Sonic 1 Stage Select Scramble?

[17daysolderthannes]

I noticed the other day when playing Sonic 1 on the 6 Pak cartridge that the level select levels are out of order. The levels are in the correct order when you play the game, but on the level select labyrinth zone is near the beginning and I think spring yard is second to last, among other levels out of order. Anyone else notice this before? They all come up in the right order on my Sonic 1 cartridge and on all the emulated versions I've ever had (though I don't have a 6 Pak ROM).

[Elusive]

I noticed the other day when playing Sonic 1 on the 6 Pak cartridge that the level select levels are out of order. The levels are in the correct order when you play the game, but on the level select labyrinth zone is near the beginning and I think spring yard is second to last, among other levels out of order. Anyone else notice this before? They all come up in the right order on my Sonic 1 cartridge and on all the emulated versions I've ever had (though I don't have a 6 Pak ROM).

It's been modified so the levels are in the right order in the level select menu, that's all. In the version of Sonic 1 everyone and their grandmother has, they're slightly jumbled-up - in this compilation cartridge, and the Japanese versions, the order is fixed. Nothing to do with the order you play the levels in :)

[edit] Here's one for you. Find a copy of Sonic 1, and skip to Scrap Brain Act 2. Notice the pink square things in the background? Boot up the compilation version, and do the same. Notice the difference?

[Rusty Venture]

Don't leave us in suspense...

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE??!!!!

[17daysolderthannes]

you've got it reversed, they are in the correct order on the Sonic 1 cartridge but they are out of order on the 6 pak, which is really screwy because you would think if they had it right it would still be right on the 6 pak. Although, I did notice there is REV 00 and REV 01 on my favorite ROM site, so perhaps the REV 00 is the out of order version and just happened to be on the 6 pak.

[evildragon]

No no no.. On the Sonic 1 cartridge, it IS out of order.

Rev 1 is the Japanese version, it has moving backgrounds. That's all.

[17daysolderthannes]

No no no.. On the Sonic 1 cartridge, it IS out of order.

Rev 1 is the Japanese version, it has moving backgrounds. That's all.

ohhhh, maybe it was out of order then, I dunno since I always just play it on the 6 pak since there's no reason to play the actual cartridge when I have the same game on the same cart with 5 other games.

[Aarzak]

Supposedly, the stage select order on the early versions of Sonic 1 was the proposed, original stage order for the game, something that wasn't immediately fixed when it hit retail obviously.

[VinnyT]

Don't leave us in suspense...

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE??!!!!
I think all the pink squares disappear and turn black.

[Elusive]

Don't leave us in suspense...

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE??!!!!

See, the Sonic 1 game is told to look for a specific point in the ROM to load data for that particular decoration, not a pointer - in layman's terms it's saying 'look at this particular point here in the ROM and load that data', rather than 'look for this bit of data and load it'. In the standalone cartridge, it's a pulsing pink square: as the game's stuck together with other ROMs in compilation cartridges, it can be anything from black to a multicoloured LSD window.

[Mamba Tabac]

Every single version of Sonic 1 that I've ever played has the stages in the stage select in the wrong order.

[The Sports Guy]

Its in the wrong order because IIRC, the level select screen order of levels was originally supposed to be what it was, but they changed it for some reason. Probably because Labyrinth is a lot more difficult than Spring Yahd, but I dont know if that is the real reason or not.

[dragonboy]

after I beat Labyrith Zone for the first time, I played Star Light Zone and I was amazed at how much easier that level is compared to Labyrith. If I remember correctly Star Light Zone is the second level on that mest up level select screen, am I right?, because that would make a lot of sense.


With the compilation cart ROM being slightly messed up I noticed something similar in the Super Mario World + Super Mario Allstars cart. In Super Mario World, in levels: Yoshi's Island 4, Donut Island 1, Donut Island 4, one of the Secret Bridge levels, and maybe a few other levels, the character/sprite animations are slightly sped-up.

[Tweaker]

The "out of order" level select that you've noticed is not the "original" order for the levels; rather, it's the internal Zone ID order that the game follows. In this case, Green Hill is Zone ID $00, Labyrinth is Zone ID $01, etc, all the way down to the last Zone.

This level select order is featured in the original, global release of Sonic 1--we call this Revision 00. There was a later revision, Revision 01, released in Japan, which modified the level select to use the order of levels in-game; in addition, they also added more complex background scrolling to the existing levels which did not have it (originally, only Green Hill and Star Light had any advanced scrolling effects--the rest simply scrolled the background as a whole).

There was also a later, unofficial release packed with Sonic Mega Collection that changed the spike behavior to match Sonic 2's. Many people like to say it "fixes the spike bug," but it was never a bug in the first place. =P

[David J.]

I heard that the Gamecube version of Sonic Mega Collection has revisions of the Sonic games, but what about Mega collection plus on the xbox?

[Tweaker]

As far as I know, they have the same exact revisions on them.

[David J.]

Hmm.. where do you access them?

[Rusty Venture]

I'll have to play "Sonic Jam" to see some of these other "added animations".

[Aarzak]

Or you could just go look for Kega Fusion and a "Revision 1" ROM of Sonic 1 and see them there!!! :)

The extra parallax isn't much to write home about, but it sure is icing on the cake.

[Rusty Venture]

I could just walk into the next room, find Sonic Jam, place it in my Saturn, and play "Sonic 1"

Or I could look for the ROM then look for an emulator that runs on Linux.


Choice #1 seems much better.

[Aarzak]

Ah.........you see I didn't know you owned "Sonic Jam". I thought you were contemplating on buying/borrowing it.

Therefore I am absolved from your "pwning". Hah.

[Rusty Venture]

I think the problem is that you just can't handle my jawusumness responces.

[Mr Smith]

Sonic Jam is tosh.

[evildragon]

For those of you clueless, this is the ORIGINAL Sonic 1 (rev 0), layout, from my cartridge.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Evilweredragon/son10.png

[17daysolderthannes]

For those of you clueless, this is the ORIGINAL Sonic 1 (rev 0), layout, from my cartridge.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Evilweredragon/son10.png

WTF OS are you running? Windows 3.5?

[Dirt Ball Gamer]

People are gettin pwned left an right these days, the net is gettin fierce! Rusty logs on to his computer in the morning, takes a sip of coffee and says to himself " Okay, who am I gonna pwn today?"

[Rusty Venture]

That is not true.

I don't drink coffee!

[TmEE]

maybe ED has some Win 3.1 skin on his OS ? Win3.1 won't run Fusion

[evildragon]

It's Windows NT 3.51, which can run Fusion, because it is a 32-bit NT kernel, and does run some modern apps.

I run it because frankly I'm sick of all modern OS bullshit, and can't stand Linux. The simple days are far better to me.

[17daysolderthannes]

It's Windows NT 3.51, which can run Fusion, because it is a 32-bit NT kernel, and does run some modern apps.

I run it because frankly I'm sick of all modern OS bullshit, and can't stand Linux. The simple days are far better to me.

I'm amazed you can actually run most things on an OS that old. I agree, modern OSes are getting out of hand, but at the same time I have really learned to love OS X (most of the time).

[evildragon]

I use OS X on my IBM ThinkCentre (what I'm on right now).

NT 3.51 uses the same NT kernel NT4, 2000, XP, and Vista uses, just a far older one. It works for the most part, but some things like anything needing DirectX are weird (for example, Fusion. Works fine in double render, but normal render causes the picture to be tiled across the screen). OpenGL oddly works fine.

[17daysolderthannes]

I use OS X on my IBM ThinkCentre (what I'm on right now).

NT 3.51 uses the same NT kernel NT4, 2000, XP, and Vista uses, just a far older one. It works for the most part, but some things like anything needing DirectX are weird (for example, Fusion. Works fine in double render, but normal render causes the picture to be tiled across the screen). OpenGL oddly works fine.

how the hell are you running OS X on an IBM?

[evildragon]

how the hell are you running OS X on an IBM?
One word, "Hackintosh"...

EVERYTHING works on it too, graphics, sound, SATA, burners, wifi, gigabit ethernet, etc. Not one crash.