Censored games [Archive] - Sega-16 Forums

Cornugon

07-29-2009, 02:18 AM

Probably everyone here knows about the only Genesis Castlevania incarnation which got heavily censored by German censorship laws. Instead of just releasing this toned-down version in Germany, it was released in entire Europe in this state. Since some RPG's like Shining Force got localized language versions I wonder why something like this couldn't have been done with Castlevania. The Mortal Kombat series on the other hand have been released here in all their g(l)ory.

With this topic I'm interested in finding out what other games got minor or heavy alterations because of such laws. Both graphical violence and sexuality/nudity apply here in my opinion, and also for Japanese versions which got such changes in the American version. I hope there hasn't been a similar topic allready, because I couldn't find one. But if so, would someone kindly point me to the right spot?

Well here's what I know of:

Castlevania Bloodlines (US) - The New Generation (EU):
- Title screens blood color changed to blue, dripping blood removed.
- Zombie colors changed from pink to greenish gray, blood changed to green.
- All textual references to 'blood' removed (apart from the word on the box's backside as in 'blood-boiling'. Even in German ;) ).
- Seemingly enemy locations were altered making some parts easier and others harder, but this wouldn't be problematic.
Personally I've been playing TNG a lot lately and gameplaywise it's still an excellent game, oh and the speed is the same as the 60Hz versions!

Contra: Hard Corps (US) - Probotector (EU):
- Just like the second installment of the NES games, people were changed to robots.
- Differences in storyline(?)

Splatterhouse 2, Mortal Kombat-series, Robocop vs Terminator, Zero-Tolerance:
-Seemingly unaltered

Doom Troopers, Splatterhouse 3
-Unreleased in EU

Stormlord
-More of an inter-platform change, since all the home-computer versions (even the ZX-Spectrum original) have nude fairies, in the Megadrive/Genesis version they suddenly have underwear.

Ariel the Mermaid
- Okay not really serious but seriously, why the hell would a mermaid wear a bra? :p

Bare Knuckle 3(JP) - Streets of Rage 3(US/EU):
- The gay boss is changed for a more 'regular' macho-man

chessage

07-29-2009, 03:19 AM

The European box art for Sunset Riders has all instances of guns erased from the packaging, so if you want the "good" box art, then buy the US version.

Note: both versions are region locked.

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On a separate note: Can Bare Knuckle III be played with the use of a Streets of Rage 3 cartridge and a region modded Mega Drive/Genesis?

Rusty Venture

07-29-2009, 05:15 AM

Nope on the BK3. You can't even play BK3 on a US system (region locked).

You can use the game genie to play as "Ash" in SOR3.

QuickSciFi

07-29-2009, 07:11 AM

Last Battle:

http://museodelvideojuego.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/last-battle-peq.jpg

http://www.vizzed.com/vizzedboard/gen/screenshot/Last%20Battle-2.png

-The English translators did not obtain the "Fist of the Northstar" license. Thus all Character names were changed.
-Also, half the characters were re-plotted (Friends became foes, foes became friends).
-All blood and gorish elements were removed in the West.
-...I can't think of anything else.

Zebbe

07-29-2009, 10:15 AM

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist changed to Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist in Europe because the word "ninja" to British (I think) is extremely evil and CANNOT be used in a game title except for Zool: Ninja of the Nth Dimension and Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master. Hilariously enough, the Swedish part of the manual still refers to the characters as "Ninja Turtles" :D.

jesus.arnold

07-29-2009, 10:29 AM

It's possible that Contra: Hard Corps was re-named and re-branded to keep continuity with the NES versions.

I think the whole "ninja" and "nunchucks" fiasco in the UK was caused by the TV and Film ratings people, not the video games people (not sure if there even was any video games rating board back then) So it's possible that the game was called "hero turtles" only because the cartoon was called that, this would explain how Zool got through as ninja and also how Michaelangelo still has his nunchucks in the game (in the cartoon they used to edit all the scenes where he had nunchucks)

TheEdge

07-29-2009, 10:30 AM

It sickens me to see one of the coolest Castlevania games ever created censored cause officials in the EU had a hissy fit.

ITS A VIDEO GAME!

jesus.arnold

07-29-2009, 10:51 AM

It sickens me too see one of the coolest Castlevania games ever created censored cause officials in the EU had a hissy fit.At least you don't own the damn thing, I've been meaning to replace it with a US copy for ages now :(

This is what happens when you share a territory with Germans :p

Also where the heck is 108 stars?!?!!? I haven't seen him in ages :(

Zebbe

07-29-2009, 10:54 AM

What did they insert instead of nunchucks? How are they less dangerous than two friggin' swords?

I've heard the AU version is uncensored, but I have yet to see an confirmation on that.

108 Stars will return when Pier Solar is done.

TheEdge

07-29-2009, 11:00 AM

At least you don't own the damn thing, I've been meaning to replace it with a US copy for ages now

This is what happens when you share a territory with Germans

Sorry to hear that, It must drag down the game immensely. Speaking of Germany did they ever ban Madworld from the shelves? I heard that they were going to.

jesus.arnold

07-29-2009, 11:02 AM

What did they insert instead of nunchucks? How are they less dangerous than two friggin' swords?In the cartoon they would just cut every scene out where Michaelangelo is using nunchucks, All Bruce Lee movies had nunchucks scenes removed until like 10 years ago, video games were never affected.

The head of the ratings board just had a personal disliking for nunchucks and ninja's, as soon as he left they were allowed.

108 Stars will return when Pier Solar is done.Oh ok thanks, I didn't realise he was working on it, I want to continue our talk of reviews from different European countries as I now have access to a bunch of foreign magazines.

TheEdge

07-29-2009, 11:08 AM

^ lol, didn't they call the "HERO" turtles instead of "Ninja" turtles because of that?

Thats hilarious and somewhat pathetic all at the same time.

Zebbe

07-29-2009, 11:37 AM

I hope someone beats that former head of the ratings board to a slow, painful death with a pair of nunchucks.

K.K.

07-29-2009, 11:41 AM

Michelangelo used ropes instead of nunchuks in the edit.

For some reason, Ristar has a father in the western version, and a mother in the original version.

Zebbe

07-29-2009, 11:43 AM

Sounds like the localization team was inspired by "Not Without My Daughter".

ThugsRook

07-29-2009, 11:53 AM

i think even Phantasy Star IV had some enemies removed in the US and EU versions.

:daze:

Mamba Tabac

07-29-2009, 11:53 AM

There is a list on Wikipedia of all censored/banned games...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games

Although of course, being Wikipedia, a gigantic bowl of salt to pinch is essential...

jesus.arnold

07-29-2009, 11:57 AM

I think that 108 said once that a lot of Mega Drive games didn't need to be officialy banned in Germany as a lot of the time companies just didn't bother releasing them there if they thought they'd have trouble.

Baloo

07-29-2009, 12:28 PM

QuickSciFi

07-29-2009, 12:41 PM

Last Battle has a First of the North Star license?!?! Playing as Kenshiro, alright! The US version can go take a hike, time to import this game.

Indeed. It's one of the few that are still worth re-acquiring as imports. Too much was lost/changed during the translation. The same goes with Ristar.

Megadragon15

07-29-2009, 12:56 PM

Cornugon

07-29-2009, 02:09 PM

DJ Boy was censored when comparing the US and Japanese version. Some black enemies were changed to white and one bosses fart attack (a fat black woman) was changed to her throwing pies (a fat white woman). Some stages look different.

Isn't that just a form of racism, going all Michael Jackson on the black enemies just because they're black?

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist changed to Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist in Europe because the word "ninja" to British (I think) is extremely evil and CANNOT be used in a game title except for Zool: Ninja of the Nth Dimension and Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master. Hilariously enough, the Swedish part of the manual still refers to the characters as "Ninja Turtles" :D.

So that's why they're 'heroes' here. I always wondered why the animated classic series called them 'hero turtles' and those same turtles were 'ninja turtles' in the movies.

Rusty Venture

07-29-2009, 02:31 PM

I :lol: at "Last Battle" you punch guys and they just fly off the screen. Comic gold.

And I never really understood the nun-chucks bias in England, there is no rational explanation of why *THAT WEAPON* would be singled out of pointy, edged weapons.

And I can't really understand the "ninja" bias either, were there bands of rogue ninjas roaming England in the 70's & 80's?

TheEdge

07-29-2009, 02:52 PM

Mommy, I want to be a hero turtle when I grow up :!:

Elusive

07-29-2009, 05:21 PM

And I never really understood the nun-chucks bias in England, there is no rational explanation of why *THAT WEAPON* would be singled out of pointy, edged weapons.

And I can't really understand the "ninja" bias either, were there bands of rogue ninjas roaming England in the 70's & 80's?

Consider that this was the era of the emerging Hong Kong martial-arts genre; it was probably just yet another case of parents complaining about bad influences on their children, without bothering to read up on the subject matter - don't call them ninjas, put something more inoffensive in the title. Job done. Kids continue to buy the toys anyway, so everyone wins.

ThugsRook

07-29-2009, 05:55 PM

Mommy, I want to be a hero turtle when I grow up :!:
wait,

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle

dont mind the teenage mutant, ninjas are bad! :?

Aarzak

07-29-2009, 07:02 PM

Last Battle has a First of the North Star license?!?! Playing as Kenshiro, alright! The US version can go take a hike, time to import this game.

Don't bother, the game STILL sucks regardless and you won't be able to understand a lick of the Japanese text throughout the game anyways:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/9fiUbUbDesI&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/9fiUbUbDesI&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Just some bloody explosions, that all. Fire up Kega Fusion and check it out.

.........I guess that doesn't explain why I chose this screen name huh? :D Can anyone make me an Aarzak avatar? I've no idea of how to make an avatar, period. :confused:

QuickSciFi

07-29-2009, 07:06 PM

Don't bother, the game STILL sucks regardless and you won't be able to understand a lick of the Japanese text throughout the game anyways:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/9fiUbUbDesI&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/9fiUbUbDesI&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Just some bloody explosions, that all. Fire up Kega Fusion and check it out.

.........I guess that doesn't explain why I chose this screen name huh? :D Can anyone make me an Aarzak avatar? I've no idea of how to make an avatar, period. :confused:

Interesting. The enemies don't fly-off when you beat them. Love the gore. Still, I'd buy it.

chessage

07-30-2009, 03:19 AM

Nope on the BK3. You can't even play BK3 on a US system (region locked).

You can use the game genie to play as "Ash" in SOR3.

I said REGION MODDED Genesis. The SoR cart can be played in Bare Knuckle mode and SoR 2 can be played in Bare Knuckle II mode, so can SoR 3 be played in Bare Knuckle III mode on a region modded Genesis?

Rusty Venture

07-30-2009, 03:33 AM

And I said "NO" regarding a region modified system.

They will not "change" into the other game like SOR1/BK1 because you switch region. BK2 doesn't and SOR3 won't either.

At best it will go for awhile and freeze ala BK2 running on freshly switched console.

chessage

07-30-2009, 03:54 AM

At best it will go for awhile and freeze ala BK2 running on freshly switched console.

Freeze at what point? A guide I've read (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/genesis/file/916377/23879) claims that you should be able to view the whole introduction and at least make it to the character selection screen when running SoR 2 in JP mode.

Rusty Venture

07-30-2009, 04:02 AM

BK2 will freeze at the title screen, or I can get a bit into Level 1 before it freezes.

And yes BK2 will show up as "Streets of Rage 2", but that is really the only change.

Martin

07-30-2009, 08:30 AM

Bare Knuckle 3(JP) - Streets of Rage 3(US/EU):
- The gay boss is changed for a more 'regular' macho-man

There were a lot more changes than just that. Can't really be bothered to list them all, Google it.

On a separate note: Can Bare Knuckle III be played with the use of a Streets of Rage 3 cartridge and a region modded Mega Drive/Genesis?

Huh? How would the SOR3 cart help you to run BNIII? Perhaps I've misunderstood you. Anyway, both games are region-coded to an extent. I have Bare Knuckle III for my modified Mega Drive..

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3530/photo0023m.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/photo0023m.jpg/)

That's obviously a photo of my modified Super Famicom, but the Mega Drive is sneaking into frame, and it's actually the best picture I have of the switches on my MD. They are both simple toggle switches. The one of the left is the language/region switch (Japanese - English), the other is the 50/60Hz switch. So anyways, configuring my MD in all three ways, these were my findings in trying to boot Bare Knuckle III.

NTSC-J Obviously works fine. The intended region.
NTSC-U Does not work, and brings up a "DEVELOPED ONLY FOR USE WITH NTSC MEGA DRIVE AND PAL AND FRENCH SECAM MEGA DRIVE SYSTEMS." screen, in the Bare Knuckle III font.
PAL Works, but as it's an NTSC game (therefore with no PAL optimisation), it runs 17% slower. Not recommended at all, but it works at least.

So it does work on PAL machines, but you will at least need to widen the cartridge slot. It's physical shape won't allow it to fit into a Genesis or PAL Mega Drive. Here's a pic of the cart slot on mine..

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6243/photo0030d.th.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/photo0030d.jpg/)

Mercifully, the dust flaps extend underneath the tabs, so your console will still be OK without a cart in it.

What mods do you have on your MD? Again - how would the SOR3 cart help you at all?

NeoVamp

07-30-2009, 08:31 AM

SOR2 in Jap mode = fully working game.

BKII in English mode (60hz) = very picky, it will give a "THIS GAME IS NOT MADE FOR THIS REGION" blabla thing if you switch too early,
I however switched during the Japanese intro text and then the game froze till i pressed start.
that got me the SOR2 screen, after that i played all the way through level 1 without it freezing on me,
then i walked a bit into the bridge level (level 2) and it just kept going.

so other then BKII being picky of the region it works perfectly fine ingame.

BKIII and SOR3 are completely different games though, (data wise i mean)
Sega of America just changed way too much, if they had just stuck to translating and a new title screen then it could have been switchable,
but now its just censored and changed to hell.

Martin

07-30-2009, 11:41 AM

I said REGION MODDED Genesis. The SoR cart can be played in Bare Knuckle mode and SoR 2 can be played in Bare Knuckle II mode, so can SoR 3 be played in Bare Knuckle III mode on a region modded Genesis?

I missed this, sorry. I have SOR1 on a 6-in-1 cart, and when I boot the game with my console set to Japanese, it becomes Bare Knuckle, like you said. I don't actually have SOR2 for my current MD (had it back in the day), and wondered if the same would be true. There are a couple changes to SOR2, you know. Very minor, but Skate is called Sammy, Max's surname changes from Thunder to Hatchet, and when you meet Mr. X at the end, he's smoking a cigar.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6149/sor2bk2cigar.gif

Another weird change was that in Bare Knuckle II, when Blaze does her flying jump kick, you can see her panties. These are covered up in the American version. Bizarrely, the cheeky up-skirt panty-view is intact on the PAL version (not the cigar, though). Play through your SOR2 cart with everything set to Japanese to see if the panties and the cigar are present, and not just a title screen change. I guess check Skate and Max's names to see if they have reverted back to BKII status.

I now understand your question regarding your SOR3 cart. I reckon too much was changed for the BKIII data to still be present and complete.

Cornugon

07-31-2009, 03:13 AM

Bizarrely, the cheeky up-skirt panty-view is intact on the PAL version (not the cigar, though).

Not that bizar if you reckon that in Europe people usually aren't offended much by (partial) nudity/sexuality as was always the case with you Americans ;). Violence on the other hand....
Same with movies: in Hollywoods ones female characters after a hot portion of you-know-what tend to go and sit-up in bed covering up their boobs.

Rusty Venture

07-31-2009, 03:20 AM

They lay in bed either covering up their breasts with a sheet or still wearing their bra.

Neither of which actually makes sense. No woman is going to leave their bra on while having sex and I know damn well no woman wants to leave a bra on overnight. But I've always chalked this movie cliche to be less of "OMG Americans are prudes!" and more of so-and-so actress just doesn't wanna show the goods.

Bizarrely...Keira Knightly will show the goods (what little there is) but not her ass. (???)

Cornugon

07-31-2009, 03:43 AM

Bizarrely...Keira Knightly will show the goods (what little there is) but not her ass. (???)

Maybe she thinks her ass is ugly? In that case why not let 'us' decide ;)

Rusty Venture

07-31-2009, 04:06 AM

Charlize Theron has bared all, and I decided that was beyond jawusum.

Mamba Tabac

07-31-2009, 07:29 PM

Charlize Theron = :love:

Cornugon

08-06-2009, 11:12 AM

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist changed to Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist in Europe because the word "ninja" to British (I think) is extremely evil and CANNOT be used in a game title

Is that also the reason why the Ninja Gaiden arcade game and it's ports (except the NES-version) were released here as Shadow Warriors?

Silanda

08-06-2009, 12:10 PM

And I never really understood the nun-chucks bias in England, there is no rational explanation of why *THAT WEAPON* would be singled out of pointy, edged weapons.

And I can't really understand the "ninja" bias either, were there bands of rogue ninjas roaming England in the 70's & 80's?

This was courtesy of the BBFC of that era being utterly dumb. Apparently there had been a few crimes involving nunchucks, so the BBFC (or rather James Ferman) decided that they were evil and banned all sight of them until they realised their stupidity in the late '90s (and Andreas Whittam Smith replaced Ferman at the BBFC). This was typical of the BBFC under Ferman, a situation not helped by his opinion that the cuts actually improved films.

Rusty Venture

08-06-2009, 02:17 PM

So headbutts were evil too?

jesus.arnold

08-06-2009, 03:04 PM

Is that also the reason why the Ninja Gaiden arcade game and it's ports (except the NES-version) were released here as Shadow Warriors?Yep, also Shadow of the Ninja -> Blue Shadow springs to mind

Silanda

08-06-2009, 03:10 PM

So headbutts were evil too?

Ah, now headbutts are different. The BBFC reckoned that they are easily imitable, so children must be protected from them at all costs. Of course this was complete balls as it is easier to punch someone, and punching someone doesn't hurt yourself nearly as much. Come to think of it, they only seemed to be bothered about children hurting themselves, not others.

Anyway in recent years they have become much more sensible, but they can still be woefully inconsistant.

NeoVamp

08-06-2009, 04:06 PM

Bare Knuckle 3(JP) - Streets of Rage 3(US/EU):
- The gay boss is changed for a more 'regular' macho-man

Actually they just replaced him with a Donovan enemy. (standard enemy)
there's no "regular macho-man" in the game.

Rusty Venture

08-07-2009, 01:27 AM

Ah, now headbutts are different. The BBFC reckoned that they are easily imitable, so children must be protected from them at all costs. Of cause this was complete balls as it is easier to punch someone, and punching someone doesn't hurt yourself nearly as much. Come to think of it, they only seemed to be bothered about children hurting themselves, not others.

Anyway in recent years they have become much more sensible, but they can still be woefully inconsistant.

And I thought that kind of stuff only happened in the US. :D

Elusive

08-08-2009, 05:51 AM

And I thought that kind of stuff only happened in the US. :D

People being short-sighted knee-jerk reactionists is universal

Martin

08-10-2009, 04:14 PM

Ah, now headbutts are different. The BBFC reckoned that they are easily imitable, so children must be protected from them at all costs. Of course this was complete balls as it is easier to punch someone, and punching someone doesn't hurt yourself nearly as much. Come to think of it, they only seemed to be bothered about children hurting themselves, not others.

Actually, it's apparently easier to hurt yourself by punching someone. Unless you're some sort of boxer/martial artist, it's surprisingly easy to injure your hand by punching someone. People don't clench their fists up in the right way, and end up dislocating/breaking fingers and stuff. With a head butt, all you've got to worry about is hitting them in the face with your forehead. If you do that, you'll be fine every time.

Apparently.

Rusty Venture

08-10-2009, 04:33 PM

There is a trick to doing headbutts as well.

Ya know, doing it so you don't actually hurt yourself in the process.

About the only UK cut to an American movie I guess I could understand was the "shooting guys in the knees" scenes from T2. James Cameron said the scenes were cut because (apparently) that was the IRA's preferred method of capping someone.

Cornugon

08-11-2009, 02:39 AM

Actually they just replaced him with a Donovan enemy. (standard enemy)
there's no "regular macho-man" in the game.

Well I was wrong a little bit: having reviewed the movies it's actually the gay dude driving the boat in the jap-version which is changed to that macho-dude (he IS macho) which you encounter in the NEXT sub-level in both versions. But indeed the crybaby fag has been replaced with regular Donovans/Bono's

Rusty Venture

08-11-2009, 03:20 AM

I wasn't aware the term "fag" was used in the NL.

Cornugon

08-11-2009, 05:10 AM

I wasn't aware the term "fag" was used in the NL.

Apart from those 'borrowed' from the (American) English language we got all kinds of words for the same thing ;)

NeoVamp

08-11-2009, 08:59 AM

Well I was wrong a little bit: having reviewed the movies it's actually the gay dude driving the boat in the jap-version which is changed to that macho-dude (he IS macho) which you encounter in the NEXT sub-level in both versions. But indeed the crybaby fag has been replaced with regular Donovans/Bono's

Oh you mean Shiva!

I never saw him as a MACHO guy, he was always the evil sidekick of the main boss Mr X,

Also i hope you meant games and not movies. http://www.sega-16.com/forum/images/icons/talking.gif

Also calling Ash a cry-baby fag just proves the ignorance of the west, Ash the character was supposed to resemble an extreme vision of homosexuals,
by actually using words like fag you are merely showing that you do not understand the joke that the creators made when they created the character.

You're stating the painfully obvious.

Cultural differences indeed.

Cornugon

08-11-2009, 09:58 AM

Oh you mean Shiva!

I never saw him as a MACHO guy, he was always the evil sidekick of the main boss Mr X,

Also i hope you meant games and not movies. http://www.sega-16.com/forum/images/icons/talking.gif

Also calling Ash a cry-baby fag just proves the ignorance of the west, Ash the character was supposed to resemble an extreme vision of homosexuals,
by actually using words like fag you are merely showing that you do not understand the joke that the creators made when they created the character.

You're stating the painfully obvious.

Cultural differences indeed.
Yeah Shiva is his name, I didn't really got into the story yet I'm afraid.
I actually meant movies as in youtube-movies, but since they're made of games, I had to be more specific :).

About this joke, I definately don't seem to get it, so maybe would you kindly like to clearify what it actually means then?

Rusty Venture

08-11-2009, 02:39 PM

I'm not really sure what the joke was behind Ash, unless it was his over-the-top appearance and actions.

And for any Europeans looking for a bit 'o trivia: In Americanese, "fag" is a derogatory term to refer to a homosexual guy.

http://www.eckernet.com/images/MoreYouKnow.jpg

Cornugon

08-11-2009, 03:07 PM

And for any Europeans looking for a bit 'o trivia: In Americanese, "fag" is a derogatory term to refer to a homosexual guy.

http://www.eckernet.com/images/MoreYouKnow.jpg

My apologies if the word 'fag' was seen as offensive, because it wasn't meant against homosexuals in general (don't have anything against them :p). And I definately didn't mean to be rude :)

It's probably a bad Dutch habit, for we're even allowed to say 'sh*t' and such in youth television. I'll try to refrain myself next time :cool:

I meant ofcourse Ash being a stereotype Village-people look-alike, who's reacting somewhat 'emotional' when beaten.

Rusty Venture

08-11-2009, 03:33 PM

"Shit" is fine, nothing we haven't heard before.

The Americanese term you wanted to use was "gay".

Although in Ash's case I'd probably call him "flaming gay" as he is exceedingly over-the-top.

Isn't American slang fun? :D

Nunzio

08-11-2009, 04:14 PM

Personally I'd be more inclined to call him a 'total homo'.

jesus.arnold

08-11-2009, 04:35 PM

This isn't really on topic but the SNES version of the Addams Family is censored (unlike the Mega Drive version) the 1st bird boss at the top of the tree no longer shits on you as an attack :(

NeoVamp

08-11-2009, 08:09 PM

First lets make it clear that i have no problem with the word "Fag"
I'm tired of this PC era we live in and except for the "N" word I'll bloody well say whatever's on my mind.
(unless it gets me banned!)

but the reason i brought it up was because of the way it was used,
the whole reason Ash was put in the game is because Japanese people find an over the top gay portrayal hillariously funny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us2lBEb9z0k).

so its like

Japanese person plays Bare Knuckle III and meets Ash : hahaha its gay guy its so funny!! haha look at him prance around! hahaha

now we see a Westerner play Bare Knuckle III..

WTF IS THIS FAGGOTRY, fucking fuck a faggot, fuck i need to kill him cause this is so gay!

and thats probably the reason why they removed him, because the majority of Western people
can not understand the comedic relief that Ash is supposed to represent.

personally i lolled when i saw him for the first time, because i got that he's supposed to be a joke,
he's not supposed to be the ultimate evil boss with a heavy background story, he's a joke character.

And i don't think anyone was offended by the use of the word Fag,
they seem more interested in teaching you Americanz.

Also something to think about...

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7623/ash01.gif
Completely removed.

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Censored Titty bounce on English versions (2000 and up)

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Posterboy for KOF and current leading Hero..

Cornugon

08-12-2009, 01:58 AM

now we see a Westerner play Bare Knuckle III..

WTF IS THIS FAGGOTRY, fucking fuck a faggot, fuck i need to kill him cause this is so gay!

and thats probably the reason why they removed him, because the majority of Western people
can not understand the comedic relief that Ash is supposed to represent.

personally i lolled when i saw him for the first time, because i got that he's supposed to be a joke,
he's not supposed to be the ultimate evil boss with a heavy background story, he's a joke character...
Well personally I found him funny too when I went through Bare Knuckle 3 in emulation, but there probably are indeed a small amount of people who go all aggressive on the sight of a gay person, and not just only the 'people from the middle-east-and-such', who are not exactly known for their tolerance towards them.
That reaction looks like a typical football (or soccer if you prefer) hooligan responce ;)

And i don't think anyone was offended by the use of the word Fag,
they seem more interested in teaching you Americanz.

Also something to think about...

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Completely removed.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9501/26804013101b90052559o.gif
Censored Titty bounce on English versions (2000 and up)

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Posterboy for KOF and current leading Hero..
Learning Americanese on another way than from TV (yeah in the Netherlands movies/series don't get dubbed over like in Germany/France/Spain/Italy/etc.) seems to be quite rewarding after all :cool:

Rusty Venture

08-12-2009, 02:56 AM

Cornugon

08-12-2009, 04:30 AM

Yeah, I was told that Europe was this haven of enjoying and respecting movies in their original language and using subtitles and then I find out most places dub stuff just like here. :?

At least we agree on proper driving lanes and steering wheel placement. ;)

The latter is sooo true! ;)

But in Europe you only get original languages with subtitles in the Netherlands and Belgium (at least the Flemish part), and Scandinavian countries (Denmark, Sweden etc.). Maybe also in Eastern Europe, but the rest are indeed dubbed over (which is probably one of the reasons for games/movies appearing much later in Europe than in the States (fortunately not that often as a few years ago anymore), while we in Holland usually get the UK-version with sometimes a Dutch manual but not always, we still have to wait until the French language version basically is ready :?

Rusty Venture

08-12-2009, 05:08 AM

Nobody should have anything French forced upon them. :p

Baloo

08-12-2009, 01:56 PM

I guess there's not a lot of gay people in Japan like there is in America, because I know that everybody would be in uproar if something like that were aired on American TV. Too much political correctness here, if it offends one person...

it offends us all.

Rusty Venture

08-12-2009, 03:09 PM

I think you mean "there isn't a lot of hard-line, bible thumping Christians with links to politicians in Japan."

NeoVamp

08-12-2009, 05:20 PM

because I know that everybody would be in uproar if something like that were aired on American TV.

Well last night after i had my previous reply i decided to check out Wikipedia on the hard gay subject,
turns out there are in facts major complaints about the show from gay rights movements.

apparently so much that the guy doing the character decided to stop dressing up like this.

But hey this is the country that until recently had no problem with selling rape games,
so its not surprising that a gay joke show like that lasted as long as it did.

Christuserloeser

08-13-2009, 12:57 AM

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7623/ash01.gif

he's not supposed to be the ultimate evil boss with a heavy background story, he's a joke character.

One major difference between the Final Fight series and Bare Knuckle always were the much cooler enemy characters in BK.

I think that Ash had his place among all these punk rockers, rockabillys, skinheads, BDSM dominatrixes, blond 'n blue eyed super heroes, half-naked wrestlers and rollerblade kids. - All of these are over the top cliches, and I think that all of these are thrown at you with a ;) so in a way all of these are "joke characters". The game's a playable caricature of itself.

By censoring Ash, those responsible at Sega of America implied that it is not okay to beat up a gay character but that it would be perfectly acceptable to beat up punk rockers, rockabillys, skinheads or BDSM dominatrixes.

Cornugon

08-13-2009, 01:28 AM

By censoring Ash, those responsible at Sega of America implied that it is not okay to beat up a gay character but that it would be perfectly acceptable to beat up punk rockers, rockabillys, skinheads or BDSM dominatrixes.

'Positive' discrimination? Here in Holland we have that too unfortunately, with (openly) gay people, but also with muslims.

I think you mean "there isn't a lot of hard-line, bible thumping Christians with links to politicians in Japan."
If forgot about that, I've read many times on overly christian parents and other too religious madmen in the States complaining about everything and anything and even getting their wish when it comes to subjects like gayness, devils, other occult stuff...
On TV a while ago I had been watching a series called 'Brimstone' about a former police cop who was sent too hell for killing his wive's rapist in cold blood. But somehow 144 (or something) of the worst of the worst escaped from hell and it was this cop's task to send them back.
The problem was that the 'devil', who was for instance giving information on the cop's next 'subject', had a main role in the series, and therefore all those furious religious beings had it canned and there ultimately were only about 13 episodes made.

There are probably more but this came to mind.

Black_Tiger

08-13-2009, 01:46 AM

Nobody should have anything French forced upon them. :p

Don't move to Canada. ;)

Rusty Venture

08-13-2009, 02:02 AM

Oh, Quebec is still considered part of Canada?

The Strike Force would gladly help the Canadian people show those French speakers whose in charge.

Cornugon

08-13-2009, 10:08 AM

Found out another one!

Chaos Engine for the Genesis (and the SNES version too) was released as Soldiers of Fortune in the States, with the Preacher-character changed to 'the Scientist' and his clerical collar removed. :p

The retiteling and alteration didn't happen for the Amiga and PC versions.

Baloo

08-13-2009, 03:17 PM

Don't forget Sunset Riders on SNES, taking out all of the Indians in the Indian level.

Cornugon

08-13-2009, 03:48 PM

taking out all of the Indians in the Indian level.

What? Did they change them to aliens, because that's what the Germans did if a game was to contain nazi's in them :p

NeoVamp

08-13-2009, 06:58 PM

What? Did they change them to aliens, because that's what the Germans did if a game was to contain nazi's in them :p

or Zombies! Germans love driving over helpless zombies.. ;_;

Christuserloeser

08-13-2009, 09:12 PM

Funny that they installed these laws with the premise to get rid of all the Nazi propaganda in but effectively use it to censor anti-fascist games mostly. >_<

NeoVamp

08-14-2009, 12:26 AM

Nazi Germany : ZE GOVERMENT KNOWS WHAT IEZ BEST FOR U!!

Current Germany : YOU CAN NOT HANDLE THEZE GAMEZ, WE WILL BAN THEM TO SAVEZ YOU!

Thats Europe for ya, they think of themselves as that great place where everybody is so tolerant,
while in reality people are silenced by means of mental oppression.

you dare speak your mind? YOU ARE A RACIST THEN!
YOU WANT NEW WORLD WAR!!

And they laugh at America and their "DO YOU HATE FREEDOM BOI?"

while they do the same fucking thing.

I'm going to bed, its not good to think too much about this stuff.

Cornugon

08-14-2009, 02:52 AM

Current Germany : YOU CAN NOT HANDLE THEZE GAMEZ, WE WILL BAN THEM TO SAVEZ YOU!
Yeah nothing has changed :p

Thats Europe for ya, they think of themselves as that great place where everybody is so tolerant,
while in reality people are silenced by means of mental oppression.

you dare speak your mind? YOU ARE A RACIST THEN!
YOU WANT NEW WORLD WAR!!

And they laugh at America and their "DO YOU HATE FREEDOM BOI?"

while they do the same fucking thing.
The main problem is these are still different countries which still have their own set of rules, like Germany having heavy censorship on media, Scandinavia where beer is expensive, France for being home to French people (although they made some great games in the past;)), Italy for having bonds with the mafia, Holland for habiting the most hypocritic people of the world...

I'm going to bed, its not good to think too much about this stuff.
Sweet dreams

kool kitty89

08-18-2009, 09:01 PM

Surprised this one hasn't come up yet, I just found it out myself though.

The animation in Street Fighter II SCE replaces the black guy getting punched in the intro sequence with a white guy. (and removed the red pow/smack animation from the punch itsself)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qquc7OFVFhE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui3AdBg6wdw
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NeoVamp

08-18-2009, 09:54 PM

The animation in Street Fighter II SCE replaces the black guy getting punched in the intro sequence with a white guy.

He's still black in the Japanese version of the game though,
but PAL version is also a white guy.

Rusty Venture

08-19-2009, 02:38 AM

I guess only WHITE CRACKAS can brawl in the street.

Although....Adam *was* removed as a playable character from BK2+3.

I smell a conspiracy to keep the brotha down!

Black_Tiger

08-19-2009, 04:06 PM

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Da_Shocker

08-19-2009, 05:03 PM

It felt good that it wasn't the black guy gettin his ass beat in SF2 SCE. Hey they took that whole scene out of the SNES version.

I also find it disturbing that SoA decided to change Ash's colors in SoR3. There must've been some thought process that they were gonna keep him in the game and messed with his color schemes.

American Ash
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Rusty Venture

08-20-2009, 03:15 AM

Yeah its cool that a black dude can't get his ass beat in the opening credits, but you can beat the shit out of the lone black guy *in the game* as much as you want.

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Dunn

09-24-2009, 07:03 PM

Bare Knuckle 3(JP) - Streets of Rage 3(US/EU):
- The gay boss is changed for a more 'regular' macho-man

This disturbs me quite a bit, not hung up on it, but still. Not gay myself, but why shouldn't a gay boss be able to beat the shit out of me 20x before I win? Oh well, the game was released quite a while ago, and the look towards homosexuals wasn't as good as it is now.

Rusty Venture

09-24-2009, 08:37 PM

You're really just a game genie code away from beating everyone up as that gay dude.

He's too powerful if you ask me.

Smii

09-25-2009, 06:20 AM

He's an easy boss though. I was surprised how quickly he destroys everyone when you play as him. Despite his inability to pick up weapons... my first thought on discovering this was something along the lines of "limp wristed". Bad me. (Yep, I know none of the other hidden characters can do that either :shame:)

crazyteknohed

09-25-2009, 12:18 PM

And for any Europeans looking for a bit 'o trivia: In Americanese, "fag" is a derogatory term to refer to a homosexual guy.

...and for any Americans looking for a bit o' trivia: in Britain a "fag" is just a cigarette, hence the funny looks I get from Americans whenever I ask them to "bum me a fag". We do have a similar derogatory term for homosexuals which is a "faggot" so perhaps the American "fag" stems from this?