Sega playing Mac owners rejoice!

[17daysolderthannes]

http://www.eidolons-inn.net/tiki-index.php?page=kega

WE FINALLY GOT FUSION!!!!

YES, THAT'S RIGHT!

All the greatness of the PC version except for Sega CD compatibility. Allegedly its compatible with Sega CD games in the bin/cue format, but the one game I had like that (road rash) didn't boot. I think he's going to add iso/cue format soon though. Until then, at least we have 100% Genesis/32X compatibility and the most accurate emulator around. See ya later POS Genesis Plus. Granted, this isn't that huge for me since I've been using the PC version in Parallels since I got this Intel Mac, but, its nice to boot it about 2 minutes faster than if I had to start up XP first.

[Rassilon]

meh. i'd rather play on the real hardware.

Good to see the Mac get some love though.

[17daysolderthannes]

meh. i'd rather play on the real hardware.

Good to see the Mac get some love though.

of course, we all would, but its the best way to play games you haven't been able to track down in the price/condition you want yet, especially import games. Its also good if a particular part of a game is giving you trouble and you want some save state help.

[The Sports Guy]

wait. we get 32X too! Terrific!

Just give it time and he will have it ready to go for Sega CD. That's amazing.

[David J.]

I loathe Mac's and the Apple Corp... but good to see you guys can now enjoy it.

[evildragon]

Hmm.. No need to boot into Windows now...

[17daysolderthannes]

wait. we get 32X too! Terrific!

Just give it time and he will have it ready to go for Sega CD. That's amazing.

well, you can play Sega CD now with the buggy port of Gens, but I'll just boot into XP if I really want to play a Sega CD game, but I have pretty much every Sega CD game I want to play so I would just play it on real hardware anyway.

[Nunzio]

I loathe Mac's and the Apple Corp... but good to see you guys can now enjoy it.

I have recently taken to Macs for designing. They are damn near impossible to crash and there is none of that 'out of RAM' bullshit. It just sits there rendering until it's done.

[David J.]

I honestly wasn't trying to turn this in to a Mac vs PC thread, as I was just saying I think this is great for Apple users despite me not liking the company and computers themselves.

I will admit that I do think it sucks for them they can't enjoy a lot of the great emulators out there for Windows, unless they use Boot Camp. Only reason I think it sucks is because they have a decent-size user base, plus why they fuck would you have a closed source emulator in this day and age?

[Nunzio]

Oh I know, I'm just saying that I recently got into Macs myself. I don't think either one is superior across the board.

[17daysolderthannes]

Oh I know, I'm just saying that I recently got into Macs myself. I don't think either one is superior across the board.

The way I see it, and the way I use it, Macs are the reliable computer that you do all of the important stuff that you don't want to lose/get messed up and PCs are for homebrew fiddling like emulators, psp custom firmware MMS makers, modding XBOXes, etc. The architecture of PCs is much more bare bones and simplistic, so it yields itself to lots of low funded free programming. I don't think I would ever use a PC as my primary computer, but its always good to keep one for auxiliary tasks that you can't do on a mac.

[InternalPrimate]

Hmm.. No need to boot into Windows now...

Pretty much the entire reason I use Bootcamp :D This is awesome news, thanks 17days.

[Joe Redifer]

This is good news. It'll be great to take screen shots with when I review games and whatnot (for another site, not for Sega-16).

[TmEE]

This is quite old news :P

Eidolon's inn needs more attention...

Good XP setup should boot within 15 seconds after you have plugged the power cord into a wall outlet... at least the setup on my gaming machine does boot that fast.

[Joe Redifer]

Only if you don't have much installed on it.

[Joe Redifer]

This FUSION isn't very good. It crashes immediately when trying to run 32X games. It also doesn't let you map a button for screenshots. You have to use the keyboard.

[evildragon]

This FUSION isn't very good. It crashes immediately when trying to run 32X games. It also doesn't let you map a button for screenshots. You have to use the keyboard.
I got mine playing 32X games and with a gamepad..

For gamepad, the god of software GamePad companion is a wonder.

[17daysolderthannes]

This FUSION isn't very good. It crashes immediately when trying to run 32X games. It also doesn't let you map a button for screenshots. You have to use the keyboard.

32X works fine for me, you must be getting bad dumps or something. I don't think the PC lets you map controller buttons for screen shots either, though I could be wrong, because I, like a normal Mac owner, just use Shift+Command+3. Why on earth would you need a controller button for screenshots? are you really taking that many? Remember also, this is a VERY early/rough port, he plans on working out all of the oddities/bugs/etc. in future updates.

[warriorisabouttodie]

Anyone have a better link to this emulator? The one in the OP doesnt work....


thanks!

[Joe Redifer]

Why on earth would you need a controller button for screenshots?
Convenience. You can't play the game and press Command-S all at the same time. Otherwise I have to pause it and pause screens aren't always clean (they may resort to a menu or say PAUSE or whatnot). A button on the controller to press in the heat of the moment gets the best screenshots. I use a USB Xbox 360 controller since I already have it. PS3 controller doesn't seem to work on the Mac.

Shift+Command+3 captures the entire screen and is even more cumbersome than command-S or even Print Screen on Windows.

I am downloading my 32X ROMS from ROMnation. Both FIFA and Space Harrier crash. I did not try any others. I also tried downloading 32X BIOS files but that didn't seem to help, either. They really should work out the bugs before they release it... the major ones, anyway.

[17daysolderthannes]

Convenience. You can't play the game and press Command-S all at the same time. Otherwise I have to pause it and pause screens aren't always clean (they may resort to a menu or say PAUSE or whatnot). A button on the controller to press in the heat of the moment gets the best screenshots. I use a USB Xbox 360 controller since I already have it. PS3 controller doesn't seem to work on the Mac.

Shift+Command+3 captures the entire screen and is even more cumbersome than command-S or even Print Screen on Windows.

I am downloading my 32X ROMS from ROMnation. Both FIFA and Space Harrier crash. I did not try any others. I also tried downloading 32X BIOS files but that didn't seem to help, either. They really should work out the bugs before they release it... the major ones, anyway.

Me playing Space Harrier and taking a screen shot with Command+Shift+3.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s190/specv4life/rediferfail.jpg

try downloading from emucation.com, rom-world.com, or doperoms.com

Screen shots are lame anyway, bootleg iShowU by downloading the demo and getting the regkey from youtube, then you can capture video and pull screenshots from the exact frame you want.

[Joe Redifer]

Screenshots aren't lame when I need to capture pics for a review. You aren't even doing anything in Space Harrier. You have let go of the controls. And yes, Command+Shift+3 is crazy cumbersome. I didn't fail, you failed because you grabbed everything else instead of just the game screen, so now you'd have to import it into Photoshop and crop out everything else.

Now I just want to know why KEGA fails when I try to launch a 32X game. It doesn't seem to matter where I download the ROMs from.

Ha ha you have iMovie in your Dock. LOL. iMovie.

[17daysolderthannes]

Screenshots aren't lame when I need to capture pics for a review. You aren't even doing anything in Space Harrier. You have let go of the controls. And yes, Command+Shift+3 is crazy cumbersome. I didn't fail, you failed because you grabbed everything else instead of just the game screen, so now you'd have to import it into Photoshop and crop out everything else.

Now I just want to know why KEGA fails when I try to launch a 32X game. It doesn't seem to matter where I download the ROMs from.

Ha ha you have iMovie in your Dock. LOL. iMovie.

I took a screenshot of the whole thing to prove I was playing it on a mac, it only takes 1 second to crop it in preview anyway. Now it could be screwing up because you messed with the 32X bios files. Try deleting it and starting over with fresh everything. I have had no compatibility problems except with Sega CD, and that's something he stated right next to the download link. What version of OS X are you running? are you on an Intel mac? I'm on a OS X 10.5.6 Intel imac. Oh, and iMovie rocks, you just can't handle its jawsomeness. iMovie HD is the only one I use, the new iMovie blows, HD is nice for quick editing though and is surprisingly powerful for what it is. I'll get around to bootlegging Final Cut eventually...

[Joe Redifer]

It didn't work even before I downloaded new BIOS files. I am running 10.4.11. I don't like 10.5 and will be waiting to see if 10.6 is less lame than 10.5. If not, I will be switching to Windows for my next computer. At work we have refused 10.5 because it breaks more than it fixes and our stuff works great as it is anyway. The fact that Timecapsule doesn't even back up to a bootable drive is ridiculous. Super Duper is the far better solution (and free). Also, iMovie (any version) can't hold a candle to Final Cut Studio (any version). I don't need to bootleg it.

[The Sports Guy]

the link in the original post is dead.

[Joe Redifer]

Yeah, they pulled it. That means that Kega Fusion for MAC is super-rare. I'm selling mine on eBay!

[TmEE]

you're gonna be a millionaire :twisted:

[17daysolderthannes]

It didn't work even before I downloaded new BIOS files. I am running 10.4.11. I don't like 10.5 and will be waiting to see if 10.6 is less lame than 10.5. If not, I will be switching to Windows for my next computer. At work we have refused 10.5 because it breaks more than it fixes and our stuff works great as it is anyway. The fact that Timecapsule doesn't even back up to a bootable drive is ridiculous. Super Duper is the far better solution (and free). Also, iMovie (any version) can't hold a candle to Final Cut Studio (any version). I don't need to bootleg it.

Yeah, only $1300 vs. absolutely free, what a difficult decision! Saying iMovie doesn't hold a candle to Final Cut is like saying a Honda Civic doesn't hold a candle to an Acura NSX-R. iMovie is the stripped/dumbed down version of Final Cut for easy editing by people making home movies. Final Cut is for making full scale movies and commercial productions. So 10.5 is bad huh? heard of Vista? ok, now we're done with that theory. Vista is the PC version of Red Ring of Death, except it never gets fixed and never goes away, well, I guess its the same then.

[17daysolderthannes]

the link in the original post is dead.

I think the site's just down temporarily, Eidelonn's Inn has been online forever.

try this place:

http://www.vg-network.com/kega-fusion-macos

if that doesn't work, just google "Kega Fusion Mac OS X" and you'll find a link eventually.

[sega fan]

So 10.5 is bad huh? heard of Vista? ok, now we're done with that theory. Vista is the PC version of Red Ring of Death, except it never gets fixed and never goes away, well, I guess its the same then.

THANK YOU !!!

I used a mac in 7th grade in computer and video production class and Final cut IS leaps and bounds better then iMovie and Window movie maker. Also everything you said about Vista is epic trueness.

[Joe Redifer]

iMovie is the stripped/dumbed down version of Final Cut for easy editing by people making home movies.
No it isn't. Final Cut Express is a stripped/dumbed down version of Final Cut. iMovie is it's own product and does not work in any similar way to Final Cut. It is absolutely infuriating. I tried to show my dad how to use iMovie once, and I couldn't. Too used to Final Cut Studio.

[JDB]

I've got a few macs, I've only got 10.5 on one of them (the one i can't put 10.4 on because it's work's). I think 10.5 added some features for 'new features sake', personally I don't use spaces and stacks, but I know a lot of people do... Different strokes for different folks.

Oh, and this fusion build is for Intel macs only, so I won't be able to use it as my Mega Drive emulator on my trusty g4

[mick_aka]

Just to note, running everything I've thrown at it full speed on my MacBook Pro.
Played Thunderforce III full screen on the train yesterday, awesome.

[TmEE]

BTW, Eidolon's Inn is functional again

[Metal_Sonic]

Well Joe that is what you get for buying an overpriced POS of a Mac.

[17daysolderthannes]

No it isn't. Final Cut Express is a stripped/dumbed down version of Final Cut. iMovie is it's own product and does not work in any similar way to Final Cut. It is absolutely infuriating. I tried to show my dad how to use iMovie once, and I couldn't. Too used to Final Cut Studio.

You probably used the newest "iMovie" bullshit that people complained about so much that they started giving people with the new iMovie a free download of iMovie HD (the previous version before they completely redesigned it). The OLD iMovie works somewhat similar to Final Cut (from what I've seen, never actually used it), but even still, iMovie is the Honda Civic to the Acura NSX-R. Final Cut Pro vs. Final Cut Express is like an NSX vs. and NSX-R, which believe it or not is like $50,000 worth of tiny incremental upgrades.


Well Joe that is what you get for buying an overpriced POS of a Mac.

Macs run Windows better than PCs if you know what you're doing. Macs are solidly built quality hardware and OS X is the best operating system you can get for mainstream computer functions (internet, word processing, editing, etc.). The only time it sucks is if you want to do more homebrew/hacking stuff like modding XBOXes or PSPs, flashing a Genesis flashcart, or making/running user made games.

[Joe Redifer]

You don't know much about video editing, do you, 17Days? I have the old iMovie on this machine. Nothing like Final Cut Pro. There are more than incremental increases between Express and Pro as well, especially when you consider what Studio comes with (I think it is about 6 or 7 full DVDs (dual layer) of content. Try torrenting all that. That'd be over 35 GB if you wanted it. Otherwise you'd just get the stripped FCP app and maybe a stripped DVD Studio Pro app. Livetype is useless without the extra content as is Soundtrack Pro.

[mick_aka]

On a vaguely related note, has anyone used Premiere Pro + After Effects since the Mac versions were reintroduced?
Doubt I will ditch FCP for anything now but Premiere Pro was my 'quick and easy' editor of choice many years ago.

[Joe Redifer]

I still prefer After Effects over Motion myself. Premiere Pro can bite me, though it has improved much. Still, for editing 24p stuff it isn't very ideal.

[Tanegashima]

17days: Joe is a video editor professionally I think he is somewhat of an authority on the matter.

That, and he is our God here.

I might also add that your $1300 vs. free point is moronic. You scream about how damn good Mac's are yet the least expensive useful one is over four times more expensive than my HP. Not only that, but my HP COMES with Word...I don't have to fork out over $100 for all the outrageously priced Mac software.

My dad got the iMac a year after it came out and all it had was POS Appleworks. My dad bought Word...three weeks later...he just gave me damn computer when Wordperfect 11 came out.

I sold it for $500...I also hate flat Mac keyboards and I hate their mice.

For the Proletariat, PCs are a much better option...


In fact, for actual office type work, PCs are FAR FAR better.

[Joe Redifer]

I hate Mac mice as well, that's why I use a Microsoft mouse on my Mac. The keyboards have gotten better, but I don't like the new super-thin ones. Appleworks, LOL.

[17daysolderthannes]

I hate Mac mice as well, that's why I use a Microsoft mouse on my Mac. The keyboards have gotten better, but I don't like the new super-thin ones. Appleworks, LOL.

I'm not a fan of mac mice either, they've done some stupid shit in that department. I prefer Logitech peripherals, sometimes I use the trackball I bought for an older laptop. Trackball>touchpad anyday, I don't know why they ever switched, touchpads make the baby jesus cry.

[Gentlegamer]

The only time it sucks is if you want to do more homebrew/hacking stuff like modding XBOXes or PSPs, flashing a Genesis flashcart, or making/running user made games.So for doing cool stuff, PC is better.

[Joe Redifer]

Depends on your definition of "cool stuff". Videogame stuff??? Yeah, PCs win. Video editing? Macs win. I'd rather be creative and edit video than hack a flashcart, but that's just me. One is definitely more profitable than the other!

[evildragon]

These are just not from the same mold.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v395/Evilweredragon/notsame.jpg

I do video work as a hobby. Photography is what I do professionally. Hell, I just bought a new dSLR..

[ott0bot]

17days: Joe is a video editor professionally I think he is somewhat of an authority on the matter.

That, and he is our God here.

I might also add that your $1300 vs. free point is moronic. You scream about how damn good Mac's are yet the least expensive useful one is over four times more expensive than my HP. Not only that, but my HP COMES with Word...I don't have to fork out over $100 for all the outrageously priced Mac software.

My dad got the iMac a year after it came out and all it had was POS Appleworks. My dad bought Word...three weeks later...he just gave me damn computer when Wordperfect 11 came out.

I sold it for $500...I also hate flat Mac keyboards and I hate their mice.

For the Proletariat, PCs are a much better option...


In fact, for actual office type work, PCs are FAR FAR better.

I use Neo Office for my mac, which is a free download, and it runs flawlessly. The files are completely compatable with office and it's free. Generally when you purchase a new PC you have to pay extra for Office to be installed, or you just get Microsoft Word. You get it pre-installed...which you can do with MACs too.

Also, I do audio recording and I can tell you for a fact that Pro Tools runs much better on MACs. Every studio I've worked at uses macs and rarely has a computer crash. PC's just don't offer that reliability.

They both have there advantages but it seems to me that Macs are just designed with the idea that it's users are going to do something creative. Also macs don't come loaded with all the thrid party trial programs and crap they are trying to sell you like PCs. Then you have to spend the first several hours on you new PC unistalling prgrams you don't want.

oh...and hooray for fusion on the mac! I've been using the Richard Bannister designed Genesis emualtor Genesis Plus....works great, but nice to know I can play 32x games now too.

[Joe Redifer]

Evildragon, that Final Cut Pro screenshot in your post is crazy! Who configures it like that? I could never work with the timeline so tiny. I MUST have it spread across the entire screen since that is where the work is actually done. My configuration usually looks like this:

http://www.joeredifer.com/crap/fcp.jpg

Works really well.

[evildragon]

I merely Googled that image..

http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/software/detail-page/FCP-lg.jpg

I think they just have a super high resolution screen and the overall screenshot is downsized.

[Joe Redifer]

No, the windows are configured oddly. Who puts the bin on the bottom next to the timeline?

[David J.]

The fuck I never understood is why the hell are Macs better than PC's for media editing? Why are the companies pretty much making their programs for Mac only? Just curious.

I remember in the 1990's there was a huge push for Mac's in schools here, and I hated them. I remember in the 6th grade, at HOME I had a solid AMD K6 200MHz, 3DFX Voodoo 1, 64MB of Ram, etc and it ripped the shit out of the brand new iMac's the school bought. I hated those fucking things. Slow as shit, the mouse sucked, keyboard was nice i'll admit that, but god awful otherwise. And the 6th grade was the only section of the school that had the new iMac's. Did I mention they crashed a lot? Mac's crash? Fuck me...

Really tho, I'm not weeping about it since I don't really care about video editing, and the extent of my video editing is uhm... fucking around in movie maker, making shit videos I like to post on youtube. So as long as you aren't one those fucktards "well, I've owned a Mac for 30 days and I'm proud to be a part of the Mac community..."

I really don't give a shit what you use. I'm happy with what I use, if you're happy, that's swell and fine...

[evildragon]

Oh GOD change your avatar man!

[Joe Redifer]

David J, your command of the English language has weakened since entering the military. But I agree, the original iMacs were horrible! That hockey puck of a mouse was unbearable. However, it was one of the first computers with USB... ever.

[17daysolderthannes]

The fuck I never understood is why the hell are Macs better than PC's for media editing? Why are the companies pretty much making their programs for Mac only? Just curious.

I remember in the 1990's there was a huge push for Mac's in schools here, and I hated them. I remember in the 6th grade, at HOME I had a solid AMD K6 200MHz, 3DFX Voodoo 1, 64MB of Ram, etc and it ripped the shit out of the brand new iMac's the school bought. I hated those fucking things. Slow as shit, the mouse sucked, keyboard was nice i'll admit that, but god awful otherwise. And the 6th grade was the only section of the school that had the new iMac's. Did I mention they crashed a lot? Mac's crash? Fuck me...

Really tho, I'm not weeping about it since I don't really care about video editing, and the extent of my video editing is uhm... fucking around in movie maker, making shit videos I like to post on youtube. So as long as you aren't one those fucktards "well, I've owned a Mac for 30 days and I'm proud to be a part of the Mac community..."

I really don't give a shit what you use. I'm happy with what I use, if you're happy, that's swell and fine...

OK, so you've just successfully compared a modded twin turbo 300ZX to a Volkswagen New Beetle. The (original) iMac was a fruity little "cute" computer built for retards to get on the internet as easily as possible. Back then I was rocking a G3 tower (once we upgraded from the 200Mhz PowerPC) and it was head and shoulders over an iMac. I'm actually using an iMac right now, but the newer iMacs are actually a decent desktop computer, nothing like the original.

My school also used Macs. In grade school, they ran normal OS and they worked fine for the most part, I don't remember them ever really crashing. Then, in high school, they had this god awful shit called "Mac Manager" that was some program that limited access to all but the "approved" school programs. That mess was gay as hell and crashed all the time.

Like I've said before, for day to day use, you just can't beat a mac. There's really no way to convey it without owning one.

[David J.]

We used the Mac's for some CCC program while I was in the 6th grade. The old macs used throughout the school would have been decent enough, but that's New York state for you! I don't think they had any special software installed - I really don't remember, don't care, and does it matter 10 years later?

Then tell me why the hell I have had a awful experience with something that people praise to be the second coming?!

As for day to day computing, that's your opinion... I have no complaints with PC's.

[Joe Redifer]

Then tell me why the hell I have had a awful experience with something that people praise to be the second coming?

Macs aren't the second coming. You're thinking of Obama who is the second incarnation of Jesus. Except that Jesus was a white honkey boy. That means Jesus was a racist prick. Obama, however, is perfect. He's Jesus 2.0.

[Iron Lizard]

I don't think I fully comprehend what you just said there Joe but it was awesome.

[wonderbutt]

Hi there people.

Well, I have a strange problem using Kega Fusion on OSX Lion (10.7.4)
Seems it just hangs (bounces in the dock) and won't run.

Anyone else with this problem?

[Joe Redifer]

Is it the latest version? The latest one I have is 3.63i. I haven't tried it in Lion, still in 10.6.

[dapperdan]

I use Genesis Plus... Tell me why this is wrong?

Oh yeah, and I was trying to hook up my PS3 controller to play some of the games... But that didn't work. :-/

[Guntz]

Wow, this thread sure is a blast from the past... At least for me.

[wonderbutt]

Is it the latest version? The latest one I have is 3.63i. I haven't tried it in Lion, still in 10.6.

Yes, I am sorry, i forgot to mention, it is the latest release. I never had an issue with Fusion before on Snow Leopard.
Another reason to hate Lion, I guess.

Ok, update: I just downloaded version 3.52 and it works fine.
Something must to do with Lion (ugh).

By the way I love reading your posts, you're the Tom Servo of this forum heh

[wonderbutt]

I use Genesis Plus too! It's great, but I like me my Sega CD games though! :)

[max]

FWIW - If you're getting the endless bouncing in the dock using Lion or a newer version of OS X. I resolved the issue by downloading a different copy of Kega Fusion.

Both were v3.63i - one was 1.1MB and the other was 982kb. The 982kb copy worked great.

[Saturn Fan]

http://www.eidolons-inn.net/tiki-index.php?page=kega

WE FINALLY GOT FUSION!!!!

YES, THAT'S RIGHT!

All the greatness of the PC version except for Sega CD compatibility. Allegedly its compatible with Sega CD games in the bin/cue format, but the one game I had like that (road rash) didn't boot. I think he's going to add iso/cue format soon though. Until then, at least we have 100% Genesis/32X compatibility and the most accurate emulator around. See ya later POS Genesis Plus. Granted, this isn't that huge for me since I've been using the PC version in Parallels since I got this Intel Mac, but, its nice to boot it about 2 minutes faster than if I had to start up XP first.


Neat but....who uses a mac? lol.

Fusion is about as good as it gets for all pre-32 bit era Sega goodness.

Now if only they'd work on a Saturn Emu with the same quality :D

[JDB]

FFS, every time someone quotes 17daysolderthannes, God kills an Engineer.....

STOP THE SLAUGHTER OF ENGINEERS!!!!

[The Jackal]

So, regarding Macs, anyone with the techno-know-how know if OSX can be "emulated" on Windows or Linux? I know it's impossible via VirtualBox.

[AlecRob]

Neat but....who uses a mac? lol.

Fusion is about as good as it gets for all pre-32 bit era Sega goodness.

Now if only they'd work on a Saturn Emu with the same quality :D
Ehem, SSF would like to have a word with you.

Though, admitedly it could use a better interface... It's still accurate as hell. I've had better luck with SSF than i have had with any PS1 or N64 emulator.

[Guntz]

Sega playing Mac* owners rejoice!

*PPC Macs not included...