It had to happen... [Archive]

Bramsworth

07-26-2009, 07:14 PM

I'll let this speak for itself:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sonic-ERASER-NEW-Prototype-rarest-collectors_W0QQitemZ160351331249QQcmdZViewItemQQpt ZUK_PC_Video_Games_Video_GamesJS?hash=item2555af23 b1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A2136|293%3A1| 294%3A50

I'd advise others to do the same and call out this moron.

QuickSciFi

07-26-2009, 07:32 PM

Is this real?

chessage

07-26-2009, 07:34 PM

Is this real?

It's homemade like the North American version of Alien Soldier.

Karakasa-Obake

07-26-2009, 07:35 PM

Just look at the box art. It's hideous. This seller needs a slap in his face.

QuickSciFi

07-26-2009, 07:36 PM

It's homemade like the North American version of Alien Soldier.

That's what I figured. Could it be real, though?

P.S.> I wonder if it even has a cartridge inside...

BrYaN

07-26-2009, 07:38 PM

Anyway I doubt a prototype will come with full art and a box.

Bramsworth

07-26-2009, 07:39 PM

Just look at the box art. It's hideous. This seller needs a slap in his face.

lol. Maybe you don't know the history behind it but this repro was done by a member of these boards, playgen. Unfortunately his website is down and no archived versions show any pictures, so I can't find any evidence specifically showing that the same thing in the auction is his repro, but I do know it myself without needing proof, as many others do also I'm sure :)

Can't see the pictures but here's the last available archive of his site, with Sonic Eraser towards the bottom:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080205182450/http://www.playgeneration.com/

chessage

07-26-2009, 07:41 PM

That's what I figured. Could it be real, though

No, it was only released on the Meganet modem.

P.S.> I wonder if it even has a cartridge inside...

Yes, the seller has pics of the cart. He used the North American cartridge label layout instead of PAL, very foolish of them...

QuickSciFi

07-26-2009, 07:42 PM

lol. Maybe you don't know the history behind it but this repro was done by a member of these boards, playgen. Unfortunately his website is down and no archived versions show any pictures, so I can't find any evidence specifically showing that the same thing in the auction is his repro, but I do know it myself without needing proof, as many others do also I'm sure :)

Well, if the seller is unaware of this, he may very well have been fooled in the first place. Perhaps he truly believes it's the real deal.

Karakasa-Obake

07-26-2009, 07:43 PM

lol. Maybe you don't know the history behind it but this repro was done by a member of these boards, playgen. Unfortunately his website is down and no archived versions show any pictures, so I can't find any evidence specifically showing that the same thing in the auction is his repro, but I do know it myself without needing proof, as many others do also I'm sure :)

Can't see the pictures but here's the last available archive of his site, with Sonic Eraser towards the bottom:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080205182450/http://www.playgeneration.com/

Oh.....That's pretty cool. But the box art still isn't.

Bramsworth

07-26-2009, 07:44 PM

Oh man...I messaged him. Watch him contradict himself in an instant:

"Hi,

i have to disappoint you. I don´t know nothing about playgen. Is it a group that makes cracks for pc games? My sister worked in CSK Group as manager and a year ago she gave me this one.
So before you send such messages about fraud please ask
have a nice day
m"

Gee, I thought he got it from a sega developer??? :/

QuickSciFi

07-26-2009, 07:46 PM

No, it was only released on the Meganet modem.

That's my understanding thus far.

Yes, the seller has pics of the cart. He used the North American cartridge label layout instead of PAL, very foolish of them...

I just noticed this. But what do you mean by the NA layout? All my original European Mega Drive carts look like that, too.

jesus.arnold

07-26-2009, 07:47 PM

chessage

07-26-2009, 07:51 PM

I just noticed this. But what do you mean by the NA layout? All my original European Mega Drive carts look like that, too.

Any pictures of what you mean?

Bramsworth

07-26-2009, 07:52 PM

Whoa, thank jesus!... :P

Promptly sent. I also showed him this topic. Lets see him explain himself and his story about his sister now...

BrYaN

07-26-2009, 07:59 PM

http://www.nexgam.de/forum/print.php?threadid=56830&page=9&sid=25739678fada3858660d02593f40b092

That link says everything!

chessage

07-26-2009, 08:02 PM

That link says everything!

... In German.

QuickSciFi

07-26-2009, 08:24 PM

Any pictures of what you mean?

Ok, this took me a while to bring up. Fresh pictures upon your request of my European Dungeons & Dragons Mega Drive game (CIB).

P.S.> It plays perfectly on any North American genesis console. (AND IT IS THE REAL THING).

http://quickscifi.webs.com//photos/no/DSCF8207.JPG

http://quickscifi.webs.com//photos/no/DSCF8208.JPG

NeoVamp

07-26-2009, 08:36 PM

I´m selling my whole pc games and sega mega drive (Pal) collection.
I have all Pal version for Sega ever released - like Fatal Fury 2, Punisher,
Superman - Death and Return of, Daze, or the prototype of SONIC ERASER!!!
All in new or like new/Mint condition. So please check out my other items!

I didn't know there was a Pal version of Fatal Fury 2??

Me thinks that guy bought an eprom burner and is trying to make a quick buck.

Bramsworth

07-26-2009, 08:43 PM

That's my guess with those other games he's selling. It looks like the Sonic Eraser was taken down as well. Hopefully he didn't end up selling it to someone for tons of money.

And those other Pre-Release PCBs are likely the final game with the casing taken off. talk about LAME.

chessage

07-26-2009, 08:47 PM

Ok, this took me a while to bring up. Fresh pictures upon your request of my European Dungeons & Dragons Mega Drive game (CIB).

P.S.> It plays perfectly on any North American genesis console. (AND IT IS THE REAL THING).

http://quickscifi.webs.com//photos/no/DSCF8207.JPG

http://quickscifi.webs.com//photos/no/DSCF8208.JPG

Wow, looks awesome. That has the PAL label layout where the top of the Sega logo is rounded. The North American layout has a rectangular shape outlining the top of the Sega logo (at least on early games). That's what I'm trying to say. I'm just talking about the cartridge label.

QuickSciFi

07-26-2009, 08:47 PM

I also sent him a message of my own. I wonder how many like it he received.

...And now I must ask this question: How much would you pay for this repro?

Wow, looks awesome. That has the PAL label layout where the top of the Sega logo is rounded. The North American layout has a rectangular shape outlining the top of the Sega logo (at least on early games). That's what I'm trying to say. I'm just talking about the cartridge label.

I see what you mean now. Thanks.

XeroShinobi

07-26-2009, 08:51 PM

It would take someone equally stupid as the seller to buy that. It's too fake for words.

Bramsworth

07-26-2009, 08:54 PM

oh LOL.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sonic-ERASER-NEW-FAKE-but-nice-and-rare_W0QQitemZ160351564337QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_PC _Video_Games_Video_Games_JS?hash=item2555b2b231&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1| 294%3A50

He relists out of fear that he's found out so tries to make it sound like he's still innocent. Yeah, yet he still lists it at a ridiculous price and claims he'll accept "reasonable" offers. Yeah, reasonable probably being sitll MUCH more than a repro is worth. :/ The very fact he tried selling a repro as a proto, claims it's from a sega dev though he tells me it was his sister, and then is selling those bare pcb's of the final products.....how can he think anyone will trust him now? What an asshat and disgrace to the gaming community. Both a disgrace for repro producers and proto collectors as well :(

chessage

07-26-2009, 08:54 PM

Beat to the punch am I.

QuickSciFi

07-26-2009, 08:58 PM

Silanda

07-26-2009, 09:02 PM

I didn't know there was a Pal version of Fatal Fury 2??

Only released in Australia IIRC.

NeoVamp

07-26-2009, 09:02 PM

There comes a sad point in your life when you realize you grown up and you have to give up some things and that´s why I´m offering in this auction:

He makes it sound like he's selling his cherished childhood memories,
yet we've only had that Sonic Eraser dump since 2004. :o

oh man this thread is hilarious, And its all because its almost impossible to report people on Ebay.
(you have to go through 200 pages of yes/no/maybe forms)

If it wasn't so difficult i'd have reported that fucktard who's selling DreamSnes on there.

AD2101

07-26-2009, 09:03 PM

He relists out of fear that he's found out so tries to make it sound like he's still innocent. Yeah, yet he still lists it at a ridiculous price and claims he'll accept "reasonable" offers. Yeah, reasonable probably being sitll MUCH more than a repro is worth. :/ The very fact he tried selling a repro as a proto, claims it's from a sega dev though he tells me it was his sister, and then is selling those bare pcb's of the final products.....how can he think anyone will trust him now? What an asshat and disgrace to the gaming community. Both a disgrace for repro producers and proto collectors as well :(

Fine by me. At least now he clearly states that this is most likely a repro (it is), and if someone, with this knowledge, wants to blow ~$500 on it, let em. They're completely crazy to do so, but there's really no trickery in this anymore.

Bramsworth

07-26-2009, 09:07 PM

Yeah, no trickery, except he's selling pcb's from final games without their casings, got rid of his previous story, and also fails to include some info that I believe rika_chou gave him but he happily decided to ignore:
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s223/dsobodash/screenshot-playgeneration-swiftweas.png?t=1248651495.png

sketch

07-26-2009, 09:33 PM

What a douche this guy is; the cart is so home grown it's painful. His original asking price was, quite frankly, criminal...

Bramsworth

07-26-2009, 11:17 PM

Update: "Check the pcb numbers Mr.Intelligent. Btw Sonic eraser has been already sold - how pitty for you
have a nice day"

So someone bought it, probably for a ridiculous price.

Edit: Got another message

"Hi, as I see you are an American, so I will try to be patient - CSK where my sister worked as a manager owned Sega Corporation and she had a friend from dev.dep.- a funny japanise guy, he was 40 and still played games :) That was a good source."

*sigh*

NeoVamp

07-26-2009, 11:52 PM

Only released in Australia IIRC.

Well its not in the GoodGen set and i really doubt that they didn't have Copiers back in Australia.
Fatal Fury 2 is a pretty well known game so a rom dump should have been found by now if it really existed.

I call bullshit on this one and stick with my story of him being an eprom burning monkey.

Joe Redifer

07-27-2009, 03:48 AM

Is this real?

Of course not, silly. Simply look at the back of the box. When was the last time that you saw a PAL game with less than 26 different languages on the back of the box? And let's not get started on how thin that manual is!

Christuserloeser

07-27-2009, 04:45 AM

Actually, it's 27 different languages.

Silanda

07-27-2009, 04:51 AM

Well its not in the GoodGen set and i really doubt that they didn't have Copiers back in Australia.
Fatal Fury 2 is a pretty well known game so a rom dump should have been found by now if it really existed.

Believe what you want but it exists. Rare though.

Rusty Venture

07-27-2009, 04:59 AM

I believe Bigfoot exists, and he's pretty rare.

Zebbe

07-27-2009, 10:05 AM

Of course not, silly. Simply look at the back of the box. When was the last time that you saw a PAL game with less than 26 different languages on the back of the box? And let's not get started on how thin that manual is!

Some games, such as Phantasy Star II and Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom, only have English on the back of the box and in the manual. Which makes sense, since they are very text-intensive games. You must handle the game text in English, so there is no point in translating the manual.

QuickSciFi

07-27-2009, 10:25 AM

Some games, such as Phantasy Star II and Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom, only have English on the back of the box and in the manual. Which makes sense, since they are very text-intensive games. You must handle the game text in English, so there is no point in translating the manual.

That...

Of course not, silly. Simply look at the back of the box. When was the last time that you saw a PAL game with less than 26 different languages on the back of the box? And let's not get started on how thin that manual is!

Did you see my Pal cartridge picture for cheesage? I guess I forgot to turn it over. No need to exagerate Joe. Most, like D&D, only came in English/French and German.

P.S.> I guess deep down inside I really wanted it to be real. I'm still getting used to the idea of protos, I don't know if they should be considered collectible, but this was one item I've always wanted to include in my Sonic line-up. This guy was a "douge," no doubt, but perhaps I'll acquire it, nonetheless, from another source some day. I personally don't think it looked too bad. (Also, the most I'd pay for something like that is $50.00 CIB.)

KnightWarrior

07-27-2009, 02:52 PM

I e-mailed him & see how much he sold the game for..

ThugsRook

07-27-2009, 03:02 PM

wasnt Sonic Eraser a fan translated (J) game?

sasuke

07-27-2009, 03:53 PM

:o Wow! I cannot believe people actually fell for it!

Even if someone never knew the game, it is obviously fake because the boxart does not look like it was made in '91, it looks similar to the art in SRB2. And why would there be a box and a manual for a prototype?

I hope this person gets banned from eBay after they figure him out ;) (Though it would probably never happen).

matteus

07-27-2009, 04:04 PM

Iron Lizard

07-27-2009, 04:15 PM

Bastards!!

playgen

07-27-2009, 04:36 PM

I've only just realised that this repo copy, which was done by someone on this board is actually a rip of my art that I'd draw up from an old copy of sonic and knuckles in sonic the comic!!! Please see my current Avatar :)

I find Sonic hard to draw, so used the original Sonic the Comic cover as a template, and put a second Sonic in as theres two in the game. Seemed better to base it on official artwork than any grotesque sonic that looked like he had been beaten up that I could create! Its a pretty simple and not that great looking image, but in my defence it was the first one I did, and it was never meant to be a mass production thing, I only made a few (4 perhaps).

A look in my email folder has uncovered the guy in question, he bought it from me in 2007. I never claimed to be a sega employee or any nonsense like that.

I hope nobody was fooled and bought the game for silly money, the moral problems like this are why I stopped making repro carts. Hopefully it didn't actually sell, after all a quick google search will tell you all about the game - that the rom is easily avaliable to download, and theres images of my repro floating around the net still.

Baloo

07-27-2009, 04:45 PM

Wow, what a dick. Although this isn't the first time someone has tried to pass off a reproduction as real.

matteus

07-27-2009, 06:36 PM

playgen your repo was so good its gone and sold for silly money lol

Elusive

07-27-2009, 07:24 PM

I hope nobody was fooled and bought the game for silly money, the moral problems like this are why I stopped making repro carts. Hopefully it didn't actually sell, after all a quick google search will tell you all about the game - that the rom is easily avaliable to download, and theres images of my repro floating around the net still.

Why didn't you just put a thin red band or something at the top of the cover, saying 'REPRODUCTION CARTRIDGE' in white-on-red or something like that? That way the totally legitimate videogame enthusiasts you sold the carts to get their unfinished prototype game, and you get a bit of elbow room if these guys then rip someone off down the line.