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ooXxXoo
11-05-2011, 08:40 PM
Anyone else following this:

http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg2297.jpg
http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg2295.jpg

http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg2294.jpg
http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg2299.jpg
http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg2298.jpg

modding process pics :shock:
http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg.html
http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg2.html
http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg3.html
http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg4.html
http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg5.html
http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg6.html
http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg7.html
http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg8.html
http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg9.html
http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg10.html

20,000 Yen ...Worth every penny if you ask me :ok:



Quick thanks to Cyberquake from the NSG forums, milesprower and my friend Giga for this info..

Barone
11-05-2011, 08:42 PM
Rep'ed for the freakin information!!!!!!!!!!

KnightWarrior
11-05-2011, 08:43 PM
That looks sweet

puddingdragon
11-05-2011, 08:49 PM
this is so awesome

ooXxXoo
11-05-2011, 08:53 PM
Av, s-video and RGB output :shock: ...

Mark III cartridge converter included .... :yum:


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Kamahl
11-05-2011, 08:58 PM
That looks totally awesome

GohanX
11-05-2011, 09:00 PM
Bad ass.

QuickSciFi
11-05-2011, 09:01 PM
And here I sat thinking there would be no one to grant us this awesomeness. This is exactly what I've been wanting for a long time now. I almost paid for someone to mod a GameGear myself. This thing is every bit as I dreamed it would be... and more!

KnightWarrior
11-05-2011, 09:03 PM
How can you fit the Game Genie or a PAR in there??

ItellYaHuat
11-05-2011, 09:03 PM
I saw the original thread on SMS power but everything was posted in Japanese but the pics told me enough. :)

Baloo
11-05-2011, 09:38 PM
Damn, that is awesome!

ApolloBoy
11-05-2011, 09:56 PM
Holy shit I want one in the worst way.

Bastardcat
11-05-2011, 10:06 PM
Awwwwwwwwww its so cute and tiny!
Whose a cute widdle console?

sheath
11-05-2011, 10:09 PM
20,000 yen, $256? Hmm, so very tempting but not for the indefinite future.

ApolloBoy
11-05-2011, 10:14 PM
20,000 yen, $256? Hmm, so very tempting but not for the indefinite future.
Considering the sheer amount of labor and time he put into it, that's not too bad.

sheath
11-05-2011, 10:16 PM
Considering the sheer amount of labor and time he put into it, that's not too bad.

No joke, I'd be more excited about getting this than anything the next generation of consoles could possibly offer me, especially with an Everdrive GG. I'm just not going to be able to swing it indefinitely. :(

Ace
11-05-2011, 10:27 PM
Oh... my... God...

I WANT ONE!!! :D:cool: Hats off to the modder; that is just insane.

Bastardcat
11-05-2011, 10:29 PM
Yes! Be silent, and readily accept my currency!

eddiespruce
11-05-2011, 10:50 PM
Awesome! Too bad I don't have any money right now.:(

omp
11-05-2011, 11:26 PM
Hellyeah that is neat!

I like his backlight mod as well, similar to the NDSi one I have done.

QuickSciFi
11-05-2011, 11:45 PM
I'm a bit confused, though; is this something some modder in Japan is making available on his site?

omp
11-05-2011, 11:51 PM
Looking at the home page I don't think he (or she) is a "modder" in the loose term. I think they are a business that has access to all sorts of wonderful machinery. But having a look at the home page it says (via babelfish converter) "Pleasant idea being found, it produced mono and so on it has introduced" So maybe it is a one off? Be tops if it would go into production though. They would probably make moulds etc for the case.

My only suggestion for this console and it is rather meaningless is a 2nd controller port would have been the key.

This makes my consolized GG look like shit......

I am working on another GG myself hopefully I get it to work as I hope.

16-bit
11-05-2011, 11:53 PM
This is, by far, the coolest thing I've seen in months!

QuickSciFi
11-05-2011, 11:59 PM
This is, by far, the coolest thing I've seen in months!
I'm with you. Although, for me, it's 'years'. :)

ThugsRook
11-06-2011, 12:02 AM
that is fuckin awesome :cool:

j_factor
11-06-2011, 12:10 AM
It doesn't look like it's actually for sale.

KnightWarrior
11-06-2011, 01:50 AM
Are they planning to make a run with it and sell it??

Da_Shocker
11-06-2011, 08:21 AM
Nice now can they please make a Neptune?

TmEE
11-06-2011, 09:07 AM
Now that's awesome :D

NeoVamp
11-06-2011, 10:35 AM
I'm watering from the mouth here, Flashcart + that translated Shining Force rom + this = Happy Vamp.

Bit pricey though, if it was like $125 I'd have bought one.

Josh
11-06-2011, 11:23 AM
That's a very impressive looking home console system.

From,
Josh

Barracuda
11-06-2011, 11:30 AM
Wow! That is awesome!

goldenband
11-06-2011, 01:39 PM
Beautiful work!

Not to dampen everyone's enthusiasm, but as far as I can tell (through a Google Translate veil) the modder is definitely not interested in selling these -- see here (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ja&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~mgs1987/sega/gg10.html) ("Absolutely not make even a newly commissioned.") or here (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ja&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.lcv.ne.jp/~aiaki/mail.html). The translation of the second one is ambiguous, it might mean that he'd be willing to make another one for big bucks, or not.

KnightWarrior
11-06-2011, 01:53 PM
You crushed my hopes..but again, I don't have $200 + to spend on it

I'll bet he get alot of e-mail asking are you sellling it

The Jackal
11-06-2011, 03:04 PM
Wow! That is awesome!

Awesome!

that is fuckin awesome

Now that's awesome

this is so awesome

That looks totally awesome

And here I sat thinking there would be no one to grant us this awesomeness.

Damn, that is awesome!
Agreed.

omp
11-06-2011, 03:11 PM
It would even be great if it was sold as a kit. You get everything sans gg motherboard and you put it together yourself. Essentially you supply your own gg. But I understand such a limited run for moulds and video out boards would be pricey.

Da_Shocker
11-06-2011, 04:28 PM
YouTube member TheLonghornEngineer has created a video about the Sega Neptune and a "How to" guide has been made by that person if you want to build one. Here are the links.


"How to" link:

http://longhornengineer.com/diy/neptunehowto/


Sega Neptune (Version 2) video footage (video by TheLonghornEngineer):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=050BeCOXnFQ

I mean the real thing not a modded Genesis II

TheSonicRetard
11-06-2011, 04:40 PM
I will easily, EASILY pay 20,000 yen for this. Who do I pay?

EDIT: I'm dead serious, too. I've payed over $1000 for a single game before. I would absolutely throw wads of cash at someone to build me this.

KnightWarrior
11-07-2011, 04:42 PM
How about a Dual Master System/Game Gear Console

The Case would based off the Model 1 SMS, But with a Cart Port of the Game Gear, Of cource with the GG hardware

Zz Badnusty
11-07-2011, 05:29 PM
Super Fighter Team or Hyperkin, or someone needs to get on this and have one of their manufacturers put these out for public availability!

TrekkiesUnite118
11-07-2011, 06:03 PM
The only downside is that you need to butcher a Game Gear to make it.

Breetai
11-07-2011, 06:39 PM
want, Want, WANT

Want

want

want

want

want

ほし

ほし

ほし

ほし

ほし

ほし

ほし

ほし

ほし

ほし

ほし

私はこれものがすごいほし。。。

I WANT THIS!

QuickSciFi
11-08-2011, 07:53 PM
For the love of god, don't let this thread die-out before we get all the ordering info.

theredlineboss
11-08-2011, 08:19 PM
Wow, that's nicely done! Now we just need for it to be mass produced. ;)

-Rob

sheath
11-08-2011, 08:29 PM
I suggest we start a party. Since tea and red and green are taken, we will call it the Master System party. We will hold "peaceful" congregations in front of major manufacturing companies that have no power whatsoever to produce this for us. Then we will get shot in the face by rubber bullets to make a point.

QuickSciFi
11-08-2011, 08:39 PM
Now, see? I just gave you rep. Why do you have to come-up with something else even more awesome?

sheath
11-08-2011, 09:05 PM
My secret power is to come up with ideas either too early or too late. I learned this skill from Sega.

MN12BIRD
11-08-2011, 09:07 PM
OMFG that's sweet! How long till the Chinese see this and start cheap mass production? That's just beautiful.

QuickSciFi
11-08-2011, 09:09 PM
OMFG that's sweet! How long till the Chinese see this and start cheap mass production? That's just beautiful.

Hopefully not too long. I've been talking to a friend about it and I've come to the conclusion that, in part, this modder (if at least brilliant) is aiming to make every inch of this public so that it can become mainstream asap.

omp
11-09-2011, 01:54 AM
Hey wanna see me get banned?

Get atgames do do this!

Let the hate mail roll in......

Of course I jest, I would be happy enough as I said if it was a kit. Allthough I do have a spare sms case and spare gg video board to re-visit my consolized gg.....

Deo
11-09-2011, 02:10 AM
Of course I jest, I would be happy enough as I said if it was a kit.

Same here. Shave a hundred bucks or so off the price by just offering the board.

ooXxXoo
11-09-2011, 08:16 PM
At this point, I'll be happy just to get the shell and the packing material :love: ...



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kool kitty89
11-09-2011, 10:16 PM
The only downside is that you need to butcher a Game Gear to make it.
That is unless someone develops a clone ASIC version of the GG . . . (that hasn't been done yet, right?).
Though given the existing MD/SMS clone hardware, it shouldn't require too much modification to GG spec. (the main differences are in the palette/color DACs and BIOS iirc -plus the stereo PSG)


Since they went through the trouble of producing professional plastic molded cases and controllers (and packaging), I'd imagine they'd go beyond hacking up old GGs for production.

Guntz
11-09-2011, 11:12 PM
If ever these consoles see a real production run, I'll be one of the first in line. :)

Gogogadget
11-10-2011, 02:46 PM
May just learn how to do this and butcher a GG with a broken screen.

Looks great, imo.

zetastrike
11-10-2011, 09:13 PM
This is cool and all, but doesn't the Master System kind of nullify this thing's existance? It already has most of the GG's games and it displays them at the right size on a TV screen. I'd rather someone make a new GG handheld with a better screen that takes carts or SD.

QuickSciFi
11-10-2011, 09:22 PM
^That would be neat and all, but there are exclusives on the Game Gear (w/ lots of extra colors) a lot of us want to see on the big screen.

jerry coeurl
11-10-2011, 09:22 PM
The Game Gear has quite a few unique titles, and honestly I would love to own one again but it's a shame that the casing is so crappy and it's so prone to capacitor failure. I think one of these would be a great option for playing the few Game Gear games that I do have.

Guntz
11-10-2011, 11:41 PM
The Game Gear has quite a few unique titles, and honestly I would love to own one again but it's a shame that the casing is so crappy and it's so prone to capacitor failure. I think one of these would be a great option for playing the few Game Gear games that I do have.

You know, GG video caps are very easy to replace (sound board is kinda tricky though, tight space and all the caps are SMD), so really the only problem with the Game Gear is it's screen. How is the casing bad?

xelement5x
11-11-2011, 10:42 AM
Yeah, many people mistakenly think that all a Game Gear is, is a handheld SMS. It does have support for almost all master system games, but it's specs exceed that of the SMS and there are unique titles (ie-Sonic Triple Trouble) made only for the Game Gear.

jerry coeurl
11-11-2011, 03:30 PM
You know, GG video caps are very easy to replace (sound board is kinda tricky though, tight space and all the caps are SMD), so really the only problem with the Game Gear is it's screen. How is the casing bad?

I have no soldering experience so it wouldn't be easy for me to replace! The casing is bulky (you ever tried to put one in your pocket?), and the buttons and d-pad are mushy crap compared to the Game Boy. And yeah, I guess the screen sucks too. Thanks for reminding me. And the battery life is pretty much crap, so if you're going to be using a Game Gear, it's likely that you're gonna be playing it while it's plugged into the way anyway. So a consolized Game Gear makes perfect sense to me. If I'm gonna be tethered to a wall, I might as well be gaming on a TV screen.

That's the way I see it, at least.

edit: and don't mistake my dislike of the Game Gear hardware as hatred of the console, I think the GG has a rather large number of great exclusives that I would love to own. Which makes it all the more frustrating that the device that they are designed to play on is so shoddily constructed. I still have a small collection of complete GG games that I couldn't bear to part with (especially Sonic Drift 2 & Sonic Triple Trouble), and I'm just waiting for someone to put together a decent consolized one so I can play them again.

TheSonicRetard
11-11-2011, 09:00 PM
I have no soldering experience so it wouldn't be easy for me to replace! The casing is bulky (you ever tried to put one in your pocket?), and the buttons and d-pad are mushy crap compared to the Game Boy. And yeah, I guess the screen sucks too. Thanks for reminding me. And the battery life is pretty much crap, so if you're going to be using a Game Gear, it's likely that you're gonna be playing it while it's plugged into the way anyway. So a consolized Game Gear makes perfect sense to me. If I'm gonna be tethered to a wall, I might as well be gaming on a TV screen.

That's the way I see it, at least.

edit: and don't mistake my dislike of the Game Gear hardware as hatred of the console, I think the GG has a rather large number of great exclusives that I would love to own. Which makes it all the more frustrating that the device that they are designed to play on is so shoddily constructed. I still have a small collection of complete GG games that I couldn't bear to part with (especially Sonic Drift 2 & Sonic Triple Trouble), and I'm just waiting for someone to put together a decent consolized one so I can play them again.

I wouldn't doubt that if you asked around you could find some people who would be willing to do a tv-out mod on a game gear for you at a price. Such mods are not as rare as you'd think, and you could play your game gear on a TV as thought it was a console.

QuickSciFi
11-11-2011, 09:12 PM
Yeah, many people mistakenly think that all a Game Gear is, is a handheld SMS. It does have support for almost all master system games, but it's specs exceed that of the SMS and there are unique titles (ie-Sonic Triple Trouble) made only for the Game Gear.

Yup. The Game Gear hardware far supersedes any mainstream 8-bit iteration of its time. It could've been the last of its sort (I don't know, maybe the GB color, if you think about it), but it went out with a bang. I love the NES and the SMS, but the Game Gear just puts both systems to shame. I sure hope one day we'll all get to enjoy some of these games to their full extent, as the devs would've wanted. Crystal Warriors just became one of my favorite games recently. I know there's more. Hopefully there's someone out there that could give us something like this.

Dirt Ball Gamer
11-12-2011, 01:56 AM
I would definitely snag one if they start selling them. Thats just awesome.

TmEE
11-12-2011, 05:02 AM
Yeah, many people mistakenly think that all a Game Gear is, is a handheld SMS. It does have support for almost all master system games, but it's specs exceed that of the SMS and there are unique titles (ie-Sonic Triple Trouble) made only for the Game Gear.

It IS an handheld SMS, it does not exceed SMS in any place whatsoever, besides wider palette and sound LR control, all else is still same and don't make GG any better than SMS...

ItellYaHuat
11-12-2011, 05:27 AM
Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the resolution on the Game Gear is lower. See the Sonic games side by side. Can't go back to the GG versions after playing the MS versions.

TmEE
11-12-2011, 06:11 AM
Yes, res is much lower too, 160x144 (same as Gameboy I think) vs 256 x 192/224/240 (224 and 240 only work in 50Hz and on certain SMS versions.... such a mess)

Black_Tiger
11-12-2011, 04:06 PM
I'd still take SMS res + SMS palette over GG res + GG palette any day.

Guntz
11-12-2011, 08:47 PM
I have no soldering experience so it wouldn't be easy for me to replace! The casing is bulky (you ever tried to put one in your pocket?), and the buttons and d-pad are mushy crap compared to the Game Boy. And yeah, I guess the screen sucks too. Thanks for reminding me. And the battery life is pretty much crap, so if you're going to be using a Game Gear, it's likely that you're gonna be playing it while it's plugged into the way anyway. So a consolized Game Gear makes perfect sense to me. If I'm gonna be tethered to a wall, I might as well be gaming on a TV screen.

Eh, I realize some people just don't have a hand or the disposition to be good at soldering, but it's a really rewarding hobby, in more ways than one. Replacing the caps in a Game Gear are pretty easy, compared to other things I've done. At first I didn't know much about soldering and thought it'd be hard, but now look at me. I can solder pretty well and have done quite a few things already (Supergun, TG16 mods, NES repros, cap replacement and such like that)

I think the buttons and D-pad aren't too bad actually and I can tolerate the screen. The battery life is somewhat limiting, but high capacity NiHM AA batteries can help lengthen it (doing the LED mod can raise battery life too)... And personally, I LIKE the Game Gear in it's huge-ass exterior. It clearly looks better than the Game Boy, so there! :p (the Atari Lynx was just silly)


edit: and don't mistake my dislike of the Game Gear hardware as hatred of the console, I think the GG has a rather large number of great exclusives that I would love to own. Which makes it all the more frustrating that the device that they are designed to play on is so shoddily constructed. I still have a small collection of complete GG games that I couldn't bear to part with (especially Sonic Drift 2 & Sonic Triple Trouble), and I'm just waiting for someone to put together a decent consolized one so I can play them again.

I agree, there's lots of great Game Gear titles available. It's a shame so far we only have the original Game Gear systems and the very difficult AV-out mod to enjoy those games on, as far as real hardware goes. It will be a glorious day if that Game Gear home console sees mass production. I hope it gets featured on Sega-16 at least! :D

Crackdown
11-12-2011, 08:54 PM
Yup. The Game Gear hardware far supersedes any mainstream 8-bit iteration of its time. It could've been the last of its sort (I don't know, maybe the GB color, if you think about it), but it went out with a bang. I love the NES and the SMS, but the Game Gear just puts both systems to shame. I sure hope one day we'll all get to enjoy some of these games to their full extent, as the devs would've wanted. Crystal Warriors just became one of my favorite games recently. I know there's more. Hopefully there's someone out there that could give us something like this.

How so? :daze:

The Lynx and PC Engine were both 8-bit and VASTLY superior hardware wise

Black_Tiger
11-12-2011, 09:20 PM
How so? :daze:

The Lynx and PC Engine were both 8-bit and VASTLY superior hardware wise

The GameGear is vastly superior to the 16-bit Intellivision, so it must be vastly superior to the pathetically 8-bit PC Engine.

QuickSciFi
11-12-2011, 09:54 PM
How so? :daze:

The Lynx and PC Engine were both 8-bit and VASTLY superior hardware wise

You know that was me just praising the Game Gear, right?

Anyways, if I were to take your point into question, I'd say it'd be unfair to compare the TG16 with the Game Gear. And, well, wasn't the Lynx 16-bit?

But yes, the Turbo Express is one heck of a handheld. And, to be honest, I think I could fall in love the the Lynx just as easily.

StarMist
11-12-2011, 11:51 PM
Yup. The Game Gear hardware far supersedes any mainstream 8-bit iteration of its time. It could've been the last of its sort (I don't know, maybe the GB color, if you think about it), but it went out with a bang. I love the NES and the SMS, but the Game Gear just puts both systems to shame.
The Game Gear and the NES are of the same time? The Game Gear was released 6 years later. That makes the PlayStation of the Mega Drive's time. And liking the GG more than the NES makes you crazier than villahed.

QuickSciFi
11-13-2011, 12:17 AM
I thought I was helping this thread stay alive. At least it's working. But please, don't quote me on that. I give in. I guess I took it too far.

ThugsRook
11-13-2011, 12:41 AM
all arguements aside..... thats still a damn cool console :D

Crackdown
11-13-2011, 08:25 AM
You know that was me just praising the Game Gear, right?

Anyways, if I were to take your point into question, I'd say it'd be unfair to compare the TG16 with the Game Gear. And, well, wasn't the Lynx 16-bit?

But yes, the Turbo Express is one heck of a handheld. And, to be honest, I think I could fall in love the the Lynx just as easily.

The Lynx is like the PC Engine in the respect that it has an 8-bit CPU (65C02) but it has a 16-bit graphics chip. The Lynx also has a blitter and a bloody good 4-Channel stereo sound chip too.

xelement5x
11-13-2011, 04:31 PM
It IS an handheld SMS, it does not exceed SMS in any place whatsoever, besides wider palette and sound LR control, all else is still same and don't make GG any better than SMS...

I was always told that the GG was a beefed up SMS with more colors, but I didn't realize that the resolution was actually lower than the SMS; I'll trust the Epic Estonian when it comes to hardware on this but I'd argue the larger palette is something that does make the GG better than the SMS in one sense. Regardless, thanks for the info :)

All things being equal though, I'd probably rather have the GG's larger color palette than the larger SMS resolution, it's all about the GRAPHICS! :p

Kamahl
11-13-2011, 04:36 PM
All things being equal though, I'd probably rather have the GG's larger color palette than the larger SMS resolution, it's all about the GRAPHICS! :p
It makes a surprisingly big difference. Just look at Gunstar Heroes or Power Strike II.

djshok
11-14-2011, 12:56 PM
NO FUCKING WAY!!!! I want this - NOW!!!

Dude you rock for posting this.

otaku
11-16-2011, 12:48 PM
that is very cool. Price is high but based on labor may be reasonable. Very unique. If I had the money I'd get one!

Black_Tiger
11-16-2011, 01:04 PM
Unless I am the one who missed something, I think that newer comments are from people who only skimmed the first page of the thread. This is only a hobby project that someone did one time for themself and is not mass produced. Nothing is for sale. They'd likely have to charge $1000 to begin to make it worthwhile.

kool kitty89
11-17-2011, 06:15 PM
It makes a surprisingly big difference. Just look at Gunstar Heroes or Power Strike II.
Rather ironic that you can hardly tell the difference on average GG screens though (on emulators or TVs, it's obvious for sure). Hell, even the MD's 9-bit RGB palette would probably be overkill for the screens used at the time. (for that matter, the GBC and GBA's 15-bit RGB palette was really overkill on those unlit screens . . . even with the gains in quality in the early 2000s, and it was still probably overkill to a lesser extent on the front-lit screens)

OTOH, if Sega had simply used the SMS hardware directly, they potentially could have added the gimmick of playing GG games on your SMS or MD via a simple passive adapter. ;)



And as for resolution/screen size, there's definitely a number of GG games that would have been much better off in SMS mode, especially the Sonic games (even with the scaling artifacts on the GG's limited screen).

Hidden_Darkness
11-18-2011, 06:18 AM
the gamegear console system looks awesome, i'd buy one for sure if they were ever made for sale. I wonder if some of the modders around here could make something like that?

djshok
11-18-2011, 10:09 AM
the gamegear console system looks awesome, i'd buy one for sure if they were ever made for sale. I wonder if some of the modders around here could make something like that?

You know I made a thread about just that a while ago, and got a bunch of pissy responses for some reason. I even offered to pay for someone to make the damn thing and no one seemed to like the idea very much. I still think it's an awesome idea. Although to make it really cool it would have to go into some sort of console shell, not just a GG with TV connection and a controller port. I wonder if it would be possible to gut one of those crappy firecore systems and put the modded GG board into that shell, or a broken model 3 or 2, though the model 2 might be unnecessarily large, but whatever, it would still be cool.

omp
11-18-2011, 05:05 PM
I have been considering doing another consolised GG using a SMS1 case. SMS games plug in to the normal cart slot and GG go where the card games would have gone. It would need the card slot widened, is the only real work the case would need.
The SMS case, allthough being to big it would be a good base for simple things like how the controller ports are screwed down (ie either side of the controller ports). It also has acres of room for AV fitting, s-video etc.
The SMS2 case would be nice but I don't have a spare one lol!

KnightWarrior
04-09-2012, 04:44 PM
I'm not letting this die

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?161200-Game-Gear-TV-System&p=1904518&posted=1#post1904518

It got posted on DP

Baloo
04-09-2012, 05:10 PM
Is MarioMania a user here on Sega-16?

TheSonicRetard
04-09-2012, 05:13 PM
Is MarioMania a user here on Sega-16?

That would be Knight warrior

KnightWarrior
04-09-2012, 06:21 PM
Yep, That's me..I only have 2 username on couple gaming forums

Robotwo
04-09-2012, 06:56 PM
As stated before the GameGear had a bunch of great games, but given that the screen isn't the best at times and that the battery life on a unmodified unit isn't that long either,
it would be nice to have a console equivilant so one can use it with a proper screen (read 28" CRT monitor).

Without trying your hand on heavily modifying a GG yourself that is. :)

Moirai
04-09-2012, 07:37 PM
I'll take 5, please!

evilevoix
04-09-2012, 07:54 PM
Um, how do I buy one?

Guntz
04-09-2012, 08:21 PM
Geez that console is a thing of beauty... That guy has to make a kit out of it and offer completed units, he could eventually make a tidy profit on it... Just like this:

http://arcadeworks.net/

Smii
04-09-2012, 10:11 PM
I would very much like one of those :( Useful and so cute next to the SMS :)

schmutzbrust
05-27-2012, 10:36 AM
Links are down... :( Anyone still have them? Any other NEWS about this thing ?

Black_Tiger
05-27-2012, 12:11 PM
Links are down... :( Anyone still have them? Any other NEWS about this thing ?

It's a hobby project. Nothing is for sale.

It looks like a mini SMS and the same person made it a mini Mark III SMS style box and docs for it.

Guntz
05-27-2012, 01:04 PM
It's such a waste of the cash spent on that plastic mold... What could have been one of the best contributions to the gaming world is now just a deceiving yet drool-worthy collection of pictures...

schmutzbrust
05-27-2012, 01:12 PM
Very sad... At least, has someone the pics ?

Guntz
05-27-2012, 01:14 PM
... They're still on the first post of this thread, they work fine for me.

schmutzbrust
05-27-2012, 02:49 PM
Yeah, now it works... Maybe because i was not logged in...

Aaron
05-27-2012, 05:00 PM
Wow, great system idea. This needs to be made in large quantity's asap.

Jeckidy
02-29-2016, 08:10 PM
Rise from your grave! Such a shame this thing is a farce... Being a born-again Game Gear nympho, I find it tragic that such a system hasn't been made for mass production.

stika
03-01-2016, 12:51 PM
Rise from your grave! Such a shame this thing is a farce... Being a born-again Game Gear nympho, I find it tragic that such a system hasn't been made for mass production.

A farce? What happened?

Jeckidy
03-01-2016, 12:57 PM
I meant, of course, that it was designed to look like a professional marketed product and was just a fancy homebrew. Kind of like plastic fruit bowls. :\

xelement5x
03-01-2016, 04:54 PM
Retro Freak is supposedly going to offer Game Gear support in the future.

Black_Tiger
03-01-2016, 07:25 PM
There is already an affordable board which fully consolizes your Game Gear.

QuickSciFi
03-01-2016, 11:52 PM
Show me that consolized Game Gear. I will pay top dollar for it. It is about the only game system I still wish I could have.

profholt82
03-02-2016, 06:49 PM
Since there is a device that allows you to play Master System games on your Game Gear (Master Gear I think it's called), could not that technology be reversed to allow Game Gear games on your Master System? I'm not a techie. Is it that the Master System hardware is already present in the Game Gear like the Genesis, and the Master Gear is simply a pass through device like the Power Base Converter?

Assman
03-02-2016, 07:33 PM
Since there is a device that allows you to play Master System games on your Game Gear (Master Gear I think it's called), could not that technology be reversed to allow Game Gear games on your Master System? I'm not a techie. Is it that the Master System hardware is already present in the Game Gear like the Genesis, and the Master Gear is simply a pass through device like the Power Base Converter?

No, it doesn't really work the other way around. The SMS and Game Gear hardware are practically identical, to my knowledge, but the GG master palette is way bigger (something like 4,096 colors versus 64), so an SMS game will display with no problem on a GG, but if you try to do the reverse, you'll get color values that the hardware can't display properly. This is also why there was never a "Super Game Gear" for the Genesis (the Genesis master palette is only 512 colors, so you'd need a separate video output on the device).

After that, you also have the problem of the start button, which functions completely different from the SMS pause button, and the difference in resolution, which would generally end with excess graphical garbage that was meant to be obscured by the GG's smaller viewing area. There are actually some people out there who have hacked a number of GG-exclusive games to get them fully playable on SMS/Genesis -- excess graphical garbage and all --though, so not all hope is lost.

QuickSciFi
03-03-2016, 09:42 PM
^That.

Too many colors on the GG. More, even, than on the Genesis. So no chance of getting a "Super Game Gear" either.

Benjamin
03-04-2016, 11:28 PM
I've always wondered about that, why Sega didn't just aim to make the Game Gear compatible with the Genesis as the SMS was. Was the expanded palette implemented due to the TV Tuner? That's the only reason I can of the machine needing more variety, because the Genesis did fine with 512 and the Game Gear was certainly in no position to top it graphically. I suppose it could have been added to compete with the Lynx palette, too, but that's hardly a concern with the Lynx only supporting 16 colors at a time which was never enough to really show that off.

stika
03-06-2016, 02:47 PM
No, it doesn't really work the other way around. The SMS and Game Gear hardware are practically identical, to my knowledge, but the GG master palette is way bigger (something like 4,096 colors versus 64), so an SMS game will display with no problem on a GG, but if you try to do the reverse, you'll get color values that the hardware can't display properly. This is also why there was never a "Super Game Gear" for the Genesis (the Genesis master palette is only 512 colors, so you'd need a separate video output on the device).

After that, you also have the problem of the start button, which functions completely different from the SMS pause button, and the difference in resolution, which would generally end with excess graphical garbage that was meant to be obscured by the GG's smaller viewing area. There are actually some people out there who have hacked a number of GG-exclusive games to get them fully playable on SMS/Genesis -- excess graphical garbage and all --though, so not all hope is lost.

I think Sega kind of shot themselves in the foot by giving the gamegear such a wide color palette. A 'mega game gear' adapter for the genesis would have been an amazing back in the day

Black_Tiger
03-06-2016, 04:03 PM
Show me that consolized Game Gear. I will pay top dollar for it. It is about the only game system I still wish I could have.

http://www.otakus-store.net/en/modding-kits/14-game-gear-tv-modding-kit-controller-connector.html


I just bought a refurbished Game Gear with it already installed off of eBay.

QuickSciFi
03-06-2016, 10:58 PM
Thanks. Looks like it's designed for a Pal system via 220 Volts. Don't know how to backtrack from RGB to regular component (unless it's the same cable as the one for the Model 2 Genesis). Either way, I noticed they're also selling one PAL consolized GG. I am very interested. Too bad it runs off of 220 Volts. I wonder if they're willing to mod my US NTSC GG. The shop looks closed now (don't know what that means). Will see again in the am.

[EDIT]

Services only for French customers.

Damn!

NeoVamp
03-07-2016, 01:37 PM
[EDIT]

Services only for French customers.

Damn!

Hon Hon Hon, you are merde out of luck mon ami!

tryphon
03-07-2016, 01:52 PM
You are in the merde up to the neck would be more Frenglish :)

nemesis enforcer
06-20-2016, 08:01 AM
OK, this isn't as good looking, but couldn't you just transfer the "guts" into a SMS case? I'm assuming he is using the mod that was mentioned above.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiJL27Jy-rI

Black_Tiger
06-20-2016, 10:22 AM
I recently bought a Game Gear link to SMS pad cable, so my system is fully consolized now. :)

snakeye355
07-02-2016, 01:56 AM
Not sure if anyone has seen this but it's pretty badass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLIq6mjjCk

I've been trying to get in contact with this guy. I have all the materials needed for this and i'd pay top dollar to have my SMS modded with a GG slot.

Flygon
07-02-2016, 09:39 PM
Was the expanded palette implemented due to the TV Tuner?
Just felt the need to give some quick input on this. The Game Gear's cartridge slot had dedicated pins for 4-bit digital RGB lines, and Stereo Analog Input. While a game could use these pins for displaying video generated on-cart, the only device I know to actually use these pins are the TV Tuner.

So, presumably, the internal LCD screens run by accepting accepting 4-bit digital RGB from the VDP in some way, and since this would fit just as elegantly into the CRAM as 3-bit RGB anyway, I presume the thought process went something like "Well, it costs us virtually nothing to support 4-bit RGB, so let's support 4-bit RGB".

Incidentally, later Majesco Game Gears actually removed these lines from the cart slot. Presumably to cut costs.

Anyone with more in-depth hardware knowledge, feel free to correct me. But I can near guarantee that having just a 512 colour master palette would've looked bad when watching TV. :)

Black_Tiger
07-03-2016, 12:07 AM
The TurboExpress/PC Engine GT has a better screen than Game Gear but the same 9-bit palette as the TG-16/PCE hardware. The screen is just the screen, just like a TV is for a console. The Game Gear only has an expanded palette to give the hardware more longevity.

Flygon
07-03-2016, 02:45 AM
Er, to clarify, I meany 4-bits per channel, not 4-bit overall. :daze:

eheheh
09-08-2016, 09:08 PM
guys how much is a fare price for this game gear

is one of the rarest packs to be find

sega portugal official sonic chaos edition

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=232075957738#ht_647wt_1397

MasterGenesis
09-08-2016, 11:27 PM
What someone needs to do is make an adapter that lets you play Game Gear games on a Genesis, similar to the Power Base Converter or Super Game Boy.

tma73
12-31-2016, 12:19 PM
Wow that is amazing :)
And it looks like fullscreen display as well?

thomas

VirtuaRicky
01-05-2017, 11:57 PM
What someone needs to do is make an adapter that lets you play Game Gear games on a Genesis, similar to the Power Base Converter or Super Game Boy.

Hyperkin just announced plans for an adapter for the Retron 5...but I wonder if it would work like a PowerBase...

Black_Tiger
01-06-2017, 07:55 AM
Hyperkin just announced plans for an adapter for the Retron 5...but I wonder if it would work like a PowerBase...

Retron 5 is an emulation box. The adaptor us simply a rom ripper. If you don't want to get a Game Gear with vudeo output, just get a raspberry pi instead of something which will damage your carts without actually playing them.

QuickSciFi
05-10-2017, 07:26 PM
Can someone explain in layman's terms how the Retron 5 GG/SMS adapter "damages" your carts? Short of modding an OG Game Gear, this is looking like the best option for me right now. Any help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


...P.S.> Not interested whatsoever in using straight-up roms. I have plenty of phone apps that do that just fine.

Guntz
05-10-2017, 08:42 PM
Can someone explain in layman's terms how the Retron 5 GG/SMS adapter "damages" your carts? Short of modding an OG Game Gear, this is looking like the best option for me right now. Any help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


...P.S.> Not interested whatsoever in using straight-up roms. I have plenty of phone apps that do that just fine.

It would be nice if people learned that game cartridges and ROMs are the same thing, literally just CPU instructions. A ROM isn't a game until the instructions it contains are executed.

Code execution is what separates software emulators like the RetroN5 and the Raspberry Pi from original hardware. Software emulators are inherently inaccurate due to true accuracy requiring insanely powerful processors, disproportionately more powerful than the original console.

Playing original carts on a RetroN5 and running ROMs on a Raspberry Pi is exactly the same thing. Playing original carts and ROMs via a flash cart on original hardware is exactly the same thing.

QuickSciFi
05-10-2017, 08:55 PM
It would be nice if people learned that game cartridges and ROMs are the same thing, literally just CPU instructions. A ROM isn't a game until the instructions it contains are executed.

Code execution is what separates software emulators like the RetroN5 and the Raspberry Pi from original hardware. Software emulators are inherently inaccurate due to true accuracy requiring insanely powerful processors, disproportionately more powerful than the original console.

Playing original carts on a RetroN5 and running ROMs on a Raspberry Pi is exactly the same thing. Playing original carts and ROMs via a flash cart on original hardware is exactly the same thing.

"It would be nice if people learned" to not give douchebag answers. ;)

And no, a cartridge is not a ROM. It is the physical medium that contains the ROM. You missed the point entirely. But that's ok, millenial. One day you'll learn some manners.

Black_Tiger
05-10-2017, 10:22 PM
Can someone explain in layman's terms how the Retron 5 GG/SMS adapter "damages" your carts? Short of modding an OG Game Gear, this is looking like the best option for me right now. Any help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


...P.S.> Not interested whatsoever in using straight-up roms. I have plenty of phone apps that do that just fine.

Pin connections need to be very precise to work properly without being too tight or loose. Many modern replacements parts and clones are simply made "good enough to work" and are tighter than official hardware, which leads to cart pins getting stripped. Many clones' cart ports are also not precise, which leads to repeated removing and reinserting of carts to get them to play correctly, which makes things that much worse.

QuickSciFi
05-10-2017, 10:55 PM
Pin connections need to be very precise to work properly without being too tight or loose. Many modern replacements parts and clones are simply made "good enough to work" and are tighter than official hardware, which leads to cart pins getting stripped. Many clones' cart ports are also not precise, which leads to repeated removing and reinserting of carts to get them to play correctly, which makes things that much worse.

Thanks.

Yeah, I've heard of this issue with the Retron 5. But I was thinking more like software-wise. I've heard of issues with battery saves being lost. I was wondering if there was more than that. But if it's mostly a thing about the pin connectors; then I can live with that. I can always tweak it.

Guntz
05-11-2017, 12:11 PM
"It would be nice if people learned" to not give douchebag answers. ;)

And no, a cartridge is not a ROM. It is the physical medium that contains the ROM. You missed the point entirely. But that's ok, millenial. One day you'll learn some manners.

Did you read anything I said before insulting me? That's ok old man, maybe you'll learn how video game hardware actually works.

A cartridge is an obsolete container of a ROM. A ROM file on a hard drive is a ROM in a modern accessible container. There is zero technical difference between the two. There are MASSIVE differences between emulators and real hardware.

QuickSciFi
05-11-2017, 01:58 PM
Did you read anything I said before insulting me? That's ok old man, maybe you'll learn how video game hardware actually works.

A cartridge is an obsolete container of a ROM. A ROM file on a hard drive is a ROM in a modern accessible container. There is zero technical difference between the two. There are MASSIVE differences between emulators and real hardware.

First of all, you insulted me first. So you can go ahead and stop acting like a 16 year old anymore. So yes, learn some manners, or receive the consequences of being a douchebag.

Secondly, once again, you continue to miss the point entirely of my query. Though I doubt you'll ever comprehend the simple concept of: "I want to use my own carts". It is simple and quicker to use than having to download each ROM. I specifically said I am not interested in just downloading the roms, and you took it upon yourself to go on an insulting rampage. Clearly you are not the one I asked, since you don't care to answer my simple question and are only interested in throwing empty insults like you always do. So please, feel free to gtfo.

Guntz
05-11-2017, 02:49 PM
First of all, you insulted me first. So you can go ahead and stop acting like a 16 year old anymore. So yes, learn some manners, or receive the consequences of being a douchebag.

Secondly, once again, you continue to miss the point entirely of my query. Though I doubt you'll ever comprehend the simple concept of: "I want to use my own carts". It is simple and quicker to use than having to download each ROM. I specifically said I am not interested in just downloading the roms, and you took it upon yourself to go on an insulting rampage. Clearly you are not the one I asked, since you don't care to answer my simple question and are only interested in throwing empty insults like you always do. So please, feel free to gtfo.

Please explain how "It would be nice if people learned" is a personal insult when it is clearly not directed at anyone in particular. Even if it was targeted at you, how is being expected to learn something an insult? Maybe your feelings are easily bruised. Somehow being "insulted" also gives you the excuse to specifically attack me and call me stupid, which I never did to begin with. Pretty impressive for a 37 year old man to act like a 16 year old.

Let's take another look at the point I apparently missed.


Can someone explain in layman's terms how the Retron 5 GG/SMS adapter "damages" your carts? Short of modding an OG Game Gear, this is looking like the best option for me right now. Any help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


...P.S.> Not interested whatsoever in using straight-up roms. I have plenty of phone apps that do that just fine.

I'm not concerned with addressing the cartridge damaging adapter because there isn't anything that needs to be corrected there.

What I have issue with "Not interested whatsoever in using straight-up roms. I have plenty of phone apps that do that just fine." There is zero technical difference between using real carts on a RetroN5 and using ROMs on a phone emulator, ZERO. They are both emulators. If having your cartridges damaged is a concern for you, there will be nothing lost in using ROM files on the same software emulator. All I was trying to do was provide information for you. Clearly you don't appreciate information.

Why is this so hard to comprehend without having to insult me?

QuickSciFi
05-11-2017, 05:33 PM
Please explain how "It would be nice if people learned" is a personal insult when it is clearly not directed at anyone in particular. Even if it was targeted at you, how is being expected to learn something an insult? Maybe your feelings are easily bruised. Somehow being "insulted" also gives you the excuse to specifically attack me and call me stupid, which I never did to begin with. Pretty impressive for a 37 year old man to act like a 16 year old.

Let's take another look at the point I apparently missed.



I'm not concerned with addressing the cartridge damaging adapter because there isn't anything that needs to be corrected there.

What I have issue with "Not interested whatsoever in using straight-up roms. I have plenty of phone apps that do that just fine." There is zero technical difference between using real carts on a RetroN5 and using ROMs on a phone emulator, ZERO. They are both emulators. If having your cartridges damaged is a concern for you, there will be nothing lost in using ROM files on the same software emulator. All I was trying to do was provide information for you. Clearly you don't appreciate information.

Why is this so hard to comprehend without having to insult me?

You assume too much. And you clearly know less than me about ROMs. And even less about letting others have their own fucking choices. I want to play my games using my own carts and I don't give a shit if you have any "issues" with that or what you have to say about it.

You're being a dick. And sheepishly trying to pass it off as me being too easily insulted is a lame excuse for the troll that you are. Seriously, I've let your imbecile insults go by, but you're not 16 years old anymore, dude. Grow the fuck up and learn to interact with others.

Seriously, I already told you you're not helping. Feel free to gtfo.

Guntz
05-11-2017, 06:13 PM
And you clearly know less than me about ROMs.

Says the guy who thinks using cartridges on an emulator box is better than ROM files.

The only one throwing insults around is the 37 year old man calling me a dick. Grow the fuck up and learn to not take things so personally on the internet.

Gogogadget
05-11-2017, 06:22 PM
The Retron 5 is a piece of shit.

Use ROMs on Genesis Plus GX or whatever, or mod a game gear. Just avoid the Retron 5 like the damn plague.

QuickSciFi
05-11-2017, 06:22 PM
Says the guy who thinks using cartridges on an emulator box is better than ROM files.

The only one throwing insults around is the 37 year old man calling me a dick. Grow the fuck up and learn to not take things so personally on the internet.

That you infer that wanting to play using my own cartridges is the same as "thinking" it's "better" just accentuates just how much of an imbecile you are. It's. A. Fucking. Choice.

Again, like I told you first, grow the fuck up, and learn not to be intolerant of other's choices. You have yours. I have mine. Deal with it.

QuickSciFi
05-11-2017, 06:29 PM
The Retron 5 is a piece of shit.

Use ROMs on Genesis Plus GX or whatever, or mod a game gear. Just avoid the Retron 5 like the damn plague.

Yeah. My first choice is to consolize a Game Gear. I know of a dude that used to sell them on eBay for like $300; with some warranty on his part. Then when I had the cash, he stepped it up to like $500. But I don't know if I wanted to shell-out that much for such a project.

Do you own a Retron 5? What can you tell me about it from your personal experience with it?

Thanks in advance.

Gogogadget
05-11-2017, 06:43 PM
I don't know one, but a friend does and I had some experience with it and my main points of contention...

It's an emulator box: Like okay, it has cartridge slots and it emulates games. Okay, like most people have a piece of hardware in their home that without being able to 'read' carts (more like dump the carts and load the roms it's dumped) it can emulate just as good as the Retron 5, if not better. Actually if you don't care much about 'reading' your own carts the Raspberry Pi is cheaper, and superior, and plays PS1 games too.

Since it dumps carts, it doesn't read the save properly on the actual cart: For me, the only reason you'd ever use an emulator box that read carts is because maybe you have that old Pokemon or Super Metroid with a save file on? It will copy over just fine and you can continue where you left off. Can you then copy that save back over to the cartridge? No. You cannot. Some people even said it completely wiped their carts so you'd probably have a mini anxiety attack playing a game with battery backup either way (although I can't recall a single Game Gear game that uses battery backup, and apparently this was fixed but in my old experience it did not copy saves)

The controller sucks: It's just shit. You can use controllers from actual consoles that's cool, but the pack-in controller is just terrible.

It feels cheap: The controller feels cheap. The console itself feels like cheap plastic. The cartridge ports seem to be cut a bit too small and it's always a tight fit. Nothing feels like any sort of care was put into it and it's just not really a joy to use or look at. For some people this will be a total non-issue but I can't stand cheap looking and feeling electronics. I certainly wouldn't want to risk damaging my carts yanking on them to get them out the cartridge ports.

QuickSciFi
05-11-2017, 06:55 PM
Thanks. That pretty much sums up how I feel about it and my experience with it as well (short of having a friend, and more about using it multiple times at retro gaming stores to test out games and such.

I wouldn't be using it for anything other than to play my Game Gear games, though. And since I don't own one, I was wondering what folks were saying regarding cartridges being "damaged" with it. I don't know why I thought it was more than just tight pin connectors. I really don't like emulation at all. But the quality of too many GG games simply call for a better screen than the OG Game Gear provided. I haven't decided anything yet anyways. But thank you. I will keep you all posted.

Guntz
05-11-2017, 07:22 PM
That you infer that wanting to play using my own cartridges is the same as "thinking" it's "better" just accentuates just how much of an imbecile you are. It's. A. Fucking. Choice.

Again, like I told you first, grow the fuck up, and learn not to be intolerant of other's choices. You have yours. I have mine. Deal with it.

Yes, and ordering a well done steak at a fancy steak house is a choice too. A dumb choice, but a choice nonetheless.

Not that you care about what I know, but I post a lot at NintendoAge and everyone there has said the same thing about the RetroN5, it is junk and it will die on you sooner or later. Often the cartridge slots stop working, or a firmware update causes games to no longer load, or it straight up stops turning on.

But don't take my word for it, read this thread (disappointment happens during page 3):

http://vintage.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=173110

QuickSciFi
05-11-2017, 07:36 PM
Yes, and ordering a well done steak at a fancy steak house is a choice too. A dumb choice, but a choice nonetheless.

Yes. It's a choice. That you call it dumb, just makes you intolerant of that choice.



Not that you care about what I know, but I post a lot at NintendoAge and everyone there has said the same thing about the RetroN5, it is junk and it will die on you sooner or later. Often the cartridge slots stop working, or a firmware update causes games to no longer load, or it straight up stops turning on.

But don't take my word for it, read this thread (disappointment happens during page 3):

http://vintage.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=173110

As long as you can manage to distinguish criticism of the product from resorting to insults, I do care.

I've never been a fan of the Retron 5, or any sort of hardware emulation for that matter.
The thread title and OG Post says it all. And that's really what I'm looking for. A way to play my Game Gear games on my TV.

@Gogo:
I'm thinking another compromise for me would be to do an LCD screen mod. But that would only be temporary.

Here's that product I'm really looking to get; now at $600 Buy it Now :daze:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sega-Game-Gear-TFT-LCD-Screen-Mod-VGA-Output-for-TV-Also-Plays-SMS-Games-/122476671935?hash=item1c842db3bf:g:01kAAOSw~y9ZCS3 j

cleeg
05-12-2017, 05:44 PM
That Game Gear looks amazing! Really tempting... Although not played much latterly I regret selling my old one.

Gogogadget
05-12-2017, 06:20 PM
I would like to upgrade my Game Gear to have a fancy new LCD screen...

but i'm European, where the SMS didn't die for a few more years following the US so most of the best games are on that too, except for GG Shinobi and the likes.

And RetroArch takes care of that

Rustybolts
05-12-2017, 06:45 PM
I own a retron 5 and also original hardware megadrive, gameboy, gba etc. I use. My retron in another room, I have no issues with build quality I have owned a couple of years now with no issue, and my retron certainly does not have any issues with tight cart ports, perhaps this was a first batch problem. I can use original control pads with it, so although original pad is ok and usable, I can also use superior original pads. I can also back up my save games using the retron from cartridge to sd cart and can also restore at a later date, which is cool if I need to replace any batteries in my carts. You can apply patches to your games for example playing megadrive streetfighter with sound patch. People love to moan about the Retron 5 jumping on the bandwagon with "ahh but it uses other peoples emulators without authors permissions etc" heard from the same peoples mouths that are advocates for playing roms on emulators, pot calling the kettle black springs to mind.
Anyways rant over the retron 5 has its uses

QuickSciFi
05-12-2017, 09:11 PM
^thanks for the imput.

Have u tried the GG adapter yet?

Rustybolts
05-13-2017, 03:24 AM
Unfortunately I have not, but I have used a master system adapter in the megadrive cart slot which works perfectly. If I had a gamegear collection I'd be all over it in a shot, it looks like its currently the nicest way to play your gamegear carts without modding or paying someone to mod original hardware. Coupled with a master system controller or even a megadrive pad, I think it would be pretty sweet.

QuickSciFi
05-13-2017, 06:14 AM
Those are nice, but the Power Base Converters don't play Game Gear carts, unfortunately. So that leaves out the GG exclusives.

Rustybolts
05-13-2017, 06:32 AM
I wish they would release a lynx adaptor, seeing as though my lynx2 has died and I still have a handful of decent boxed games still with instructions from way back. Id buy another lynx but battery life is crap and the screen is poor, id have a hard time enjoying them. If it was the gamegear id have owned and not the lynx it would have been a decent way to play my carts and I would not have had any reservations in going down this route and getting the gg adaptor based on my experience with my retron 5.

QuickSciFi
05-13-2017, 06:52 AM
Yeah, the Lynx was equally awesome back then. Hopefully that would be next on the list for Hyperkin.

The idea of SD card saves does sound enticing.

djtwok
05-15-2017, 10:27 AM
That's how gamegear look on the retron5.
https://www.pic-upload.de/view-33173879/IMG_4595.jpg.html

Black_Tiger
05-15-2017, 01:47 PM
There must be an option for a proper 4:3 perspective and for it to scale in even integers. Otherwise it's the worst option to play Game Gear games.

Gogogadget
05-15-2017, 04:00 PM
That looks fucking horrible

QuickSciFi
05-15-2017, 05:25 PM
If it looked that horrible, I wouldn't even be considering it.

There are settings...
EW_xMnii09c

SEGACOOL
05-16-2017, 01:17 PM
Always trust a cigar smoking robot. This looks great.

StuOhQ
06-25-2017, 06:15 PM
I've been interested in something like this for some time now.

Here's an article on the one featured above: http://www.retrocollect.com/News/the-game-gear-system-converting-segas-handheld-into-a-tv-based-console.html

And the Behar Bros. - behind the Hanzo VGA box for Dreamcast - have cooked up this little wonder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSfDRy9oX8A&feature=youtu.be

Gogogadget
06-25-2017, 06:26 PM
Ah well that looks a lot better

Also Master of Darkness is awesome

StuOhQ
06-25-2017, 06:42 PM
Love John Hancock, but I'm not a big fan of the Retron. I'm concerned about the quality of the emulation when many of the GG carts don't even function. Does anyone know if these issues were fixed for launch?

xelement5x
06-26-2017, 04:58 PM
Looks very slick! A project like that is in my pipeline as well.

QuickSciFi
07-02-2017, 01:27 AM
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And the Behar Bros. - behind the Hanzo VGA box for Dreamcast - have cooked up this little wonder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSfDRy9oX8A&feature=youtu.be

Real hardware! That looks fantastic AND just under the amount I was willing to front for something like this. I hope they continue to make these.

PixelPedant
10-02-2017, 05:28 PM
I suppose I've got something to add, now, on the Game Gear consolisation front. I've wanted to fully consolise my Game Gear for a while, and I finally got around to finishing it up this weekend with a controller port and controller mod. I'd post a thread with the details, but no thread-posting privileges yet, so this seems like the best place to put it, and my observations regarding the mod.

Here's the basic before and after: https://i.imgur.com/hdS64Q2.jpg

And for the controller: https://i.imgur.com/MMAB9Gz.jpg

The Game Gear was already McWill modded and hooked up to a Kenzei and Framemeister for video output and capture, but using it held in hand under the circumstances was a bit of a nuisance.

It's the controller support I added this weekend. Both mods were non-destructive. All normal handheld functionality was preserved (Nintendo Switch eat your heart out). In the prior image above, the board is in something of an in-progress state. All the essential connections are there and the soldering's done. But wiring still needs to be secured, and nor is the DB-9 connector secured (though the dremel work on the case is done).

Basically, as far as the Game Gear goes, I did this the simple (and I'd venture most popular) way, which is wiring the test points for 1, 2, left, right, up and down to the relevant DB-9 pins for an SMS controller. Start is wired to pin 5, as that isn't used for anything in the SMS case (as the SMS controller and pinout does not feature a Start button), while it is used for +5V in the Genesis case (which we don't need).

The solution on the Genesis controller end of things was to desolder and remove the IC, which multiplexes controller input, then solder desired inputs to what would otherwise be the locations of the multiplexer input pins. It's thanks to the multiplexer that we can't just wire up a Start pin on the Game Gear end of things. As Start is on the Genesis 3-button the secondary function of Pin 9 (otherwise mapped to C). So cutting the multiplexer out of the picture for that purpose is the simplest solution. Once desoldered, there was enough wire to to work with, to manage all necessary connections using the original leads. It was necessary to wire up Left, Right, 1, 2 and Start. Up and Down could be left as originally wired.

Right now I'm running video to an OSSC for transcoding before sending it to the Framemeister (via HDMI) for scaling.

Another fun mod to add would be a reset switch (again likely added to the controller, presumably using the likewise unused Pin 7). But all the research I've read on that front has indicated a dearth of confidence regarding the appropriate approach to achieving that goal. So I'm hesitant for now.

Incidentally, for anyone doing this mod using an SMS controller, the relevant pins and test points are (likely but not guaranteed to be):

Up = DB-9 Pin 1 = M10 on GG PCB
Down = DB-9 Pin 2 = M11 on GG PCB
Left = DB-9 Pin 3 = M12 on GG PCB
Right = DB-9 Pin 4 = M13 on GG PCB
1 = DB-9 Pin 6 = M14 on GG PCB
GND = DB-9 Pin 8 = M32 on GG PCB (or take your pick).
2 = DB-9 Pin 9 = M15 on GG PCB

For anyone doing this mod with a Genesis 3-button controller (while preserving SMS compatibility), the pins, test points and leads are (likely but not guaranteed to be):

Up = DB-9 Pin 1 = M10 on GG PCB = Controller Default
Down = DB-9 Pin 2 = M11 on GG PCB = Controller Default
Left = DB-9 Pin 3 = M12 on GG PCB = Location of removed IC Pin 3
Right = DB-9 Pin 4 = M13 on GG PCB = Location of removed IC Pin 6
Start = DB-9 Pin 5 or 7 = M16 on GG PCB = Location of removed IC Pin 14
1 = DB-9 Pin 6 = M14 on GG PCB = Location of removed IC Pin 10
GND = DB-9 Pin 8 = M32 (or other) on GG PCB = Controller Default
2 = DB-9 Pin 9 = M15 on GG PCB = Location of removed IC Pin 13

I say "not guaranteed", as I gather there's some amount of variety among GG boards, so I'm not willing to bet that's a certainty for all cases.

QuickSciFi
10-03-2017, 06:45 AM
Great work.

cleeg
10-03-2017, 09:49 AM
Man, this makes me regret selling my childhood sweetheart, I'd love to have fitted one of those great new screens and had TV out. Superb.

CasetheCorvetteman
10-06-2017, 07:43 PM
Where can i get one of these?

PixelPedant
10-06-2017, 08:16 PM
Where can i get one of these?

The system originally posted is the product of a rather elaborate series of mods which were accomplished as a one-off exercise. The creator explicitly states that it is/was not for sale. Consolised Game Gears have been created by a number of people at this point (myself included), generally for personal use. Each of them requires extensive mods, as I say, to an original system (and the creation of a custom controller, if the Start button is to be functional). Sometimes, modders do sell consolised Game Gears on Ebay. But as far as I know, nobody has ever offered full Game Gear consolisation (i.e., Controller Mod + McWill mod) as an on-demand service.

CasetheCorvetteman
10-06-2017, 09:53 PM
The system originally posted is the product of a rather elaborate series of mods which were accomplished as a one-off exercise. The creator explicitly states that it is/was not for sale. Consolised Game Gears have been created by a number of people at this point (myself included), generally for personal use. Each of them requires extensive mods, as I say, to an original system (and the creation of a custom controller, if the Start button is to be functional). Sometimes, modders do sell consolised Game Gears on Ebay. But as far as I know, nobody has ever offered full Game Gear consolisation (i.e., Controller Mod + McWill mod) as an on-demand service.

Well i for one would pay good money for the one pictured at the start... Looks bloody great...

QuickSciFi
10-08-2017, 09:24 AM
The system originally posted is the product of a rather elaborate series of mods which were accomplished as a one-off exercise. The creator explicitly states that it is/was not for sale. Consolised Game Gears have been created by a number of people at this point (myself included), generally for personal use. Each of them requires extensive mods, as I say, to an original system (and the creation of a custom controller, if the Start button is to be functional). Sometimes, modders do sell consolised Game Gears on Ebay. But as far as I know, nobody has ever offered full Game Gear consolisation (i.e., Controller Mod + McWill mod) as an on-demand service.

Do you offer such service? Serious buyer here.

PixelPedant
10-08-2017, 10:12 AM
Do you offer such service? Serious buyer here.

Nah, sorry, just requires sourcing of too many parts and too much time investment to pursue as something other than a personal passion project, for me. My recommendation to folks interested in getting one would be getting a McWill modded Game Gear (with VGA) off Ebay or from a modding service, then doing the controller mod yourself (controller 2 can connect to the EXT port, so you only need to build a port for controller 1).

Not only is the prior (McWill) mod more difficult (requires very fine soldering), it's much more abundant on the open market, while conversely, the soldering work required for the latter (controller) mod isn't particularly tricky, and really anybody should be able to do it, but it's also very rare, so a do-it-yourself approach is comparatively necessary.

The controller mod is only difficult to the extent that it's somewhat poorly documented and requires some understanding of controller electronics. But the rundown I put together (https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/73p0zc/finally_finished_consolising_my_game_gear_and/) basically lays out every required connection, so the latter consideration might not be much of a worry at this point. And I'm happy to explain any of it further.

CasetheCorvetteman
10-08-2017, 05:27 PM
Ive got a pile of Game Gears you couldnt jump over that i was going to fit new screens to, but having my partner very ill i just havent had the time to do anything like that.

PixelPedant
10-11-2017, 01:32 PM
Hope things get better on that front. And not just so you can get back in the modding game. In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to choose between the well-being of our loved ones and the well-being of our Game Gears.

CasetheCorvetteman
10-11-2017, 10:09 PM
Hope things get better on that front. And not just so you can get back in the modding game. In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to choose between the well-being of our loved ones and the well-being of our Game Gears.

Thanks very much for your kind words, i appreciate that. While we live in hope, the unfortunate reality of it is that this may not be something that will go away, which is something ive struggled quite a bit to deal with.

Melf
10-16-2017, 01:21 PM
Yeah, family is the most important thing. The recent hurricane situation here made me appreciate that on a whole new level. I hope things work out, CasetheCorvetteman.

While I'd LOVE to have a console GG, I have would be happy just to have a new screen installed. One of mine won't power up and the other's screen is slowly dying.

QuickSciFi
12-13-2017, 12:05 PM
Bump!

Well, since no-one is willing to do this mod, and the prospect of my left kidney versus eBay prices still doesn't seem very appealing, I went for the Retron 5 with the 3-in-1 adapter.

It is satisfactory. It plays my favorite Game Gear game beautifully, Defenders of Oasis. So, I'm set.

SEGA.GENESIS1989
12-13-2017, 08:39 PM
QuickSciFi, never say never! I'll let the cat out of the bag and say that I'm also hoping for an affordable consolized game gear produce in the near future! If there is a demand, someone will create and sell it!

StuOhQ
12-23-2017, 03:56 PM
Where can i get one of these?

The Beharbros. are producing their model on-demand. I'm a big fan of their products. Here's a review I did of their VGA box for Dreamcast:

https://youtu.be/u4Hld3ewARk

djtwok
12-24-2017, 02:40 AM
Bump!

Well, since no-one is willing to do this mod, and the prospect of my left kidney versus eBay prices still doesn't seem very appealing, I went for the Retron 5 with the 3-in-1 adapter.

It is satisfactory. It plays my favorite Game Gear game beautifully, Defenders of Oasis. So, I'm set.
Yes thatís the best option.

StuOhQ
01-01-2019, 04:43 PM
Yes thatís the best option.

The new Mega SG is going to feature a Game Gear adapter for an extra $10 - which means we have an FPGA solution. Hype!

Vorenge
02-28-2019, 11:54 PM
My work in progress Game Gear consolized. Got lots of wires to shorten up and the housing to fix up, but it's playable even in this messy state. 14814

Vorenge
03-02-2019, 02:32 AM
If interested, a small update to my consolized Game Gear. I shortened and cleaned up all the internal wires, organized the setup and secured everything before working on the top case. I have most of the back panel done, but still working and trimming the edges. My GG box is using Tim Worthington's board and I have that wired to a Genesis 2 multi-out for the video (composite and RGB) and stereo sound. As you saw before, I removed the battery components from the GG power board and removed the input jack so I could mount that to my back panel along with the multi-out. I have LED's planned, but I have to pick up a couple more mini ones because I burnt out because I had them in series, but forgot the resistor getting lost before I cleaned up and shortened all the wires going all over the place. I'll pick up more from Console 5 since the local store is a rip for those. 14817

Vorenge
03-03-2019, 08:18 PM
Pictures of the consolized Game Gear I just finished putting together.

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14822

Melf
03-11-2019, 11:03 AM
That looks really slick!

Damn, I just saw my previous post and realized my GG still doesn't work. :Panda:

Vorenge
03-12-2019, 01:46 AM
That looks really slick!

Damn, I just saw my previous post and realized my GG still doesn't work. :Panda:

Thanks Melf. That was from a completely destroyed GG that I got for $14. It had bad caps on the sound and power boards, but the coil inductor on it's power board was also bad - so I had to replace that as well. After getting it back to life, that's when all the crazy work began with cutting and modifying an old Net Gear router I got from Goodwill for another $2. Your Game Gear would probably work too if you replaced the caps everywhere. A lot of time that helps with the screen issue also - although I'm sure you likely know that. I have some extra Game Gear parts that I could give you (like a repaired sound or power board), but I don't have a screen because it's a one way trip pulling it off. If your screen has backlight issues, have you considered an LED backlight mod? It's cheaper than the way more expensive (but far superior) McWill screen and you get better battery life.

evilevoix
03-21-2019, 10:37 AM
Pictures of the consolized Game Gear I just finished putting together.

14820
14821
14822

Man, I'll need one of these too in addition to a Nomad screen.

xelement5x
03-26-2019, 12:51 AM
That looks really nice, is that an old cable modem for the box?

Vorenge
03-26-2019, 02:31 AM
That looks really nice, is that an old cable modem for the box?

Close. It's an old Net Gear wifi router I gutted and modified.

StuOhQ
05-01-2019, 08:21 AM
I can confirm that the Mega SG is a great solution for GG games on the tube. Can't wait for the official adapter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDPFtY7l57I

SegataS
05-04-2019, 12:44 AM
I'd love to but all these solutions seem expensive. I have still yet to buy a 3rd party newer console or adapter for older games. I know I should given the age of my systems.

StuOhQ
05-05-2019, 08:58 AM
I'd love to but all these solutions seem expensive. I have still yet to buy a 3rd party newer console or adapter for older games. I know I should given the age of my systems.

Yeah, there's not exactly a cheap option. A Retron 5 with adapter is going to set you back almost as much as a Mega SG, and won't be as pretty or accurate. A consolized Game Gear is pricey and they aren't made at regular intervals so you have to pounce. Even VGA mods are going to kill your wallet.