I grew up a NES/SNES fanboy in the 90s--but now I'm ready to get into Genesis too! :)

[Estil]

I'm fairly new to this forum but I was originally from the AtariAge and NintendoAge forums. I was born in 1980 so I had the privilege of growing up in the late 8-bit and 16-bit era (the greatest console war ever). My father got me my first NES for my 10th birthday in 1990, and as soon as I saw that first commercial for the SNES in fall of 1991 (the Super Mario World with "a little bit..." said 16 times), that's all I wanted for Christmas, and I would indeed get a SNES for Christmas--three years later.;)

But it seemed like I was in the minority among my classmates. I don't know what it was like for the rest of you who grew up in that time period, but it seemed like the Genesis was the "cooler" more popular console. I remember a few times being told "Sega has better graphics" (which of course was not true but back then there was no Internet or Wikipedia or whatever to verify) and sometimes seeing Game Gears and even a Nomad around. But I was very much pro-Nintendo through and through then and now. In 1993 I got to try out a Genesis for the first time in 1992-93 (before I got my SNES in 1994) at a Ronald McDonald House (my aunt had a premie) but at that time the only games that really appealed to me were Sonic 1 and 2 (and GreenDay was really popular for some reason too). You can tell I was used to Nintendo and Mario because I stupidly thought at first that Sonic collected coins instead of RINGS.:daze:

I just got back into classic gaming last fall and currently own just under 100 NES games, 27 SNES games, and 19 N64 games. That being said, I'm now about ready to jump into the Genesis pool. I had one at one time but I was only interested in the Sonic games at the time and sold it when Sonic Mega Collection and Sonic Adventure DX came out on the 'Cube. I want to get a Genesis 1 that's been modded to do S-video and stereo sound (red/white cables); after all if the SNES can do S-video/stereo, I want my Genesis to do the same. I also want to get a Power Base Convertor to play Master System games as well as the front loading Sega CD 1 (the top loading Sega CD 2 won't fit in my shelf and the front loader feels sturdier, not to mention I like it's boot up screen music better). And of course you can't have such a nice video game console without games, right? So here's what I plan on starting with (and what my usual online dealer charges):

GENESIS:
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(in addition to the Sonic games, I want to get the launch title and all the sports games that were featured in the original Genesis Does ad since they're only a buck or two each anyway; I also have this thing about getting each console's version of Monopoly, casino game, Wheel of Fortune, and Jeopardy version)
6-Pak: $6
Altered Beast: $4
Arnold Palmer Golf: $1
Buster Douglas Boxing: $2
Caesars Palace: $3
Columns: $2
Double Dribble: $2
Dr Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine: $3
Ecco the Dolphin: $3
Family Feud: $5
Flicky: $6
Greendog: $3
Jeopardy: $3
Joe Montana Football: $1
John Madden Football (original): $1
Klax: $5
Michael Jackson's Moonwalker: <---I hope this game is cheaper now
MLBPA Baseball: $1
Monopoly: $2
Mortal Kombat: $2
Ms Pac Man: $2
Pac Mania: $7
Paperboy: $4
Pat Riley Basketball: $1
Ristar: $9
Simpsons Bart v. Space Mutants: $6 <---I LOVE the NES version
Sonic 1: $2
Sonic 2: $2
Sonic 3: $6
Sonic & Knuckles: $5
Sonic 3D Blast: $4
Sonic Spinball: $2
Sonic Classics: $8
Super Monoco GP: $2
Star Trek Next Generation: $2<---My wife's a Trekkie
Tommy Lasorda Baseball: $1
Vectorman: $3
Vectorman 2: $4
Virtua Racing: $3
Wheel of Fortune: $2

MASTER SYSTEM:
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Casino Games: $6
Monopoly: $2
Sonic 1:
Sonic 2:
Sonic Chaos:

SEGA CD:
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Compton's Encyclopedia: $5
Jeopardy: $4
Sherlock Holmes: $6 (launch title)
Sega Classics 4 in 1 (or whatever it was called; launch title)
Sol-Feace: $3 (launch title)
Sonic CD: $12 (flagship title)
Trivial Pursuit: $3
Wheel of Fortune: $5

One thing I absolutely LOVE about collecting for the Genesis is that it's a LOT cheaper than SNES collecting--the SNES' blue chips are usually considerably more expensive (good thing I don't do RPGs!) than the Genesis' blue chip games.

[Phantar]

Hi there, and welcome about. As a fellow 1980-born, I welcome you to your decision on joining the Genesis fray ;)

You've got your eye on quite a few games there, and to a very decent price, too. If I may make some suggestions here:

- Don't pick up Sonic Classics; you're already getting Sonic 1, 2 and Dr. Robotnik individually (and cheaper, too), so there's no need to get that one as well. Plus, the lock-on-technology of Sonic & Knuckles doesn't work with Sonic classics (meaning you can't play Knuckles in Sonic 2 that way). As quantity of cartridges doesn't seem to be an issue for you, I'd suggest dropping that one from the list.

- Getting the original Joe Montana I can get behind. As for Madden, though, I'd rather pick up the '93 or '94 version, as it plays quite a lot better and is more balanced. Also, I've seen Madden '93 flying around for 1 $ as well on occasion, so you probably wouldn't pay more.

- There seem to be a few launch titles missing from your list (like Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle, Thunder Force II or Space Harrier II); what list of reference are you using when looking for launch titles?

- Chances on Moonwalker getting cheaper are, sadly, very slim - since Michael Jackson's death it has become some sort of collector's item for fans (quite a few of which probably don't even own a Genesis). Seeing as there are still a lot of Elvis-worshippers out there, it seems to me that the mourning about Michael Jackson will go on for quite a while - so the chances of that cart going down in price are very slim - celebrity worship can really take on crazy forms.

- If you love Run'n'Guns, try getting your hand on "Contra: Hard Corps" or "Gunstar Heroes", two really great titles.

I hope I could help there

[Estil]

- There seem to be a few launch titles missing from your list (like Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle, Thunder Force II or Space Harrier II); what list of reference are you using when looking for launch titles?

Well, I wanted to make sure to get THE launch game (Altered Beast--I guess I should get the SMS version too?) as well as the first console Madden game ever and the Sonic Classics (both for collectors reasons), but did they offer those others right afterward or something?

As for Moonwalker, I figured it has to be at least a little cheaper than say, right after MJ's passing. I also find it fascinating that MJ was working on the Sonic 3 music (until the 1993 scandal) and at least a couple tunes still managed to sneak into the final version of Sonic 3. Imagine if he could've finished the whole thing...

[Y2Jericho]

Looks like a good bunch of games to start off with never been a game show fan myself lol :P

[Phantar]

Well, Altered Beast was the game they packed in with the Genesis on launch, sure enough. When you said "launch titles", I thought you were referring to games available at launch; those consisted of Thunder Force II, Space Harrier II, Alex Kidd, Last Battle and Tommy Lasorda Baseball (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).

as for the "Michael Jackson working on Sonic 3" thing, that is just a legend; there has been much debate on that topic without any actual solid proof, only some sound bites that kinda sound like MJ-songs. I suggest reading this feature here http://sega-16.com/feature_page.php?id=392&title=Sega%20Legends:%20Michael%20Jackson%20&%20Sonic%203 and then keep it at that, as this topic has been discussed around here time and again (and personally I'm getting a bit tired of hearing that theory again; personally I think it's a myth).

[Elliotw2]

Well, Altered Beast was the game they packed in with the Genesis on launch, sure enough. When you said "launch titles", I thought you were referring to games available at launch; those consisted of Thunder Force II, Space Harrier II, Alex Kidd, Last Battle and Tommy Lasorda Baseball (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).

as for the "Michael Jackson working on Sonic 3" thing, that is just a legend; there has been much debate on that topic without any actual solid proof, only some sound bites that kinda sound like MJ-songs. I suggest reading this feature here http://sega-16.com/feature_page.php?id=392&title=Sega%20Legends:%20Michael%20Jackson%20&%20Sonic%203 and then keep it at that, as this topic has been discussed around here time and again (and personally I'm getting a bit tired of hearing that theory again; personally I think it's a myth).

Some UK game mag actually reviewed someone, and confirmed that he worked on the music. I'll see if I can't go dig it up.

Drop Columns from your list, you're already getting it in the 6-pak, and if you're going to get the Sonic Classics cart, you'll be having 3 copies of Sonic 1. Same thing for Sega Classics 4/5-in-1, those games are also on the 6-pak, though the CD one has (arguably) better music. Drop Greendog, it's complete trash.

[Y2Jericho]

Maybe you should consider adding some classics golden axe, shinobi, streets of rage or get them later but these are some great games :)

[Pulstar]

Good. Another Nintendo convert. Too bad it's fifteen years too late. First rule of Sega Club is that you TALK about the Sega Club.

Welcome to the club.

/clubbin

[Sega Genesis]

You have taken the first step. Now you must sell or destroy all of your nintendo games.

[oldskool]

If you grew up on NES and SNES and are a fan boy like you say, sadly I must inform you that no matter how hard you try to get into other consoles, it just won't do it for you. Because of nolstalgic reasons you'll always be drawn back to what you had as a child.

I have tried to collect for other consoles like the SNES and Turbo Grafx-16, yet I always default back to the Genesis. I can't help it. It's what I grew up on.

Not trying to persuade you to stay away or anything like that - just don't expect to be blown away and trash the rest of your collection.

Now me on the other hand, I am still blown away by the awesomeness of the Genesis, but like I was saying, I grew up with it. Got one for Christmas of 89'. It's in my DNA.

Good luck on your collecting though, you should be pleasantly surprised at the quality and fun level of the Genesis games, they are just "cool". Just make sure you don't fall into any crap that will make you turn away, as that can easily happen. Stick to the good games and you'll be happy. Make sure to Youtube anything you might be interested in, and get our opinions. Don't read the opinions of people on Youtube, usually it's just a bunch of Sega slamming Nintendo fan boys that have nothing else better to do, or never grew up on these great classics so they don't understand.

[OldSchool]

You have taken the first step. Now you must sell or destroy all of your nintendo games.

LOL


If you grew up on NES and SNES and are a fan boy like you say, sadly I must inform you that no matter how hard you try to get into other consoles, it just won't do it for you. Because of nolstalgic reasons you'll always be drawn back to what you had as a child.

I have tried to collect for other consoles like the SNES and Turbo Grafx-16, yet I always default back to the Genesis. I can't help it. It's what I grew up on.

Not trying to persuade you to stay away or anything like that - just don't expect to be blown away and trash the rest of your collection.

Now me on the other hand, I am still blown away by the awesomeness of the Genesis, but like I was saying, I grew up with it. Got one for Christmas of 89'. It's in my DNA.

Good luck on your collecting though, you should be pleasantly surprised at the quality and fun level of the Genesis games, they are just "cool". Just make sure you don't fall into any crap that will make you turn away, as that can easily happen. Stick to the good games and you'll be happy. Make sure to Youtube anything you might be interested in, and get our opinions. Don't read the opinions of people on Youtube, usually it's just a bunch of Sega slamming Nintendo fan boys that have nothing else better to do, or never grew up on these great classics so they don't understand.

You're gonna need to go ahead and cancel your account: there's only room for ONE OldSchool here, buster. :boxer:

[Christuserloeser]

I remember a few times being told "Sega has better graphics" (which of course was not true but back then there was no Internet or Wikipedia or whatever to verify)

Well, the SNES does have its advantages over the Genesis:

composite video instead of RF as the standard pack in
MUCH better composite video in comparison to even the best Genesis models
twice as many colors on screen (~50 vs ~100)
mode 7 graphics mode (and DSP chips on cartridge to enhance this effect - like in F-Zero or Mario Kart)


The Genesis however does have its advantages over the SNES too:

higher resolution (320x224 instead of 256x224)
moving around way more stuff on screen without slowdown (sprites, bg layers, "line scrolls")




Maybe you should consider adding some classics golden axe, shinobi, streets of rage or get them later but these are some great games :)

Yeah, not enough classic Sega on that list... Here are a few games that I (and probably many others) would consider absolutely essential to anyone new to the MD:

Castle of Illusion / Quackshot / World of Illusion
Thunder Force III / Thunder Force IV (aka "Lightening Force")
Streets of Rage / Streets of Rage 2 / Bare Knuckle III
Golden Axe I / II / III
Wonderboy in Monsterworld / [Monsterworld IV]
Revenge of Shinobi / Shadow Dancer / Shinobi III
Shining Force / Shining Force II / Shining Force CD
Phantasy Star II / Phantasy Star IV

[tz101]

Some that are not on your list, but are highly recommended:

Ecco - The Tides of Time (better than the first Ecco by far)
Dynamite Headdy
Super Street Fighter II
NBA Jam TE
Castle of Illusion
Aladdin

[QuickSciFi]

That's a great decision. The Genesis has so many awesome titles. Expanding on the 16-bit era will only make you richer as a gamer (metaphorically speaking, lol). A good game is a good game, no matter the console.

Like TZ101 and others have mentioned, I'd add those titles and the following:

1. Aladdin (It must be reiterated. Lol. ;)).
2. Gunstar Heroes
3. Contra: Hard Corps
4. Castlevania: Bloodlines
5. Golden Axe Series
9. Rocket Knight Adventures
10. Space Harrier II
11. Thunderforce series
12. Phantasy Star Series
13. Many exclusive Shmups
14. Many exclusive RPGs
15. Many more awesome Genny exclusives. :D

Sorry. I can't thing atm of any more Genesis exclusives that weren't on the SNES (I'm pretty sure you'd want to get multiplatform titles on the SNES over nostalgia reasons. I'd be understandble. ;)). Anyways. I hope your journey through Sega's 16-bitter is a joyful one.:D


P.S.> I don't know why assumed you'd be buying all of the ones you mentioned. Lol. But if you only had a few choices, I'd say you should add to the top of your list (including the ones we've mentioned) the following:

Sonic 1
Sonic 2
Sonic 3
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
and... at least Vectorman 1 (too awesome). :D

P.S.S.>If you can also front the extra money for a CD unit and the SMS, I'd recommend Sonic CD and the SMS Sonic titles for sure. Beyond that, there are some awesome exclusive RPGs, platformers and shmups that you should look up for both systems. :D

[tz101]

Excellent shooter that has not been mentioned, but you will not get it for cheap:

MUSHA

[chinitosoccer]

But I was very much pro-Nintendo through and through then and now.
:|


I remember a few times being told "Sega has better graphics" (which of course was not true but back then there was no Internet or Wikipedia or whatever to verify) and sometimes seeing Game Gears and even a Nomad around.

nothing has changed, you're still a nintendo fanboy, that's for sure, you are not ready for Blast procesing yet..



One thing I absolutely LOVE about collecting for the Genesis is that it's a LOT cheaper than SNES collecting--the SNES' blue chips are usually considerably more expensive (good thing I don't do RPGs!) than the Genesis' blue chip games.

Ok, Genesis cheap? I wish you good luck since the games that I'm going to name are musts for any Genesis/MD collector and all of them are very expensive and difficult to find:

MUSHA (US/JP)
Bare Knuckle III (JP)
Battle Mania Daijingou (JP)
Battle Mania (US/JP)
Slap Fight (JP)
Eliminate Down (JP)
Gleylancer (JP)
Panorama Cotton (JP)
Contra the Hard Corps (JP)

and I'm missing a lot more.

These are all great games, unlike the rare/expensive SNES ones, wich most of them are pure crap like "Donkey Kong Country Competition", "Star Fox Super Weekend" "Super Copa" and shit like that..

[Estil]

I don't do foreign (JP only) games either. I know some on here are saying it's redundant to get single copies of games like Columns, Sonic and so on, but I think the 6-pak, Sonic Classics, and whatever that 4-in-one Sega CD title is called is interesting so I'll get those in addition to the single titles for collector's reasons (yes I do much the same for my flagship collection, the NES). I'm actually a collector of classic games first. As for the one that said to drop Greenday because it sucks, I'm only getting that one because it brings back memories of when I got to try Genesis for the very first time (at a Ronald McDonald House; my aunt had a preemie) and for whatever reason, Greenday was very popular (not as popular as Sonic 1 and 2 though). And since they're all so cheap, I say why not?

BTW, is there anyway possible I could get the second version of the Power Base Convertor? That would be much easier to use than the bulky first version most people are familiar with, but the second version very seldom if ever shows up on Ebay, and as such I bet it's not cheap.

And once I get the Genesis/SMS Convertor/CD combo, I'll now be ready to play:

3rd generation: NES and Master System (with PBC)
4th generation: SNES and Genesis/Sega CD
5th generation: N64 and backwards compatable PS2 for the PS1
6th generation: PS2 and backwards compatable Wii for the 'Cube (I still must keep the 'Cube hooked up for the Game Boy Player)
7th generation: Wii

[tomaitheous]

Yup, Estil, you might as well leave. There's no love here for people that like a system that isn't Sega. :sweat: Seriously, why do some in the Sega community have to be such dicks about something that happened over 15 years ago? You figure a Sega fan would be excited that someone who never grew up with their beloved system, is now seriously checking it out. I just don't get some people. If you like one thing, then you need to bash the opposite/other 'thing' - type of mentality. It's ignorant. I'm very glad that I grew up in a multi-system house hold, and didn't have to develop any of this lame mentality/defense mechanism. Especially 15+ years later.



As for the one that said to drop Greenday because it sucks

It's Greendog. My brother had bought that game BITD, it did suck. But you're allowed to like whatever you want ;)

[Estil]

composite video instead of RF as the standard pack in
MUCH better composite video in comparison to even the best Genesis models
twice as many colors on screen (~50 vs ~100)
mode 7 graphics mode (and DSP chips on cartridge to enhance this effect - like in F-Zero or Mario Kart)


The Genesis however does have its advantages over the SNES too:

higher resolution (320x224 instead of 256x224)
moving around way more stuff on screen without slowdown (sprites, bg layers, "line scrolls")


Yeah, not enough classic Sega on that list... Here are a few games that I (and probably many others) would consider absolutely essential to anyone new to the MD:

Castle of Illusion / Quackshot / World of Illusion
Thunder Force III / Thunder Force IV (aka "Lightening Force")
Streets of Rage / Streets of Rage 2 / Bare Knuckle III
Golden Axe I / II / III
Wonderboy in Monsterworld / [Monsterworld IV]
Revenge of Shinobi / Shadow Dancer / Shinobi III
Shining Force / Shining Force II / Shining Force CD
Phantasy Star II / Phantasy Star IV


Oh yes, I knew all about the two key edges the two consoles have. Genesis has more horsepower while the SNES can handle better graphics/sound. BTW, the color palettes (respectively) are 512/64 and 32,768/256. And let me tell you, they really should've upgraded the color palette on the Sega CD to at least that of the SNES; it would've made the FMV MUCH better looking and I bet it would've caught on just a bit more.

Composite video, what's composite video? Because we have a very nice 32" Sharp Aquos HDTV, I always make sure to hook all consoles up with the best type of connection they can take. That's why I'm making sure to get a modded Genesis 1 that can take S-video and stereo sound (through red/white cables) because you could say the S-video/stereo on the SNES (which it can do standard; VERY key thing SNES is that Genesisn't ;) ) has me rather spoiled and I do NOT want to see the Genesis' "HIGH DEFINITION GRAPHICS" on lower quality composite if I don't have to. I'm sure all the Genesis veterans on here would agree that their beloved Blast Processing console deserves no less, right?

As for the games you recommended, do any need a battery backup? My usual dealer will put new batteries in the games for me when I buy them so I want to be sure I'm ready. After all, SNES fans have Mario, Zelda, Metroid, MegaMan, and Donkey Kong Country as their key exclusives, I naturally figured there had to be other franchises besides good ol' Sonic that Genesis fans loved just as much as Nintendo fans love their key franchises.

Did anyone here actually grow up in the 16-bit console wars like I did (I was in middle school at the time)? There's no question it will ALWAYS be the greatest console war in video game history; Nintendo versus Sega was just like Democrat or Republican; you were one or the other, you couldn't be both (unless you or your parents were VERY rich).

And to the guy who warned me about falling back on what I grew up with, that's very true. I'll always be an NES game collector first; the other consoles I'm perfectly content with the top blue chips (and personal favorites and whatever else I think is really unique/interesting). Though if I'm starting with exactly 40 Genesis games, and I only have 27 SNES games, maybe I should look for 13 more SNES games to balance it out? ;)

Too bad I can't do 32X...

[Estil]

Yup, Estil, you might as well leave. There's no love here for people that like a system that isn't Sega. :sweat: Seriously, why do some in the Sega community have to be such dicks about something that happened over 15 years ago? You figure a Sega fan would be excited that someone who never grew up with their beloved system, is now seriously checking it out. I just don't get some people. If you like one thing, then you need to bash the opposite/other 'thing' - type of mentality. It's ignorant. I'm very glad that I grew up in a multi-system house hold, and didn't have to develop any of this lame mentality/defense mechanism. Especially 15+ years later.

It's Greendog. My brother had bought that game BITD, it did suck. But you're allowed to like whatever you want ;)

I'm pretty sure they're just kidding around. Now if forums and the Internet were around back in the actual 16-bit era, it would most definitely be a much more cut throat and partisan atmosphere for both sides. They didn't call it the greatest console war for nothing.

[Christuserloeser]

I don't do foreign (JP only) games either.

Your loss not mine. =P


Oh yes, I knew all about the two key edges the two consoles have. Genesis has more horsepower while the SNES can handle better graphics/sound.

Um, no, it does not have better graphics per se, and it certainly does not have better sound, but you'll figure this out yourself eventually.


BTW, the color palettes (respectively) are 512/64 and 32,768/256.

No, that's what I thought too but the colors in use are more like 50-60 for Genesis and ~100 on SNES.



Composite video, what's composite video?

The yellow plug that came with your SNES.

It produces fairly decent video if the RGB encoder built into the hardware is good. Sadly it isn't too hot on the Genesis.


Because we have a very nice 32" Sharp Aquos HDTV, I always make sure to hook all consoles up with the best type of connection they can take.

Get an RGB-SCART cable and a component converter or HDMI converter. Search these forums for recommendations.


As for the games you recommended, do any need a battery backup?

Wonderboy in Monsterworld and Monsterworld IV uses EEPROM saving (like Sonic 3 does IIRC).

Shining Force and Phantasy Star might use battery backup though.



After all, SNES fans have Mario, Zelda, Metroid, MegaMan, and Donkey Kong Country as their key exclusives, I naturally figured there had to be other franchises besides good ol' Sonic that Genesis fans loved just as much as Nintendo fans love their key franchises.

Yeah, the games listed are the Mega Drive equivalents to the SNES' Mario/Zelda/Metroid franchises.


I'll always be an NES game collector first

I absolutely love the NES and I like the SNES too. Especially the Mario games and Final Fight 2+3.


Too bad I can't do 32X...

32X isn't worth it anyway.

I am sure you'll be pretty happy with the PBC and SCD though.

[oldskool]

Hey I've seen you around on other forums, and everywhere I've seen you, you signed up earlier this year. While I am new here, I have been "oldskool" on all :rock:the forums for years now. In fact, you probably seen my name on the other forums and got your idea. I refuse to change my name, so whatchu think bout' dat!? :D


LOL



You're gonna need to go ahead and cancel your account: there's only room for ONE OldSchool here, buster. :boxer:

[ApolloBoy]

Yup, Estil, you might as well leave. There's no love here for people that like a system that isn't Sega. :sweat: Seriously, why do some in the Sega community have to be such dicks about something that happened over 15 years ago? You figure a Sega fan would be excited that someone who never grew up with their beloved system, is now seriously checking it out. I just don't get some people. If you like one thing, then you need to bash the opposite/other 'thing' - type of mentality. It's ignorant. I'm very glad that I grew up in a multi-system house hold, and didn't have to develop any of this lame mentality/defense mechanism. Especially 15+ years later.
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tomaitheous again."

Dammit.

[ShadowDancer]

welcome to the next level... :) my advice scour the flea markets man... lots of treasures to be found for next to nothing

[tomaitheous]

I'm pretty sure they're just kidding around.

Well, I was half speaking in general. But you'll come to know the hardcore fans from the more open minded gamers ;)



Did anyone here actually grow up in the 16-bit console wars like I did (I was in middle school at the time)? There's no question it will ALWAYS be the greatest console war in video game history; Nintendo versus Sega was just like Democrat or Republican; you were one or the other, you couldn't be both (unless you or your parents were VERY rich).

I had both, wasn't rich (far,far,far from it), and even had the "independent" party's system (TTi Duo) :D I think the console war mentality was more of you younger gamers. I was in high school when the SNES came out.


That's why I'm making sure to get a modded Genesis 1 that can take S-video

I've seen pics of captured s-video and it looks fantastic. It's definitely worth getting if you don't want to spend the cash on an RGB to component converter (I assumed you live in N/A or some NTSC region).


Dammit.
That's the man trying to keep me down (Melf). Keep me under his thumb, "that rat-bastard tomaitheous!".


Oh yes, I knew all about the two key edges the two consoles have. Genesis has more horsepower while the SNES can handle better graphics/sound. BTW, the color palettes (respectively) are 512/64 and 32,768/256. And let me tell you, they really should've upgraded the color palette on the Sega CD to at least that of the SNES; it would've made the FMV MUCH better looking and I bet it would've caught on just a bit more.

Despite the large difference there, you'll see that there are some amazing looking graphics in Genesis games (color wise, everything else graphics wise the Genesis doesn't hold back). Anyway, I think you'll come to really enjoy this system and its large library of games.

[Estil]

Oh I have no doubt whatsoever the Genesis has some beautiful works of art graphically, such as the Sonic games (my favorite Genesis Sonic by far is Sonic 3 & Knuckles). And there's Virtua Racing which is the Genesis' version of StarFox (in the sense that both are each console's first attempt at simple 3D polygon graphics).

[JRedmond3]

"If you grew up on NES and SNES and are a fan boy like you say, sadly I must inform you that no matter how hard you try to get into other consoles, it just won't do it for you. Because of nolstalgic reasons you'll always be drawn back to what you had as a child."

I disagree. You're right to an extent, but aside from the Genesis I'm starting to get into the Turbo Grafx/CD quite a bit. I think the transition from NES/SNES to Sega is better than vice-versa because if you're collecting games, the Genesis is a much cheaper system to buy for. Whereas complete SNES games are sort of a pain to look(and pay) for. Also, they're from the same era so it's more or less like you're getting to go back and play the games you read about in magazines, saw on TV, and played at your friend's house.

[Pulstar]

As a mild retro enthusiast I must say there's little on 8-bit consoles that interests me, whereas I would find a far easier time adjusting to 16-bit games. Some are more nostalgic to the pixelated 8-bit look but I for one would like more 16-bit style remakes and homages.

[Smii]

8-bit consoles vary. There's quite a few games on the SMS/GG I can enjoy, but I have a difficult time finding NES*/GB games worth playing (most decent 8-bit Nintendo games came out fairly late on, imo).

As for the 16-bit war - meh. I don't recall anyone ever particularly caring when I was at school - various friends/acquaintances had GBs, Amigas - most had MDs, but there was no real "fanboyism" - I'm pretty sure that was just a media created thing. (That said, I didn't know anyone else who had a snes ;) )

I personally grew up with SNES and MD (iirc, Snes was purchased, and my dad won MD/MCD & selection of games in a competition :) ) and so the games I like the most are spread across both systems (+ a couple of GG ones).
Now I only "collect" for MD/CD though (occasional Nintendo/other games purchased if I like the look of them) - perhaps this is purely because there were far more decent looking cheap Sega games to be found when I got back in to gaming (now with added "retro" tag! :P) + I always had more Sega games anyway? I'm really not sure, neither certain why I'm waffling on anyway. But there y'go - blah.

(*Why do so many people collect for nes anyway - is it just because of nostalgia, or am I actually missing something?)

[Pulstar]

http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/Image/nintendo_fan.jpg

The poster child for Nintendo fandom. Kinda explains it doesn't it (please don't kill me!) http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9957/nervous.gif

[Christuserloeser]

Why do so many people collect for nes anyway - is it just because of nostalgia, or am I actually missing something?

I'm not a NES collector but I am having a hard time resisting the charm of games like Little Samson or Duck Tales.

[OldSchool]

Ok, Genesis cheap? I wish you good luck since the games that I'm going to name are musts for any Genesis/MD collector and all of them are very expensive and difficult to find:

* MUSHA (US/JP)
* Bare Knuckle III (JP)
Battle Mania Daijingou (JP)
Battle Mania (US/JP)
Slap Fight (JP)
Eliminate Down (JP)
Gleylancer (JP)
Panorama Cotton (JP)
* Contra the Hard Corps (JP)

and I'm missing a lot more.

These are all great games, unlike the rare/expensive SNES ones, wich most of them are pure crap like "Donkey Kong Country Competition", "Star Fox Super Weekend" "Super Copa" and shit like that..

OP, if you're not interested in VC on Wii, then ignore my suggestions:


I think Gleylancer is on VC, Musha and Streets of Rage 3 are both on VC for $8 each... fuck paying some loony bastard $80+ for Musha and spending $40+ on SOR3 is up to you, I decided to go the cheaper route. Contra shouldn't run you more than $12-15 for one in decent shape.

I've never heard of the other games but I imagine they're easily ignored.


(*Why do so many people collect for nes anyway - is it just because of nostalgia, or am I actually missing something?)

Because there are a lot of quality games on that system... duh.

[promking]

[QUOTE=OldSchool;264044]OP, if you're not interested in VC on Wii, then ignore my suggestions:

I've never heard of the other games but I imagine they're easily ignored.

Because Oldschool hasn't heard of the games, don't even bother looking into them... :confused:

[Y2Jericho]

http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/Image/nintendo_fan.jpg

The poster child for Nintendo fandom. Kinda explains it doesn't it (please don't kill me!) http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9957/nervous.gif

Isn't that the angry video game nerd?

[Estil]

Well folks, a couple weeks ago I did finally get my new rig and the following software:

GENESIS:
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Sonic 1
Sonic 2
Sonic 3
Sonic & Knuckles
Sonic 3D Blast
Sonic Spinball
Sonic Classics
Dr Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine
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Altered Beast (launch title)
Columns (Sega's answer to Tetris)
Arnold Palmer Golf
Buster Douglas Boxing
Joe Montana Football
Pat Riley Basketball
Super Monoco GP
Tommy Lasorda Baseball
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6-Pak
Double Dribble
Ecco the Dolphin
Greendog
Jeopardy
John Madden Football (original)
Klax
MLBPA Baseball
Monopoly
Mortal Kombat
Ms Pac Man
Pac Mania
Paperboy
Simpsons Bart v. Space Mutants
Star Trek Next Generation
Vectorman
Vectorman 2
Virtua Racing
Wheel of Fortune

(also wanted to get Flicky and Ristar from Sonic Mega Collection but the dealer was all out)

Master System:
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Casino
Monopoly
(also wanted to get the three Sonic games but the dealer was all out)

Sega CD:
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LAUNCH TITLES: Sol-Feace, Sherlock Holmes, Sega Classics
FLAGSHIP TITLE: Sonic CD
Compton's Picture Encyclopedia
Jeopardy
Trivial Pursuit
Wheel of Fortune

Though as I explained in detail here:
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13948

I was a bit disappointed at first that for some reason, my S-video modded Genesis didn't look nearly as good (some of the colors had some weird patterns) as my S-video (standard) SNES. But as kool kitty and others have helped point out, luckily it's not the fault of the console/mod, the Genesis actually does that (I think they called it "dithering") on purpose because as you all know, LCD HDTV's didn't exist back then--they created the games with the expectation that people would be playing them on a CRT TV, and thus the Genesis took much more full advantage of that fact than the SNES did.

Another surprising issue I didn't expect was that four of the cartridges I got wouldn't fit into the Genesis 1 properly--they're a bit fatter (you can easily tell by the groove on top) than standard cartridges (and are labeled Made in Mexico). I found out that Majesto (the same ones that rereleased the Game Gear in 2001) did these as rereleases and no doubt made them with the Genesis 2 in mind. Unfortunately, the dealer couldn't swap two of the four, and thus I'm missing Family Feud and Caesars Palace (I already have the SNES versions but still I thought it would've been fun to have the Genesis versions to go with it).

One last thing, on my NES collection, I'm trying to collect the "black box thirty" (I'm three short) and keep them sorted seperately on my shelf from the other NES titles. I kinda did the same with my Genesis cartridges as shown above. Obviously I got all the Sonics covered but does the Genesis have a version of the "black box thirty" also? I did manage to get all the titles (especially the "original Genesis sports games"?) mentioned in that one "Genesis Does!" ad. ;)

Now all I have to wait for is the spare AC Adapter to arrive and I'll get to try out the Sega CD! :) I feel like I'm missing one pack-in game though...

PS: And if it makes the anti-Nintendo people that replied in this thread feel any better, my Genesis collection does now (for the moment at least) outnumber my SNES collection--35 Genesis games vs. 27 SNES games. ;)

[WaverBoy]

Maybe you should consider adding some classics golden axe, shinobi, streets of rage or get them later but these are some great games :)

Those games are all on his list already; they're on the 6-Pak.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

I know it's a bit late, but if you are an NES collector you might want to take a look at some Genesis ports of NES classics such as Battletoads and Double Dragon.

[Defolto]

You have taken the first step. Now you must sell or destroy all of your nintendo games.

:rofl: As big of a Genesis fan as I am I still love Nintendo myself.

[Defolto]

Those games are all on his list already; they're on the 6-Pak.

Yes, and compilations of games such as the 6-pak are great for genesis starters

[synapse]

Well, the SNES does have its advantages over the Genesis:

[list] composite video instead of RF as the standard pack in


Not if you get a japanese Mega Drive :P

[TmEE]

and French MDs came only with SCART as much as I know, completely omitting RF and composhit :P

[Estil]

Those games are all on his list already; they're on the 6-Pak.

Well, you've seen my "collecting style" so I'll certainly at some point get the "singles" as well. There is that one early motorcycle game that looks good too (the name escapes me at the moment but it's kinda like the motorcycle equivalent of Super Monaco GP; perhaps the Genesis' answer to the NES's Excitebike???)

[Christuserloeser]

A lot of games were made because the designers felt like making them. They're not "answers to xyz" or rip offs or clones or whatever, they're actually just games the designers wanted to make.

I think you're referring to Super Hang-On. A game people seem to either love or hate it, with little inbetween. It's a port of an arcade game from 1986 (a sequel to that game actually). Now said arcade game might be loosely inspired by Excitebike (it would be correct to assume neither one nor the other) but it got nothing in common with that game at all except for them both being racing games featuring bikes instead of cars.

[InexactQuotient]

One last thing, on my NES collection, I'm trying to collect the "black box thirty" (I'm three short) and keep them sorted seperately on my shelf from the other NES titles. I kinda did the same with my Genesis cartridges as shown above. Obviously I got all the Sonics covered but does the Genesis have a version of the "black box thirty" also?

I just did a google & wikipedia search for "black box thirty", and nothing came up. What does it refer to, exactly?

[Estil]

I just did a google & wikipedia search for "black box thirty", and nothing came up. What does it refer to, exactly?

In the earliest days of the NES, the games were released with black labels with a pixelated picture of the game. And of course they came in matching black boxes, hence the name. And it just so happens there's exactly 30 of those games--hence the term "black box thirty". :)

In the first couple years or so of the Genesis, they did put those games/labels in a distinctive black grid label/pattern--the complete opposite of the white grid box of the Master System games. But there's probably way more of those.

[kool kitty89]

and French MDs came only with SCART as much as I know, completely omitting RF and composhit :P
Yep, done to save on cost. ;) They did that for the SMS2 as well, of course they could afford to do that for France as SCART was mandated. (vs the UK especially which still had RF only TVs pretty common from what I understand -even up to the mid 90s hence the N64 shipping with an RF adapter in the UK instead of composite as with the US)

They opted for composite instead of RF on the JP NES2, but we got RF... (and no RGB or S-video even as it's composite native and not even Y/C pins of some others like the Atari 8-bit and C64)

When they went with the SNES2 they dropped to composite only like the AV famicom in that case (omitting the RGB connections unlike the Genesis 2 or even 3), but I'm not sure if that was different for France. (for that matter, I'm not sure if the french N64 got RGB or not, it would really seem like the cheapest option for any France-specific revision to be cut to nothing but RGB video, at least for anything RGB native -I think composite is integral to the SCART standard as well, so that's foolproof too -ie the French NES2 could have been SCART only and omit RF)

[gamegenie]

Yup, Estil, you might as well leave. There's no love here for people that like a system that isn't Sega. :sweat: Seriously, why do some in the Sega community have to be such dicks about something that happened over 15 years ago? You figure a Sega fan would be excited that someone who never grew up with their beloved system, is now seriously checking it out. I just don't get some people. If you like one thing, then you need to bash the opposite/other 'thing' - type of mentality. It's ignorant. I'm very glad that I grew up in a multi-system house hold, and didn't have to develop any of this lame mentality/defense mechanism. Especially 15+ years later.


http://www.systemwars.com/forums/images/smilies/kissing.gif

[gamegenie]

i don't hate SNES, I just haven't had the need to ever own one ever since it was passed up for the NES during the X-mas shopping season of '91. SNES was sold out, and my parents didn't want go empty handed out of the store so they left with a NES & SMB/DH .


It wouldn't be till the 2000s when I finally got to try SMW thanks to PC roms and emulators.

I'm satisfied starting with NES and going to Genesis and then PlayStation and so fourth.

[InexactQuotient]

In the earliest days of the NES, the games were released with black labels with a pixelated picture of the game. And of course they came in matching black boxes, hence the name. And it just so happens there's exactly 30 of those games--hence the term "black box thirty". :)

In the first couple years or so of the Genesis, they did put those games/labels in a distinctive black grid label/pattern--the complete opposite of the white grid box of the Master System games. But there's probably way more of those.

That would be putting it mildly. Yeah, Genesis doesn't really have an equivalent to that.

[TmEE]

Yep, done to save on cost. ;) They did that for the SMS2 as well, of course they could afford to do that for France as SCART was mandated. (vs the UK especially which still had RF only TVs pretty common from what I understand -even up to the mid 90s hence the N64 shipping with an RF adapter in the UK instead of composite as with the US)

They opted for composite instead of RF on the JP NES2, but we got RF... (and no RGB or S-video even as it's composite native and not even Y/C pins of some others like the Atari 8-bit and C64)

When they went with the SNES2 they dropped to composite only like the AV famicom in that case (omitting the RGB connections unlike the Genesis 2 or even 3), but I'm not sure if that was different for France. (for that matter, I'm not sure if the french N64 got RGB or not, it would really seem like the cheapest option for any France-specific revision to be cut to nothing but RGB video, at least for anything RGB native -I think composite is integral to the SCART standard as well, so that's foolproof too -ie the French NES2 could have been SCART only and omit RF)

French NES systems had a composhit to RGB transcoder in them, and N64s had different video encoder that had RGB left intact (some early USA machines have RGB capable encoders too).

The French MDs did have CXA1145 in them, but it was only used for one thing, which is buffering the Csync signal...
And this setup is incompatible with 32X unless there's a special cable used or MD1 getting a simple 2 wire mod.
I need to document that mod... I took pics and stuff...

[Mordan]

I will keep my message simple

Get Alien Soldier and The Adventure of Batman and Robin on a Model I with stereo jacked.

unique experience to be played with a sega pad, not the crappy emulation on the Wii with stupid white pads or remotes or fucktard 4 buttons pads

piece of art never to be reached again by any. total ownage. The MegaDrive is for the big boys.

nough said.

[kool kitty89]

French NES systems had a composhit to RGB transcoder in them, and N64s had different video encoder that had RGB left intact (some early USA machines have RGB capable encoders too).

The French MDs did have CXA1145 in them, but it was only used for one thing, which is buffering the Csync signal...
And this setup is incompatible with 32X unless there's a special cable used or MD1 getting a simple 2 wire mod.
I need to document that mod... I took pics and stuff...
So was it an actual transcoder from the normal PPU's composite to RGB, or did they use the RGB based PPU like in the arcade (Playchoice)? (from what I understand, the Playchoice PPU used an actual remapped RGB palette like the Master System did for the composite/YCbCr palette used in the SG-1000's TMS9918 derivative -hence the colors being slightly off from the SG-1000 palette, though 6-bit RGB seems to approximate the 15 TMS colors pretty well -sort of a lucky break as you could have other YCbCr palettes that would not work well at all in 6-bit RGB -with some 8-bit computers it's not even addressed with 9-bit RGB or even 12-bit RGB to some extent -especially with the broad palette Atari used)

As for the N64, I thought most/all US models had RGB capable encoders, but few (if any) actually connected those lines on the AV port. (but making it relatively simple to mod if you can solder well -but the good S-video quality and other fidlign required for RGB/component in the US sort of mitigates the need -hell, even composite is pretty nice on the N64, at least for the low-res stuff and a good TV -the few high-res games are worse with artifacting)