Truxton better than MUSHA?

[sketch]

Knowing the rep MUSHA has, perhaps this is heresy, but after having recently acquiring a copy of MUSHA, while it is easily technically more impressive than Truxton in every way, it does not have that "come back and try again" quality that all great shooters have (at least, not for me).

Truxton is quite hard, but not usually cheap, so it makes me want to come back for more. The level design, weapon choices and powerup system are all well done. MUSHA's powerup system seems a bit bizarre and there are weapons that I have to go out of my way to avoid because they seem useless. The three weapons in Truxton each have their pluses and minuses, so it seems like Truxton has more strategy and flexibility as to how you approach each level.

Also, Truxton has limited continues, which makes it a bit of a man's game to have to finish. I feel like any shooter worth its salt has to have a challenging set limit of continues. It appears MUSHA will let you continue indefinitely.

I haven't gotten very far into MUSHA and have given much more play time to Truxton (although I haven't finished it), but Truxton always calls me back and MUSHA doesn't. I was wondering if it was just me.

[Joe Redifer]

It's just you. :)

[sketch]

Heh; thanks for confirming:)

[Aarzak]

I enjoy the Genesis' rendition of Truxton's Level 1 BGM. It's so......1989-y and........launch title-y. But I like the PC Engine's rendition much better. Either way, the game's a bore. The BG's lack variety. I think I heard that the Genesis Truxton is only a whopping 2 MEGA POWER.........correct me if I'm wrong.

[vintagegamecrazy]

I actually enjoy both a bunch, in a death match I don't know which I'd pick since they're both at the top of the list but I don't think MUSHA is the be all end all of shooters that everyone makes it out to be. Galactic Attack (Saturn) and Mars Matrix (DC) kill it, and I also like Blazing Lazers on the TG16 better.

[sketch]

I actually enjoy both a bunch, in a death match I don't know which I'd pick since they're both at the top of the list but I don't think MUSHA is the be all end all of shooters that everyone makes it out to be. Galactic Attack (Saturn) and Mars Matrix (DC) kill it, and I also like Blazing Lazers on the TG16 better.

At least there's some Truxton love out there:) I don't own them anymore, but haven played both Galactic Attack and Mars Matrix. Both are great vertical shooters. My preference is actually for horizontal shooters, though I liked a well designed shooter regardless of orientation (call me equal opportunity).

Blazing Lazers is the best vert scroller I've played, so I agree with you there. It's just flat out fun.

[sketch]

I enjoy the Genesis' rendition of Truxton's Level 1 BGM. It's so......1989-y and........launch title-y. But I like the PC Engine's rendition much better. Either way, the game's a bore. The BG's lack variety. I think I heard that the Genesis Truxton is only a whopping 2 MEGA POWER.........correct me if I'm wrong.

Dunno about the game size. I'm sure it's small as it does look early-launch and, as you point out, has pretty basic graphics. Still, the graphics are clean, and to me, appealing. Also, I was comparing gameplay, not graphical and technical prowess. Obviously, MUSHA wins there. I just have more fun with Truxton (thus far).

[GameUser-16-32-128]

MUSHA is the end all of shooters on the Genesis followed by Thunder Force IV and Thunder Force III. I don't think any of the weapons in the game are useless, nor do I think the power-up system is weird. It's just you my friend.



Knowing the rep MUSHA has, perhaps this is heresy, but after having recently acquiring a copy of MUSHA, while it is easily technically more impressive than Truxton in every way, it does not have that "come back and try again" quality that all great shooters have (at least, not for me).

Truxton is quite hard, but not usually cheap, so it makes me want to come back for more. The level design, weapon choices and powerup system are all well done. MUSHA's powerup system seems a bit bizarre and there are weapons that I have to go out of my way to avoid because they seem useless. The three weapons in Truxton each have their pluses and minuses, so it seems like Truxton has more strategy and flexibility as to how you approach each level.

Also, Truxton has limited continues, which makes it a bit of a man's game to have to finish. I feel like any shooter worth its salt has to have a challenging set limit of continues. It appears MUSHA will let you continue indefinitely.

I haven't gotten very far into MUSHA and have given much more play time to Truxton (although I haven't finished it), but Truxton always calls me back and MUSHA doesn't. I was wondering if it was just me.

[sketch]

MUSHA is the end all of shooters on the Genesis followed by Thunder Force IV and Thunder Force III. I don't think any of the weapons in the game are useless, nor do I think the power-up system is weird. It's just you my friend.

I'm a big fan of TF III. I like TF IV as well, but the slowdown in the game puts it below TF III IMHO.

The thing I don't like about the MUSHA power up system is collecting those little pills. It's a bit distracting. I'm not a big fan of the "pick up your powerups" in general, but making you shoot them out of something and then catch them takes that somewhat annoying convention even further. You have to uncover your powerups in Truxton, but they are stationary, so there's no chasing.

Blazing Lazers is a great game (as mentioned) and does have the "chase a power up" design, so it doesn't necessarily ruin a game, but again, MUSHA takes it a step further and I find it distracting to the core task of blowing s#*t up.

[Mark Robert]

If a game has infinite continues then just self-limit the number of continues. That's what I do. I may limit myself to say 3 continues.

[Kollision]

Sure it's harder than MUSHA, but Truxton for the MD is a poor game.

However, Robo Aleste is better than MUSHA. If you have the chance to check it out don't miss it.

[tomaitheous]

However, Robo Aleste is better than MUSHA. If you have the chance to check it out don't miss it.

Quoted for the truth :cool:

[TheEdge]

And I thought my "SOR2 = Overrated" thread hit a nerve.

Truxton IS by far the most mediocre shooter on the Genesis. I would have a more entertaining time staring at the MUSHA box art then actually playing Truxton.

[havok666]

Truxton IS by far the most mediocre shooter on the Genesis.

Crossfire says HELLO!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/demon6666/crossfire.jpg

[The Sports Guy]

I think that they are both decent games, but I think I would rather play MUSHA. They both have things that are good about them, but MUSHA is more classic and I felt that Truxton was a bit too cliche'.

I should say that my screenname here lends me to know next to nothing about shooters.

The only two shooters that I will always play loyally are Vapor Trail and Robo Aleste.


Crossfire says HELLO!

Haha! That game is not mediocre. The game is hilarious! If I reviewed it I probably would have had a hard time giving it a score at all, let alone a mediocre one.

[Zebbe]

Truxton, to me, feels more like the "standard STG 1A". MUSHA on the other hand has its sci-fi/old Japan combo theme, awesome metal music, multi-level parallax backgrounds etc. etc. etc. etc.

[Christuserloeser]

Truxton is pretty good, but not better than Musha Aleste.

[Alianger]

I've beaten Truxton once and while I found it pretty fun, it Is rather cheap. In the later levels you really have to learn all the enemy patterns or you'll get crashed into from behind/shot to pieces many times over.
Also the game's presentation is pretty forgettable, even for an 80s shooter. The music doesn't come close to making good use of the hardware..

The only advantage it has over MUSHA is the inclusion of a smart bomb, but then again that's just a lazy way for the developers to remedy their cheap level designs..



The thing I don't like about the MUSHA power up system is collecting those little pills. It's a bit distracting. I'm not a big fan of the "pick up your powerups" in general, but making you shoot them out of something and then catch them takes that somewhat annoying convention even further. You have to uncover your powerups in Truxton, but they are stationary, so there's no chasing.

Good point, but I think it gives the game some needed extra challenge. When you're fully powered up and have pods to waste the game is a breeze on default difficulty.

[iluvclassicgaming]

I love them both and they're my two favorite 16-bit shooters.
Even though their both vertical shooters they each have their own cool uniqueness.
There's is something about Truxton that makes it a little more addictive than MUSHA.

[chinitosoccer]

Truxton over MUSHA??? i even preffer Raiden Trad over Truxton..

[The Sports Guy]

Raiden Trad has that dang ringing noise that bothers me every time i play it.

Vapor Trail FTW.

[jesus.arnold]

Truxton is a good game so I don't go along with all the "obviously MUSHA is better" talk going on here as Truxton was one of the best of the early shmups on the MD. It's hardly surprising that MUSHA looks a lot nicer and has better effects seeing as it was released later.

[Aarzak]

Truxton's Level 1 BGM= Classic.

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[chinitosoccer]

Truxton is an arcade port, and its far from arcade perfect, Aleste is an original game for the megadrive, if i want to play Truxton im better suited with the FMTowns Marty port of the game, if i want to play Musha, i have no other choice than the megadrive version..

[sketch]

Truxton is an arcade port, and its far from arcade perfect, Aleste is an original game for the megadrive, if i want to play Truxton im better suited with the FMTowns Marty port of the game, if i want to play Musha, i have no other choice than the megadrive version..

My main reason for the comparison is to point out the merits of Truxton's gameplay. I'm sure there are better versions, but I find the gameplay of Truxton to be very solid.

There seems to be quite a range of views of Truxton, but I'd hazard a guess that those who dislike this game haven't given it a good playing. It *does* seem very pedestrian when you first play it and it takes a time investment to truly uncover its gameplay and charm. It's a game that grows on you.

Again, I haven't given MUSHA a enough play time to give a truly fair comparison, but I guess I expected to be blown away by MUSHA and wasn't. My expectations for Truxton were pretty modest and upon giving it serious playtime, it turns out to be one of the better shooters on the Genesis IMHO.

[jerry coeurl]

While we're on the subject of the Aleste games, how is Robo Aleste?

[havok666]

Truxton's Level 1 BGM= Classic.



I agree, Any of Toaplan's music is great. Twin Cobra, Fire Shark, Hellfire, Zero Wing, all wonderful.

[sketch]

I agree, Any of Toaplan's music is great. Twin Cobra, Fire Shark, Hellfire, Zero Wing, all wonderful.

I'd never taken note of Truxton's music, but it is well done. As much as I've played it, it doesn't get annoying, and that's not always an easy feat. And it is kinda catchy.

I'm a fan of Toaplan in general. Good stuff.

[Kollision]

While we're on the subject of the Aleste games, how is Robo Aleste?
It's a damn fine game.
It feels more "polished" than MUSHA. I think it makes great use of the Sega CD capabilities. It's also a longer and more difficult game than MUSHA is, with bosses that will give you a decent fight.
And I don't need to mention the soundtrack, do I? ;)

[sketch]

I'd like to try Robo Aleste but do not have a Sega CD at present:(

[jerry coeurl]

It's a damn fine game.
It feels more "polished" than MUSHA. I think it makes great use of the Sega CD capabilities. It's also a longer and more difficult game than MUSHA is, with bosses that will give you a decent fight.
And I don't need to mention the soundtrack, do I? ;)

Awesome. I think I'm definitely gonna grab that next. I have been having a lot of fun with Android Assault/Bari-Arm, but I want another shmup for my SCD.

I believe it can be had for a great deal less than MUSHA as well.

[Christuserloeser]

Robo Aleste is greatly underrated.

[Black_Tiger]

Truxton's cool, but comparing it to MUSHA is like comparing Shining in the Darkness to Phantasy Star IV.

[Aarzak]

Guess that even back in circa-March 1990, people were on the fence on "Truxton":

Archived usenet post:

I notice on the Game Ratings report that some people have rated TRUXTON as
a good and bad game. (Noone put it as O.K.)


Could I get some opinions/words around those numerical ratings?


Thanks, Dan


I have TRUXTON and I would rate it at least OK, if not better. If you
like "fighting air ships" style of games, like TF2, then I would
suggest it as a decent game, especially considering the TF3 will not
be out for several long months.

On the other hand, if you are really strapped for cash or don't like
these styles of games, I would wait for TF3 or maybe check out
Herzog Zwei in April. I would definitely purchase ThunderForceII
before I would purchase TRUXTON.

[17daysolderthannes]

Awesome. I think I'm definitely gonna grab that next. I have been having a lot of fun with Android Assault/Bari-Arm, but I want another shmup for my SCD.

I believe it can be had for a great deal less than MUSHA as well.

Android Assault is WAY better IMO. I don't like the Aleste series at all personally, maybe because I prefer my robots to be from the future instead of retarded samurai bullshit. Also, I much prefer horizontal shooters to vertical ones.

[jerry coeurl]

I actually happen to prefer vertical scrolling shmups myself, so if anything that makes me want to get it more. But I love the genre, and any title that isn't a complete pile is at least worthy of my attention.

I would look into Keio Flying Squadron if the game could be had for less than an arm and a leg. Anybody ever played the SCD port of Lords of Thunder? I know that it "doesn't even compare," but as I've never played the original I have nothing to compare it to. That's another one I would consider getting, even though it does seem to be a bit on the pricey side.

[Alianger]

I don't like the Aleste series at all personally, maybe because I prefer my robots to be from the future instead of retarded samurai bullshit.

Well you obviously haven't played Super Aleste/Space Megaforce or any of the Power Strike games.

[chinitosoccer]

I actually happen to prefer vertical scrolling shmups myself, so if anything that makes me want to get it more. But I love the genre, and any title that isn't a complete pile is at least worthy of my attention.

I would look into Keio Flying Squadron if the game could be had for less than an arm and a leg. Anybody ever played the SCD port of Lords of Thunder? I know that it "doesn't even compare," but as I've never played the original I have nothing to compare it to. That's another one I would consider getting, even though it does seem to be a bit on the pricey side.

The port of Lords of thunder for the SCD is better than the PCEcd original IMHO, less colorfull but not that bad as some people may lead you to believe.

[sketch]

The port of Lords of thunder for the SCD is better than the PCEcd original IMHO, less colorfull but not that bad as some people may lead you to believe.

I've owned both (although I own neither now). I prefer the PCE version mainly because of the increased colors and the soundtrack. I played the PCE version first, and when they inexplicably changed the soundtrack for the SCD, I found it quite annoying.

That said, both versions are extremely fun to play and the SCD version is still a great game. If you have both systems, I'd say go for the PCE version. But the SCD version is almost as good and a great game is a great game. It's certainly not buying the expensive Turbo hardware to get a slightly better version...

[Black_Tiger]

The port of Lords of thunder for the SCD is better than the PCEcd original IMHO, less colorfull but not that bad as some people may lead you to believe.

Both versions are great, but I'm curious to know how/in which ways you find the Sega version to be better?

[chinitosoccer]

Both versions are great, but I'm curious to know how/in which ways you find the Sega version to be better?

smoother animation, less slowdown, less sprite flickering, more things at the same time onscreen and the remastered sountracks sounds better to me.
I belive that LOT pushes the PCE to its limits but it could be a much better game if it was a SegaCD original and not a port from an inferior console.

[sketch]

Truxton's cool, but comparing it to MUSHA is like comparing Shining in the Darkness to Phantasy Star IV.

Heh; since I'm not an RPG guy, that statement doesn't have as much impact with me, although I get your drift.

Both Truxton and MUSHA seem to share one thing in common; they both garner a wide spectrum of opinions. I know MUSHA is highly regarded, but I know a lot of people consider it overrated as well.

Truxton is considered to be purile crap, but there are some quarters (like me) who think it's a top notch shooter (from a gameplay perspective).

And whoever said Raiden Trad was better, fair enough. I like Raiden Trad as well. Not sure where it stands in the pantheon of Raiden ports, but I find it a lot of fun.

[sketch]

smoother animation, less slowdown, less sprite flickering, more things at the same time onscreen and the remastered sountracks sounds better to me.
I belive that LOT pushes the PCE to its limits but it could be a much better game if it was a SegaCD original and not a port from an inferior console.

I don't consider the PCE to be inferior. It was a great console for shooters. I don't recall any slowdown during LoT on PCE either, but I'm going from memory.

[Black_Tiger]

smoother animation, less slowdown, less sprite flickering, more things at the same time onscreen and the remastered sountracks sounds better to me.
I belive that LOT pushes the PCE to its limits but it could be a much better game if it was a SegaCD original and not a port from an inferior console.

By reading between the lines, I got the answer to my question. :p

[Christuserloeser]

Archived usenet post:

I have TRUXTON and I would rate it at least OK, if not better. If you
like "fighting air ships" style of games, like TF2, then I would
suggest it as a decent game, especially considering the TF3 will not
be out for several long months.

On the other hand, if you are really strapped for cash or don't like
these styles of games, I would wait for TF3 or maybe check out
Herzog Zwei in April. I would definitely purchase ThunderForceII
before I would purchase TRUXTON.

Dear SEGA,

did you notice something there ? - People got to love you for games that you stopped distributing in the West by 1992 / 1993.

I guess one could say you got what you deserved.

Kind regards,

a former customer

[otaku]

MUSHA is by far the better game truxton is a fine game but musha is amazing:cool:

[Aarzak]

As with "Lords of Thunder", the PCE version of Truxton/Tatsujin is considered to be superior to the Genesis version. The music's closer to the laid-back tempo of the original coin-op's music (as opposed to the Genny's FM synth-y, rapid blaring music) and it looks a bit livelier than the sparse 2 MEGA POWER Genesis port.

[sketch]

As with "Lords of Thunder", the PCE version of Truxton/Tatsujin is considered to be superior to the Genesis version. The music's closer to the laid-back tempo of the original coin-op's music (as opposed to the Genny's FM synth-y, rapid blaring music) and it looks a bit livelier than the sparse 2 MEGA POWER Genesis port.

The PCE excelled at shooters so I'm not surprised that Tatsujin on the PCE is a top notch port. I've found with a lot of ports that the differences don't *usually* amount to enough for me to be concerned one way or the other. I don't always have to have the best port, as long as it's a good one. But I wouldn't mind playing this for comparison (if I had the hardware):)

[Black_Tiger]

The PCE excelled at shooters so I'm not surprised that Tatsujin on the PCE is a top notch port. I've found with a lot of ports that the differences don't *usually* amount to enough for me to be concerned one way or the other. I don't always have to have the best port, as long as it's a good one. But I wouldn't mind playing this for comparison (if I had the hardware):)

Truxton/Tatsujin is one of those games where either version is fine and there isn't a huge difference.

[sketch]

Good to know. I've owned a PCE off and on over the years, but have decided to just stick with the Genny (for various reasons). The PCE is a great machine for shooters, but I like the variety the Genesis has to offer (in addition to top notch shooters).

I played some more Truxton today and really think anyone who hates it should at least give it a good run. You might change your mind, as it is somewhat of an acquired taste.

[AD2101]

Truxton isn't bad IMO, it's just kind of unremarkable. There's a lot of shmup's on the Genesis and this is one of those alright games that I think just gets lost in the fold.

M.U.S.H.A is alright but I think Robo Aleste is simply better, cheaper too.

[The Coop]

For me, M.U.S.H.A. is the clear winner. It has better graphics, better music, better stages, more interesting bosses, and a more interesting visual style. The only thing that Truxton has over M.U.S.H.A. is the challenge level. It offers a tougher challenge than Compile's offering. But that's simply not enough to pull M.U.S.H.A. down.

Thunder Force IV is the best side scroller on the Genesis, and arguably the best 16bit shmup out there. M.U.S.H.A. is the best vertical scroller on the Genesis. That's how my vote stands.

[Ghaleon]

Thunder Force IV is the best side scroller on the Genesis, and arguably the best 16bit shmup out there.

Agreed there, but I find Truxton, despite some obvious flaws, more enjoyable than M.U.S.H.A., and there are far, far worse shooters on MD/Gen than Truxton: Crossfire as mentioned, Curse, and Twin Cobra is just plain unplayable--load time, during gameplay, on a cartridge--what a concept. ;)

[Kollision]

I would take Twin Cobra out of that category (that with Curse and Crossfire).
Twin Cobra is not unplayable, it's just plain HARD.

[The Sports Guy]

Balls hard. I like Raiden Trad, Vapor Trail and I am intrigued by Robo Aleste. Truxton isn't bad, but MUSHA is the NHL '96 of shooters.

[The Coop]

I have a soft spot for Curse, partly because I waited some thirteen years to finally get to play it. It's not the best shmup on the Genesis, but I like it.

[sketch]

I've been putting in some more time on Truxton and can say one thing for certain, Truxton is HARDER than MUSHA. Man, it's a brutal game.

[Dirt Ball Gamer]

Reading this thread has been a real soul shattering experience for me.

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