iPhone 3GS=the best thing ever, ever [Archive]

17daysolderthannes

07-02-2009, 03:18 AM

Now I know what you're thinking, "why is he posting this in the 'insert coin' section? obviously this belongs in 'off topic.'" You may also be thinking "OMG LOL WTF BBQ iPhone sux my *insert any other phone* is better" or "that's stupid, I use my phone for phone calls."

I have nothing more to say than that this is my current lineup of games for my iPhone 3GS (not mentioning its a GPS, Internet device, organizer, camera, video camera, 0-60 and 1/4 mile timer, dictionary, alarm, PDF/Excel/RTF/etc. reader, oh, and a phone):

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(this is actually a port specifically made for the iPhone, not an emulator)

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(all the videos I could find sucked ass at the game, if you want to see it played better, ask me and I'll make a video)

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I actually have a bit more, but I didn't want to overload you with racing games, etc.

After spending time with this, the DS is just about worthless and the PSP is roughly the same. The only thing PSP is better for at this point is games that REALLY need physical d-pads/buttons like emulator games and PSX emulation, etc.

This iPhone 3GS is probably the single best thing I've ever gotten. If you have any more questions about it, just ask. I should also mention its not as restricted as people would have you think, there's a REALLY easy way to circumvent the $2 ringtone bullshit and it doesn't require modding/hacking/jailbreaking the phone in any way (look on youtube). I can also get around syncing by using file sharing apps that allow me to send files straight to my phone from my computer via wi fi.

sketch

07-02-2009, 03:39 AM

Now I know what you're thinking, "why is he posting this in the 'insert coin' section? obviously this belongs in 'off topic.'" You may also be thinking "OMG LOL WTF BBQ iPhone sux my *insert any other phone* is better" or "that's stupid, I use my phone for phone calls."

After spending time with this, the DS is just about worthless and the PSP is roughly the same. The only thing PSP is better for at this point is games that REALLY need physical d-pads/buttons like emulator games and PSX emulation, etc.

This iPhone 3GS is probably the single best thing I've ever gotten. If you have any more questions about it, just ask. I should also mention its not as restricted as people would have you think, there's a REALLY easy way to circumvent the $2 ringtone bullshit and it doesn't require modding/hacking/jailbreaking the phone in any way (look on youtube). I can also get around syncing by using file sharing apps that allow me to send files straight to my phone from my computer via wi fi.

Hey, 17days, I am very curious how playable games like Megaman are without a physical dpad. For touch or motion controls, it seems workable, but I can't see playing platformers without any buttons. Your thoughts would be appreciated.

17daysolderthannes

07-02-2009, 03:48 AM

Hey, 17days, I am very curious how playable games like Megaman are without a physical dpad. For touch or motion controls, it seems workable, but I can't see playing platformers without any buttons. Your thoughts would be appreciated.

Well, I just found Mega Man tonight and I'm still getting used to it, but its definitely playable. One thing that helps is that Mega Man is only a 2-direction shooter for the most part (excluding the saw blade) so if you accidentally hit up/down diagonal it won't hurt you. The biggest problem is that the action buttons are too close to the "joystick" so firing while running right can come up with clearance issues, especially if you have fat fingers. Its really not as bad as you might think to not feel a button pressing down, the main thing is usually hitting cardinal directions in games that need it. Compared to any cell phone I've played games on, its light years better as most phones won't even respond to a button press every time whereas the iPhone ALWAYS responds.

Joe Redifer

07-02-2009, 03:49 AM

What is the per-month contract on that thing? My phone is just fine. I never need it to play games or do my taxes.

sketch

07-02-2009, 03:57 AM

That's good to know. I've been pondering an iPhone after not being wholly satisfied with the DS or PSP. Both have their strengths, but the real problem with any portable is you're not likely to have it on you when you need it. With an iPhone, you always have your phone, your organizer, your email, your browser, your camera, and your game machine (etc.) all in one spot, and it's always with you. Assuming games are playable using the touch screen, that's one more reason for me to pick one up. My only qualm is the service contract at this point.

17daysolderthannes

07-02-2009, 04:08 AM

What is the per-month contract on that thing? My phone is just fine. I never need it to play games or do my taxes.

$30 extra data fee over normal AT&T rates (which is really just to pay off the phone since its only $200 with a plan). I didn't go for the unlimited texting plan, so I only pay $5 for 200 messages.

You say you don't need it/you'll never use it, but once you have it, everything else might as well be thrown away, I'm not kidding. Aside from my computer to backup information and initially load music, etc., just about any other electronic device in my house is disposable, hell, I don't even need my regular alarm clock anymore (waking to a custom ring tone [made very easily for free] is much better than ERRR ERRR ERRR ERRR in the morning).

Unlike the ripoff Wii downloads (or downloads for any system for that matter), the iPhone App store has some damn good prices. When I scanned it, like 3/4 of the Apps were free, and then 1/2 of the remaining ones were like 99¢. Only big games like Real Racing and Doom Resurrection are $10 and games like Touchgrind and Terminator are $5. A similar game on DS would be $30 or $40 for sure.

Even better, I now have a GPS for my car and all of my music playable in my car, but since its my phone, I'm not tempted to leave it in my car where someone might see it and break a window to steal it since I always bring my phone with me. Most people leave their GPS at home when they aren't on a trip, but since its my phone, I can get lost anywhere at any time and find my way home, even if I'm not in my car (as most GPS stay in the car).

The camera is easily serviceable as a primary photo camera (it even takes clear pictures while driving down the road!) and the video camera isn't too shabby either (though the frame rate will drop in low light because of how it compensates). For all realistic uses, the camera is all you ever need (its like 3 Megapixel), I don't know why people buy 10 megapixel cameras that can take a poster sized photo, who seriously ever prints out a poster-sized photo? Even worse, if you don't size them down properly, they get all kinds of crazy distortion and look like total shit. If most people would just learn to focus their cameras and clean the lense they wouldn't have such a problem with lower megapixel cameras (just click the object you want to focus on with the iPhone).

Another cool thing you can do is put movies on the iPhone and get an A/V cable and play any movie you want straight from your iphone.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s190/specv4life/photo.jpg

taken while going down the street at about 30 mph.

sketch

07-02-2009, 04:12 AM

That pic is surprisingly good for being in motion...again, I never have my camera on me when I need it, so having an iPhone would alleviate that issue as well.

17daysolderthannes

07-02-2009, 04:27 AM

That pic is surprisingly good for being in motion...again, I never have my camera on me when I need it, so having an iPhone would alleviate that issue as well.

yeah, I've been wanting a camera on my phone for years, it was the only thing missing from the N-Gage QD compared to other smartphones of the time. There's always stuff coming up that I want to take pictures of but can't because I don't keep a camera on me.

j_factor

07-02-2009, 04:29 AM

I might be interested if there weren't an extra "iPhone fee" that they charge for no good reason.

Da_Shocker

07-02-2009, 05:33 AM

AT&T has the best phones and the worst prices.

mick_aka

07-02-2009, 10:06 AM

I'm waiting for the iPhone 3GS to come back into stock as they are currently sold out in the UK :(

Knuckle Duster

07-02-2009, 11:15 AM

Expect a recall on the overly expensive new toy you just bought. (http://www.usrecallnews.com/2009/07/iphone-3g-s-recall-concerns-are-heating-up-hot-iphone-3gs.html)

http://a3.vox.com/6a00b8ea0783561bc000d09e48469bbe2b-320pi

Da_Shocker

07-02-2009, 12:53 PM

I always wanted more apps for the kitchen, but I never thought I would be able to cook an egg with it.

LOL

Zebbe

07-02-2009, 12:57 PM

This is definitely crap in electronic form. A million unnecessary functions I never need, for an astronomical price to put more cash on some idiot's already too big pile of wealth.

I'm fine with my cheap and simple Nokia 1234 or whatever it's called, thanks.

TmEE

07-02-2009, 01:22 PM

I only ever need a phone to see the time, and rarely to talk to someone... I need to get another phone, my current one managed to die.... poor Nokia3310

Chilly Willy

07-02-2009, 02:05 PM

The biggest problem with the new iPhone is the same problem many phones have: the built-in camera. Many places no longer allow devices with cameras inside, be they actual cameras, phones, or laptops. Most federal buildings are that way... the last time I had jury duty, they confiscated all cameras and devices with cameras before they let the people into the courthouse. Not that you should be using a cell phone in the court anyway. :)

0x15e

07-02-2009, 11:33 PM

Soo ... has AT&T seen fit to turn on the MMS functionality since Apple finally added it to the phone?

Every time I go to buy one of these, there's some deal killer.

First, it was realizing that the iPhone STILL doesn't have a feature my ancient Sony W810i has.

Today, I figured I'd at least go talk to a rep at the store about it but ... *gasp* they've been out of stock since launch day.

Meh, my old phone works just fine. I'll get an iPhone when it works as well as my now 3+ year old cheapy phone and I don't have to jump through hoops to buy it.

Metal_Sonic

07-02-2009, 11:39 PM

sketch

07-03-2009, 12:23 AM

The iphone is just another piece of electronics. Some people love them and they do exactly what they want. Others don't. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I don't understand why people have to shit all over someone because they find the iPhone to be great for them personally.

I don't suppose these same people would find it acceptable if they were being dumped on as losers dorks for playing a 20 year old game machine simply because no one else understands the appeal.

Knuckle Duster

07-03-2009, 12:35 AM

17daysolderthannes

07-03-2009, 12:45 AM

I might be interested if there weren't an extra "iPhone fee" that they charge for no good reason.

no good reason? $30 is a steal for mobile internet that can be dialed into everywhere. That $30 fee is also to help pay off the remaining $300 you don't pay upfront (I believe it is $500 if you buy it outright without a plan). I said it wasn't worth it before, but now that I have it, its totally worth it.

Expect a recall on the overly expensive new toy you just bought. (http://www.usrecallnews.com/2009/07/iphone-3g-s-recall-concerns-are-heating-up-hot-iphone-3gs.html)

#1 its not a toy, its the most useful thing ever made. Thats said, I do already have a solid page of downloaded games, but there is little an iPhone CAN'T do that any other electronic devices can.

#2 I've used mine almost non-stop since I got it Monday and it has never overheated or been "too hot to touch." I think some sensitive skinned little twats need to grow a pair. My N-Gage QD used to get scalding hot after fully charging it, its called a battery. Have you ever used an XBOX 360 before? I think I could warm a warehouse in Siberia with just one of those.

#3 I don't really care if they do recall it, all that means is that I sync it to iTunes for about, oh, 15 seconds, take the new one out of the box, sync all my shit onto the new one, and send the old one back. I could literally receive and throw away an iPhone every day and it would only be minimally inconvenient with the iTunes backup (you can backup EVERYTHING including contacts, bookmarks, etc).

edit: I just looked into that some more, and it looks like 1 isolated incident has been blown out of proportion by retards trying to find a reason to shit on the iPhone. Apple tests the ever loving fuck out of their products before releasing them and based on my long history with Apple I can almost guarantee any overheating problems are the dumbass shithead owner's fault.

This is definitely crap in electronic form. A million unnecessary functions I never need, for an astronomical price to put more cash on some idiot's already too big pile of wealth.

I'm fine with my cheap and simple Nokia 1234 or whatever it's called, thanks.

That's only because you're thinking about it wrong. Do you own a video game system? a camera? a video camera? a graphing calculator? a GPS? an MP3 player? an MP4 player? a portable internet/e-mail receiver? a PHONE? an alarm clock? etc......

What if you could have all of that in a device that is with you 24/7 because it is your primary means of communication? What good is a PSP if you don't keep it in your pocket all the time? what about an MP3 player? a camera? etc. I own all 3 of those things separately, but do I have the PSP when I have to wait at the DMV? do I have the camera when I see a replica of the A-Team van parked on the street? Do I have the MP3 player when I'm on campus walking from class to class?

When you have everything in your pocket all the time, its always there, ready to be used. It may not do everything as well as a purpose built device, but it does it better than you need it in 99% of situations. Seriously, I've heard a 10 Megapixel camera can take a picture big enough to be a poster, when do you REALLY need that? I posted a picture in this thread of a picture I took with the iPhone WHILE GOING DOWN THE ROAD in a car and it is big and clear enough for 99% of any possible situation that would require a picture taken.

I only ever need a phone to see the time, and rarely to talk to someone... I need to get another phone, my current one managed to die.... poor Nokia3310

How about you get a watch :daze: ?

Here's the question though, do you leave your house without your phone, whether or not you actively plan to call someone? Almost everyone (at least everyone with any sense) always brings their phone anywhere they go if for no other reason than emergencies. What if my car breaks down? I could just whip out my cell phone...or I could walk miles in some cases to the nearest place with a hard wired phone and hope I can remember the numbers or have them written down somewhere. If you always have it with you, you always have every feature it has with you as well, which is the whole point. You don't get the iPhone to sit in your house and surf the internet, you get the iPhone so you can surf the internet anywhere at any time for any reason, which means anything you need the answer to is just a few screen taps away.

The biggest problem with the new iPhone is the same problem many phones have: the built-in camera. Many places no longer allow devices with cameras inside, be they actual cameras, phones, or laptops. Most federal buildings are that way... the last time I had jury duty, they confiscated all cameras and devices with cameras before they let the people into the courthouse. Not that you should be using a cell phone in the court anyway. :)

Yes, but at the same time you can get away with a camera in places you otherwise couldn't. I can give you one example from a job I had a few years ago. I worked for Super 1 (grocery store) and went to other grocery stores to collect the prices of the top 600 items for price matching, etc. If you look on the door of most stores, they say no cameras and would probably kick you out if they caught you taking pictures of displays, etc. because they are very protective of their layout strategies. At the same time, any old numnut could walk in there with a camera phone and snap pictures of the whole store and it would just look like he was texting his buddies about the kegger party. Honestly, how many times has a camera in your phone REALLY been a problem? The only 2 main places I can think of is jury duty and army bases, and they probably don't want you having a cell phone at all in either one. IIRC, they made me leave my N-Gage QD in my car when I went to a court date and it didn't even have a camera.

The iphone is just another piece of electronics. Some people love them and they do exactly what they want. Others don't. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I don't understand why people have to shit all over someone because they find the iPhone to be great for them personally.

I don't suppose these same people would find it acceptable if they were being dumped on as losers dorks for playing a 20 year old game machine simply because no one else understands the appeal.

I think alot of it has to do with the fact that way too many iPhone owners are douches that really have no need or business getting an iPhone. They just get it because its the "in" phone so they can say "oh, I have an iPhone" yet all they ever use it for is calling people and texting their drama queen friends. I find its sort of like a BMW. If someone sees you driving a BMW, they tell you about their Toyota, etc. that does everything the BMW does for less money and show you how the numbers are on paper. At the end of the day, nothing drives quite like a BMW (I may be referring to older cars, I don't know if they still have that reputation) and those that really appreciate it for being a drivers car vs. a douchey status symbol are left constantly defending themselves. I'm one of the few people I know of so far that really use the iPhone to its full potential. Pretty much every feature on it is something I would use daily. If anything, the best part is how streamlined everything about it is. Other phones may have the same stuff on paper, but in practice its too unwieldy to be worth the effort.

sketch

07-03-2009, 12:56 AM

Haha, I hold no grudges against the iPhone, I was going to buy one next week.

I just seen it as an opportunity to tell people about a possible recall AND a chance to link that awesome album cover photo of King Diamond in a funny way.

Well, if you buy one and you hate it, then you have every right to rag on it:) As for recalls, I honestly never buy a new product, or a new updated product, when it first comes out. I always wait until they work the kinks out. Also, for me, the $70 monthly minimum is too high (at least right now), but if that comes down even $10, I'm probably there:)

sketch

07-03-2009, 01:01 AM

I think alot of it has to do with the fact that way too many iPhone owners are douches that really have no need or business getting an iPhone. They just get it because its the "in" phone so they can say "oh, I have an iPhone" yet all they ever use it for is calling people and texting their drama queen friends. I find its sort of like a BMW. If someone sees you driving a BMW, they tell you about their Toyota, etc. that does everything the BMW does for less money and show you how the numbers are on paper. At the end of the day, nothing drives quite like a BMW (I may be referring to older cars, I don't know if they still have that reputation) and those that really appreciate it for being a drivers car vs. a douchey status symbol are left constantly defending themselves. I'm one of the few people I know of so far that really use the iPhone to its full potential. Pretty much every feature on it is something I would use daily. If anything, the best part is how streamlined everything about it is. Other phones may have the same stuff on paper, but in practice its too unwieldy to be worth the effort.

Good point. The two people I know who have them use the versatility and power the iPhone has to offer. My one friend virtually lives on hers, between texting, telephone, websurfing, and casual games. They love their phones for what they do. I have seen plenty of trendy numb nuts sporting the iPhone as well, and yeah, they give it a bad name. Oh, well. Can't let a few (million) douchebags spoil it for everyone:)

Metal_Sonic

07-03-2009, 01:34 AM

#2 I've used mine almost non-stop since I got it Monday and it has never overheated or been "too hot to touch." I think some sensitive skinned little twats need to grow a pair. My N-Gage QD used to get scalding hot after fully charging it, its called a battery. Have you ever used an XBOX 360 before? I think I could warm a warehouse in Siberia with just one of those.

Ah come on, you like the iPhone and everything but defending a flaw? The things get hot enough to discolor and BLOW UP. Let something blow up in your ear, I'll be there to say "Stop being a nutless sissy". If I were you, I would get it replaced. About the 360 ungodly heat, put it up to your ear and have a conversation. Enjoy.

sketch

07-03-2009, 02:08 AM

17daysolderthannes

07-03-2009, 02:28 AM

Ah come on, you like the iPhone and everything but defending a flaw? The things get hot enough to discolor and BLOW UP. Let something blow up in your ear, I'll be there to say "Stop being a nutless sissy". If I were you, I would get it replaced. About the 360 ungodly heat, put it up to your ear and have a conversation. Enjoy.

alleged flaw. That's something that really annoys me: people just go around calling things flawed because they used it wrong and fucked it up. You just ignore my personal testimony for some gossip on the internet. I'm sorry, do I not own an iPhone 3GS? These reports aren't like RROD where it takes a few months/years to happen, these people got their phones like 2 weeks before I did, if it were truly defective, it would be an immediate issue and would certainly have come up while playing battery sucking high-end games for hours at a time while also intermittently screwing around with the GPS, internet, media players, and other heavy processing applications.

When Apple issues a recall, THEN its a problem/flaw, because common sense dictates they will if it truly is a problem. Even one or two lawsuits would cost more than enough to justify recalling it, not to mention recalling it as soon as possible creates a positive public image. Trust me when I say if Apple doesn't recall it, its just another pile of bullshit gossip among drama queens. That's why Apple shut down a thread on an Apple forum about it, because its an unsubstantiated rumor that could really hurt the sales of the iPhone and Apple's image in general even if its not true. Its just like Michael Jackson and the pedophilia thing, he was acquitted, but up until his death any mention of him was met with a child rape joke, no matter what the truth is, the juicy gossip is always what people remember.

Read your own link. The article says there have been no reports of batteries blowing up.

Edit: More importantly, this is a "hearsay" article. It's just reporting that there are reports that people are complaining about overheating. Hardly conclusive...

word. If batteries were blowing up, Wozniak would personally show up to my house to take my iPhone and give me a free Macbook for my trouble, thats how quick Apple would be recalling them if they were actually blowing up.

jerry coeurl

07-03-2009, 02:50 AM

j_factor

07-03-2009, 02:53 AM

no good reason? $30 is a steal for mobile internet that can be dialed into everywhere. That $30 fee is also to help pay off the remaining $300 you don't pay upfront (I believe it is $500 if you buy it outright without a plan). I said it wasn't worth it before, but now that I have it, its totally worth it.

I pay $15 a month for unlimited data (and I have AT&T), so I don't consider twice that amount to be a steal. They charge extra just for the iPhone. Other plan-subsidized phones don't incur this fee.

I also don't like the pricing of the two models. $200 for the 16GB model, or $300 for the 32GB model. Since when does 16GB of space cost a hundred dollars? And the drives aren't user-replaceable, and it has no memory card slot.

I'm sure the amount of space is ample if you're just using it for apps, but it doesn't come in large enough capacities to take the place of my PMP.

That's only because you're thinking about it wrong. Do you own a video game system? a camera? a video camera? a graphing calculator? a GPS? an MP3 player? an MP4 player? a portable internet/e-mail receiver? a PHONE? an alarm clock? etc......

Almost any smartphone can use the internet, email, and has a camera and video camera. There is a free J2ME-based GPS app (http://www.amazegps.com/index.php?page=home) available, as well as a free graphing calculator (http://www.getjar.com/products/4995/XCalc) app. MP3 and video capability are also standard nowadays, although the iPhone has an advantage in storage. There are also plenty of J2ME games around to keep anyone busy; the iPhone probably has some nicer games, but who cares? I would only ever use cell phone games to busy myself when I'm waiting around for something; I'd never use a download-only platform as a serious game machine. Oh yeah, here's an alarm clock (http://www.getjar.com/products/2697/InfoTimeAlarmClock) too.

Metal_Sonic

07-03-2009, 03:01 AM

Yes, I "ignored" your testimony because you simply chalked up people who complain about overheating as "sensitive skinned little twats need to grow a pair" and "bullshit gossip among drama queens". These complaints are coming up more and more, you gonna tell me its just gossip between drama queens? Read the comments on the article, are they just sissies? About the things blowing up:

As of yet, we haven’t heard of any iPhone 3G batteries exploding like so many laptop batteries have recently, but tmcnet, PCWorld, ChannelWeb, MacDailyNews, and several other online tech publications have all reported on the story, often with first-hand accounts.

Now, point to me the part where ALL these people had their iPhones for two weeks since you must have some info I don't know about. I also find it funny that you defend Apple when people made a thread about the problem which Apple then closes. Of course they're gonna close it, they stand to lose money about it. Shit, they should recall the batteries, they have a life so short Apple advises you not to use anything too hardware intensive, INCLUDING 3G. Yea, thats a cool phone "USE ALL OUR THE COOL FEATURES Just not too long." Overpriced piece of crap if you ask me.

17daysolderthannes

07-03-2009, 03:05 AM

I hate people who are attached to their phones, and iPhones really seem to facilitate this. Everyone I know who has an iPhone hardly ever puts the damn thing down. I can understand the appeal of an all-in-one device that does everything well, but it just puzzles me when I see people at a party/kick-back/whatever who spend the entire time on the couch, texting their goddamn brains out.

When I go out it's usually to get away from the internet and video games, etc.

Those people did that shit even on Nokia brick phones back in the day. I don't do that shit. When I go out, its to be around people I don't see in my day to day life (mostly girls) and if I was to use the iPhone, it would be to get their number or to pull up a website/youtube video relevant to what we were talking about, etc. For instance, just last weekend I was getting my flirt on for like 2 hours with a girl and a couple youtube videos came up in the conversation. If I had my iPhone then, I could've brought them up and showed them right then and there. Its just those small things that make having like this with you all the time just plain convenient.

I pay $15 a month for unlimited data (and I have AT&T), so I don't consider twice that amount to be a steal. They charge extra just for the iPhone. Other plan-subsidized phones don't incur this fee.

I also don't like the pricing of the two models. $200 for the 16GB model, or $300 for the 32GB model. Since when does 16GB of space cost a hundred dollars? And the drives aren't user-replaceable, and it has no memory card slot.

I'm sure the amount of space is ample if you're just using it for apps, but it doesn't come in large enough capacities to take the place of my PMP.

Almost any smartphone can use the internet, email, and has a camera and video camera. There is a free J2ME-based GPS app (http://www.amazegps.com/index.php?page=home) available, as well as a free graphing calculator (http://www.getjar.com/products/4995/XCalc) app. MP3 and video capability are also standard nowadays, although the iPhone has an advantage in storage. There are also plenty of J2ME games around to keep anyone busy; the iPhone probably has some nicer games, but who cares? I would only ever use cell phone games to busy myself when I'm waiting around for something; I'd never use a download-only platform as a serious game machine. Oh yeah, here's an alarm clock (http://www.getjar.com/products/2697/InfoTimeAlarmClock) too.

Suffice it to say you're another one of those people that don't understand why a Mac is better than a PC even though a roughly equivalent PC is cheaper. I've used other people's smartphones and the word "headache" sums up pretty much all of them. Anything you do requires way too much bullshitting around. My dad has had a Black Jack, Black Jack 2, and currently has a Blackberry and he would kill for an iPhone. With Apple products, all of the little things that other companies ignore add up to one really big difference.

Metal_Sonic

07-03-2009, 03:07 AM

Suffice it to say you're another one of those people that don't understand why a Mac is better than a PC even though a roughly equivalent PC is cheaper. I've used other people's smartphones and the word "headache" sums up pretty much all of them. Anything you do requires way too much bullshitting around. My dad has had a Black Jack, Black Jack 2, and currently has a Blackberry and he would kill for an iPhone. With Apple products, all of the little things that other companies ignore add up to one really big difference.

Oh.....my.....god.

Knuckle Duster

07-03-2009, 03:15 AM

Those people did that shit even on Nokia brick phones back in the day. I don't do that shit. When I go out, its to be around people I don't see in my day to day life (mostly girls) and if I was to use the iPhone, it would be to get their number or to pull up a website/youtube video relevant to what we were talking about, etc. For instance, just last weekend I was getting my flirt on for like 2 hours with a girl and a couple youtube videos came up in the conversation. If I had my iPhone then, I could've brought them up and showed them right then and there. Its just those small things that make having like this with you all the time just plain convenient.

Suffice it to say you're another one of those people that don't understand why a Mac is better than a PC even though a roughly equivalent PC is cheaper. I've used other people's smartphones and the word "headache" sums up pretty much all of them. Anything you do requires way too much bullshitting around. My dad has had a Black Jack, Black Jack 2, and currently has a Blackberry and he would kill for an iPhone. With Apple products, all of the little things that other companies ignore add up to one really big difference.

I find it hilarious how this guy wall-of-texts every 10 minutes with an omni-directional abrasive attitude towards an argument that doesn't exist.

Mac is better than PC now?
Fail/10 fanboy.

KnightWarrior

07-03-2009, 03:16 AM

What..the.... Fuck

How cann people play on the Iphone..Wow, it's uncomfortable

Metal_Sonic

07-03-2009, 03:22 AM

I've used other people's smartphones and the word "headache" sums up pretty much all of them. Anything you do requires way too much bullshitting around. My dad has had a Black Jack, Black Jack 2, and currently has a Blackberry and he would kill for an iPhone. With Apple products, all of the little things that other companies ignore add up to one really big difference.

Just uh, gonna add something. Why is it a headache? Ive used various smart phones and they're pretty easy to use, have all the features of an iphone, great battery life, and most are cheaper than the iphone.

Knuckle Duster

07-03-2009, 03:32 AM

Just uh, gonna add something. Why is it a headache? Ive used various smart phones and they're pretty easy to use, have all the features of an iphone, great battery life, and most are cheaper than the iphone.

It's probably a biased blanket statement.
Smart Phones running Windows Mobile are terribly clunky and feels 10 years behind. Maybe he's associating 'all smartphones except apples' as the equivilent to 'an evil PC' :lol:

iPhone has competition beat due to the web browser's easy interface, and the application support. This will change once Android support takes off.

Blackberry is slick and easy to use, but their hardware is flaky, and the touch models they come out with recently aren't good enough to compete. I don't know what to make of the Palm Pre yet.

Metal_Sonic

07-03-2009, 03:36 AM

The Palm Pre? Meh
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/palm-pre-sprint/4505-6452_7-33490473.html

sketch

07-03-2009, 03:36 AM

Somewhat back on topic, how is the battery life, 17-days?

kool kitty89

07-03-2009, 06:59 AM

As for the external memory/cards limitation, can it accept USB compatible flash drives? (given the USB connectivity it should, even if a passthrough addaptor is needed to connect via a miniature USB port)

I might be interested if there weren't an extra "iPhone fee" that they charge for no good reason.

Yeah, well in that case, and for those who aren't intrested in such a thing as a phone (I for one don't like to carry expensive stuff around like that), there's always the iPod Touch. Which Classic Game Room HD has been reviewing games for a while on as well ;)
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=InecomCompany&view=videos&query=touch

Granted they are still pretty price as well. (even on sale) http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcat17080&type=page&qp=cabcat0201000~~cabcat0201009~~nf795%7C%7C746f75 6368&list=y&nrp=15&sc=audioSP&sp=-bestsellingsort+skuid&usc=abcat0200000&DCMP=KNC-TLC&ref=30&loc=KW-2464

17daysolderthannes

07-03-2009, 02:18 PM

Somewhat back on topic, how is the battery life, 17-days?

considering how I'm using it almost every waking second, it is probably best to keep a charger handy. It lasts a good 5-6 hours, I've never had it go dead before getting home again. I plan on stocking up on charger cables since they are less than $2 on dealextreme.com and if you really need extra juice you can buy booster batteries (even one incorporated into a case) that basically work as a charger powered by rechargeable batteries ( :daze: yeah, I know that was confusing as shit).

to everyone else: you know what, I'm done. I try to show you how cool the gaming possibilities are on the iPhone and all you want to do is shit on the iPhone/Macs/Apple and tell you how much your smartphone does it better. This isn't a smartphone comparison thread, its an iPhone game thread. I'm not going to stick around in it just for you to shit on my iPhone because you want to be petty/jealous.

Knuckle Duster

07-03-2009, 02:43 PM

to everyone else: you know what, I'm done. I try to show you how cool the gaming possibilities are on the iPhone and all you want to do is shit on the iPhone/Macs/Apple and tell you how much your smartphone does it better. This isn't a smartphone comparison thread, its an iPhone game thread. I'm not going to stick around in it just for you to shit on my iPhone because you want to be petty/jealous.

See...You brought up the 'Apple' part of the argument, and like most fanboys you tend to lean on jealousy argument as some form of justification towards an otherwise logical discussion.

I pointed out the possibility of a recall considering the battery tech's history, and apples no tolerance for flaky hardware. (They're good for recalling crap.)

You in turn dumped this logic bomb:

#1 its not a toy, its the most useful thing ever made. Thats said, I do already have a solid page of downloaded games, but there is little an iPhone CAN'T do that any other electronic devices can.

#2 I've used mine almost non-stop since I got it Monday and it has never overheated or been "too hot to touch." I think some sensitive skinned little twats need to grow a pair. My N-Gage QD used to get scalding hot after fully charging it, its called a battery. Have you ever used an XBOX 360 before? I think I could warm a warehouse in Siberia with just one of those.

#3 I don't really care if they do recall it, all that means is that I sync it to iTunes for about, oh, 15 seconds, take the new one out of the box, sync all my shit onto the new one, and send the old one back. I could literally receive and throw away an iPhone every day and it would only be minimally inconvenient with the iTunes backup (you can backup EVERYTHING including contacts, bookmarks, etc).

edit: I just looked into that some more, and it looks like 1 isolated incident has been blown out of proportion by retards trying to find a reason to shit on the iPhone. Apple tests the ever loving fuck out of their products before releasing them and based on my long history with Apple I can almost guarantee any overheating problems are the dumbass shithead owner's fault.

Stating 'You don't care', yet also defending the convenience of an otherwise 'already established convenient platform' while insinuating that the RMA possibility is fear mongering by apple haters and really is due to negligent behavior inspired by stupidity.

If you feel insulted that someone should say "Hey, there could be a recall", and feel the need to post ridiculous crap like that, good luck in life. (It doesn't help that you later dropped the 'Mac VS PC' bomb out of nowhere, but I can laugh that one off.)

You're 'fucked', you need to chill out, smoke a bowl, crack a beer, relax or at least undergo some anger management therapy before you keel over with a heart attack before your 40th birthday.

Good luck with your new toy, my friends like theirs, and I'm sure I'll like mine when I pick it up.

Mordan

07-03-2009, 05:10 PM

being a Java J2ME developer, I despise the Iphone.

no Java. mother sucker

sketch

07-03-2009, 06:41 PM

See...You brought up the 'Apple' part of the argument, and like most fanboys you tend to lean on jealousy argument as some form of justification towards an otherwise logical discussion.

I'm not aiming this at you personally, but I disagree. 17-days got shit on pretty quickly, and his only point of the thread was to show how cool his iPhone was. I commented pretty early on that everyone was quick to dump on him and the iPhone for that reason. It's a thread to discuss the fun parts of the iPhone with other people (and there was no "the iPhone is better than cell phone X" crap). The anti-iphone/apple people came out immediately.

I'm not going to argue the point. It's pretty obvious to me that it's fairly typical knee-jerk reaction along the same lines as "PCs suck, Macs rule" or vice versa, or more appropriately "Genesis rules, SNES sucks". It's all the same ridiculous piffle. Unfortunately, it ruined what could have been a good thread, and one useful to people like me who are on the fence about buying an iPhone.

Nuff said.

genocide-superstar

07-03-2009, 08:50 PM

I enjoy TouchGrind quite a bit, and iShoot (mind you I'm only playing on an iTouch...), but I am looking at Rolando or Rolando 2 as they seem to have stellar reviews and look quite fun. Have you played either of these?

Alianger

07-04-2009, 12:52 AM

sketch

07-04-2009, 01:17 AM

I've had an iPhone for about 6 months now, and so far, gaming on it has been a pretty lackluster experience. Out of all the games I've tried, only ~5 have been worth keeping and they were all non-conventional or non-arcade type games like strategy, point & click adventure and rpg.
The only console style (ie best played with a joypad) genre that I find works well enough is racing, because you don't need to cover the screen with your own hands, just sit back and rotate the thing like a steering wheel. Even then, the experience becomes slightly disorienting/head ache-inducing after a while so it isn't really on par with the pure gaming platforms.

Anything that would require a joypad-like control scheme has been annoying at best, because not being able to feel the buttons means you have to keep track on both the action on-screen, and your own fingers stayng in the right positions. It also makes the gameplay seem detached somehow, as it's not very satisfying to land a hit or move your avatar around when you're just touching a flat surface (this just might be me being conservative, but I'm sure many feel the same way).
Also, the buttons take up a lot of the screen space, and many games also make you point with your fingers at stuff which means you'll be blocking your own view of the action, sometimes getting hit in the process...

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/pad2.jpg

I am definitely concerned by the lack of tactile feedback. I am hardwired to play with a d-pad:) I can live without analogue control.

My hope is that there is at least a reasonable selection of iPhone games that work well with the touch interface. RPGs, RTS/Strategy and puzzle seem like natural fits. I'm not big on touch screen gaming in general (on the DS it's either a gimmick or a downright nuisance in most games), so I don't think the iPhone would work for me as my primary gaming machine. But always having a handful of decent games available for when I'm unexpectedly waiting on something/someone would be handy.

Edit: I'm also hoping for good "edutainment" type games, mainly for language. I'd like to brush up on my french and attempt to learn Japanese for the umpteenth time.

j_factor

07-04-2009, 01:52 AM

sketch

07-04-2009, 02:16 AM

Did a quick peruse of game reviews and these games look pretty cool:

Hero of Sparta
Rolando
Texas Hold'Em
UniWar
Field Runners
Sim City
Wolfenstein ($2!)

That's not a bad selection of fun games that look up my alley. Anyone have a favorite game? If it wasn't for the fact that my income is taking a hit, I'd be buying a 32 Gig 3GS right now (literally, I'd open a new window and buy it:))

17daysolderthannes

07-04-2009, 05:10 AM

See...You brought up the 'Apple' part of the argument, and like most fanboys you tend to lean on jealousy argument as some form of justification towards an otherwise logical discussion.

I pointed out the possibility of a recall considering the battery tech's history, and apples no tolerance for flaky hardware. (They're good for recalling crap.)

You in turn dumped this logic bomb:

Stating 'You don't care', yet also defending the convenience of an otherwise 'already established convenient platform' while insinuating that the RMA possibility is fear mongering by apple haters and really is due to negligent behavior inspired by stupidity.

If you feel insulted that someone should say "Hey, there could be a recall", and feel the need to post ridiculous crap like that, good luck in life. (It doesn't help that you later dropped the 'Mac VS PC' bomb out of nowhere, but I can laugh that one off.)

You're 'fucked', you need to chill out, smoke a bowl, crack a beer, relax or at least undergo some anger management therapy before you keel over with a heart attack before your 40th birthday.

Good luck with your new toy, my friends like theirs, and I'm sure I'll like mine when I pick it up.

Are you joking? logical discussion? you called it a toy and worded it as if to call me a fucking retard for buying it. Don't act like you were making an unbiased discussion, you were throwing every negative connotation possible. If you would've said "that looks awesome, but I would be careful, I read about *this* and it may be recalled soon," but you didn't, so don't act like Mr. Saint after the fact. I didn't say I didn't care, I said it sounds like BS since I have personally used the thing continuously for hours and never experienced anything resembling overheating, and again, unlike an XBOX 360 that takes months for a problem to surface, this "problem" is reported by users right after purchase (its only been out a couple weeks) so it would present itself if it were actually true/real. And your final statement you yet again call it a toy. Is your toaster a toy? So because an appliance of mine consolidates many and does it well its a toy because its not a back breaking experience to use? You simply can't just admit any possibility that the iPhone doesn't suck in every way imaginable, making YOU a biased douche.

I enjoy TouchGrind quite a bit, and iShoot (mind you I'm only playing on an iTouch...), but I am looking at Rolando or Rolando 2 as they seem to have stellar reviews and look quite fun. Have you played either of these?

Wow, I hadn't seen that before, but thats awesome as Loco Roco is one of the few really solid PSP exclusives and its basically the same (though the controls are allegedly better on Rolando). I noticed there's a Lite version, you should download that and see what its like.

I am definitely concerned by the lack of tactile feedback. I am hardwired to play with a d-pad:) I can live without analogue control.

My hope is that there is at least a reasonable selection of iPhone games that work well with the touch interface. RPGs, RTS/Strategy and puzzle seem like natural fits. I'm not big on touch screen gaming in general (on the DS it's either a gimmick or a downright nuisance in most games), so I don't think the iPhone would work for me as my primary gaming machine. But always having a handful of decent games available for when I'm unexpectedly waiting on something/someone would be handy.

Edit: I'm also hoping for good "edutainment" type games, mainly for language. I'd like to brush up on my french and attempt to learn Japanese for the umpteenth time.

Its kind of hard to describe what its like to play with controls that only exist as electric impulses and not physical sticks/buttons, but there are some advantages believe it or not. For one, since its not a mechanical switch but rather an electric one, there's no "oops, I didn't push the button hard enough or at the right angle so it didn't register" If you push the screen its going to respond, quite nicely I might add.

At first the controls are a little weird, but once you get used to about where the buttons, etc. are, they work pretty well. Another nice thing is that you don't have to learn/remember button maps, everything on the screen either says what it is or has a picture. For instance, in F.A.S.T. (jet fighter game, with online play no less) you push the little icon of the missile or gun to fire them respectively vs. Afterburner for PSP where I keep forgetting which button is guns, bombs, and missiles. Playing Real Racing with the tilt sensors is just amazing, its better than the Wii by far. Other games circumvent the need for joysticks by just having you slide your finger across the screen like in Terminator Salvation where you aim by sliding your finger across the screen to aim, sort of like a mouse in a typical PC FPS. Having plenty of experience with the DS and owning a modded PSP myself I honestly think the iPhone already has them both beat as it combines the touch of the DS with the graphics of the PSP and the price of a music download to be an unbeatable combination. Even better, the phone is always with you, you don't have to consciously decide to bring your iPhone with you like you do a PSP or DS. Still, its not quite like having buttons or joysticks, but since when is a portable system a primary gaming system anyway? For what it is, it is downright amazing.

Knuckle Duster

07-04-2009, 01:13 PM

Are you joking? logical discussion? you called it a toy and worded it as if to call me a fucking retard for buying it.
Judging your response to the word 'Toy', It's not far fetched to actually call you retarded. God forbid a "cutting edge appliance" that provides you enjoyment be called that. Ohh NO! IT'S DEROGATORY! WAH!

Don't act like you were making an unbiased discussion, you were throwing every negative connotation possible. Where I said this?:

Haha, I hold no grudges against the iPhone, I was going to buy one next week.

I just seen it as an opportunity to tell people about a possible recall AND a chance to link that awesome album cover photo of King Diamond in a funny way.

and I'm sure I'll like mine when I pick it up.

Because really, I must REALLY FUCKING HATE APPLE to "Want to buy an iPhone".

If you would've said "that looks awesome, but I would be careful, I read about *this* and it may be recalled soon," but you didn't, so don't act like Mr. Saint after the fact.
Well, it's obvious that King Diamond picture has destroyed you emotionally. God forbid I actually acknowledge it's absurdity and spell out it's humor for you.

I didn't say I didn't care, I said it sounds like BS since I have personally used the thing continuously for hours and never experienced anything resembling overheating, and again, unlike an XBOX 360 that takes months for a problem to surface, this "problem" is reported by users right after purchase (its only been out a couple weeks) so it would present itself if it were actually true/real.

You said you didn't care if it was recalled, proceeded to state it's convenience of swapping, and then called anybody who's ever had issues with it as "Retards" who don't know anything, even though Apple have been known to be prone to the same RMA issues as other manufacturers.

And your final statement you yet again call it a toy. Is your toaster a toy? So because an appliance of mine consolidates many and does it well its a toy because its not a back breaking experience to use?

It's a toy because its shiny, new, and provides you enjoyment.
God forbid you view video game systems as toy's as well, as you've aggressively stated, this is an 'iPhone gaming topic' as well, no? You've clearly went off the deep end on this one.

You simply can't just admit any possibility that the iPhone doesn't suck in every way imaginable, making YOU a biased douche.

Aside from the multitude of awesome features of which I said nothing 'bad' about, and the point that I intend to purchase one myself, as many of my friends have them already. You feel I'm a biased douche?

Therapy.

Look it up.

Maybe you'll get the opportunity to sit around, running your mouth off about your "former boss" to total strangers in the lobby, and show them these forums on your 'bitchin' new iphone' :lol:

Let's not forget:

Suffice it to say you're another one of those people that don't understand why a Mac is better than a PC even though a roughly equivalent PC is cheaper.

Me, Biased?
Fuck off, fanboy.

Dirt Ball Gamer

07-04-2009, 05:17 PM

I'm getting rid of my cell and going back to using payphones. Fuck that noise Jack, if people wanna reach me I'll be outside the 7-11 at 5pm eating a honeybun.

Metal_Sonic

07-04-2009, 09:59 PM

I'm getting rid of my cell and going back to using payphones. Fuck that noise Jack, if people wanna reach me I'll be outside the 7-11 at 5pm eating dick.

There ya go.

Knuckle Duster

07-04-2009, 10:15 PM

I'm getting rid of my cell and going back to using payphones. Fuck that noise Jack, if people wanna reach me I'll be outside the 7-11 at 5pm eating dick.

There ya go.
http://www.britishdelights.com/images/d7a.jpg

17daysolderthannes

07-04-2009, 11:18 PM

I'm getting rid of my cell and going back to using payphones. Fuck that noise Jack, if people wanna reach me I'll be outside the 7-11 at 5pm eating a honeybun.

lol, wut

Judging your response to the word 'Toy', It's not far fetched to actually call you retarded. God forbid a "cutting edge appliance" that provides you enjoyment be called that. Ohh NO! IT'S DEROGATORY! WAH!
Where I said this?:

Because really, I must REALLY FUCKING HATE APPLE to "Want to buy an iPhone".

Well, it's obvious that King Diamond picture has destroyed you emotionally. God forbid I actually acknowledge it's absurdity and spell out it's humor for you.

You said you didn't care if it was recalled, proceeded to state it's convenience of swapping, and then called anybody who's ever had issues with it as "Retards" who don't know anything, even though Apple have been known to be prone to the same RMA issues as other manufacturers.

It's a toy because its shiny, new, and provides you enjoyment.
God forbid you view video game systems as toy's as well, as you've aggressively stated, this is an 'iPhone gaming topic' as well, no? You've clearly went off the deep end on this one.

Aside from the multitude of awesome features of which I said nothing 'bad' about, and the point that I intend to purchase one myself, as many of my friends have them already. You feel I'm a biased douche?

Therapy.

Look it up.

Maybe you'll get the opportunity to sit around, running your mouth off about your "former boss" to total strangers in the lobby, and show them these forums on your 'bitchin' new iphone' :lol:

Let's not forget:

Me, Biased?
Fuck off, fanboy.

Apparently me and you have a different impression of the word "toy." You must be one of those people that call a car that has more sport appeal than a stock honda civic a "toy" or a clock that also has a radio function a "toy," but I personally identify it as a synonym for "immature" or to be more specific like saying "fuck your toys you 5 year old." I don't like video game systems being called toys either. GI JOEs are toys, no grown man should play with GI JOEs unless he's entertaining a 5 year old or doing it ironically.

The part I love is that all you posted was the potential for a recall, then the next post say you want to buy one. That's like saying "god, XBOX 360 is such a fucking epic fail RROD piece of shit, I'm going to buy an elite next week!" Either you like it or you don't, if you liked it, you would be super bummed that there are early production defects as it will be a hassle, not saying "lol, fail, I'm gonna go buy one now!"

I said the people having "overheating" are retards becase:

A. I know from experience most iPhone owners are fucknuts that just bought them to be a cool and don't know WTF they're doing

B. They are too new to have any significant changes or significantly varying production runs, meaning my iphone should be nearly identical to all of the 3GS iphones out there, thus making my experience relevant. Yes, it gets warmer than an ice cube when using it, but its far from hot. My old Dell laptop gets at least twice as hot on the palm rests as the iphone gets after 4 hours of graphically intense games. Bringing up a recall when I'm talking about games is just taking an opportunity to shit on the thread. Again, it would've been fine if you had something on topic to say and just threw it in, but the way you presented it was just shitting on the thread.

This whole thing isn't even about the iPhone, its about you (as well as other people around here) not staying remotely on topic and just jumping in and shitting all over whatever the thread may be about for no good reason. I have never been to an internet forum anywhere where no matter how polite I was there was some asshole jumping my ass or patronizing me and not even answering the question. Then, 6 pages of bullshit later, it turns out no one knows. If you don't know, don't fucking shit on the thread starter, period. I'm all for discussion and occasionally humor can work its way in, but it gets out of hand not just here but everywhere on the internet. I have NEVER been with any group of people in real life that were so quick to shit all over people. You are especially bad with this, I see you do it to many other members and many other threads, and worst of all, you play the whole "oh no, I wasn't being a dick" when they finally get fed up. Quit it.

Oh, and about my former boss (again, you just working in another way to be a prick), I'm pretty sure he's just about bankrupt now whereas my current boss is constantly going "holy fuck, that's some good work!" and takes me to lunch (and pays for it) almost every day. So, lets do some math, who was really the fucknut at my last job: the one that was praised at every other job he had and repaired 90% of what came in on a shoestring budget or the one with like 10 failed business and on the verge of bankruptcy and only has a business to begin with because his parents had a couple bucks they were willing to piss away?

Knuckle Duster

07-05-2009, 12:49 AM

Whats this? A Pot & Kettle Scenario.
All rooted on a defensive assumption of pretense from a relevant, 'then, current' link.

You bitch and moan about bad behavior on the forums, yet prove to be of the most aggressive and abrasive around.

Not that you 'asked', but I am bummed out about a possible recall, but I don't sympathize openly with retards who go ape-shit over a joke that doesn't seem 'proper', nor ones who complain about bullshit when sourcing it themselves as open insinuations and insults meant to perpetuate an argument where one shouldn't exist in the first place.

You see, I just posted a link, then a response explaining that link as a joke. No further input should have been necessary on my part. Then you had to go and rabble,assume,insinuate,insult, and argue with everybody over a non-issue, making yourself look ridiculous to most in the process.

Blame Zebbe, he thinks the iPhone's shit.
Or even Metal Sonic, for having the gall to question your ridiculous defense of a manufacturing flaw, 'unproven or not'.

About your boss: Yeah, that was me trying to be a prick. Boohoo, you reap what you sow. Asshole.

Puffy2k316

07-05-2009, 01:29 AM

I knew this thread was going to be ugly as soon as I saw the title. 17 will get attached to something and argue it to his grave and never concede any points, so why try arguing with him?

On topic, the iPhone/iPod touch is pretty cool, I'd rather it had buttons though. I also want one that's at least 60 gigs at a modest price (so in other words I won't be getting one for awhile).

sketch

07-05-2009, 02:44 AM

Puffy2k316

07-05-2009, 02:51 AM

Is there any reason why the 32 GB Ipod touch is 400 and the 32 GB Iphone is 300? Because You end up paying that money with the plan?

sketch

07-05-2009, 11:14 AM

Is there any reason why the 32 GB Ipod touch is 400 and the 32 GB Iphone is 300? Because You end up paying that money with the plan?

Yes, the cost of the phone is buried in the service plan (like most high end cell phones).

havok666

07-05-2009, 11:51 AM

Honestly, I haven't read a single sentence 17days wrote but I know he's wrong.

Fuck off, go away.

Knuckle Duster

07-05-2009, 12:04 PM

Honestly, I haven't read a single sentence 17days wrote but I know he's wrong.

Fuck off, go away.

It's his thread. :roll: How can you not and justify that conclusion?

Just forget about it and move on unless the iPhone's a legit topic of importance to you. That's what I'm doing, and assuming his inevitable "Last Word" isn't a flaming wall of dog shit for the betterment of nobody, I expect to hear cool things about the iPhone.

nissling

07-05-2009, 12:34 PM

I'm not impressed at all about Iphone since I'm not even using my phone. I think that in one year, I have used it about two or three times. I have no idea where I even have my phone, which model it is or if it has a camera or not. So if I'm not even using my phone, why would I buy an Iphone?

InternalPrimate

07-05-2009, 01:32 PM

Can't we all just agree that the iPhone is a waste of money, but the iPod Touch may not be?

sketch

07-05-2009, 02:39 PM

Can't we all just agree that the iPhone is a waste of money, but the iPod Touch may not be?

Of course not. Plenty of people on this thread have already said they like the iPhone. I know people who get a lot of enjoyment out of it. If it's not for you, it's not for you. But we are all individuals and there are plenty of individuals who find the iPhone useful and worth the money.

I'm not sure why there is a need to get people to say that is sucks. It's like the world will end if you can't get everyone to agree with you. It's very childish.

InternalPrimate

07-05-2009, 02:45 PM

sketch

07-05-2009, 02:59 PM

Knuckle Duster

07-05-2009, 03:53 PM

Ah (red on face).

I think the iPod Touch/iPhone is basically a very nice PDA. The up side of the iPhone is connectivity, but the downside is the commitment to a long term contract.

Honestly, I hate cell phones because of their cost structure. I didn't have one until about 5 years ago, and I only broke down then because I started a family. If I didn't have kids, I wouldn't have a cell phone (or I'd probably have a pay-as-you-go cell phone).

The only reason I don't have the iPhone is that damn contract:) Even if they shaved $10 a month, that would tempt me a whole lot more.

Just be thankful you're not in Canada, where everything regarding telecommunications is unjustifiably more expensive, regardless of the dollar's trade value when compared to most developed countries.

Mordan

07-05-2009, 06:12 PM

iphone is for people looking for an item that says "look at me" :)

17daysolderthannes

07-05-2009, 06:20 PM

I was joking...

The whole point is that even if you think the iPhone is a waste of money (trying to justify the steep monthly contract by saying "well you're just paying off the REAL price" is just ridiculous), the iPod Touch is there to eliminate the problem. So from a hardware point-of-view, it's accessible to anyone.

There's just 2 problems with the iPod Touch:

#1 you don't get 3G, so you can only use online features when in the presence of Wi-Fi (which isn't terrible, but its not ideal)

#2 its not your phone. The whole point of the iphone is that you keep your phone with you, so everything else the iphone does is with you at all times as well.

I have a modded PSP, you know how many times I've brought it with me outside of the house? like twice. You know why? because my pockets are already occupied with my wallet, phone, and keys (keys go in the wallet pocket of course) and its really too big for a pocket anyway. So unless I know I'm going to be in a car/plane for several hours, its not worth it. With a phone, you are always going to have it with you, not because you need to text the friend you saw 10 minutes ago and will see again in another hour, but because you should always have it around for emergencies. When its always around, its always available. I've literally had like 2 phone calls since I got my iphone about a week ago, but I've used it almost nonstop.

Here, I'll give you an example. In order to get a good parking spot downtown, I have to go out early (by early I mean like 11~11:30 PM, lol), but its not really worth going to any bars because my friends don't really show up until about 12. So, now I can watch youtube, check out shit on the internet, play some badass games, or do whatever. I would NEVER consider bringing a PSP to do that for such a short period of time, but since the iPhone is already in my pocket, its ready to go.

So for me, the whole "I never use my phone" (more directed at Nissling) argument doesn't make sense if you look at it from a practical standpoint. The iPhone is the synthesis of everything you could ever want in your pocket in one device, making it the most convenient thing on the planet.

Metal_Sonic

07-05-2009, 07:57 PM

Knuckle Duster

07-05-2009, 09:49 PM

sketch

07-06-2009, 12:26 AM

I'm loving the iPhone, but not the actual cost of getting one here in Canada.

No unlimited data plan=2GB cap then 3cents per mb overage. Roughly $100 a month with the upfront $199/299 16/32gb model on a 3 year contract.

Holy crap. You're right; I am lucky I don't live in Canada:) The base plan here is $70, which has limited minutes (450 I think) but unlimited data. Granted, on the iPhone, you likely won't go over 2GB, but I wouldn't want to have to keep track.

Honestly, cell phones in general are getting ridiculously expensive (I realize the iPhone is probably on the high end with some of the other smart phones).

kool kitty89

07-06-2009, 03:07 AM

A little off topic, but these are hillarious:

http://www.mac-essentials.de/bilder2007/iphone-shuffle.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwnsQpcNvpE
QwnsQpcNvpE

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/472735 (a related flash toon)

Metal_Sonic

07-06-2009, 03:40 PM

Haha, you could make a game out of at. "Fuck, I really hate this asshole, hope I don't get him *game show noise" NO WHAMMY NO WHAMMY NO WHAMMY NO WHAMMY FUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK! hey Steve......." Damn that is a fucking god awful idea. I mean the Shuffle.

17daysolderthannes

07-06-2009, 04:10 PM

Why do you care what nissling says, its just an opinion and I think its funny you wrote a wall of text, its get funnier when your argument is all about YOU and why YOU need a phone as it somehows invalidates nissling "argument" about why buying an iPhone is a waste of money for HIM. If you keep answering all the criticisms about the iPhone, your thread is only going deeper into the shitpile.

how was it an opinion? it was a statement about his phone usage. If you are of driving age (he is not), you always bring a phone with you in case your car breaks down so your not walking 5 miles down the highway to find a hard line phone. You never know when you need to make an emergency call or someone needs to make an emergency call to you. If you keep your phone in a drawer and take it out 2 days a month, the iPhone doesn't make sense for you. When your at an age that you need to be reachable, a phone with you at all times isn't an option.

And I can answer all the criticisms I want because most are stupid and illogical. Some I agree with: it is more expensive than it should be for a plan, the battery life can be too short if you're doing heavy e-mail/internet/etc. and don't stay in one place long enough to charge it (though you can buy rechargeable battery boosters that act like a battery powered charger), but aside from that, I really can't think of much to complain about.

If you could get an iPhone with a normal plan and only be able to use Wi-Fi internet, there would be no reason not to get one for anyone IMO. I'm making an assumption here, but have you even used one? how can you comment on something you haven't used?

And lastly, I can't remember the last time you gave useful input to ANY thread. Trolling on occasion is OK, but when its ALL you do, its just unnecessary. If you just want to shit on everything, take it to youtube like everyone else.

I'm loving the iPhone, but not the actual cost of getting one here in Canada.

No unlimited data plan=2GB cap then 3cents per mb overage. Roughly $100 a month with the upfront $199/299 16/32gb model on a 3 year contract.

Holy crap. You're right; I am lucky I don't live in Canada:) The base plan here is $70, which has limited minutes (450 I think) but unlimited data. Granted, on the iPhone, you likely won't go over 2GB, but I wouldn't want to have to keep track.

Honestly, cell phones in general are getting ridiculously expensive (I realize the iPhone is probably on the high end with some of the other smart phones).

If it helps you feel any better, I just checked and I only used less than 6 MB sending and receiving data over 3G. Everything else was done over Wi-Fi (Wi-Fi at work, Wi-Fi at home, Wi-Fi at the bar, Wi-Fi just about everywhere). I really wish the 3G internet was an option because you never really use it anywhere but inside buildings, most of which have Wi-Fi.

I should also mention that while you are limited to 450 hardline minutes, you have unlimited mobile to mobile and like 5000 night and weekend minutes, so as long as you don't call grandma on a hardline at 2 in the afternoon every day, you will never run out of minutes.

I know everyone keeps wanting to label me a fanboy, but I'm hard to please and the iPhone is mindblowingly good in every respect. I just recommend getting a silicon slip case to keep your screen from getting cracked as it is made of glass and a hard enough impact will crack it (though most will still work afterwards :shock:)

j_factor

07-06-2009, 04:16 PM

Can't we all just agree that the iPhone is a waste of money, but the iPod Touch may not be?

My problem with the iPod Touch is that it doesn't come in large enough capacities to take the place of my mp3 player. My current mp3 player is 160GB and it's almost full, just with music (it can play videos and do some other things too, but these features have gone to waste). My #1 reason for getting an mp3 player at all was to have all of my music on it at once; if I couldn't do that, I'd stick to CDs. Plus, I really don't like iTunes. My stepdad got an iPod and he had me help him with it, and I've found that iTunes is just really cumbersome and unintuitive. With my mp3 player you don't have to use a particular program, you just open it in a window like a USB drive and copy files to it.

I'm also really not a fan of digital distribution, so downloading games is not a selling point for me.

17daysolderthannes

07-06-2009, 04:49 PM

My problem with the iPod Touch is that it doesn't come in large enough capacities to take the place of my mp3 player. My current mp3 player is 160GB and it's almost full, just with music (it can play videos and do some other things too, but these features have gone to waste). My #1 reason for getting an mp3 player at all was to have all of my music on it at once; if I couldn't do that, I'd stick to CDs. Plus, I really don't like iTunes. My stepdad got an iPod and he had me help him with it, and I've found that iTunes is just really cumbersome and unintuitive. With my mp3 player you don't have to use a particular program, you just open it in a window like a USB drive and copy files to it.

I'm also really not a fan of digital distribution, so downloading games is not a selling point for me.

Do you REALLY listen to ALL 160GB? REALLY? I hear this argument alot, but I find its people that just download album after album of random shit they never listen to. I have about 6 GB of music because its all hand selected track by track of stuff I want to listen to, not everything on the face of the earth.

I don't see how iTunes is cumbersome, you put your music in it, sync to the iPod/iPhone, done. I used to be a little offput by the mandatory nature of iTunes for an MP3 player because I thought "what if iTunes disappears?", but it won't, not until long after you've thrown that MP3 player in the closet for a higher capacity one or one that's smaller/has more features/etc. iTunes lets you easily rename songs properly and have them display correctly on the MP3 player screen.

With my Coby MP3 player (works like a flash drive) everything was listed as what it was tagged with originally, sometimes having wrong artists or incorrect titles (mispellings, etc., I download all of my music through Limewire), so not being able to use the corrected iTunes tags made it almost unusable for anything but shuffle play (which would be pointless with 160 GB of music).

Sooner or later you'll want to sync your iPhone to backup apps, contacts, etc., so when you do that, put what music you think you'll want to listen to on there. You can make a list of "must haves" and then make a few other playlists of stuff you are feeling at the moment. My 6 GB of music comes out to several DAYS of playback, so you can't tell me you can't just choose a couple albums when you sync every day. I know there would be a bum out element if you suddenly remembered a song you wanted to listen to and it wasn't on there, but youtube has almost every song ever made so you could just stream it from there to get your fix.

Overall, point taken, but unless you keep your 160 GB MP3 player with you at all times, its still an improvement. I imagine your 160 GB is for mostly at home use anyway, so you would still use it for that and have a small sample of songs your really like for use on the iPhone. Also, I should mention the reason the iPhone memory is so small is because its flash based rather than a mini hard drive like large capacity MP3 players, which is a good thing because it can't be easily damaged by shock. I've had many friends ruin their MP3 players by dropping them and having the hard drive get damaged.

As for digital distribution, I'm sure you remember my tirades about the Wii VC and WiiWare. The difference here is price. iPhone games are so cheap, you basically choose between a single serving size bag of chips or another awesome game. I have 2 full pages of PSP/DS quality games (16 paid full versions) and I've spent like $50, and they're all awesome. They are all easily re-downloadable from the Apple server should you delete them from your computer and phone and AFAIK no game/app has been removed unless they violated Apple's terms (one app was removed because it featured pictures of naked women and Apple has a no nude policy, and its possible the purchasers were refunded). If you lose/break your iPhone, simply sync your replacement and download them all back free. You buy them, they're yours, they don't give you the run around like Nintendo does with the Wii. They even prominently display your purchasing history on your iTunes so you could print out every invoice for archival should any discrepancy arise (again, unlike Nintendo). The only downside is that 10 years from now when they aren't compatible anymore you will probably lose them, but by then you've more than worn out the $3 purchase price. Then again, they may keep modifying them to be compatible, who knows. As it is, they constantly update them to fix small bugs or to accomodate user suggestions. If these games were $30 like a PSP game, I wouldn't buy them either, but at $10 for the top tier games that are BETTER than PSP games and with most at $5 or less with tons at $0.99, you just can't lose. I paid $1.99 for F.A.S.T. which is an amazing 3D flight combat simulator that even has online play through 3G or Wi-Fi. Tell me ANY game for ANY system that offers that for $1.99 new. Hell, a bar tab for most people is more than I've spent on iPhone games and I have just about every genre covered with incredible software.

Knuckle Duster

07-06-2009, 05:03 PM

I should also mention that while you are limited to 450 hardline minutes, you have unlimited mobile to mobile and like 5000 night and weekend minutes, so as long as you don't call grandma on a hardline at 2 in the afternoon every day, you will never run out of minutes.

It's a double sided coin compared to Canada's plans. It feels like they give with one hand, yet take with the other either way.

Only offered by 1 provider & it's former competition (now subsidiary) Rogers & Fido

$75. You can get 400 minutes, unlimited evenings and weekends, 100 text (15cents each afterward), visual voicemail included, 2GB data limit (50cents per mb up to 60mb, then drops to 3cents per mb) with a 2 month grace period on the data cap, so you can find out how much you use.

They offer a $20 value plan to bump it up to unlimited texting,call display, call forwarding, earlier 'evenings' calls.

So thats 95 bucks for what you'd want, without unlimited data (with the flashy advertising on 'tethering' features, gross) And I'm not even getting into "network charges" and "taxes" which even rape the average Canadian on a land-line connection.

All I want is unlimited data, I don't care if it bumps it over $100.

As far as gaming is concerned, a start up group from PEI called bight games just made an interesting 99cent title. Aside from the carnival music which would drive me insane. I see the game as something well polished, that I'd get addicted to.

"Big Top 10"
http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/29/bight-games-big-top-10-quick-number-fun/

Check it out.

Knuckle Duster

07-06-2009, 05:44 PM

Zenonia

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Got a 9.0 from IGN. Interesting indeed.

j_factor

07-06-2009, 06:28 PM

Do you REALLY listen to ALL 160GB? REALLY? I hear this argument alot, but I find its people that just download album after album of random shit they never listen to. I have about 6 GB of music because its all hand selected track by track of stuff I want to listen to, not everything on the face of the earth.

They're not downloaded albums, they're ripped from CDs I legitimately purchased. I do have a small amount of downloaded music but it's less than 5%. I wouldn't say I listen to every single track, but I'd prefer to just leave the full albums on there, rather than go through every album and pick them apart track by track. But I do listen to the vast majority of it.

I don't see how iTunes is cumbersome, you put your music in it, sync to the iPod/iPhone, done. I used to be a little offput by the mandatory nature of iTunes for an MP3 player because I thought "what if iTunes disappears?", but it won't, not until long after you've thrown that MP3 player in the closet for a higher capacity one or one that's smaller/has more features/etc. iTunes lets you easily rename songs properly and have them display correctly on the MP3 player screen.

iTunes confuses me. There, I said it. Seriously, it took me quite a while to figure out how to do anything with iTunes. I still can't figure out why (on my stepdad's iTunes/iPod) there's a playlist with no songs in it that I can't seem to delete.

And anyway, I see no reason to have to use a particular program at all. Your operating system should be sufficient for file transfers.

With my Coby MP3 player (works like a flash drive) everything was listed as what it was tagged with originally, sometimes having wrong artists or incorrect titles (mispellings, etc., I download all of my music through Limewire), so not being able to use the corrected iTunes tags made it almost unusable for anything but shuffle play (which would be pointless with 160 GB of music).

So when you change the information in iTunes, it doesn't change the ID3 tag in a way that everything can read the change? That doesn't sound like a positive thing for iTunes. When I change a tag, it should work with everything that reads an mp3. When I change a tag in Winamp, it displays properly on everything else.

And anyway, that's not an issue for me, since I have the correct information pulled from freedb when I put the CD in. If anything's incorrect (which is rare), I change it before ripping. And if anything somehow turns out to have a bad tag after I've ripped it, I can just change it with Winamp.

Interestingly enough, I do play it on random a lot.

Sooner or later you'll want to sync your iPhone to backup apps, contacts, etc., so when you do that, put what music you think you'll want to listen to on there. You can make a list of "must haves" and then make a few other playlists of stuff you are feeling at the moment. My 6 GB of music comes out to several DAYS of playback, so you can't tell me you can't just choose a couple albums when you sync every day. I know there would be a bum out element if you suddenly remembered a song you wanted to listen to and it wasn't on there, but youtube has almost every song ever made so you could just stream it from there to get your fix.

I don't want to sync every day. I don't want to "sync" at all. I don't even want to connect my mp3 player to the computer unless I'm adding a new album to it. I don't want to have to be constantly messing with it.

I'd bet at least half of my music is not on Youtube. Youtube mostly has music videos / hit singles and live performances (usually the live recordings are shit); only occasionally does someone upload album tracks, and usually only for very popular artists/albums. This is not to mention the fact that Youtube has fairly poor audio quality.

17daysolderthannes

07-06-2009, 07:24 PM

They're not downloaded albums, they're ripped from CDs I legitimately purchased. I do have a small amount of downloaded music but it's less than 5%. I wouldn't say I listen to every single track, but I'd prefer to just leave the full albums on there, rather than go through every album and pick them apart track by track. But I do listen to the vast majority of it.

iTunes confuses me. There, I said it. Seriously, it took me quite a while to figure out how to do anything with iTunes. I still can't figure out why (on my stepdad's iTunes/iPod) there's a playlist with no songs in it that I can't seem to delete.

And anyway, I see no reason to have to use a particular program at all. Your operating system should be sufficient for file transfers.

So when you change the information in iTunes, it doesn't change the ID3 tag in a way that everything can read the change? That doesn't sound like a positive thing for iTunes. When I change a tag, it should work with everything that reads an mp3. When I change a tag in Winamp, it displays properly on everything else.

And anyway, that's not an issue for me, since I have the correct information pulled from freedb when I put the CD in. If anything's incorrect (which is rare), I change it before ripping. And if anything somehow turns out to have a bad tag after I've ripped it, I can just change it with Winamp.

Interestingly enough, I do play it on random a lot.

I don't want to sync every day. I don't want to "sync" at all. I don't even want to connect my mp3 player to the computer unless I'm adding a new album to it. I don't want to have to be constantly messing with it.

I'd bet at least half of my music is not on Youtube. Youtube mostly has music videos / hit singles and live performances (usually the live recordings are shit); only occasionally does someone upload album tracks, and usually only for very popular artists/albums. This is not to mention the fact that Youtube has fairly poor audio quality.

I think you're expecting a little too much from just 1 feature of the iPhone. The iPhone is not the best at anything it does, its meant to do things good enough for 99% of the time. 99% of the time when I take a picture, it doesn't need to be a 10 megapixel masterpiece. 99% of the time when I want to listen to music, I don't need every song I've ever heard. 99% of the time, I don't need a movie to be 1080p (especially since I have a CRT TV), 99% of the time I can access whatever website I need to access with the iPhone. You will never see an all-in-one device that does it better than a dedicated device, ever, because the nature of each device prevents it from being small enough and cheap enough to be feasible. Its pretty much a given that better picture quality demands larger lenses, so that alone keeps a phone from ever achieving top tier image quality.

As for iTunes, I used to be in the same boat as you. At first I didn't understand it at all and hated using it, then I finally spent some time and figured it out and it did what I wanted it to do. Compared to almost any other mandatory MP3 player software, iTunes is by far the best. I also felt the same way about the MP3 player being tied to a program rather than just being recognized like any other drive, but being tied to iTunes makes it easier to organize and adding music just takes plugging it in and hitting "sync." I'm not sure why it doesn't change ID3 tags, it may be that there is a setting I overlooked that is keeping it from changing them, I'll have to look into that. I imagine you're also using the PC version of iTunes, and though I haven't used it, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't as clean all around as the native mac version since obviously Apple developing for their own computer is going to turn out best. Kinda goes the same for Microsoft Office which is unnecessarily slow, buggy, and awkward on the Mac.

I say for the iPhone what I used to say about the N-Gage: its a phone. You can only compare it to other phones. You can't compare an N-Gage to a PSP because a PSP can't make phone calls (unless you count that Skype nonsense). The iPod Touch isn't nearly as appealing to me as I think a small computer would be a better decision (one of those mini laptops or even an eeePC). However, as a phone, the iPhone has to be able to fit in your pocket, so its size and subsequent limitations are necessary.

I don't know what kind of music you listen to, but I can often find stuff on youtube that I can't find on Limewire. You're actually more likely to find obscure bands on youtube because the record companies are less likely to berate youtube and make them take it down. You can also put that fmt18 or whatever extension for high quality sound (dont remember the exact letters), though typing that manually every time could get old.

I guess the gist of what I'm saying here is the iPhone is the best practical device out there. It fits in your pocket and does almost everything very well. If you NEED 160GB to store your music, you'll never be satisfied with a phone-based MP3 player, that's why they still make the iPod Classic with the hard drive. Personally, music is a distant priority compared to games, if I couldn't get music free, I would do without, same with most movies, its only games I am willing to pay money for. This might change once I have a real full time job and make serious cash, but for now, its bootleg or do without. One thing I challenge someone to do is point out a better phone-based gaming device because I would love to see it.

genocide-superstar

07-06-2009, 08:21 PM

I don't see what everyone's problem with iTunes is... it's called the right-click lol

j_factor

07-07-2009, 12:10 AM

I think you're expecting a little too much from just 1 feature of the iPhone. The iPhone is not the best at anything it does, its meant to do things good enough for 99% of the time. 99% of the time when I take a picture, it doesn't need to be a 10 megapixel masterpiece. 99% of the time when I want to listen to music, I don't need every song I've ever heard. 99% of the time, I don't need a movie to be 1080p (especially since I have a CRT TV), 99% of the time I can access whatever website I need to access with the iPhone. You will never see an all-in-one device that does it better than a dedicated device, ever, because the nature of each device prevents it from being small enough and cheap enough to be feasible. Its pretty much a given that better picture quality demands larger lenses, so that alone keeps a phone from ever achieving top tier image quality.

But I don't see any reason they can't offer larger capacities than they currently have, or have some way of upgrading the memory. They don't even support microSD, what's up with that? I'm sure it works okay as a music player, my point is it wouldn't exactly replace the one I have, so it's not that much of a feature for me. I'm sure it's a perfectly fine phone, camera, and internet device, but so is the phone I already have. Actually my phone can play mp3's perfectly well too, but I never use that feature.

I guess it's just that you and I are coming from different places. You just upgraded to an iPhone from your old N-Gage. I had an N-Gage too, and upgraded over a year ago. My phone may not do everything that an iPhone does, but it does many of them. Getting an iPhone literally costs hundreds of dollars ($200-300 plus an extra $15/month for two years which is $360), and I don't know that a touch screen, flash drive, and better mobile game selection is worth that much money. I'm not rich. $560 to $660 is a huge chunk of change to me. I don't think I've ever bought any device that cost that much, other than my computer.