AVGN on the 32X

[Joe Redifer]

He reviews the 32X system

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=19558&type=wmv

Granted he only has a few games, and usually only the worst ones. I do like his take on hooking up the system.

[capi1010]

I'm glad to see someone else flip out on the cartridges not having labels on the sides, that always killed me.

[evildragon]

lables on the sides? what are you talking about?

[capi1010]

Maybe I should've said "labels on the edge" of the cartridge. Watch the video or look at a 32x game, it's quite obvious.

[evildragon]

im not going to watch the stupid video.. what labels? Im looking at my 32X cart compared to two genny carts, i don't get it...

do you mean the TOP? Because that's not a SIDE, or an EDGE...

[Joe Redifer]

The top could be considered an edge. You should watch the video. You won't be harmed (I promise), and there is a Quicktime version on the page if you prefer. I knew exactly what cap1010 was talking about right away since I had seen the video.

[0x15e]

I didn't get to watch the whole thing because I'm at work but ...

Really, I've never really understood why people have such a problem with hooking it up. Obviously, it's his job to make it look as bad as possible because that's his thing, but EVERYONE complains about hooking up the 32X. I never had a problem with it. I mean, the instructions were clear enough and even without them, it's not exactly hard. Just plug the wires in and be done with it. http://forum.thesanatorium.org/images/smiles/wtf.gif

The AC adapter thing is the truth, though. That was just stupid stuff. I get around it by using the original Sega adapter on the Genesis and a Naki universal one with a large output plug (for the CD) and a small one (for the 32X). It's powerful enough to run both and I get to use only 2 adapters. Yay me. :)

[Joe Redifer]

There is no technical reason why the Sega CD and 32X couldn't have been designed to run on 1 adapter. The TG-16 CD-ROM does it.

[evildragon]

well, i can atleast say the Genesis 1 (early model 1s), couldn't have shared their adapters.. they were maxed out..

[Joe Redifer]

A new AC Adapter would have been provided with the Sega CD, just like it was with the Turbo CD. The old one would not be used.

[Ash]

..... but he set it on fire...... :( fucker.

[evildragon]

to be honest, anyone who complains about hooking up the 32X, just is impatient.

Customers wanted more colors. The 32X gave more colors.. How did customers think the new colors would get to the TV, black magic? The Genesis, in no way can push colors (in the thousands), like the 32X can. The VDP doesn't even have a palette to handle it, nor can you upgrade it's color count via more C-RAM. Video overlay is the only solution here, and that's exactly what the 32X does.

Not to mention PC's did have a highly similar solution at around the same time, and no one complained then.. (3d accelerator cards)

[Joe Redifer]

The hook-up method of the 32X is the fault of the Genesis not being designed to accept RGB video input from an attached cart. If it could (like it can with sound), then it all could go out of the standard Genesis video jack. But they weren't thinking that when they originally designed the system.

[evildragon]

The hook-up method of the 32X is the fault of the Genesis not being designed to accept RGB video input from an attached cart. If it could (like it can with sound), then it all could go out of the standard Genesis video jack. But they weren't thinking that when they originally designed the system.
True, quite true. The Genesis would then have to have the overlay circuitry itself then.

If I'm not mistaken, the Japanese Famicom had these inputs, and was taken advantage of too..

[0x15e]

Not to mention PC's did have a highly similar solution at around the same time, and no one complained then.. (3d accelerator cards)Seriously. PCs back in the day used to be pretty ridiculous. Even before 3D accelerators, there were MPEG decoders (imagine a PC too slow to play back MPEG1 full-screen, yeah) that had passthroughs and later it got even more ridiculous when computers would have a DVD decoder and Voodoo2 cards in SLI. That's THREE passthrough cables. People didn't complain, though, that's just the way it was.

But oh god, don't let Sega do it to try to improve the Genesis. :wtf:

[Elusive]

Seriously. PCs back in the day used to be pretty ridiculous. Even before 3D accelerators, there were MPEG decoders (imagine a PC too slow to play back MPEG1 full-screen, yeah) that had passthroughs and later it got even more ridiculous when computers would have a DVD decoder and Voodoo2 cards in SLI. That's THREE passthrough cables. People didn't complain, though, that's just the way it was.

But oh god, don't let Sega do it to try to improve the Genesis. :wtf:

To be fair, with PCs you can expect a lot of plugging in, taking out, and hearty cursing when the damn thing won't boot. Power supply for the monitor AND the system?? Identical ports for keyboards and mice?? Lots of ports and plugs and jacks and passthroughs that make Grandma phone you in tears?

With a console, you can expect to plug it in, plug it into the TV and have it just work. But that's just me playing Devil's Advocate.

Although I guess you're conscious that you are purchasing an upgrade to your Mega Drive in the first place, so you should expect some hassle.



Why can't there be a Happy Video Game Nerd? I'd enjoy that far more than someone shouting at a webcam to get Youtubers angry.

[evildragon]

My 80486 system can't play MPEG1 without an accelerator. Not even in a window...

People wanted more colors on-screen, and Sega had NO choice but to do it the way they did it..

[evildragon]

To be fair, with PCs you can expect a lot of plugging in, taking out, and hearty cursing when the damn thing won't boot. Power supply for the monitor AND the system?? Identical ports for keyboards and mice?? Lots of ports and plugs and jacks and passthroughs that make Grandma phone you in tears?

With a console, you can expect to plug it in, plug it into the TV and have it just work. But that's just me playing Devil's Advocate.

Although I guess you're conscious that you are purchasing an upgrade to your Mega Drive in the first place, so you should expect some hassle.



Why can't there be a Happy Video Game Nerd? I'd enjoy that far more than someone shouting at a webcam to get Youtubers angry.
you know, when the PS/2 keyboard and mouse port were introduced, they used to be labled just "1" and "2", they didn't say which was which, and for a reason. The computer didn't CARE which was in it, it just "knew" and used them. Only my IBM Model 25 PS/2 does this...

[capi1010]

This thread is becoming "angry AVGN watchers". Everyone is making valid points, but don't take this guy's video too serious, it was made for the casual gamer. We all appreciate the 32x and its potential.

[16-bit]

..... but he set it on fire...... :( fucker.
You think that was bad, you should have seen what they did on screwattack.com (The AVGN partner site) they blew up, a dreamcast, an NES, a Turbografx 16, a Genesis, a Playstation, and an Xbox, just because some basketball team lost. Those guys have problems, if they wanted to get rid of all of those, I would have been more than willing to pay for shipment to my house. :mad:

[Zebbe]

It would have been enough blowing up the Xbox. Link to the video, please.

[16-bit]

It would have been enough blowing up the Xbox. Link to the video, please.
http://one.revver.com/watch/269347

Right d'er! :mad:

[Psy]

People wanted more colors on-screen, and Sega had NO choice but to do it the way they did it..
Sega could have waited for the Sega Saturn, Nintendo didn't respond to the SMS, PCE and Mega Drive by throwing in a stop gap upgrade.

By the time the 32x came out the Sega CD was cheap enough to buy and I remember stores showing both the 32x and Sega CD as a upgrade path at the same time. Looking at the sales people went with the Sega CD (6 million units sold world wide) over the 32x (350,000 sold during it life span).

Anyway game play is most important not graphics.

[evildragon]

yes, they could have waited for the saturn..

but people wanted the GENESIS to do it :P (or, Sega could have built the neptune!)

[Psy]

yes, they could have waited for the saturn..

but people wanted the GENESIS to do it :P (or, Sega could have built the neptune!)

If people wanted the Genesis to do it while did only about 1/4 million people buy it? It is one of the worst selling game system in the history of the industry. The 32x is in the category as the RDI Halcyon (http://www.handheldmuseum.com/Misc/RDIHalcyon.htm) when it comes to low sales.

If only Sega was worse with marketing the 32x then like the Commodores Plus/4 nobody would have noticed the 32x. Instead Sega released the Nomad with no market while ensuring everybody knew about the 32x.

[Joe Redifer]

The 32X is a peripheral, not a game system unto itself.

[David J.]

I didn't have a Sega CD console for the longest time, so I never had to be bothered about having three AC adaptors.

His videos are OK, but I think he should take a break... It's like there is a new one every week!

[Mega_Drive_Kid]

The Angry Video Game Nerd is awesome and I liked the review because of the humour but I think the 32X is a pretty awesome add-on.

[Olly h]

I love AVGNs vids,they are really funny and edited together very well. He's good at what he does and makes valid points. His 32X review is hilarious. Such a waste of money that add on was.

[Dirt Ball Gamer]

WELL IF HE DONT LIKE THE 32X HE CAN JUST KISS MY GRITS!!!!!

[playgen]

He did moan a fair bit about the carts not having end labels, but that wouldn't be a problem if he kept the damn boxes!
I've noticed that Americans, in general, seem more likely to throw away the boxes for their games, even when provided with nice plastic ones.

[TmEE]

That's a funny video... I don't have 32X though... I want one... but why the hell did he have to burn it !?!?

[Obviously]

I never really liked AVGN, but I hate the 32X even more. I don't have the stones to burn mine though.

[Dirt Ball Gamer]

Yeah, why the hell do so many people throw away the frickin boxes to games? Ebay is filled with loose carts, I have to sort through all these damn loose carts of the game I want untill I find maybe one or two that are complete. I was a kid just like everybody else when genny dropped and I didn't keep a bunch of loose carts. Even back then I thought the genesis cases were money.

[Captain Jack]

I know seriously why is it so hard to just keep the box? The Sega Saturn game boxes are probably some of the worst designed game boxes (wasted space & easy to break) but I still keep them in rubermade tubs and put them in storage.

As for the video, I thought it was pretty funny and for me personally Knuckles Chaotix, Star Wars Arcade, and the 32X CD version of Nite Trap are the only good things about the 32X.

[Iron Lizard]

As much as it pains me I can see why people would throw away cardboard boxes. They were cardboard after all and non collectors might see them as junk but the plastic cases were practical and there is no excuse to throw them away.

[BlowMyCartridge]

I know seriously why is it so hard to just keep the box? The Sega Saturn game boxes are probably some of the worst designed game boxes (wasted space & easy to break) but I still keep them in rubermade tubs and put them in storage.

As for the video, I thought it was pretty funny and for me personally Knuckles Chaotix, Star Wars Arcade, and the 32X CD version of Nite Trap are the only good things about the 32X.

You forgot the 32X CD version of Corpse Killer. Now with in-your-face zombie attacks!

[Dirt Ball Gamer]

As much as it pains me I can see why people would throw away cardboard boxes. They were cardboard after all and non collectors might see them as junk but the plastic cases were practical and there is no excuse to throw them away.

I generally take a crappy sports game or some other crap game with a nice hard plastic clamshell case, then take my cardboard 32x cases and cut em so they are like regular genesis covers and stick em in the sports case. Givem the ol Texas Switch! I have a pretty impressive collection, but im not looking to sell my games or anything so I don't care if it affects the value or not.

[Obviously]

At least you've got the plastic cases with the Genesis. Try collecting NES and SNES games with boxes. Nearly freaking impossible.

[16-bit pwnage]

@ dirt ball: http://www.usedgames.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4417

I was intruiged by your reply about taking old Genesis cases and converting them into 32X cases, I noticed this site if you are in need of more of those good plastic Genesis cases (at least then you don't end up with numerous copies of games you don't intend to play).

[Dirt Ball Gamer]

Oh nice, I may end up using that resource. I still have a seemingly endless supply of sports games, most of them doubles, that I can prey on. I actually get joy out of choosing the next victim, Hah Hah HA! Oh well, its for the good of the collection, now there lives have meaning. I love my hard 32x cases. I will probably end up donating most of my orphaned games or that I have doubles of to a friend. Most of them suck but I have a few gems like an extra copy of fireshark minus the case to maybe plant the seeds of a young megadrive collection in him.