xbox 360 question?

[Parker619]

i was thinking about buying a 360 core,, and then buying a 512mb memory card, but my questiong is will this be enough memory for the new dashboard and having an xbox live account?,, all i will be really doing is going on live and saving my games etc. so for all that is that going to be enough memory?

thanks

[17daysolderthannes]

no

to answer more in-depth: not even close

your best bet is to buy a 20GB 360 drive and swap it out with a 500GB laptop drive because like all things Microsoft, it will require 10X the initial cost to actually do anything you want to do.

[Melf]

your best bet is to buy a 20GB 360 drive and swap it out with a 500GB laptop drive

?

You can't swap out a 360 HD.

[17daysolderthannes]

?

You can't swap out a 360 HD.

oh can't you? that's what you think :p

I took apart a non-working XBOX 360 drive last night to see if there was anything that jumped out at me as off and I noticed it was in fact just a standard 2.5" laptop drive. Apparently, all you have to do is hook the new and old hard drives up to a computer and "ghost" the old drive data to the new blank drive and you're done. Sony officially supports hard disk upgrades without all that nonsense.

Sony: 1
Microsoft: -23453453454

http://360.xbox-hq.com/xbox-tutorials-17.html

[0x15e]

A 512 and a core is fine for what you want to do. You'll eventually want a hard drive, but the $100 60GB live starter kit will get that done later on down the road.

As for the hdd swap, it can only be done with a 20, 60, or 120GB drive, and then only specific ones. You have to flash the firmware on the replacement drive with the one from an original MS drive so the 360 will recognize it. Even then, there's a risk they'll notice all the 120GB drives using the same serial number and start banning people. Best just to stick to the real drives, IMO.

[Benjamin]

A 512 and a core is fine for what you want to do. You'll eventually want a hard drive, but the $100 60GB live starter kit will get that done later on down the road.

I'd agree except that we still don't know how much space the NXE will take up (as far as I know, at least). I doubt he'd want to possibly commit the bulk of a memory cartridge to the dashboard and have little to no space leftover for any game data and XBLA downloads. It's still an option, but since the OP specifically mentioned the new dashboard, I'd wait until it rolls out to see how practical the Arcade core system will be in the new Live environment.

[havok666]

oh can't you? that's what you think :p

I took apart a non-working XBOX 360 drive last night to see if there was anything that jumped out at me as off and I noticed it was in fact just a standard 2.5" laptop drive. Apparently, all you have to do is hook the new and old hard drives up to a computer and "ghost" the old drive data to the new blank drive and you're done. Sony officially supports hard disk upgrades without all that nonsense.

Sony: 1
Microsoft: -23453453454

http://360.xbox-hq.com/xbox-tutorials-17.html

I'm pretty positive that this won't work if you have an Xbox Live account though. I've heard that it detects the amount of total space on your HD and if something seems out of place you get booted off or banned.

[17daysolderthannes]

A 512 and a core is fine for what you want to do. You'll eventually want a hard drive, but the $100 60GB live starter kit will get that done later on down the road.

As for the hdd swap, it can only be done with a 20, 60, or 120GB drive, and then only specific ones. You have to flash the firmware on the replacement drive with the one from an original MS drive so the 360 will recognize it. Even then, there's a risk they'll notice all the 120GB drives using the same serial number and start banning people. Best just to stick to the real drives, IMO.


I'm pretty positive that this won't work if you have an Xbox Live account though. I've heard that it detects the amount of total space on your HD and if something seems out of place you get booted off or banned.

yeah, that sounds about Microshit's speed. If you do anything but put $100 bills in Microsoft's pocket you get banned from XBOX live. Did you know that if you start up an XBOX 360 without the disk drive plugged in you get banned from XBOX live? Fuck Microsoft. I'm about to buy a regular XBOX for $15 and it is going to be used solely for bootlegs (mostly emulators). I refuse to buy a single game or accessory that Microsoft will see any money from. Sony officially supports hard drive upgrades, they even made the system so you can pull it out without opening the actual console. But no, the stupid video game public just had to buy the "bargain" failureBOX 360 and now the PS3 is going nowhere because people didn't realize how much better it is in every way.

[Elusive]

yeah, that sounds about Microshit's speed. If you do anything but put $100 bills in Microsoft's pocket you get banned from XBOX live. Did you know that if you start up an XBOX 360 without the disk drive plugged in you get banned from XBOX live? Fuck Microsoft. I'm about to buy a regular XBOX for $15 and it is going to be used solely for bootlegs (mostly emulators). I refuse to buy a single game or accessory that Microsoft will see any money from. Sony officially supports hard drive upgrades, they even made the system so you can pull it out without opening the actual console. But no, the stupid video game public just had to buy the "bargain" failureBOX 360 and now the PS3 is going nowhere because people didn't realize how much better it is in every way.

Ha ha, you never fail to totally ignore the original post. What's to be achieved with the 'i hate the system and the company BUT I'M BUYING IT ANYWAY how's about that' attitude?


Mr. Parker, the Core system has the 60GB hard drive included in the box. The Arcade system doesn't have the hard drive, but has a 256MB memory card included.

The upgrade coming next week will fit in the system's internal memory, but you'll almost certainly need a hard drive as it'll now cache more data from your games and XBox Live. Plus, you can copy your games to the hard drive to up the loading speed and stop your discs thrashing in the drive :)

If you go with the cheapest console - the Arcade model - just get a used 20GB drive off eBay if you're really only going to be saving games, and not renting movies or downloading anything.


(haha what who uses 'microshit' unironically for fuck's sake)

[Tanegashima]

This is why I'm sticking to the Saturn as my newest console hardware. No updates, no swapping hard drives, no bullshit. I press a button, put in the game. 10 seconds later I'm playing.

FIGHT THE FUTURE!

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Naw whadda mean nigga!

[sega fan]

Tanegashima has a great point. This is a classic game forum, keyword classic. This thread and tanegashima's point makes me want to play my 2600.

[Joe Redifer]

Why did you link to a copy? What happened to the original video? It even disappeared from my favorites.

[MrMatthews]

This is why I'm sticking to the Saturn as my newest console hardware. No updates, no swapping hard drives, no bullshit. I press a button, put in the game. 10 seconds later I'm playing.

FIGHT THE FUTURE!

17days---are you friends with this guy?

Naw whadda mean nigga!


This guy's monologue made me die inside.

[sega fan]

This guy's monologue made me die inside.

Yeah, I love how he talks about how the PS3 is so "Ballin" but says the Wii is for kids, and the xbox "AIN't Gawtz know gaymes". I hope he knows that games like CoD 4 and other good shooters are both 360/PS3 multi platform games. Also, as for the wii being just for pussies and kids, yeah, LittleBig Planet is so "Gansta Ballin." extreme. This guy wouldn't know great Hip-hop (ALL rap after 95' sucks) if it bit him on his ass, listen to his intro.

[MrMatthews]

Oh, and something else he said confused me (I'm not fluent in "Baller"). Did he say that Final Fantasy VII was on the PS1, so Nintendo was copying with all their subsequent Final Fantasy games? Is he aware that there is also a Fantasy 1 - 6?

[17daysolderthannes]

'i hate the system and the company BUT I'M BUYING IT ANYWAY how's about that'

I'm saying how much I hate the XBOX 360, though I do find the original a highly overrated piece of shit as well, but hey, most collectors think the 32X sucks but they own one anyway, same thing. The difference is that I won't even dignify it with actual released games, only emulators and bootlegs, and even then only the VERY few good XBOX exclusives (Halo is not one of those). It's not my fault developers spent all their time developing emulators for the XBOX instead of a good system like a PS2 or Dreamcast. If you saw how much unnecessary failure I have seen with the XBOX 360 EVEN WITH GOOD MAINTENANCE you wouldn't go near one. Everything about the hardware design of that machine is awful, and if you do the slightest thing to alter it, you get banned from XBOX Live. The hard drives suck, the heat sinks suck, the disk drives suck, the controllers suck. Its a horrible machine. This isn't fanboy fandom fan fan fan speeching, this is someone that fixes those POS all day long and sees what garbage they are. If I ever own an XBOX 360, it will only be after they PROPERLY fix all of the flaws (which will be never) or I get it for less than $20. Oh, and I will NEVER subscribe to XBOX Live. Heck, I might not even get the regular XBOX at $15 considering what crappy controllers it has. What's the point of emulating games if the controllers aren't worth holding?

[MrMatthews]

Did the XBox360 kill your father or something? I have a 360, though I am hardly an XBox fanboy, and I think you are being a touch ridiculous.

[sega fan]

Yeah, 17day, give it a rest. I'll admit I was pissy a half year back at the Sony of Americas butchering of the PS3, but once sony acctually sprouted a sack and supproted their console, I shut up. Plus the whole James Bond collection just came out on Blu-ray, I might acctually pick up blu-ray and see how it is, now that have more then b-list, made for TV movies on Blu-Ray.

[17daysolderthannes]

Did the XBox360 kill your father or something?

no, just my will to live.

But its OK, at least that's half of my income, fixing that POS. I'm just fed up with what an un-moddable asshole the XBOX 360 is and the fact that its only that way because Microsoft is a bunch of money grubbing d-bags. You really don't understand how many years have gone by that I have been screwed over by Microsoft products. Almost every other major manufacturer seems to make OK stuff, why can't Microsoft with all their billions manage to make something without 34534 points of failure packed in the box? As I'm typing this the piece of shit Microsoft mouse is cutting out again because the battery holder is so poorly designed they lose contact every 5 minutes.

Why do I get singled out as being "ridiculous" when I think something is shit, but if someone doesn't like the 32X or the 3DO or Jaguar or something its perfectly OK? I think its a much more relevant claim to declare the XBOX 360 a piece of shit than to argue the validity of a 10+ year old system. I'm not saying there is no point as all 3 of those systems have some hidden gems worth noting, but all I'm saying is I deserve to have systems I just plain don't like like everyone else and I don't see why voicing my opinion is grounds for being considered abnormal behavior.

[MrMatthews]

To put it nicely:

XBox360 is to 17daysolderthannes

as

wasp is to Aqua Hedgehog

[Tanegashima]

No one is singling you out, but your rant is far more to the extreme than anything in the 32X/Jaguar/3DO thread. No one went off about the systems like you did...its okay to hate the 360, but your ravings are what are being criticized.


On a side note: If you manufactured a piece of hardware, or anything for that matter...why would you make it so people could mod it without you getting a piece of the pie?

Seems fair to me...

[sega fan]

Once again, I agree with Tanegashima. Well, it's midnight, I'm hittin' the sack. Going to Play and Trade early tommorow. No school... Yay.

[Metal_Sonic]

What the shit? Microsoft wants to MAKE money? THE FUCKERS!! HOW FUCKING DARE THEY?!?!?!?1?!?111?! I WANT TO MOD TEH SYSTEMZ SO I CAN PLAYZ TEH BOOTLEGZ. I SWEARZ!! WHO TEH FUK MAKEZ A BUZINEZZ TO MAKES TEH MONEY?!1?1?!?1!11?!

[AD2101]

But its OK, at least that's half of my income, fixing that POS. I'm just fed up with what an un-moddable asshole the XBOX 360 is

OMG you forgot about the extra $100 network adapter you need to get your 360 to pickup wifi!!! I remember how mad I was when I tried to buy one for my PS3 but the dude at GameStop told me it has wifi built into the system and then I didn't know what to spend my $100 bucks on. I bought some PBR, super nachos, and sunglasses if I remember correctly.

Seriously though. Yea the PS3 kicks the 360's ass just like most of us here would say that the Genesis is superior to the SNES, but it's really neither here nor there. Since this is a retro board, I only want to argue about the Genesis VS SNES. We'll have our own PS3 retro board in 17 years to do this all the time.

[Tanegashima]

PS3s, Xboxs and Wii's won't be around in 17 years to bitch about because they'll all be fried and non of the video games will work because all the developers will ensure that they can only be used on one system.

Besides the world is ending in 2012 so its of no concern anyway...

[Melf]

I admit that the 360 is a total POS hardware, but the library is amazing, and playing online rules. PS3 and Wii have free online, but having to download patches just to get games to play right and the retarded friends codes are not my idea of an ideal online setup. It's free, but you get what you pay for.

[17daysolderthannes]

No one is singling you out, but your rant is far more to the extreme than anything in the 32X/Jaguar/3DO thread. No one went off about the systems like you did...its okay to hate the 360, but your ravings are what are being criticized.


On a side note: If you manufactured a piece of hardware, or anything for that matter...why would you make it so people could mod it without you getting a piece of the pie?

Seems fair to me...

If I'm not doing the modding, I don't deserve the cash. It's one thing to try to keep people from playing bootlegs, its another to not let them upgrade their hard drive because Microsoft was too stupid to make it big enough. It's not just that either: $100 for Wi Fi? JESUS CHRIST! $120 (I think) to fix RROD if its out of warranty!? WTF! $100 for a 60 GB Hard Drive when you can get almost 500GB for that price! you gotta be shittin me! $50 GOD DAMN DOLLARS for a 512 MB flash memory card!? I can buy a flash drive the size of a paperclip that stores 8GB for like $15-$20, where is the other $30 coming from for 1/16 the space? It's not just a ripoff, its fucking extortion: pay us 2X what the system costs or else you can't play the games, sorry :) I guess Sony is just hemorrhaging money since they allow users to upgrade their hard disk themselves.


What the shit? Microsoft wants to MAKE money? THE FUCKERS!! HOW FUCKING DARE THEY?!?!?!?1?!?111?! I WANT TO MOD TEH SYSTEMZ SO I CAN PLAYZ TEH BOOTLEGZ. I SWEARZ!! WHO TEH FUK MAKEZ A BUZINEZZ TO MAKES TEH MONEY?!1?1?!?1!11?!

see above.


OMG you forgot about the extra $100 network adapter you need to get your 360 to pickup wifi!!! I remember how mad I was when I tried to buy one for my PS3 but the dude at GameStop told me it has wifi built into the system and then I didn't know what to spend my $100 bucks on. I bought some PBR, super nachos, and sunglasses if I remember correctly.

Seriously though. Yea the PS3 kicks the 360's ass just like most of us here would say that the Genesis is superior to the SNES, but it's really neither here nor there. Since this is a retro board, I only want to argue about the Genesis VS SNES. We'll have our own PS3 retro board in 17 years to do this all the time.

exactly


PS3s, Xboxs and Wii's won't be around in 17 years to bitch about because they'll all be fried and non of the video games will work because all the developers will ensure that they can only be used on one system.

Besides the world is ending in 2012 so its of no concern anyway...

this is true, especially the world ending part


I admit that the 360 is a total POS hardware, but the library is amazing, and playing online rules. PS3 and Wii have free online, but having to download patches just to get games to play right and the retarded friends codes are not my idea of an ideal online setup. It's free, but you get what you pay for.

Having a good library with unreliable hardware (in this case disgustingly unreliable) is like having a hot girlfriend with AIDS. I totally agree that XBOX 360 got lucky with the developers (though it took them like a year and a half to get ANYTHING worth owning), but what pisses me off is that the only reason they did that is because they released shit hardware and made it deceptively priced since the base model comes with NOTHING. The Wii costs $250 and has built in wi-fi. The XBOX 360 base used to cost $300 without and costs another $100 to add it. What does that tell you? If people knew anything about economics and value the PS3 would be the system everyone had with all the good games and Microsoft could go crawl in a hole and die with all of their horrible bug filled products that ruin my day on a regular basis. FWIW, I OWN a Wii and I hate it. All the games for it are garbage (spare a very select few). The Wii gets less play time than any system I own, I usually play it about once ever 3 months if that. There was one time I went 6 months without playing it. Knowing what I know now, I would've skipped on the Wii and just spent that money on retro collecting and then got a PS3 later on when the price came down. PSP is pretty sweet too, I might have to get one of those, especially now that they have the A/V outs.

[MrMatthews]

That rant was annoying.

How about from here on out, assume that everyone on this entire forum knows that you detest Microsoft, the XBox, and everthing and anything associated with either one of them? That way you won't feel obligated to remind us so often.

[Tanegashima]

You answered your own damn question: Sony is indeed bleeding money, like crazy. Many of their stockholders want to pull out of the video game business as it is considering they don't expect to break even unless the system is supported for at least 8 years! Insane!

Microsoft is attempting to turn a profit on their hardware because that's what they've always made money on...which isn't typical of the video game market, profits are in the software not the hardware.

But EVERY company is guilty of overpricing their own accessories. You bitch about microsoft, but look at apple for christ's sake. Their headphones for the iPod cost twice as much as a no-name brand set and are total utter complete shit. Apple software is also extremely expensive. There isn't an accessory apple makes that doesn't cost a shitload and 99% of it is incompatible with aftermarket cheap stuff. Thank christ apple doesn't make a video game system UGH! The games alone would cost 50 times what the standard fare goes for (slight exaggeration, perhaps, but we'll see...).

At least microsoft lets other people make shit for their hardware, and there are alternatives when it comes to software. Apple is the worst!

[17daysolderthannes]

You answered your own damn question: Sony is indeed bleeding money, like crazy. Many of their stockholders want to pull out of the video game business as it is considering they don't expect to break even unless the system is supported for at least 8 years! Insane!

Microsoft is attempting to turn a profit on their hardware because that's what they've always made money on...which isn't typical of the video game market, profits are in the software not the hardware.

But EVERY company is guilty of overpricing their own accessories. You bitch about microsoft, but look at apple for christ's sake. Their headphones for the iPod cost twice as much as a no-name brand set and are total utter complete shit. Apple software is also extremely expensive. There isn't an accessory apple makes that doesn't cost a shitload and 99% of it is incompatible with aftermarket cheap stuff. Thank christ apple doesn't make a video game system UGH! The games alone would cost 50 times what the standard fare goes for (slight exaggeration, perhaps, but we'll see...).

At least microsoft lets other people make shit for their hardware, and there are alternatives when it comes to software. Apple is the worst!

I already said why Sony was bleeding money: dumbasses thinking the 360 was cheaper when in reality it is MORE expensive once you buy everything you need. You can't turn a profit or attract developers if no one bought it in the first place. Microsoft pretty much failed at turning a profit anyway after the $1 billion recall for RROD WHICH STILL ISN'T FIXED. I have already had to fix 2 POST RECALL XBOX 360s. They are so stupid to continue using those shitty X-Clamps when they could almost as easily just use screws like the RROD fix uses and never have a problem again. Non-computer Apple products do suck for the most part, the reason I don't own an iPod, iPhone (cool device, but overpriced), or any other Apple product besides their computers. Apple computers, on the other hand, are bad ass to the max. I can only handle a Windows computer for about 15 minutes before I go "holy shit where is a Mac, this is driving me nuts!" Nothing ever seems to work right on PCs no matter what you do whereas Macs seem to correct your mistakes for you almost. I may be paying just for the OS but it is totally worth it. Hell, Windows runs better on a Mac than on a dedicated Windows machine. Cohesive well built hardware FTW.

[Joe Redifer]

I admit that the 360 is a total POS hardware, but the library is amazing, and playing online rules. PS3 and Wii have free online, but having to download patches just to get games to play right and the retarded friends codes are not my idea of an ideal online setup. It's free, but you get what you pay for.

If people were smart they wouldn't have bought all of those Xbox360s in the first place back in the beginning when they all started breaking down. Great games (I guess) are released for the console because of all of the consoles sold. If people stopped buying the damn thing, those games would be on a better platform. So the bottom line is that people are stupid. I blame Halo. I really don't think the 360 lineup is amazing. Its best game is Test Drive Unlimited and the other great game is Dead Rising. There are some other good ones like Ace Combat 6 and Rez HD, but beyond those few I'd say the 360 lineup is pretty boring. I absolutely abhor FPS games, they are the worst thing to happen to gaming pretty much ever, in my opinion.

As far as online goes, I'm not sure what patches you are talking about unless it is Little Big Planet. Most PS3 games work seamlessly online. I don't think I would want to fork over an extra $50 a year just so I don't have to wait a day or two until a free patch comes out. I like the PS3 online experience far more as well. You can use just about any USB or Bluetooth keyboard, just about any USB or Bluetooth headset, a combination of both and just about any webcam that is USB2 compatible. You don't have to use MS's proprietary nonsense. So really, Xbox Live is a complete waste of money. That's why I don't pay for it. But I enjoy playing online on the PS3... from time to time. Single player gaming or gaming with your buddies in the same room are still the best.

[MrMatthews]

Gears of War 1 & 2, Bioshock, and Lost Planet are all better games than Dead Rising. The frustration level in that game quite thoroughly counters how fun it is to run around a mall killing zombies with whatever you can lay your hands on.

[Joe Redifer]

Wow. I dislike all of the games you mention with the exception of Gears of War. That one wasn't bad... but not good enough for me to care about Gears of War 2. Lost Planet was alright at best. Bioshock can bite me. Those last 2 aren't even exclusives. Dead Rising is fairly easy to complete Not super-easy, mind you. You don't have to kill all of the bosses and do everything they tell you over the walkie.

Also, is it a rule in every game these days that there must be some all-seeing asshat talking to you over a radio? I am absolutely sick of that.

[MrMatthews]

One of the cool aspects of Bioshock is that the "asshat" doesn't interupt your game every 15 seconds like Otis does in Dead Rising. But Bioshock only recently became "non-exclusive," as Dead Rising itself is about to do once the Wii game comes out.

[Joe Redifer]

That asshat talks to me all the time in Bioshock. He calls me a "boil", whatever the hell that is. Radio chatter = the devil. Bioshock = the devil's wet turd.

[Tanegashima]

I thought halo jumped ship and will be cross platform from now on...

[MrMatthews]

That asshat talks to me all the time in Bioshock. He calls me a "boil", whatever the hell that is. Radio chatter = the devil. Bioshock = the devil's wet turd.


He's saying "boil?" All this time I thought he was saying "Boy-o" like all the other Irish stereotypes!

Oh well. Everyone's entitled to their opinion (even if their opinions are incorrect, like yours in this case :))

[Joe Redifer]

Is that what he is saying? I never understood Irish folks. Everyone should speak American English. We are teh roxxorz!

[17daysolderthannes]

If people were smart they wouldn't have bought all of those Xbox360s in the first place back in the beginning when they all started breaking down. Great games (I guess) are released for the console because of all of the consoles sold. If people stopped buying the damn thing, those games would be on a better platform. So the bottom line is that people are stupid. I blame Halo. I really don't think the 360 lineup is amazing. Its best game is Test Drive Unlimited and the other great game is Dead Rising. There are some other good ones like Ace Combat 6 and Rez HD, but beyond those few I'd say the 360 lineup is pretty boring. I absolutely abhor FPS games, they are the worst thing to happen to gaming pretty much ever, in my opinion.

As far as online goes, I'm not sure what patches you are talking about unless it is Little Big Planet. Most PS3 games work seamlessly online. I don't think I would want to fork over an extra $50 a year just so I don't have to wait a day or two until a free patch comes out. I like the PS3 online experience far more as well. You can use just about any USB or Bluetooth keyboard, just about any USB or Bluetooth headset, a combination of both and just about any webcam that is USB2 compatible. You don't have to use MS's proprietary nonsense. So really, Xbox Live is a complete waste of money. That's why I don't pay for it. But I enjoy playing online on the PS3... from time to time. Single player gaming or gaming with your buddies in the same room are still the best.

Amen, thank god someone else gets it. I don't know why everyone keeps standing by XBOX 360 so much. I mean, if you say anything good about the PS3 you are a fanboy and stubborn, but somehow liking the 360 in spite of its multitude of setbacks is just perfectly OK. I really do have an anti-Microsoft bias, but even if the XBOX 360 was released by Sega I would have a hard time swallowing all of its hardware failures and unnecessarily expensive add ons and services (LIVE). When it comes to video games, I don't look at the brand name, I look at the product (especially with hardware) and with the XBOX 360 I see the biggest marketing trick the world has ever known. I think we all would be in a better gaming place if everyone had just bought a PS3 to start with. Its OK though, PS3 and all other Sony systems are on a 10 year plan, so its only a matter of time before it becomes a force to be reckoned with, especially once people get tired of their 3rd or 4th RROD.

[Joe Redifer]

I find it funny how every time Metal Gear Solid 4 is nearly announced for the 360, the majority of 360 owners usually respond with something like "OOOOOO PWND u looooserz u have no xclusives now u all suk ha ha ha lol the ps3 is teh suk omg!" But when something like Bioshock goes to the PS3, the Xbox community is like "who carez? it iz a throwaway game everyone has already played it so it duzent matter lol ps3 is teh suk gettin old games lololol"

[MrMatthews]

Share and share alike, I say.

[Parker619]

so,, will i be fine with a 512mb memory card for xbox live and such?

[Elusive]

so,, will i be fine with a 512mb memory card for xbox live and such?

As long as you don't intend on downloading any demos, Live Arcade games or ripping music CDs you'll be fine.

[edit] I think people are getting a bit emotional - are we really calling people 'PS3 gamers' and 'Xbox gamers' based on their personality and not their console now? Really?

FUCKING N64 GAMERS I SWEAR they just don't shut up *waves fists in air*

[TheEdge]

I can't believe all the stuff I am hearing about the RROD. Someone on the Sega of America Forums just said causually

"I've been playing a lot of Dreamcast lately because my Xbox 360 just died"

How the hell can someone causually just say a $400.00 console just "dies" and they arent flipping out!

I would have went insane.

[MrMatthews]

As long as you don't intend on downloading any demos, Live Arcade games or ripping music CDs you'll be fine.

[edit] I think people are getting a bit emotional - are we really calling people 'PS3 gamers' and 'Xbox gamers' based on their personality and not their console now? Really?


To be fair, it's those obnoxious PS3 gamers who are at fault. 360 gamers are a pretty docile group.

[Segs]

The Xbox 360 was a rushed system, the Xbox only had a lifespan of like less than 4 Years and Microsoft quickly jump to a new project in hope that they can claim the next generation of systems, Microsoft rushed in early so they could beat Sony and hope to get solid ground before all the other systems but in the meantime slipped on hardware they didn't really take their time with it and so people ended up with Red-Rings ect... I'd say if Microsoft were to release the system even a month/2 Months after the Initial release and at least tested the system/ had a proper look over it then we wouldn't have had the breakdowns and Microsoft still would have had that lead.

But as of now, the Wii is dominating due to its low price ( at the time ) and a new way to play games/ appeal to everyone. But even the Playstation 3 is slowly creeping up behind the Xbox 360 and it came out a Year after and is more expensive. Customers ( Who I deal with ) are 50/50 on buying Xbox 360's, theres some who will just buy it without knowing what can happen, and theres people sceptical on whether to buy it or not because its risky for them, this Red-ring fiasco has given Microsoft bad rep.

[MrMatthews]

Does anyone know a realistic percentage of 360's that fall to RROD?

[Joe Redifer]

Microsoft says 30 or 35% but I am betting it is closer to 75-80% in reality.

[TheEdge]

Microsoft says 30 or 35% but I am betting it is closer to 75-80% in reality.

Yikes.

Microsoft can absorb those losses but I don't know if Sony can considering the PS3 is doing just as bad.

[MrMatthews]

Yikes.

Microsoft can absorb those losses but I don't know if Sony can considering the PS3 is doing just as bad.


Dude, what have you done?

Now we're going to have to endure another long-winded, pompous monologue.

[TheEdge]

Dude, what have you done?

Now we're going to have to endure another long-winded, pompous monologue.

What did I do now? :confused::daze:

[Joe Redifer]

Microsoft can absorb those losses but I don't know if Sony can considering the PS3 is doing just as bad.

The PS3 has excellent build quality and it is hard to find a user who has had their breaks down on them (aside from maybe a rare freeze). They are very well built.

[Metal_Sonic]

Too bad load times are shit and there is only a few worthile exclusives. My 360 has never RROD'd or none of my friends. The fail rate is <33% If you want a gaming machine get a 360, want something to be a media center go with a PS3. TheEdge meant Sony was taking a loss on the PS3 because they arent selling.

[MrMatthews]

I will concede that the PS3 is probably a far better piece of hardware, especially if you want to watch DVDs and that kind of thing on your . . . gaming console (I cut my disc-based gaming experience on the PS1 & GameCube - DVD capabilities don't impress me at all).

But as far as exclusives, I was more impressed with the XBox library, although for the most part both machines have the same games. I originally came for Doom & Halo, but I stayed for Gears of War, Bioshock (at the time) and the far superior online experience. The XBLA is fantastic.

[Joe Redifer]

I don't think XBL is superior. The only thing it really has is cross-game invites, which in my opinion would be pretty annoying. My PSN experience has been mostly flawless. The game libraries of both are unimpressive. I bought the PS3 mainly as a Blu-ray player. It is still the best Blu-ray player on the market. Blu-ray is friggin' awesome! But if there is a multi-platform title, I'll buy it for the PS3. I know my PS3 will work perfectly into the future. Plus the online experience is free. I am afraid to even turn my Xbox 360 on.

MrMatthews, if you cut your disc-based gaming experience at the PS1 and Gamecube, what the hell are you doing with a 360? You do know that the 360 uses discs... right?

[Metal_Sonic]

The new Xbox dashboard and features im afraid puts XBL over PSN IMO. I played on PSN and it just felt barren. No one was talking so it felt more like a bot match(Resistance and Motorstorm). Of course all my friends only have 360's so my opinion is biased since I had no one to play with.

[MrMatthews]

I don't think XBL is superior. The only thing it really has is cross-game invites, which in my opinion would be pretty annoying. My PSN experience has been mostly flawless. The game libraries of both are unimpressive.

But here's the thing, Joe: from what I've seen, your taste in games is rarely indicative of popular opinion. Maybe you aren't impressed with the XBLA library, but the simple fact is that the amount of games offered by the 360 for download absolutely decimates the selection on the PS Store, and many of these games are excellent (N+, Pac-Man CE, Castle Crashers, Braid, Ikaruga, Alien Hominid, Undertow, and Geometry Wars, just to name a few).

The PS Store is unimpressive, as you said, but the same cannot be said about the XBLA . . . IMO. I consider downloadable content part of the online experience, and that is where the 360 has the PS3 beat.


MrMatthews, if you cut your disc-based gaming experience at the PS1 and Gamecube, what the hell are you doing with a 360? You do know that the 360 uses discs... right?

Yeah, I fucked that up. What I was going for is "I cut my disc-based gaming teeth on consoles like the PS1 and the GameCube."

[Benjamin]

The PS Store is unimpressive, as you said, but the same cannot be said about the XBLA . . . IMO. I consider downloadable content part of the online experience, and that is where the 360 has the PS3 beat.

In addition, the great thing about Xbox Live is that I know that all Live games will continuously be supported, even as its on-line population dwindles. So far, consoles which have offered free on-line access for games have dropped support once the game is no longer popular. I'm not entirely assured that will be negated on PSN based on how things were handled with PS2 and other free on-line gaming consoles.

All in all, it comes down to what you want to play. The only PS3 games which mildly interest me are Fat Princess, LocoRoco, Jeopardy, and Spelunker HD, and those just aren't worth the investment in another system for me.

[Elusive]

In addition, the great thing about Xbox Live is that I know that all Live games will continuously be supported, even as its on-line population dwindles.

This, to me, is the 'you get what you pay for' argument. Because the XBL service uses Microsoft's gigantic 'Live' server farm - that also covers stuff like Live Hotmail, Messenger and all that - it means that the servers aren't likely to go away for a long, long time. A service run on dedicated servers - i.e. where the cost of the game in theory covers the multiplayer costs - is great for a more unique multiplayer flavour, as you don't need to meet the same conditions as every other company out there before you can connect to the approved network. But, on the other hand, there's the risk of this backfiring - for example, EA use dedicated servers for all their games, and they regularly shut down the multiplayer component of their older games once a refreshed version is released.

£40 for a year's service isn't all that bad, in retrospect, especially considering that, besides last Christmas' week-long on-and-off period, the service has been running non-stop since 2002.

[Joe Redifer]

But here's the thing, Joe: from what I've seen, your taste in games is rarely indicative of popular opinion."

That's because I'm not a mindless 'tard who always follows the crowd. Of course, PS3-hating is pretty popular right now, especially with the younger set. .

Keep in mind that online gaming, to me, is a low priority at best. It is fun once in awhile, but I'd never ever buy a game for the online experience alone. Regardless of if the servers are there or now, in the future the players won't be. So you may sign on to play a rousing game of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles XBLA with a random person, but good luck finding anyone to play with unless you and a friend plan before hand to meet online (which is what I usually do). To me, if the meat and potatoes (yum) aren't in the single player, then the game is a failure to me. That's why I don't own shit like Warhawk. That's why I only played the Resistance 2 beta for 30 seconds before coming bored and deleting it. Online gaming seems to me to be more for people who don't have friends close to them at the moment in real life that can come over and play. That's why I play online when I do... just for a quick, casual game with friends I know in real life.

At the end of the day, the PS3 as a whole has offered me more entertainment in my 11 months of ownership than my Xbox360 has in my 2+ years of ownership. And let's not even mention the Wii.

[MrMatthews]

Keep in mind that online gaming, to me, is a low priority at best. It is fun once in awhile, but I'd never ever buy a game for the online experience alone. Regardless of if the servers are there or now, in the future the players won't be. So you may sign on to play a rousing game of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles XBLA with a random person, but good luck finding anyone to play with unless you and a friend plan before hand to meet online (which is what I usually do). To me, if the meat and potatoes (yum) aren't in the single player, then the game is a failure to me. That's why I don't own shit like Warhawk. That's why I only played the Resistance 2 beta for 30 seconds before coming bored and deleting it. Online gaming seems to me to be more for people who don't have friends close to them at the moment in real life that can come over and play. That's why I play online when I do... just for a quick, casual game with friends I know in real life.




It seems that we agree on something, at least. :)

I couldn't care less about online gaming myself, but the games available for download are specifically what I was referring to.

And the Wii isn't THAT bad. Metroid Prime 3 was pretty good, and Super Mario Galaxy was awesome. None of the systems today have exactly a TON of exclusive games that make them worth owning, anyway. (the Wii probably has more than the other two, but whatever)

[Joe Redifer]

Yeah Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy are both phenomenal and the reason I keep my Wii. Beyond that...

I agree about the quantity and quality of the downloadable games. I love that I was able to download the arcade versions of Golden Axe and TMNT, etc despite Digital Eclipse's shoddy emulation. I also love my Rez HD. PSN only seems to have originals and I haven't seen anything really worth downloading yet. Pixeljunk Monsters is cool, but I hear it is balls-to-the-wall hard after the first few levels.

[MrMatthews]

I was also curious about Echochrome.