Sega Classics 4-in1/5-in-1 Cartridge vs CD

[Joe Redifer]

Never had a chance to witness for yourself the changes Sega made in the following games when they included them on a single disc??

-Revenge of Shinobi
-Streets of Rage
-Golden Axe
-Columns
-Super Monaco GP

WATCH THIS AWESOME VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHIqK7VM68E) and audition the changes for yourself. I love doing these things.

[Aarzak]

Heh, great video. The zooming/flying box arts and Genesis/Sega CD made me chuckle/LOL for some reason.

I knew SMGP's music was slightly enhanced. Thank GAD they ditched those horrific cart voice samples;

Somehow. whenever I hear the cart "Now Its Up To You!" sample, I picture a Genesis-rendered Ponch from CHIPs saying it:

http://www.coprock.com/ponch.gif

[idolknight]

Gota go with the Sega MD Cart on this one. :rock:

[AD2101]

Very educational haha. I knew they enhanced the sound quality on the Sega CD versions but playing them side by side like that really brings that out. At the moment the only cart version of those games I own is SMGP and its painfully obvious playing both of them that they upgraded the sound at least for me anyways.

[playgen]

I prefer the 'dirty' sound of the originals myself

[idolknight]

I prefer the 'dirty' sound of the originals myself

Agreed! As for Cart Vs CD versions, I think I would have to agree that most cart stuff is more to my taste.

The revenge of Shinobi sound effects are pretty poor. The noise he makes when he casts his magic sounds like he is constipated. The music wasnt changed atall to my untrained ear. As for Streets of Rage. Theres isnt much change there atall apart from the character/NPC effects. There also pretty weak.

Final Fight CD is a masterpiece as far as Audio & Visuals go. But there is no Cart version to compare it to. Maybe if there was I might say the same as I have above. Maybe I wouldnt, Who knows!?

But! The Flashback "Cart Version" for example is so much better than the CD version. I love the menu music in the CD Version. But the game music just gets on my nerves after awhile. (Sorry went abit off topic there!)

[Zebbe]

Awesome video. How much to you hear of the Super Monaco GP CD track if you pull down the volume slider on your model 1 Genesis, Joe?

[Genesis Knight]

I actually preferred the cart sounds and music, although it's probably just because I'm accustomed to it.

[Aarzak]

Only "Golden Axe" (cart music replaced with coin-op music) and "Super Monaco GP" (cart music slightly touched up with extra/clearer instruments) had their music altered in "Sega Classics". All "Columns" received was an brief, mystical-sounding CD-quality track in its title screen, that tried to invoke the Egyptian/pyramid motif of the game.

Also, only 'Axe's music and the aforementioned Columns track are available as RedBook tracks to be listened to on the CD. All other music is handled internally by the Genny and/or Sega CD sound suite(s).

'Axe, SoR, and RoS and SMGP however did have their cart voice samples replaced with either new ones or higher sampled versions of the old ones.

One of the reasons why the new music/voice may not have vibed well with the games (aside from them being worse like in RoS and to a lesser extent SoR) is because they were still using Genesis sound effects so it kinda sounded uneven.

So Joe, you're using Final Cut Pro huh? Is it easy to work with compared to Windows Movie Maker? And how well would it run on these (my) specs?:

Pentium 4 @ 1.6 Ghz
640 MB DDR SDRAM
16 MB ATi Rage 128 Ultra *insert Golden Axe death scream*
Integrated Sound

[Joe Redifer]

Final Cut Pro won't run on a PC. What tipped you off to it's FCP-ness? I know the Angry Video Game Nerd also seems to use Final Cut Pro (I can tell by his default fonts and the motions they make).


How much to you hear of the Super Monaco GP CD track if you pull down the volume slider on your model 1 Genesis, Joe?
I shall give you the answers for ALL games!

Streets of Rage - New voices are done by Sega CD PCM

Revenge of Shinobi - New grunt done by Sega CD PCM

Golden Axe - New voices by Sega CD PCM (from arcade version) - Music by redbook audio (also arcade)

Columns - New music by redbook audio

Super Monaco GP - New voices by Sega CD PCM. All music done by Genesis without exception.

[Aarzak]

I remember you mentioning it when discussing one of your previous videos.

Still...............dammit!

[VinnyT]

PAUL BUNYAN.

[Zebbe]

Super Monaco GP - New voices by Sega CD PCM. All music done by Genesis without exception.

Then they should have used those superior drums in the Genesis version as well. Sounds like some porters have been lazy here.

[Joe Redifer]

The CD came after the Genesis version. That would require time travel. I admit that time travel is pretty easy, though.

[playgen]

Yeah travelling forwards in time is an everyday occurance :)

[AxelStone]

So Joe, you're using Final Cut Pro huh? Is it easy to work with compared to Windows Movie Maker? And how well would it run on these (my) specs?:

Pentium 4 @ 1.6 Ghz
640 MB DDR SDRAM
16 MB ATi Rage 128 Ultra *insert Golden Axe death scream*
Integrated Sound

Final Cut was spawned in the armpit of Satan use Sony Vegas, I make all of my youtube stuff on it, we used Final Cut at school and I can't tell you how many times I lost my work - I've never had any problems using Vegas on my PC.

[Joe Redifer]

LOL. You're just uneducated with it. I've never lost anything with Final Cut Pro. Never. Unless it was my own damn fault and even then I was able to recover. Were you using Final Cut Express or something else lame?

[tisurame]

Nice. I love your videos. I had no idea about all those differences.

Is it possible to notice any loading time on the CD version ?

[mick_aka]

Im a Final Cut Pro user myself but also toy with Premiere and After Effects.

[Joe Redifer]

Is it possible to notice any loading time on the CD version ?
Kind of. On Golden Axe it loads the level right before you play it and then plays CD-DA for the music. Streets of Rage loads the entire game into RAM and the disc spins down (stops completely), never ever spinning up again for any reason unless you reset the system. Same thing for Revenge of Shinobi, Columns (unless it goes back to the title screen and must spin up to play the music) and Super Monaco GP. So in effect everything plays just as fast as the cart... except Golden Axe.

mick, After Effects kicks ass, but not for editing!