anime but one of the anime´s that I really enjoy is hajime no ippo, I love boxing so when I heard that there was a boxing anime I was in! very very good anime if you ask.

Chilly Willy
01-07-2013, 01:34 AM
Gundam has fallen so far since the 80s. It's just been whored out beyond belief. It was the worst during the 90s, but it's still bad now. You can expect a new Gundam series (and accompanying toyline/games) every two years now. How many times can you retell it? That's one of the reasons why I prefer Macross. You actually have time to miss it before it comes back.

I love Macross... but there are times when it gets a little embarrassing. Macross is better on disc/computer - then you can fast forward through the embarrassing parts. :lol:

Robotwo
01-07-2013, 07:39 AM
Did anyone here ever watch Memories(1995)? :)
Magnetic Rose from that just amazed me on so many levels http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJELF0XGhSY

Great animation and a very eerie setting :D

TVC 15
01-07-2013, 08:33 AM
I love Macross... but there are times when it gets a little embarrassing. Macross is better on disc/computer - then you can fast forward through the embarrassing parts. :lol:

Ahh come on ;), I love the cheese in Macross, especially Minmay's star turns. I think some of the romance triangle/sub-plot is far better written than a lot of the gushy modern anime.

When I was a bit less aware of the tropes, conventions and classic bits of anime cinema, it was a complete wtf seeing a love song being used as a weapon as the whole Zentradi fleet and the SDF-1 rip into Boddole Zer.

PROTOCULTURRRREEEEEEEEEEE

zetastrike
01-07-2013, 10:56 AM
Is anyone here a Dirty Pair fan? I bought the OVA series in September and it was amazing. Everything good about anime is contained in those 10 episodes. I want to buy the TV series, but it's not dubbed which is disappointing because the dub in the OVA was excellent.

xelement5x
01-07-2013, 11:56 AM
Did anyone here ever watch Memories(1995)? :)
Magnetic Rose from that just amazed me on so many levels http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJELF0XGhSY

Great animation and a very eerie setting :D

Memories is a pretty cool series of shorts, but you're right about this being the strongest of them. Though I still always like to watch Stink Bomb whenever I want to get a laugh.

Chilly Willy
01-07-2013, 07:09 PM
Ahh come on ;), I love the cheese in Macross, especially Minmay's star turns. I think some of the romance triangle/sub-plot is far better written than a lot of the gushy modern anime.

When I was a bit less aware of the tropes, conventions and classic bits of anime cinema, it was a complete wtf seeing a love song being used as a weapon as the whole Zentradi fleet and the SDF-1 rip into Boddole Zer.

PROTOCULTURRRREEEEEEEEEEE

They should have used hardcore porn... some nice tentacle porn REALLY would have sent the Zentradi fleeing. :)

Anywho, the Macross sequel series were much the same... slight bits I'd rather fast forward through, but still great to watch.



Is anyone here a Dirty Pair fan? I bought the OVA series in September and it was amazing. Everything good about anime is contained in those 10 episodes. I want to buy the TV series, but it's not dubbed which is disappointing because the dub in the OVA was excellent.

I have the OVA series, as well as the original Japanese manga. I also like the newer "American" version that ran for a while - I have those comics. Too bad they didn't make a cartoon from those...

old man
01-07-2013, 10:43 PM
The Dirty Pair OAVs are the next thing I'm planning to buy along with the movie set. I would have gotten them last week, but decided to make a house payment instead.

I've seen Memories, but can't remember much about them except an opera singer on a space station.

Tsar
01-08-2013, 12:18 PM
Has anyone watched beserk?

Tripredacus
01-09-2013, 11:48 AM
Has anyone watched beserk?

I have 1 DVD for Berserk. I recall it as a gore-fest.

Robotwo
01-09-2013, 12:07 PM
I still say Genocyber is more of a gore-fest than berserk :)

Warning: animated examples bellow
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/8861/geno4.gif
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/7095/geno3.gif
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4621/geno1.gif

old man
01-09-2013, 09:07 PM
You guys should watch Battle Royal Highschool. Not the new Battle Royal, but the one AnimEgo put out over fifteen years ago. The "reconstruct your girlfriend" scene is epic.

xelement5x
01-10-2013, 11:00 AM
I got the new Berserk movie over the holiday and loved it, the production values on the whole thing are phenomenal. This movie is basically a retelling of the first 1/3 of the series though, so that might impact your enjoyment if you're looking for something new.

I'm working through Nadia still now, I stalled about halfway through and need to pick it back up and finish.

Armoured Priest
01-10-2013, 12:43 PM
Memories was pretty awesome. Hope a blu-ray of that gets released at some point.

Anyways for a shorter series, I'd highly recommend Baccano! Its a 1920-30s gangster action/drama/comedy thing that's actully a bit light on the Anime tropes. If you had told me Tarantino had something to do with this, i'd have totaly believed you. It is a bit conveluted to follow because the story isn't told linearly, and there are a lot of characters for a show this short (13 episodes and three 30 min OVAs. There are like 15 pretty important characters). The whole thing is pretty frenetic, though I wouldn't say it ever feels rushed. Also, the show has a STELLAR English dub and translation. This show is just hands down way better in English (for eample: use of Japanese honrifics don't make a lot of sense in a Chicago 1920s gangster drama. The subtitled version is a straight translation, the dub is a localization and the woman who headed the localization did a good job of including period slang and accents).

I can not praise this show highly enough.

old man
01-10-2013, 10:38 PM
I just watched the new CG Appleseed. Man what a turd that was. The old OAV was ten times better, and even it wasn't that great. I think Shinji Aramaki is a good director, but he really needs to team up with a decent writer. I wish Appleseed could get the same treatment as GITS Stand Alone Complex. That would be awesome.

Waterfaller
01-11-2013, 03:51 AM
I got the new Berserk movie over the holiday and loved it, the production values on the whole thing are phenomenal. This movie is basically a retelling of the first 1/3 of the series though, so that might impact your enjoyment if you're looking for something new.

I'm working through Nadia still now, I stalled about halfway through and need to pick it back up and finish.

I LOVE Nadia. I think it's easily one of the best series' I'd seen in a long time!
Just a word of warning: after the halfway point is some filler, but don't let that deter you, because the series gets even MORE awesome after all that passes :)

Zebbe
01-11-2013, 07:14 AM
Nadia is great, and yeah, try to disregard the filler.



I found Tasuke :D. Second last pic on right side:

http://9gag.com/gag/6303468

old man
01-11-2013, 07:27 PM
I thought some of the filler in Nadia was a lot of fun. The series was really hampered to me, though, because Nadia is such a constantly whinny little bitch through 90% of it. Then there's also the fact that the new dub gave Jon that ridiculous fake accent. I hope ADV gets hate mail for an eternity for that.

Hidden_Darkness
01-11-2013, 07:58 PM
I just bought a few beast wars II anime vhs's today for $1 each. I've been wanting to watch this series since I found out about it in the late 90s but it's almost impossible to get a hold of the episodes since they were only available in japan. the only way to get them in the us was through unofficial fansubbed videos in the late 90s.

so far I like it a lot better then the american 3d beast wars show from the mid 90s. I've waited about 14 years to finally be able to watch a few episodes of beast wars II, I only have 9 episodes out of 43 though. after watching dvd's for the past 11 years it's a bit painful to see how bad the quality of worn out vhs tapes is.

zetastrike
01-12-2013, 12:24 AM
I just bought a few beast wars II anime vhs's today for $1 each. I've been wanting to watch this series since I found out about it in the late 90s but it's almost impossible to get a hold of the episodes since they were only available in japan. the only way to get them in the us was through unofficial fansubbed videos in the late 90s.

so far I like it a lot better then the american 3d beast wars show from the mid 90s. I've waited about 14 years to finally be able to watch a few episodes of beast wars II, I only have 9 episodes out of 43 though. after watching dvd's for the past 11 years it's a bit painful to see how bad the quality of worn out vhs tapes is.

The first five fandub episodes of BWII are on youtube. I think they did a pretty good job of it and I prefer to watch it that way because I hate that the Japanese continued to call the Maximals and Predacons cybertrons and destrons instead of giving them new faction names. Plus I don't like "henshin". I do like BWII though. It's nowhere near as serious as the original Beast Wars, but it's good mindless fun and I like the vehicular designs of the Predacons, especially Starscream and BB. I don't get why they made Galvatron pink though. It would be nice if Shout Factory would localize it along with Beast Wars Neo, since they already brought over the Japanese G1 sequels.

Hidden_Darkness
01-12-2013, 05:12 AM
The first five fandub episodes of BWII are on youtube. I think they did a pretty good job of it and I prefer to watch it that way because I hate that the Japanese continued to call the Maximals and Predacons cybertrons and destrons instead of giving them new faction names. Plus I don't like "henshin". I do like BWII though. It's nowhere near as serious as the original Beast Wars, but it's good mindless fun and I like the vehicular designs of the Predacons, especially Starscream and BB. I don't get why they made Galvatron pink though. It would be nice if Shout Factory would localize it along with Beast Wars Neo, since they already brought over the Japanese G1 sequels.

thanks for the tip about the bw II episodes on youtube, I'll have to check them out later. I've only watched 2 episodes so far out of the 9 I have so I can't form a solid opinion on it yet but I am enjoying it after waiting so long to see it and I like how bw II doesn't always take itself so seriously.

I also liked the vehicle designs, it was nice to see more then just transformers that turn into animals and provided a nice mix. I've got figures of megastorm and starscream & bb that I bought in 1998 and 2005. I did find out bw II and bw neo are on dvd in japan but i'm not paying $400-$700 each set to import a set of dvds.

hopefully shout factory releases both bw II and bw neo on dvd eventually, I'd like to see some high quality versions of the episodes. do you have the japanese g1 series box set they released?

Robotwo
01-12-2013, 11:52 AM
I just watched the new CG Appleseed. Man what a turd that was. The old OAV was ten times better, and even it wasn't that great. I think Shinji Aramaki is a good director, but he really needs to team up with a decent writer. I wish Appleseed could get the same treatment as GITS Stand Alone Complex. That would be awesome.

When you say NEW CG Appleseed, do you mean "Appleseed" or "Appleseed Ex Machina"?
A big complaint for me with the first CG appleseed movie was that it had well detailed sets and then some completely out of place celshaded characters.
The second CG movie improved the character design quite a bit and was pretty impressive graphics wise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZkag7M_i5A

I still prefer the old OVA though, just love the inked feel of older animes.
I wonder if they'll make a CG movie based on Dominion: Tank Police next :B

Speaking of which, I'd like to recommend Dominion: Tank Police to those who haven't watched it :)
It's a pretty slick anime with a rather MetalSlug'ish tank in it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzqjOyeSNc

The english opening theme is so extremely 80's dance :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La7Drjku-Y8
The robotic vocoder reminds me tons of Music Instructor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQVkDv-cz7g#t=0m55s) for various reasons.

old man
01-12-2013, 05:14 PM
I meant "Appleseed". I didn't know there was another one other than the older hand drawn animated release from about twenty years ago. I'll have to look Ex Machina up, but I don't have much hope for it after this crap. Anybody that wants to see a good animated CG movie like this should also check out "Starship Troopers Invasion". It's also by Aramaki and his cronies, and it's pretty damn good.

edit: My original Dark Horse Appleseed graphic novel vol.4 also states that Briarios was originally a black from the mediteranian. Making him white in the flashbacks of the movie was just sloppy. This was only one of the major liberties taken with the manga's story. At least in SOC the stuff they added felt like it fit.

VGTM
01-14-2013, 09:11 AM
Jojo's Bizzare Adventure has finally been adapted into an anime series. I'm happy now.

old man
01-16-2013, 11:20 PM
I watched Ninja Scroll again the other day. I finally got it on DVD, had the VHS forever. It will be twenty years old this year. Can you believe it? It's still one of the most awesome Animes ever made. There is a sequel that's supposedly been in the works also.

xelement5x
01-17-2013, 11:06 AM
Last night I was in Denver to watch the one-time showing of the Puella Magi Madoka Magica movies. It's basically a compilation of the entire anime series in 2, 2-hour movies. The whole thing was subbed and distributed by Aniplex so it was very neat to watch, plus the number of times I've seen anime in a theater are pretty small. They were giving away posters to the first 30 people in line but I wasn't that invested in it ;)

Madoka is pretty good if you've never seen it, not your typical magical girl fare at all despite how it looks.

Saturn Fan
01-20-2013, 12:39 PM
Jojo's Bizzare Adventure has finally been adapted into an anime series. I'm happy now.


Nothing new. Stardust crusaders has been out there for years. Its very cool to finally see the first two storylines be adapted though.

old man
01-22-2013, 09:56 PM
I got the complete Ghost in the Shell stand alone complex series today. It includes 2nd Gig and the three movies. I really like the series despite all the garish CG.

evildragon
01-22-2013, 11:00 PM
I'm a fan of the Blood series. Watching Blood+ currently on Crackle right now.

Slutty
01-23-2013, 03:06 PM
I've been meaning to mention this for awhile, but I'm a big Girls Bravo fan. Cowboy Bebop too but, who isn't? Anyway, I recommend checking out Girls Bravo. It's got some cheesy elements to it and the dialogue that's supposed to be serious and dramatic is pretty bad, but it's anime so what's new? The comedy is good. Plus it's got a lot of cute anime girls. Kazuharu Fukuyama makes the show very funny. He's a huge pervert who is really over the top. lol He cracks me up.

Saturn Fan
01-23-2013, 05:26 PM
I've been meaning to mention this for awhile, but I'm a big Girls Bravo fan. Cowboy Bebop too but, who isn't? Anyway, I recommend checking out Girls Bravo. It's got some cheesy elements to it and the dialogue that's supposed to be serious and dramatic is pretty bad, but it's anime so what's new? The comedy is good. Plus it's got a lot of cute anime girls. Kazuharu Fukuyama makes the show very funny. He's a huge pervert who is really over the top. lol He cracks me up.


Uggh Cowboy Bebop. So overrated.

Especially in light of underrated Gems out there like Gun Grave.

Chilly Willy
01-23-2013, 07:01 PM
Uggh Cowboy Bebop. So overrated.

Especially in light of underrated Gems out there like Gun Grave.

You have to be pretty messed up to call Cowboy Bebop "overrated" and in the same breath praise Gun Grave. :p :lol:

old man
01-23-2013, 11:47 PM
lol. I agree. I thought the Gun Grave anime was just as bad as the video game; slow, monotonous and dull. My fave series from that era would have to be Outlaw Star, a series that almost everyone has seemed to have forgotten about. :(

Waterfaller
01-24-2013, 04:05 AM
The Ys OAV series actually is quite good. I'd recommend it, even if you're not a fan.

The Big-O, I love that one. LOVE the art style.

I recently watched a series called Ghost Hunt. THAT one is very interesting: three or four episodes take up a whole case, where the cast investigates reported paranormal activity. One of the cases, The Bloodstained Labyrinth, is nightmare inducing. No joke.

Armoured Priest
01-24-2013, 09:15 PM
The Ys OAV series actually is quite good. I'd recommend it, even if you're not a fan.

The Big-O, I love that one. LOVE the art style.

I recently watched a series called Ghost Hunt. THAT one is very interesting: three or four episodes take up a whole case, where the cast investigates reported paranormal activity. One of the cases, The Bloodstained Labyrinth, is nightmare inducing. No joke.


I'll mostly agree with you on Ys. The first half is pretty good, the second half (where they make Adol all angsty) is not so good. Its a little jarring considering Adol generally gets played up as a pretty decisive hero. Still, its certainly watchable, and a nice adaption of the first 2 games. Also, yeah, is fine whether you've played the games or not. To be fair I don't expect picture perfect adaptions ans its certainly one of the better video game to anime adaptions. Also, the menu screen on the DVD is a riot. :)


Might have to look into Ghost Hunt, that sounds like it might be pretty good.

old man
01-24-2013, 10:47 PM
Ghost Hunt does sound like fun. I'll have to check that one out too maybe.

Chilly Willy
01-24-2013, 11:40 PM
Ghost Hunt does sound like fun. I'll have to check that one out too maybe.

It's rather good. Don't mix up Ghost Hunt with Ghost Hound - they're VERY different series! Both are rather good, but in completely different ways. Ghost Hunt is a bit more traditional, while Ghost Hound is rather unorthodox.

zetastrike
01-25-2013, 03:21 PM
I just found out about this yesterday. I really want to see it now.

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Waterfaller
01-26-2013, 02:07 AM
Another good one (that's just recently been added to Netflix) is Requiem from the Darkness. Unique art style with lots of flat blacks for shading and generally stark color schemes.

It's a horror series, similar to Tales from the Crypt.

Hidden_Darkness
01-26-2013, 12:44 PM
I just found out about this yesterday. I really want to see it now.

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The virtua fighter anime was pretty good. unfortunately only the first 2 seasons made it over here and season 3 was never released in english because it didn't sell that well.

Robotwo
01-27-2013, 08:31 PM
One I recently heard about that I haven't started watching yet is "Aoi Sekai no Chushin de" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aoi_Sekai_no_Ch%C5%ABshin_de).
It's a very odd concept I must say.

The whole series is a re-imagining of the Sega vs Nintendo console wars as a war between the Segua Kingdom and Ninterudo Empire.

It contains characters that's supposed to represent for example Tetris, Sonic, Tails, Nei from Phantasy Star, Mario, Yoshi and Link.

Sonic Dude
01-27-2013, 08:36 PM
Sword art online is my new thing right now

bultje112
01-28-2013, 02:27 PM
I'm a fan of anime but in no ways I'm an expert. what do you generally advice me? I liked alot ghost in the shell, especially the series and I liked a lot nausica of the valley of the wind, although I liked other studio ghibli movies, as well I didn;'t like them as much as nausicaa. one of my favorites is grave of the fireflies too, but that one is jard to see a 2nd time for me

akira I liked a lot except for the ending, which is a terrible mess. in general I really dislike action or fighting in any movies. I like them to be very storyline based. I mostly like cyberpunk genre's, but also others

what would you advice me to check out?

Robotwo
01-28-2013, 06:38 PM
I'm a fan of anime but in no ways I'm an expert. what do you generally advice me? I liked alot ghost in the shell, especially the series and I liked a lot nausica of the valley of the wind, although I liked other studio ghibli movies, as well I didn;'t like them as much as nausicaa. one of my favorites is grave of the fireflies too, but that one is jard to see a 2nd time for me

akira I liked a lot except for the ending, which is a terrible mess. in general I really dislike action or fighting in any movies. I like them to be very storyline based. I mostly like cyberpunk genre's, but also others

what would you advice me to check out?

Pointed to most of these earlier as I love cyberpunk anime mostly too.
Especially the older ones, the styles are just getting too stylized over time.

> Battle Angel Alita (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1JiMJUDmqM)
Short adaption of the manga of the same name, follows a cyborg who has been rebuilt from parts found on the scrapheap where they now live.
> Armitage III (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_gAWKSUkzI)
Great anime that's sadly often overlooked, follows two individuals in a future where people hunt down robots who start becoming too human, very bladerunner'esque.
> Key the Metal Idol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN-itvpRG68)
Interesting little story about a robot girl who's creator dies and she then sets out on a quest to become human. Reminds me of a more cyberpunk'ish Edward Scissorhands.
> Neo Tokyo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9wLTSgfNOA)
Collection of 3 short stories made by different directors. Similar to 'Memories', but set more distinctively in a cyberpunk setting.
> Memories (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJELF0XGhSY)
Collection of 3 short stories made by different directors. Very different stories, a very funny one, a very artsy/propaganda'ish one and a very eerie one (shown in example).
> SELain (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmN_gYXcTH8)
One of my all-time favorites. Follows a girl whom learns of what computers can create and manipulate,
she encounters many supernatural phenomenons along the way as well as learns about her existence in the world.
> Dominion Tank Police & New Dominion Tank Police (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX_XFQ0juqw#t=0m09s)
Made by the original creator of Appleseed and Ghost in the Shell (Masamune Shirow), this one is a bit more comical in execution, but still a great little classic,
follows a brutal police squad who uses tanks. Following one in particular which probably inspired the Metal Slug.
> Patlabor: the Movie 1 & 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsMTpSDAGxM#t=0m30s)
Really well made movies about a future where exo suits and industrial mechs are the norm,
involves stuff like cyber-terrorism and somehow manages to focus a lot on the characters and their development instead of pure action, great stuff.