That 32X :\

[FoxHound]

So I have been playing Shining force cd for the past month. with my genesis model 2 and SCD2. No problems..I recently added my 32x to play some doom fine no problems. I am now finishing shining force(with 32x connected) and my game crashes. First time the game like reset itself and went to the SCD screen. Um ok. So I load the game again and on my way kicking ass. and all a sudden the game freezes on a changing scene from battle to map screen it just goes all black and stays black. So I reset the game after losing my battle. Then all a sudden the sega cd doesnt load the game and it goes automatically to music menu...?? Why is my 32x posessing my sega cd:confused:

[Scooter]

So I have been playing Shining force cd for the past month. with my genesis model 2 and SCD2. No problems..I recently added my 32x to play some doom fine no problems. I am now finishing shining force(with 32x connected) and my game crashes. First time the game like reset itself and went to the SCD screen. Um ok. So I load the game again and on my way kicking ass. and all a sudden the game freezes on a changing scene from battle to map screen it just goes all black and stays black. So I reset the game after losing my battle. Then all a sudden the sega cd doesnt load the game and it goes automatically to music menu...?? Why is my 32x posessing my sega cd:confused:

Have you tried disconnecting the 32X to see if the problem still exists? My guess is the problem lies in your SCD, not the fact that the 32X is attached. Try disconnecting the 32X and let us know if the SCD game freezes up again.

[FoxHound]

I removed the 32x and played again and have no problems...Oh by the way when I was playing with the 32x attached I had its adapter plugged in. So all 3 were plugged in.

I am going to try the genesis and 32x only configuration and I will report back what happens.

Also when all 3 were hooked up played sonic 2 through the 32x with no problems.

[FoxHound]

Ok, So I disconnected the SCD2 and the genesis 2 and 32x alone worked fine. Played doom and sonic 2 fine. I am going to try again with the sega cd and if it does it again. I am going to try my original genesis and SCD1 and see if it does the same thing.

[Epicenter]

You might try opening the 32x and make sure the ribbon cables are securely seated.

[FoxHound]

You might try opening the 32x and make sure the ribbon cables are securely seated.

Thanks for the help, I will check that.

[FoxHound]

32x was solid. I am not using the Shields for the 32x hope that is not the problem cause I dont got them. However the orginal problem seemed like buttons were being pressed on the controller when they were not. Example how it jumped from the Sega CD world screen to the music player menu

[Epicenter]

Very curious. I'm using a Japanese MD1 and early revision 32X right now; neither of which has any RF shielding and the 32x didn't include those little metal brackets either. So far no stability problems so long as I keep everything seated properly, and the connectors clean.

[FoxHound]

I did a bunch of tests just now. I will be posting pics very soon.

[FoxHound]

OK this what I determined when I play 32x first for awhile, the Sega cd acts up like this.(See below) if i turn on a game(32x) and shut it off. then go to Sega cd immediatly then I get the problems. This time around there were no auto matic moving to music menu screen issues
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home001.jpg
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home002.jpg
heres the set up
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home003.jpg
spare Sega2
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home004.jpg
spare connected with 32x
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home005.jpg
insert doom
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home006.jpg
game is fine
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home007.jpg
Sega game
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home008.jpg
game is fine
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home009.jpg
no game with 32x
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home010.jpg
No 32x
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home012.jpg
result
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home013.jpg
lets try SCD1
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home015.jpg
result
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home016.jpg

[FoxHound]

spare sega back on SCD2
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home017.jpg
result
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home018.jpg
swap back my genesis 2
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home019.jpg
heres a 32x game
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home021.jpg
and back to Sega CD
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p177/RGonzalez930/Home022.jpg

[Rusty Venture]

Puzzling.

32x + Genesis = Fine
Genesis +SCD = fine
32x+Genesis+SCD = crap

Is this happening to all SCD games and not just "Sewer Shark"?


I don't really know what to recommend other than maybe double check the power plugs. I'm not really sure how that will help, but that is all my limited knowledge can muster.

I never had this type of setup, only a Model 1+SCD2. I also never bothered to hook the 32x up to that setup.

[FoxHound]

well its not even in the game its just at the boot up screen that I know something is up..When I was playing Shining force cd it locked up on me, but that was once

[Rusty Venture]

I think your 32x is haunted by the souls of all the games for it that were canceled.

Other than that...I got nuttin.

[FoxHound]

Yeah, strange I am going look for another 32x to try. it seems my scd2 is getting the issue from the 32x. until then anyone wants to chime in for something for me to check or do post it.

[Epicenter]

I've had weird behavior and graphical corruption if the 32x's power supply is not present. Perhaps you're using an out-of-spec brick, wrong voltage, insufficient current, etc.

[FoxHound]

I've had weird behavior and graphical corruption if the 32x's power supply is not present. Perhaps you're using an out-of-spec brick, wrong voltage, insufficient current, etc.

for the Genesis I have MK-2103
Sega CD2 1602-1(borrowed from my SCD1)
32X 2103-1

Not a 100% sure if these are the correct adapters, I thought the Sega CD2 would take the type for my Genesis 2, but it dont fit only my Sega CD 1 did...:?

EDIT: Sorry I had a typo on my genesis Power supply

[lilmul123]

IIRC, the power supply used for the 32x and genesis II should be the exact same thing. Your SegaCD power supply is right though.

[FoxHound]

Well, not sure but I am going to try a older tv, I think my LCD has something to do with it. My a.v. cables have been acting up. Lately I have been getting just a green line on far right of the screen when any game displays black.

[17daysolderthannes]

do you think it may have something to do with the outlets? are they all plugged into a strip? maybe its a poorly designed power strip and its making the voltage/current just off enough that it runs improperly without breaking it altogether.

[FoxHound]

Update, Ok 32x is still doing the same thing. 32x game plays fine but when the sega cd2 communicates with it to display the video, the graphic error appears. I have the 32x open now I have sprayed compressed air on the AV out port and trying to keep it cool incase there is a cold solder joint. After power cycle the screen is clear for about 10-15 seconds and the same thing happends again. So i dug a lil deeper in the 32x and found a cold solder joint on the cartridge slot. If you had the back of the 32x facing you it is the first row second pin from the left. Does anyone know what that pin does??

example

.................................................. ....
.o................................................ .... <--Catridge slot (pin marked with 'o')

________ AV out__AV in__ AC______________

^
Back of 32X

[evildragon]

For the hell of it, reseat the white ribbon cables in the 32X. It might be causing cross-talk if it's slightly loose.

[TmEE]

that cold solder joint pin is a +5V supply, it shouldn't matter much as there's one in the other side... a quick touch with heated up soldering iron helps with that.

[FoxHound]

For the hell of it, reseat the white ribbon cables in the 32X. It might be causing cross-talk if it's slightly loose.


I did and the problem still exists. I think this 32x is just done, I hooked it back up to my sega cd 1 for another test and its blue screening the background. I will post pics of what I saw. But I dont trust this 32x anymore, dont want it to mess up my systems.

If someone wants this 32x for a neptune project let me know I will sell for a decent price (unit only)or trade for a Sonic 3 game case. It plays 32x games great but when sega cd is connected forget it...

[evildragon]

Well, the 32X isn't rendering those graphics. the Sega CD BIOS comes directly from the Genesis itself.

[17daysolderthannes]

if anything, it may just be that the original Genesis (maybe you have one that was a very uncommon hardware revision) just glitches with the 32X sometimes. This actually may be what those grounding plates were for come to think of it. All I know is my all model 2 Genesis/CD/32X combo works perfectly when all hooked together.

[evildragon]

I have the early model 1, non TMSS, and no problems.

The metal plates were ONLY for FCC bullshit, considering internally in the systems, they are RF shielded anyway.

[17daysolderthannes]

I have the early model 1, non TMSS, and no problems.

The metal plates were ONLY for FCC bullshit, considering internally in the systems, they are RF shielded anyway.

I'm not just talking RF shielding, aren't they also for additional grounding? I could see improper grounding cause small graphical glitches. At any rate, I'd try to borrow another 32X and see if the same thing happens before ditching it.

[evildragon]

grounding is RF shielding ;) in the application of the plates..

all grounds are there on the cart slot, HAS to be, not to mention the AV cable.

[FoxHound]

Check out 37 and 38 I see these lines to the right of the screen...is that just my LCD TV doing that.

43 and 44 are the display for SCD2 and SCD1, before SCD1 never did that. and SCD2 takes about 15 seconds then it screws up...:daze:

I only have 32x for doom, so if I want to play I will play it alone on the genesis.

[TmEE]

NTSC in wide screen looks like PAL in non-wide...

Reseating the 2 ribbon cables and cleaning the connector and the piano contacts on MD/MCD won't help ?