Neo Geo AVS or CD or MVS Supergun?

[sonictails]

Oh man I'm split between the 3. I can only afford one. I've been looking at the pro's and con's but I want to hear some comments from people who own the consoles/supergun.

As for the supergun, I have adequate arcade building experience.

[Joe Redifer]

If you want people to hate you, get the AES. People on the internet will think you are the devil if you buy one. Seriously, they will curse the day you were born. This is the version for rich people (and rich people must be despised, it is internet law). If you want people to think you are cool (mainly people with glasses and ponytails) get an MVS. Extra points if you consolize it yourself. Then you will be cool in their world. This is also the version for poor people.

If you have great patience, get the CD.

[17daysolderthannes]

buy the compilations for PS2 and a good joystick (x-arcade dual stick is the shit). You can get almost every Neo Geo game ever made for less than $100 new from Amazon.com without the shitty load times of the Neo Geo CD, the obscene prices of the AES, or the endless building/modding of an MVS Supergun. If you MUST have a real Neo Geo, I would get the MVS, a full size cabinet in fact, I don't know why ANYONE would want an AES over an MVS, must be something in the water...

[Joe Redifer]

The emulation on the PS2 versions suck. Only people who enjoy nutsack sweat would prefer the PS2 compilations to the REAL DEAL. The sound is off and the video has weird lines as if it has been slightly downscaled. You don't need a joystick to enjoy the Neo Geo. Mod a Saturn pad instead. Also, download some porn and turn out the lights. This has nothing to do with the Neo Geo REAL DEAL TRU ArKAde SysT3m, but I recommend it anyway.

[sonictails]

If you want people to hate you, get the AES. People on the internet will think you are the devil if you buy one. Seriously, they will curse the day you were born. This is the version for rich people (and rich people must be despised, it is internet law). If you want people to think you are cool (mainly people with glasses and ponytails) get an MVS. Extra points if you consolize it yourself. Then you will be cool in their world. This is also the version for poor people.

If you have great patience, get the CD.

Well don't want people to hate me and think I'm rich...

I was thinking of an AES with an MVS converter but that'll run into the $600+ range, and frankly my wallet isn't a slot machine. An MVS is starting to look really appealing, but it's kinda hard finding a 1 slot MVS mobo in Australia. Are all MVS mobos the same?

as for 17daysolderthannes, I want the real deal. No emulation shit, legit compilations or other means. I've cut myself from that since the day I started collecting.

I think I'm going to build a 1-slot supergun. Anyone got a MVS board lying around?

[Joe Redifer]

The MVS converter is really cool, but it is ridiculous the amount of $$$ they want for it. There is no need for it to cost that much. Also, the AES has a Game Genie and the MVS does not. Oh wait, the MVS has one, too. It's called a Uni BIOS. I highly recommend having it installed as it will give you blood even on US games. Blood makes games better.

[Tanegashima]

Get the CD system. The import systems and 99% of the games can be had for under $80 a piece. I got a complete Neo Geo CD system, boxed, for $80. I got pulstar for $70 and that is easily the most expensive game other than Last Hope on the Neo Geo CD.

[Metal_Sonic]

Get the CD system. The import systems and 99% of the games can be had for under $80 a piece. I got a complete Neo Geo CD system, boxed, for $80. I got pulstar for $70 and that is easily the most expensive game other than Last Hope on the Neo Geo CD.

Didn't you have a Neo Geo AES system before? thought you were trying to cut down on the systems

[Tanegashima]

I did have an AES..I've cut WAY down on my systems. The AES is too expensive. Of all the systems I sold:

Aes cartridge
Aes CD
3DO
Atari 5200
2600
7800
sega cd
32x
etc.

the only I regretted was the Neo CD...so I re obtained one.

All I have anymore:

Genesis
Dreamcast
Neo Geo CD
DS

[squall280]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuY_3Jsr_b0&feature=channel_page

a video i did yesterday.
i have several of the convertors new.

[sonictails]

How much for a converter?

I'm eyeing a modified AVS from console passion. It's got every mod you can think of done to it. It comes at a whooping price of 209 pounds. I'm also enquiring about an MVS 1 slot mobo for $36. I think I might go with the MVS supergun build. I like to build things.

[squall280]

i have been selling them at 240 new shipped. i can send you in the direction to get the multicart for 75.

if i were you i would go where your heart is. i am into console gameplay and there are several games that cost BIG bucks that are on the multicart and i think its awesome. I am a collector to and this doesn't bother me. Being that one game on the cart goes for 500 alone is crazy. So this way I could play all the games i want on one cart.

[sonictails]

i have been selling them at 240 new shipped. i can send you in the direction to get the multicart for 75.

if i were you i would go where your heart is. i am into console gameplay and there are several games that cost BIG bucks that are on the multicart and i think its awesome. I am a collector to and this doesn't bother me. Being that one game on the cart goes for 500 alone is crazy. So this way I could play all the games i want on one cart.

I totally agree with you there. I'd rather spend $75 on a MVS multi then fork out $400 for an AES cartridge of metal slug.

Do you know where I can get the multi cart and where I can get an MVS MV-1C on the cheap?

[Puffy2k316]

A supergun or consolized AES is by far the best way to go. I bought a MVS w/ SamSho 2 and had fun with it for awhile and then I realized that every game I wanted besides SS 2 was like 150 dollars or more. The Supergun or consolized AES will cost more up front, but you'll get your money's worth when buying games.

[sonictails]

What model is it and did u make it yourself?

[17daysolderthannes]

I totally agree with you there. I'd rather spend $75 on a MVS multi then fork out $400 for an AES cartridge of metal slug.

Do you know where I can get the multi cart and where I can get an MVS MV-1C on the cheap?

whoah whoah whoah, let me get this straight: You won't buy licensed compilations straight from SNK (which in my comparison to a REAL MVS of Metal Slug 5 looked identical, I don't care what brain damaged individual thinks otherwise) featuring optional arranged soundtracks and full color palette adjustments (on some compilations anyway, moot features to me, but some may like it), but you would gladly pay about $500 (est. cost: AES+converter+multicart) to play BOOTLEG ROMHACKS on a real AES? If they were all PERFECT ROM dumps and was somewhat complete, it may be worth it, but considering many of them are hacked versions of other games and all of them probably have glitches/problems (at least it looked that way from the short video posted in this thread with the random vertical lines in MS 3), thats just stupid.

And for those that hate on compilations/ports/emulation, why on earth do you constantly recommend Metal Slug as a Saturn title? That version is dogshit compared to the PS2 compilation. I'm all for real hardware when the price is acceptable (for instance: fuck Genesis compilations), but if you are just looking for gameplay and not collector bragging rights, there is little reason to buy an actual Neo Geo. Not saying I won't as I plan to be rich one of these days, but if you're on a budget, there are much better game options for the buck.

[sonictails]

whoah whoah whoah, let me get this straight: You won't buy licensed compilations straight from SNK (which in my comparison to a REAL MVS of Metal Slug 5 looked identical, I don't care what brain damaged individual thinks otherwise) featuring optional arranged soundtracks and full color palette adjustments (on some compilations anyway, moot features to me, but some may like it), but you would gladly pay about $500 (est. cost: AES+converter+multicart) to play BOOTLEG ROMHACKS on a real AES? If they were all PERFECT ROM dumps and was somewhat complete, it may be worth it, but considering many of them are hacked versions of other games and all of them probably have glitches/problems (at least it looked that way from the short video posted in this thread with the random vertical lines in MS 3), thats just stupid.

And for those that hate on compilations/ports/emulation, why on earth do you constantly recommend Metal Slug as a Saturn title? That version is dogshit compared to the PS2 compilation. I'm all for real hardware when the price is acceptable (for instance: fuck Genesis compilations), but if you are just looking for gameplay and not collector bragging rights, there is little reason to buy an actual Neo Geo. Not saying I won't as I plan to be rich one of these days, but if you're on a budget, there are much better game options for the buck.

Nothing compares to actually playing on the original hardware. As for the multicarts, I've realised that they are indeed bootlegs and bootlegs are a no no for me now a days.

[squall280]

I would like to just go on record that the vertical lines in the video aren't there. Thats just how the camcorder picks up the signal from the tv. Happens when I video tape a computer monitor to.

As for the multicart. My experience with it has been very favorable. All games I have tried seem to work just fine and I didn't notice any graphical error or changes in color templates. Now for the record I have a LOT of games. I am a collector and a gamer. When a game is 500 dollars thats's a pretty big investment for one game. now if i was a hardcore collector then maybe i would pursuit the investment. i am a collector thou and you might be able to see with the games i do own.

now i could understand the argument with people saying its bad to condone such a cart as the multicart but for me it perfect. it gives me a chance to play alot of games that quite honestly i would never get a chance to own. sure i could play them on an emulator but the cart plays just like it was the real hardware. even the system being modded detects each individual game to unlock codes for them.

so if you want to experience a wide variety of different games on the cheap using the real hardware i think the multicart is a good purchase.

if you want nothing but the original game then obviously you would turn your head to the cart.

the crazy thing about this whole neo geo thing is that one game for the aes can be almost 1000 and that's with case and artwork, same game for the mvs might be half that or even less and usually the carts are in fair shape with nothing. the screwy thing is there basically the same board in each cartridge but you can't play mvs on aes without the convertor.

collecting for this system is i believe for the hardcore enthusiest.

[sonictails]

I would like to just go on record that the vertical lines in the video aren't there. Thats just how the camcorder picks up the signal from the tv. Happens when I video tape a computer monitor to.

As for the multicart. My experience with it has been very favorable. All games I have tried seem to work just fine and I didn't notice any graphical error or changes in color templates. Now for the record I have a LOT of games. I am a collector and a gamer. When a game is 500 dollars thats's a pretty big investment for one game. now if i was a hardcore collector then maybe i would pursuit the investment. i am a collector thou and you might be able to see with the games i do own.

now i could understand the argument with people saying its bad to condone such a cart as the multicart but for me it perfect. it gives me a chance to play alot of games that quite honestly i would never get a chance to own. sure i could play them on an emulator but the cart plays just like it was the real hardware. even the system being modded detects each individual game to unlock codes for them.

so if you want to experience a wide variety of different games on the cheap using the real hardware i think the multicart is a good purchase.

if you want nothing but the original game then obviously you would turn your head to the cart.

the crazy thing about this whole neo geo thing is that one game for the aes can be almost 1000 and that's with case and artwork, same game for the mvs might be half that or even less and usually the carts are in fair shape with nothing. the screwy thing is there basically the same board in each cartridge but you can't play mvs on aes without the convertor.

collecting for this system is i believe for the hardcore enthusiest.

I am a starting hardcore enthusiest and it has been my dream since i was about 14 to have my own NeoGeo hardware.

[havok666]

Don't listen to 17days, he has no idea what he's talking about. Those compilations on the Playstation are not 100% accurate. The most glaring difference is that the music and sound are off.

There is nothing like owning the actual hardware and getting the real ARCADE experience. MVS is the best route to go, the games are relatively cheap and easy to find. For example, I paid $20 each for Metal Slug 1, 2 and X. I own about 30 cartridges spanning all types of genres, like Baseball Stars 2, Neo Turf Masters, King of Figthers, Burning Fight, etc. That's one of the main reasons why I love the Neo, the library is extremely versatile yet deep. The compilation packs are missing some of my favourite games

Anyways, here's a picture of my big red 4 slot. I paid $350 for it with 4 games back in 2005. It was my dream to own one, and it was definitely worth all the difficulty of moving it down into my basement!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/demon6666/user6105_pic259_1234235392.jpg

[17daysolderthannes]

Don't listen to 17days, he has no idea what he's talking about. Those compilations on the Playstation are not 100% accurate. The most glaring difference is that the music and sound are off.

There is nothing like owning the actual hardware and getting the real ARCADE experience. MVS is the best route to go, the games are relatively cheap and easy to find. For example, I paid $20 each for Metal Slug 1, 2 and X. I own about 30 cartridges spanning all types of genres, like Baseball Stars 2, Neo Turf Masters, King of Figthers, Burning Fight, etc. That's one of the main reasons why I love the Neo, the library is extremely versatile yet deep. The compilation packs are missing some of my favourite games

Anyways, here's a picture of my big red 4 slot. I paid $350 for it with 4 games back in 2005. It was my dream to own one, and it was definitely worth all the difficulty of moving it down into my basement!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/demon6666/user6105_pic259_1234235392.jpg

OK, well you got some HELLA good deals, and for that price, I would happily do the same.

I still, however, disagree with you in regards to the compilations. I have listened to the PS2 comps. vs. OST mp3s and I hear absolutely no difference. The sound isn't even emulated, its streamed from the disc, you can tell, for example, if you pause SNK Arcade Classics Vol. 1 on the Neo Geo boot screen (select button) it will continue to play the boot music, then when you unpause it, it will play the remainder of the graphic without sound (if you let the bios song finish first). There are also some games on these compilations you can't get otherwise, like Metal Slug 6 since it was never released on Neo Geo hardware. I personally use a Namco PSX fighter stick and you can map the top 4 buttons to be identical to a Neo Geo.

http://www.emuline.fr/site/uploads/pad/images/arcade_stick_namco_box.jpg

I map to X, [], ^, and R1 as if they were the red, yellow, green, and blue respectively. It may not be "perfectly 1337 haxor Neo Geo collector dawg tyte yo," but its damn good enough for me for the time being, at a HUGE fraction of the price.

Pssst, btw, all those games you listed are currently available on PS2 compilations ;)

[Iron Lizard]

I can't say whether or not the PS2 compilations are accurate or not. Before I had them I could only play Neo-Geo games through Mame with a shitty composite out from my Video card. Now I get to play Metal Slug with component Video and and an optical out. I think it is pretty sweet and a marked improvement. I can't argue with the Neo-Geo experts over accuracy. For the price of an AES or even a Supergun I could pay for a lot things like rent and food,etc. I think it is more of practical approach.If I ever get rich I'll buy both.

[sonictails]

Don't listen to 17days, he has no idea what he's talking about. Those compilations on the Playstation are not 100% accurate. The most glaring difference is that the music and sound are off.

There is nothing like owning the actual hardware and getting the real ARCADE experience. MVS is the best route to go, the games are relatively cheap and easy to find. For example, I paid $20 each for Metal Slug 1, 2 and X. I own about 30 cartridges spanning all types of genres, like Baseball Stars 2, Neo Turf Masters, King of Figthers, Burning Fight, etc. That's one of the main reasons why I love the Neo, the library is extremely versatile yet deep. The compilation packs are missing some of my favourite games

Anyways, here's a picture of my big red 4 slot. I paid $350 for it with 4 games back in 2005. It was my dream to own one, and it was definitely worth all the difficulty of moving it down into my basement!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/demon6666/user6105_pic259_1234235392.jpg

Thats a very nice cab you got there! I might design a super gun that can be incorporated in to a upright or candy cab. I was thinking of building a lowboy, but that is way into the future

[squall280]

OK, Here is some final advice from me. Obviously it's expensive regardless of what option you take in the Neo Geo collecting. If you search craigslist offen your bound to find a arcade cabinet for cheap. That is if you want to go in that direction.
I personally am happy with my setup and what I want to do. I collect ALL games and now that I have the multicart I feel very happy about my initial purchase of the Neo Geo system. I only had two games before hand. It's all in your hands what you want to do. I coudl tell you thou that Neo collector's are some of the most passionate and aggressive gamer's you'll ever meet. They know what they want and if they don't like something they'll make their voices heard. I read a few forums in regards to this multicart and some people love it others hate it. Most of the bash the cart without having played it. I have had nothing but fun with it. It game me a reason to bring my Neo system out of storage. Will I one day own a Neo cabinent....yes. When that time comes I'll snatch one up. But right now I am more then pleased with how I have my Neo Geo. If I see games I want for the system I'll still pursue them, so i am not saying that this cart is an end all for collecting on this system. The cart is what it is....100 games.

[17daysolderthannes]

OK, Here is some final advice from me. Obviously it's expensive regardless of what option you take in the Neo Geo collecting. If you search craigslist offen your bound to find a arcade cabinet for cheap. That is if you want to go in that direction.
I personally am happy with my setup and what I want to do. I collect ALL games and now that I have the multicart I feel very happy about my initial purchase of the Neo Geo system. I only had two games before hand. It's all in your hands what you want to do. I coudl tell you thou that Neo collector's are some of the most passionate and aggressive gamer's you'll ever meet. They know what they want and if they don't like something they'll make their voices heard. I read a few forums in regards to this multicart and some people love it others hate it. Most of the bash the cart without having played it. I have had nothing but fun with it. It game me a reason to bring my Neo system out of storage. Will I one day own a Neo cabinent....yes. When that time comes I'll snatch one up. But right now I am more then pleased with how I have my Neo Geo. If I see games I want for the system I'll still pursue them, so i am not saying that this cart is an end all for collecting on this system. The cart is what it is....100 games.

It's a good starting point if the games are in fact 100% accurate (straight ROM dumps vs. hacks), otherwise, its a $75 waste of money. I see no point in choosing real hardware over an emulator when the emulator is playing a 100% bit for bit ROM dump and the pirate cart is playing a hacked/incomplete/inaccurate game. Not saying your decision is wrong or anything, which I feel alot of people tend to get from these discussions: its not about right or wrong, its about throwing out opinions and having others challenge the basis of said opinion in hopes that a general consensus results.

The way I see it, the Neo Geo options go as follows:

(from best to worst, assuming arcade joystick with each)
1. Full size upright MVS (the more slots, the merrier)
2. MVS guts in a custom cabinet (sometimes you gotta make do)
3. AES
4. PS2 compilations
5. MAME
6. Dreamcast ports
7. Neo CD
8. Saturn ports
9. Playstation ports
11. Sega CD ports
12. Genesis ports
13. SNES ports
14. Wii Virtual Console

now some will bitch about me putting the Neo CD so low, I would put it under the AES if the load times weren't so god awful, but they are awful, so down the list it goes. I put Wii Virtual Console at the bottom because its essentially an inferior $9 version of what you can do for free in MAME with no hard copy to prove ownership should tragedy befall the wii. Also, you have to play it with some of the worst D-pads ever known to man.

And if anyone disputes the Neo CD thing, whatever:

GM-mkMq9U6s

FWIW, the Sega CD version of Samurai Shodown (which I own) loads about 20~25X faster than the Neo CD version and all that's really missing is the scaling (which I don't miss at all, in fact, I prefer the Sega CD version because of that fact).

[sonictails]

Alright Thanks for all your help guys.

@ 17daysolderthannes. Thanks for the vid. I was contemplating a CD but screw that if it takes longer then my playstation 1.

[havok666]

now some will bitch about me putting the Neo CD so low, I would put it under the AES if the load times weren't so god awful, but they are awful, so down the list it goes. I put Wii Virtual Console at the bottom because its essentially an inferior $9 version of what you can do for free in MAME with no hard copy to prove ownership should tragedy befall the wii. Also, you have to play it with some of the worst D-pads ever known to man.



Well, I agree with you to some extent. The CD is definitely NOT worth it if you want to play fighters (2-3 minutes loading time for a 30-60 second match -- no thanks). The CD isn't bad at all if you want to play shooters, side scrollers and beat em' ups, the load times are much easier to handle since you might see a load screen every 3-5 minutes (depending on the legth of the stages).


Thats a very nice cab you got there! I might design a super gun that can be incorporated in to a upright or candy cab. I was thinking of building a lowboy, but that is way into the future

Thanks for the comments, everything on the cabinet is original, manufactured in 1991. It was in service at the local arcade until it closed up in 2005. Last year I had to recap the Wells-Gardner monitor, but other than that no problems. The 4 slot does have some weird compatibilty problems with certain game combinations. For example King of Figthers will only play in slot #3, and NAM-1975 only works in slot 1 (this is a problem on 4 or 6 slot motherboards).

[Tanegashima]

FWIW, the Sega CD version of Samurai Shodown (which I own) loads about 20~25X faster than the Neo CD version and all that's really missing is the scaling (which I don't miss at all, in fact, I prefer the Sega CD version because of that fact).


Don't you think there is a reason it loads 20~25X faster? Do you honestly think the only thing the game is missing is scaling? The colors, the details of the background, the depth of the background. EVERY SNK port on the Genesis looks completely washed out.


I don't care if I'm the odd man out here...I love my Neo Geo CD...the only fighters I have for it are:

Samurai Shodown II
Fatal Fury 3

and Samurai Shodown II especially is pretty decent and completely worth the loading times.

But as I've said before my Neo Geo fulfills my ultimate shooter desires...and some of the hack 'n slashes are AWESOME!

[Joe Redifer]

I really hate that LOUD warning alarm in Samurai Shodown.

Also, I find most SNK fighters extremely overrated.

[17daysolderthannes]

Don't you think there is a reason it loads 20~25X faster? Do you honestly think the only thing the game is missing is scaling? The colors, the details of the background, the depth of the background. EVERY SNK port on the Genesis looks completely washed out.


Well no shit that's not the only thing missing, but I can do without the little flag guy and a few other minor details here and there. What matters is that the gameplay is solid (very solid) and the music is awesome.


I really hate that LOUD warning alarm in Samurai Shodown.

Also, I find most SNK fighters extremely overrated.

Yeah, that alarm SUCKS.

SNK fighters are the most hit and miss games on the planet. I don't know how they managed to make some of the most laughably bad and best of the best fighters at the same time.

World Heroes: sucks, what a total broken shit pile

Art of Fighting: ditto

Fatal Fury: one of the best fighting games I've ever played (especially 3 and onward). Multiple planes (again, 3 and onward), a good variety of characters, good animation, a solid move list, not very many super cheap moves/combos (Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 makes me want to vomit), great music and cool backgrounds, just freakin awesome. Many consider Mark of the Wolves to be the best fighting game ever (though I would still prefer 3 or a Real Bout game). As much as I love Street Fighter II Turbo/Hyper Fighting/Special Championship Edition, I think the later Fatal Fury games beat it at its own game, per se. Oh, and SF III and IV suck, what a bunch of overrated crap.

Samurai Shodown: almost as good as Fatal Fury, but the slowodown hurts it and the gameplay overall feels a little too much like chess rather than an intense battle

King of Fighters: I almost want to call it Fatal Fury: Tournament Edition, because that's what it feels like. Its basically just Fatal Fury with characters from other SNK series and it forces you to be competent with at least 3 characters. My biggest complaint is that they named them "94, 95, 96...." and it makes them have that "98 exists, why should I play 95?" feel like Madden games or some other sports games. When will game makers learn to stop putting year designations after their titles?

I've come to prefer SNK fighters (the good ones: SS, FF, KOF) over Capcom's post ~93 garbage as they maintain the purity of the genre: a few special moves, but the player's ability to quickly react to the other player is where the real talent is required. All of the new Capcom games are full of stupid million hit combos so the people that win are the people that sit at home all day practicing setting up the pre-determined combos and then just sit and wait until they can execute it. Even the later Fatal Furies employ more of that combo bullshit than I would like, but no where near Capcom's complete nonsense gameplay.

[Joe Redifer]

I'll take Darkstalkers and Street Fighter over SNK fighters any day, though I do like King o' Fighters. It doesn't have that silly "multiple planes" nonsense/gimmick that Fatal Fury does... just straight fighting with good characters. Also, I find the special moves in SNK fighters a pain in the ass to pull off most of the time. There is zero room for forgiveness, you must move the pad in more directions and timing is down to the nanosecond. How people find that fun is beyond me.

[havok666]

World Heroes: sucks, what a total broken shit pile


World Heroes is not even an SNK game. It was developed/published by Alpha Denshi.





King of Fighters: I almost want to call it Fatal Fury: Tournament Edition, because that's what it feels like. Its basically just Fatal Fury with characters from other SNK series and it forces you to be competent with at least 3 characters. My biggest complaint is that they named them "94, 95, 96...." and it makes them have that "98 exists, why should I play 95?" feel like Madden games or some other sports games. When will game makers learn to stop putting year designations after their titles?



Fatal Fury and King of Fighters take place in the same "universe" much like Street Fighter and Final Fight. 98' is the best version in my opinion, so you might want to give that a shot (an updated version has just been released on PS2). KOF is much more technical than Fatal Fury and it also doesn't have the stupid "two planes" gimmick.

[17daysolderthannes]

I'll take Darkstalkers and Street Fighter over SNK fighters any day, though I do like King o' Fighters. It doesn't have that silly "multiple planes" nonsense/gimmick that Fatal Fury does... just straight fighting with good characters. Also, I find the special moves in SNK fighters a pain in the ass to pull off most of the time. There is zero room for forgiveness, you must move the pad in more directions and timing is down to the nanosecond. How people find that fun is beyond me.

I don't find the special moves to be hard to pull off, definitely easier than Street Fighter II (original versions, HD Remix is cake). I think that should be part of the challenge, I hate fighters with easy special moves, they are SPECIAL MOVES, they should require a fine touch to pull off properly. Capcom games just turn into a clusterfuck of special moves to the point you can't even tell whats going on anymore, blech. When special moves are easy, there is no reason for regular moves anymore, so whats the point?


World Heroes is not even an SNK game. It was developed/published by Alpha Denshi.




Fatal Fury and King of Fighters take place in the same "universe" much like Street Fighter and Final Fight. 98' is the best version in my opinion, so you might want to give that a shot (an updated version has just been released on PS2). KOF is much more technical than Fatal Fury and it also doesn't have the stupid "two planes" gimmick.

that's good to hear, World Heroes is AWFUL, but that does bring up the question as to why SNK Playmore released a World Heroes compilation if it wasn't made by SNK...



I don't find KOR is more technical, just more varied because of the amount of characters. I feel it almost hurts it with so many characters because it lacks personality. It's kind of like "ok, I'll pick this guy, hey look, there's a boat in the background, OK" whereas Fatal Fury (most of them anyway) have levels that are somewhat related to the character. I don't find the "2 planes" (3 planes in the case of FF 3, which is part of the reason I like it so much) to be a gimmick at all. In the first game it was pointless because you could only do it when the CPU did it, in the second game it turned into a jumping match between you and the second player, but by the third game it was an effective way to dodge and counter projectile and lunging attacks which would only be blockable in other games (KOF, SF). I would rather the 2/3 planes than another stupid cheap ass combo button masher.


Oh yeah, where is that avatar dolphin from? You said somewhere it was from a Neo Geo game, but I've never seen any game with that dolphin before.

[Tanegashima]

It's from Aerofighters/Sonic Wings a very good...not excellent...shooter series for the Neo Geo.

[Metal_Sonic]

that's good to hear, World Heroes is AWFUL, but that does bring up the question as to why SNK Playmore released a World Heroes compilation if it wasn't made by SNK...

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[Joe Redifer]

Is that dolphin smoking a cigar? That's what it looks like.

[17daysolderthannes]

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For starters, I meant more of "how" than "why" since SNK Playmore technically shouldn't have the rights to those games outright since they didn't develop them.

Second of all, who in their right mind would buy a World Heroes compilation on purpose? It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out all copies of World Heroes compilations were people mistaking it for King of Fighters.


Is that dolphin smoking a cigar? That's what it looks like.

I always thought it looked like it had a whistle in its mouth, but I actually think its part of his leather helmet thing (WTF do you call those anyway? flight cap?)

[Tanegashima]

Publishers more often than not buy the rights when they make a contract to distribute. MOST published authors give up the ownership to their work as soon as its published. For smaller developers, its a price that has to be paid.

Sega has its name on many games they didn't develop and still own them today for instance.

Eric Chahi developed Out of This World but delphine owned the rights to it until he personally bought them back when delphine went bankrupt.

Hence, SNK probably purchased the rights when they made the agreement to publish and distribute the game. Which is why their name is on it.

[squall280]

Quick History
The former president of SNK left before they originally went under around 2000 right after the first Capcom Vs SNK. He went on to form Playmore. When he had heard SNK went under he bought the IP and renamed his company SNK Playmore. Doing so he took much of the talent with him. So SNK is still SNK jus with the added Playmore title.

[havok666]

Second of all, who in their right mind would buy a World Heroes compilation on purpose? It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out all copies of World Heroes compilations were people mistaking it for King of Fighters.



ADK (Alpha Denshi Company) was almost like a 2nd party developer for the Neo Geo. When they went bankrupt, SNK decided to buy the rights to there intellectual properties.

World Heroes has a pretty big cult following (World Heroes Perfect is excellent) but ADK is also (in)famous for games such as, Magician Lord, Ninja Commando and Twinkle Star Sprites.

[Metal_Sonic]

If that dolphin is smoking a cigar, his jawusumness levels just reached astronomical levels.

[squall280]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2TvV3DoLIM
multicart in action

[sonictails]

anyone know of any good bullet hell/curtain shmups for MVS?

[17daysolderthannes]

anyone know of any good bullet hell/curtain shmups for MVS?

and I would like to add to that question: bullet hell/curtain shmups that are playable on MAME.

[acdc]

and I would like to add to that question: bullet hell/curtain shmups that are playable on MAME.

i ll give you a little list tomorrow of the bullet hell shooters that exist on mame and are playable myself i have a arcade cabinet with all most any kind of sytem in it with all the games with it
but right now im going to bed

[havok666]

anyone know of any good bullet hell/curtain shmups for MVS?

I believe there are zero "bullet hell" shmups on the Neo Geo.

[squall280]

http://shmups.classicgaming.gamespy.com/xenocidefiles/neogeo.html
none like what your looking for thou.

[Joe Redifer]

Bullet hells are lame!

[sonictails]

Bullet hells are lame!

or you just can't handle it?

[Joe Redifer]

No, I'm pretty sure they are lame. I wouldn't think it was bad if just one or two games did that, but lately almost EVERY new shooter that comes out is bullet hell. It is a tiring gimmick. It's like "Look at us, we put more bullets onscreen than the other games. W3 4r3 h4rdc0r3!!" Lame.

1 pixel hitboxes are also lame.

[JFLY]

I'm so glad Raiden Fighter Aces is coming out for the U.S. Xbox 360. Though I haven't played any of them in the arcades, does anyone here know if any of the games in this collection are bullet hell shooters?

[sonictails]

Mad! I just bought an MVS mobo! its an MV1F Slot with a Unibios 2.3 chip installed. i think it was about $140 all up. I'm excited! I'm gonna start looking for some sweet cases to put it in soon and get everything ready. http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa171/Tomcat1980/MVfbios.jpg here she is.

Thanks for your opinions. I'll post a link to the project and document everything for you guys.

[17daysolderthannes]

good to see you didn't buy into the typical bullshit idea that somehow the AES is better. Also, that Universe Bios 2.3 chip is a nice addition.

[sonictails]

good to see you didn't buy into the typical bullshit idea that somehow the AES is better. Also, that Universe Bios 2.3 chip is a nice addition.

I thought about getting the AES on a logical matter and weighed the pros and cons and the MVS came out on top. I mean, $400+ for a modified AES and with cartridges going at about the same price? Come on, who are you kidding? And with the uni bios, I practically have an AES anyway, plus, I'm intergrating a radica sega SFII with slot hack so I have an AES/MVS/Genesis system. Everything I've ever wanted in one package.

[Devil N]

Mmmm, owning a Neo Geo MVS cabinet has always been one of my long-term dreams. Finding PCBs and games for a good price fortunately isn't that hard, but I have zero experience with building cabinets. Nor do I have the room for it, for that matter. So it will remain a dream for the time being. But this thread definitely whets the appetite.

[sonictails]

Mmmm, owning a Neo Geo MVS cabinet has always been one of my long-term dreams. Finding PCBs and games for a good price fortunately isn't that hard, but I have zero experience with building cabinets. Nor do I have the room for it, for that matter. So it will remain a dream for the time being. But this thread definitely whets the appetite.

If you have a little bit of wood working experience, it shouldn't be hard. I built a mini arcade machine when I was 14. But I had the help of this book. (http://www.amazon.com/Project-Arcade-Build-Your-Machine/dp/0764556169)