How to be hardcore according to IGN and other such things. [Archive]

16-bit

04-01-2009, 02:16 AM

Well since, Mr. Mathews has been doing this I thought that I'd give it a shot.

There was one top ten list where IGN said all the things that you had to think/do if you were to be considered hardcore (but IGN was implying in this case that hardcore meant jackass).

http://retro.ign.com/articles/950/950939p1.html And I'd like right now to be a total nerd and rant on one of the things they said was required to be "Hardcore" that being thinking that Final Fantasy VII is overrated.

Having just played the game recently, I'd have to say it's a very good RPG, but the fact is that it's overrated. (Keep in mind I'm only on the first disc)

To start out the only thing good about the graphics, which to this day are praised as "completly ground breaking for their time" were the prerendered backgrounds, everything being rendered in real time looks like crap. The overworld model of Cloud looks like he has toothpick arms with huge beefy muscles, which for 1997 is terrible.

The story is pretty good, but really nothing better than the last game. But that's not to say that the story is bad, there are some pretty cool characters, like Red XIII and Barret, and some interesting parts in the story like Sephiroth's decent into madness while reading in the underground library, the revealing of jenova, and when Cloud and the gang go to Barret's hometown and learn why it was completely destroyed.
But the fact that some fans of this game go as far as to say that this game is the pinnacle of video game story telling only proves that they haven't played: Snatcher, Mother 3, Xenogears, any Metal Gear Solid game, and Bioshock (I wasn't a big fan of it's gameplay, but I loved the story).

Also on a slightly irrelevant note, I found this on Screwattack one day, I'm not a huge screwattack fan, but I check there every once in a while and find something good.

It's a blog entry describing how IGN Xbox has been bashing the upcoming Bioshock 2 before it's release and praising Halo 3 saying it's superior to Bioshock in every single way including the story, which according to IGN Xbox was completely non-existent in Bioshock.
The following link contains strong language, most of you don't give a crap but I'm just sayin'
http://screwattack.com/node/19544
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What do you guys make of that? Also, sorry if everything looks like I pushed return too much, I'm fairly tired right now and probably shouldn't be using the computer.

Rusty Venture

04-01-2009, 02:39 AM

I'm wondering why people suddenly give two shits about IGN.

IGN hasn't been worth visiting since they started charging for content.

Nunzio

04-01-2009, 02:42 AM

If that's hardcore that you can count me out. Same with the whole otaku thing. No thanks! These days I pretend not to be able to find Japan on a map so I don't get associated with such jackassery. And I call him Super Mayor-E-O on purpose.

Like I need to improve my cred with people who sit around playing WoW so much they would go to your house to grill you on video game trivia.

PS. You live in the lower mainland 16-bit?

MrMatthews

04-01-2009, 04:15 AM

I'm wondering why people suddenly give two shits about IGN.

IGN hasn't been worth visiting since they started charging for content.
Where do you go for your video game news, then? IGN typically offers news, previews, and reviews before most other pubs.

jerry coeurl

04-01-2009, 04:28 AM

I'm wondering why people suddenly give two shits about IGN.

IGN hasn't been worth visiting since they started charging for content.

Some (read: me) might argue that they've never been worth visiting :cool:

Where do you go for your video game news, then? IGN typically offers news, previews, and reviews before most other pubs.

I know this was directed at Rusty, bought I thought I'd give my two cents: I primarily care about retro games, personally, so I don't need a news site to keep me updated on what I need to play; I just come here. In the rare instance that there is anything new that interests me, I will usually hear about it on a forum, or through my friends who game. And in that rare event, I never buy NEW releases anyway, I always wait at least a few months 'til the price drops a bit.

Rusty Venture

04-01-2009, 04:41 AM

Video game news? I frequent video game forums, the news filters down to them.

I've managed quite well without needing IGN.

stalepie

04-01-2009, 04:51 AM

But then you'd still be getting your news from IGN, it's just "filtered down".

Rusty Venture

04-01-2009, 05:04 AM

Since I no longer have a system that is "current" any news about upcoming games would be nothing but a passing interest, not not worth *PAYING* to hear about 12 hours before the rest of the internet does.

Why do I need IGN to tell me about "retro games" if I could go here or to DP and get more honest answers?

16-bit

04-01-2009, 11:35 AM

Like I need to improve my cred with people who sit around playing WoW so much they would go to your house to grill you on video game trivia.

Don't most people who play Wow only really give a damn about Wow anyways?

PS. You live in the lower mainland 16-bit?
Yeah I live somewhere in the lower mainland.

nissling

04-01-2009, 11:43 AM

Uhm, call me n00b if you want to, but I've never visited IGN, Gamespot or anything like that with exceptions of Gametrailers.

16-bit

04-01-2009, 11:59 AM

Uhm, call me n00b if you want to, but I've never visited IGN, Gamespot or anything like that with exceptions of Gametrailers.

Gamestop used to be good, IMO they used to be the best review site mainly because they did say things that not a lot of other websites would say. But sadly Jeff Gerstmann god fired, and now their just like any other site that caters to PR.

stalepie

04-01-2009, 12:54 PM

I've found some of IGN's work good. For instance, they did an early preview of The Dark Spire, a game that looks interesting.

Zebbe

04-01-2009, 01:52 PM

I'm so hardcore I never visit IGN.

Knuckle Duster

04-01-2009, 02:03 PM

Rusty Venture

04-01-2009, 02:16 PM

I'm so hardcore I never visit IGN.

This deserves rep, but it won't let me give you any. :(

Zebbe

04-01-2009, 03:08 PM

You must spread around some rep. Try looking for good posts by other people. It's hard to find any, but sometimes it happens.

Rusty Venture

04-01-2009, 03:12 PM

Are you hard up for some rep?

Metal_Sonic

04-01-2009, 03:33 PM

Suck on your hard on for some rep?

Rusty, no, dont go down that road.

EDIT: This one got to me: Japanese RPGs vs. Western RPGs

If being a "hardcore gamer" means liking a bunch of gender confused limpdicks save the world for the umpteenth time over the likes of Diablo, The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, and Fallout 3 then I guess I am just your average joe.

InternalPrimate

04-01-2009, 03:37 PM

Did anyone actually read the article? It wasn't about "how to be hardcore", but rather quotes of "pretentious so-called hardcore gamers".

EDIT: Wait. 16-bit got it. My bad :D

Metal_Sonic

04-01-2009, 03:41 PM

Did anyone actually read the article? It wasn't about "how to be hardcore", but rather quotes of "pretentious so-called hardcore gamers".

EDIT: Wait. 16-bit got it. My bad :D

...............God damn it Matthews.

MrMatthews

04-01-2009, 04:07 PM

What did I do? I remember reading (and "getting") this article when Levi originally shat it out.

Metal_Sonic

04-01-2009, 04:13 PM

What did I do? I remember reading (and "getting") this article when Levi originally shat it out.

You know what you did

MrMatthews

04-01-2009, 04:24 PM

Okay, you got me. I used telepathy to retard your ability to comprehend.

What can I say? I do strange things when I'm bored.

Metal_Sonic

04-01-2009, 04:41 PM

Okay, you got me. I used telepathy to retard your ability to comprehend.

What can I say? I do strange things when I'm bored.

Doesn't it feel better telling the truth.

Black_Tiger

04-01-2009, 04:43 PM

Yeah I live somewhere in the lower mainland.

I also live somewhere in the lower mainland. There are more Canadians, let alone British Columbians here than I thought.:p

Diosoth

04-01-2009, 08:14 PM

Whenever I read IGN, I get the imression their people are a bunch of dudes who go "hardcore" with a noose above their toilets, and their egos are due to the fact they seem to keep surviving their little adventures, while everyone reading simply prays that they goof up, never to be heard from again.

Rusty Venture

04-01-2009, 11:35 PM

Rusty, no, dont go down that road.

You're right, Zebbe and I should keep our sexual propositions to each other in PM's.

What is "hardcore" anyway? I mean, you either play games or you don't

If anyone seriously runs around claiming to be a "hardcore gamer", they must be attempting to compensate for a tiny penis.

Metal_Sonic

04-02-2009, 12:03 AM

You're right, Zebbe and I should keep our sexual propositions to each other in PM's.

I'm actually pretty intrigued, how does one have sex with a male android who has learned to love?

What is "hardcore" anyway? I mean, you either play games or you don't

If anyone seriously runs around claiming to be a "hardcore gamer", they must be attempting to compensate for a tiny penis.

I'm pretty sure the "Hardcore" gamer is around the 10-15 year mark.

Rusty Venture

04-02-2009, 12:24 AM

They have been playing for 10-15 years, or are 10-15 years old (physically)?

MrMatthews

04-02-2009, 12:46 AM

I think what really identifies you as a "hardcore" gamer is whether or not you wear sunglasses while playing games. Another indication is if your gameplay actually blows your hair back in an extreme fashion.

Here is an example of a quintessential "hardcore" gamer.

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/joeproduct/nintendoids.jpg

Rusty Venture

04-02-2009, 01:09 AM

I dress up like Sonic every time I play my Genesis, my hair constantly gets blown back in an *EXTREME* fashion from the blast processing...but I don't wear sunglasses to play games.

It sucks to find out you're not a hardcore gamer. :(

Metal_Sonic

04-02-2009, 01:56 AM

They have been playing for 10-15 years, or are 10-15 years old (physically)?

Age wise. To fix your Sonic problems, start spinning like crazy then take off like a maniac WHILE you're playing.

I think what really identifies you as a "hardcore" gamer is whether or not you wear sunglasses while playing games. Another indication is if your gameplay actually blows your hair back in an extreme fashion.

Here is an example of a quintessential "hardcore" gamer.

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/joeproduct/nintendoids.jpg

I think no matter what you do, you will NEVER, NEVER EVER NEVER EEEEEEVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER be as badass as this child. If he and that dancing Asian kid combined then by god I think we have found our overlord.

Rusty Venture

04-02-2009, 03:29 AM

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/asian_kid_dance.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=2525)

17daysolderthannes

04-02-2009, 06:02 PM

that article just furthers the necessity for a rift between RPG retards and REAL video game players. I would throw my computer away if anyone so much as installed the demo of WOW on my computer. I'm so sick and tired of people saying they play video games and then talk to me how they liked a game or didn't like it because of the fucking story. STORY DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING IN A REAL VIDEO GAME. WHAT IS PAC MAN!? PAC MAN MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE AND ITS A GREAT GAME! END OF STORY! Video games are about outsmarting either a computer or human opponent to achieve victory, not boo hooing around a fairy forest for 3 hours picking turnips so I can go to the carnival and watch another 4 years of convoluted FMVs. Fucks FMVs, FMVs are the stop signs of the video game world, they stop your fun while you sit annoyed that you had to come to a complete stop, push in the clutch, put it back in 1st, and then finally go, even though there was no real reason to stop in the first place.

This reminds me of a video I was shown recently, just replace Kingdom Hearts 2 with ANY RPG ever made and Resident Evil 4 with a REAL video game (I can't comment on whether or not Resident Evil 4 meets my criteria for a real game since I don't own it, I guess I should though since its gotta be pretty cheap nowadays).

HZsDUSxK5Fs

17daysolderthannes

04-02-2009, 06:26 PM

I hate the terms "Hardcore" and "Professional Gamer"

Hell, I found it hard enough to be called a "Gamer" by the masses when that stupid phrase was coined.

Games are toys, there's nothing professional in playing with toys. It's that perception that makes me blindly hate most people born in the 1990's and write them off as know-nothing-dipshit's. (Yes, I'm ignorant. I can live with it.)

To me Hardcore is a music genre that died 25 years ago, not the high-five-praising intensity of which "Little Johnny Fucktard" can sit on his ass for 14 hours a day screaming profanity into a headset over XBL.

Whoah whoah whoah now, PLEASE don't go calling video games toys. A GI Joe is a toy, a koosh ball is a toy, a Power Wheels is a toy, a Super Soaker is a toy, don't start calling video games a "toy." Video games should be considered halfway between movies/music and the entertainment machines of old like pinball, fooseball, air hockey, etc. Maybe we have different definitions of what constitutes a "toy" (some people call their $200,000 ferrari a "toy"), personally I define toy as an entertainment device specifically for children, and there is NOTHING I hate more than being called "immature" for playing video games, which is why I hate video game systems being called toys.

I too hate the "gamer" label as it just sounds stupid. I play video games, the end, there is no need for a title proclaiming I do that. Then again, I hate the term "skater" for someone that skateboards as well. I guess I just hate 2 syllable labels that end in "er."

I think Dave and Buster's has the closest mentality to what video games should be "shit, you've had a hard day, eat a damn burger and kick Ted from marketing's ass at Daytona USA, then get drunk if you want and do it again."

I was actually thinking recently about the whole concept of high-end video game competition and how not-fun it is. Once you get to the top 10% or so, it becomes a pixel counting glitch competition and it loses all its fun. Video games were so much more fun when everyone was 10 and didn't know what the fuck was going on than when captain no-life memorized the exact countermove to every character in a fighting game. The same kind of goes for all sports and competitions, competition at the highest levels just isn't fun anymore.

MrMatthews

04-02-2009, 06:43 PM

This reminds me of a video I was shown recently, just replace Kingdom Hearts 2 with ANY RPG ever made and Resident Evil 4 with a REAL video game (I can't comment on whether or not Resident Evil 4 meets my criteria for a real game since I don't own it, I guess I should though since its gotta be pretty cheap nowadays).

You're in luck, then. The Blue Fairy made Resident Evil 4 a real video game a few years back, so it just might meet your strict criteria.

Jesse813

04-02-2009, 06:56 PM

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/joeproduct/nintendoids.jpg

:yuck: :shame: :eek: :o

jerry coeurl

04-02-2009, 10:29 PM

I think Dave and Buster's has the closest mentality to what video games should be "shit, you've had a hard day, eat a damn burger and kick Ted from marketing's ass at Daytona USA, then get drunk if you want and do it again."

Dave and Buster's fucking sucks. That place is a rip-off.

Metal_Sonic

04-02-2009, 10:57 PM

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/asian_kid_dance.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=2525)

FUCK....YEA

17daysolderthannes

04-03-2009, 12:37 AM

Dave and Buster's fucking sucks. That place is a rip-off.

It seemed like a good deal when I went. Me and my dad went there when we were visiting family in Florida and we played a good hour or 2 off of the $20 dinner deal thing (which included dinner, duh). That's not half bad for an arcade. I think some of that might have had to do with the fact that I was playing Ferrari F355 challenge and each race was a good 15 minutes or so. God I love that game, I just wish I could play it on a cabinet that didn't always try to go from 2nd to 5th and had a wheel that didn't jiggle loose, lol.

Rusty Venture

04-03-2009, 12:48 AM

The one "Dave & Busters" I went into had nothing but sniper gun games and fucking SF2 derivatives.

It was like going to every other sorry ass arcade in my area minus the skee-ball.

17daysolderthannes

04-03-2009, 01:05 AM

The one "Dave & Busters" I went into had nothing but sniper gun games and fucking SF2 derivatives.

It was like going to every other sorry ass arcade in my area minus the skee-ball.

Well,

#1 apparently every location is different, there were like 2 sniper gun games and zero fighters at the one I went to

#2 I really haven't been to many arcades as I just didn't have any around me growing up (it sucked)

#3 what I was getting at was the atmosphere and mentality carried by Dave and Busters, they don't turn it into kiddie kiddie funtime like Chuck E Cheese or a sweaty long-haired neckbeard meeting about which game deserves +2 respect points, its a fucking bar with a shit ton of arcade machines where you can take a shot of whiskey and then see who can drive the best in 8 player Daytona USA. Its the only place that can be called an arcade that doesn't make the geek-o-meter or the pedophile-odometer go off the handle when you walk in, the way it should be.

Iron Lizard

04-03-2009, 01:14 AM

It seemed like a good deal when I went. Me and my dad went there when we were visiting family in Florida and we played a good hour or 2 off of the $20 dinner deal thing (which included dinner, duh). That's not half bad for an arcade. I think some of that might have had to do with the fact that I was playing Ferrari F355 challenge and each race was a good 15 minutes or so. God I love that game, I just wish I could play it on a cabinet that didn't always try to go from 2nd to 5th and had a wheel that didn't jiggle loose, lol.

Best racing game ever.

jerry coeurl

04-03-2009, 02:41 AM

Their games suck, their food is lousy and their drinks are overpriced. At least at the San Diego location.

Rusty Venture

04-03-2009, 05:03 AM

The last time I played an arcade game I played some "Aliens" marine game.

I shot two of my own guys and killed myself with a grenade and some dude tells me I was pretty good.....then asks me if I ever considered joining the Army. :?

Despite that, I would have played that "Aliens" game again...but it was gone the next time I went in there. :mad:

17daysolderthannes

04-03-2009, 03:13 PM

Their games suck, their food is lousy and their drinks are overpriced. At least at the San Diego location.

I addressed this in my previous post, and I quote:

#3 what I was getting at was the atmosphere and mentality carried by Dave and Busters, they don't turn it into kiddie kiddie funtime like Chuck E Cheese or a sweaty long-haired neckbeard meeting about which game deserves +2 respect points, its a fucking bar with a shit ton of arcade machines where you can take a shot of whiskey and then see who can drive the best in 8 player Daytona USA. Its the only place that can be called an arcade that doesn't make the geek-o-meter or the pedophile-odometer go off the handle when you walk in, the way it should be.

The last time I played an arcade game I played some "Aliens" marine game.

I shot two of my own guys and killed myself with a grenade and some dude tells me I was pretty good.....then asks me if I ever considered joining the Army. :?

Despite that, I would have played that "Aliens" game again...but it was gone the next time I went in there. :mad:

lolololoolololol!!!!

"so, I see you like to shoot your own friends and then off yourself with a grenade, you would be PERFECT for the United States armed forces!" Was it Aliens as in the Ridley Scott/James Cameron/Other Aliens or just generic aliens? Any guess at what the year of release would be? I kind of want to MAME it now, but I won't be able to if its not fairly old and preferably non-3D.

edit: I think I found it, is it called "Alien 3: GUN"? If that's it, just so you know it works AWESOME with a 2 button mouse.

Rusty Venture

04-03-2009, 03:56 PM

jerry coeurl

04-03-2009, 04:05 PM

I addressed this in my previous post, and I quote:

#3 what I was getting at was the atmosphere and mentality carried by Dave and Busters, they don't turn it into kiddie kiddie funtime like Chuck E Cheese or a sweaty long-haired neckbeard meeting about which game deserves +2 respect points, its a fucking bar with a shit ton of arcade machines where you can take a shot of whiskey and then see who can drive the best in 8 player Daytona USA. Its the only place that can be called an arcade that doesn't make the geek-o-meter or the pedophile-odometer go off the handle when you walk in, the way it should be.

Umm who cares when the drinks, games and food sucks. I could give a shit if I'm a geek for visiting Nickel City when I only have to pay a 2 dollar entry fee and can play free games of Ms. Pac-Man all night. For the most part, D&B's charges out the ass for games that I wouldn't play even if they were free.

17daysolderthannes

04-03-2009, 04:10 PM

Umm who cares when the drinks, games and food sucks. I could give a shit if I'm a geek for visiting Nickel City when I only have to pay a 2 dollar entry fee and can play free games of Ms. Pac-Man all night. For the most part, D&B's charges out the ass for games that I wouldn't play even if they were free.

Well, the one I went to wasn't half bad, and I don't have a "Nickel City" that lets me play all night for $2. Shit, I don't have a decent arcade around here for miles, and that really sucks when arcade games are by far my favorite type of video game.

17daysolderthannes

04-03-2009, 04:12 PM

No, this is a more recent "Aliens" (as in the MOVIE) gun game.

The first mission (which was as far as I got) was set on the colony seen in "Aliens".

It was this game:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens:_Extermination

http://globalvr.com/images/aliens/aliens_dlx_cab_pic_bg.jpg

so James Cameron and Ridley Scott's Aliens aren't movies?

Either way, I've been playing the Alien3 game for about 15 minutes or so and it is so badass, any other MAMErs need to check this one out, for 1993 it is spectacular. They probably could've made an OK port for the Sega CD too, but of course they wouldn't want to do something crazy and show off the Sega CD's scaling capabilities, that would just be ridiculous.