Sonic The Hedgehog 4: Official Thread

[Puffy2k316]

http://kotaku.com/5355153/sonic-returns-in-new-2d-hd-game

Obviously not a lot of info atm, but it looks like they finally realize what needs to be done. I'm not getting my hopes up because SEGA always ends up disappointing me.

[QuickSciFi]

Oh yes! I do dare to hope. :D

[Deo]

If it is a true 2D Sonic game I may finally have a good reason to buy a current gen console.

[Puffy2k316]

They'll probably make it a 2.5d polygonal mess. If they used hand drawn 2d hd sprites then it would be soooooooo awesome.

plz don't take the easy way out sega

[Knuckle Duster]

They'll probably make it a 2.5d polygonal mess. If they used hand drawn 2d hd sprites then it would be soooooooo awesome.

Nothing wrong with 3D polygon sonic, as long as it's not 'Dark and Gritty'.

I'm hoping for a kick-ass 2.5D experience. With all the 3D bells and whistles thrown into the bonus stages.

[ThugsRook]

they will prolly use 3d models to make the 2d sprites.

i wonder if Sonic 2 HD had/has anything todo with this. their "does this thing even run?" PC test demo looked absolutely awesome :cool:

[17daysolderthannes]

well, I mean, almost every review outlet has basically said "JUST FUCKING MAKE IT LIKE THE OLD SONIC, DUMBASS!" so maybe Sega finally got the idea?

[George Foreman]

well, I mean, almost every review outlet has basically said "JUST FUCKING MAKE IT LIKE THE OLD SONIC, DUMBASS!" so maybe Sega finally got the idea?

But, this is how it starts everytime (the past two multiplatform Sonics). I really have no reason to believe Sega won't add in some stupid story and rush the game out before they can even thoroughly test it.

[lilmul123]

How can they screw this up? What don't get they get about "make it like the old ones."?!

If they seriously don't make a game like that, I will swear off Sega products! Except their arcade products! Because they rock!

[Cornugon]

They'd probably go the cell-shaded way, because that's a fad at the moment.

[r9delta]

Sonic Cycle strikes again. I'm not getting my hopes up. I'll praise it when it's actually out and if it's worthy of being praised.

[cj iwakura]

Cautiously pessimistic.


I guess they realized they had to announce something for the occasion if not Shenmue 3. :P

[AD2101]

If this attempt to make a decent Sonic game sucks I'll finally know what it's like to be a Cubs fan, or the father of a meth-addict. The disappointment and shame I'll feel will be never ending.

[Devil N]

http://www.cumuluscentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/thecycle.jpg

But still, let's hope it gets broken this time. This announcement sounds like a step in the right direction.

[Phantar]

I believe it when I see it, it pretty much sounded the same when they announced "Sonic Heroes" and "Sonic Unleashed". So I'll remain sceptical.

[Rusty Venture]

The cynical skeptic in me predicts:

4 new hedgehogs will be introduced
47 Sonic buddies will appear
Knuckles will again have a shitty rap song for a theme.
"Eggman" will still be used.

[Christuserloeser]

Well, Eggman is his name. It always was. Sega of America just decided to rename him to "Dr. Robotnik" because you can squeeze some Anti-Russian ressentiments into everything if you got nothing better to do.

[Tanegashima]

Anti-Russian anything is always good. Look at Strider.

http://news.filefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/sonic-classic.jpg=http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/eye_Q/betterdeadthanred.jpg

[gamegenie]

It's SEGA's response to this.

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=932&stc=1&d=1252624731

the rivalries are returning for the next decade of Nintendo vs SEGA wars.

[Devil N]

Oooh...

Official teaser site (http://www.needlemouse.com/)

[acdc]

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It's SEGA's response to this.

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=932&stc=1&d=1252624731

the rivalries are returning for the next decade of Nintendo vs SEGA wars.


damn i really like to play this didn t play mario anymore till n64 no 3d
this i gonna play even if i have to buy a wii

[runback22]

What I would love to see is something similar to what they do in 2.5d shmups......I love it when they mix 2d gameplay with incredible 3d backgrounds....I long for the day that Sega gets back to being a powerhouse....

[Bablefish]

I know it will take old school gamers like us who will actually decide if this new game lives up to the hype.

[QuickSciFi]

^I'm w/ gamegenie. It's so obvious.

...But I'll take the obvious over the non-existent any day. Otherwise, we wouldn't have Vectorman in the first place. ;)

[jerry coeurl]

I have not gotten my hopes up for a "new" Sonic game since the massive disappointment that was Sonic Heroes, and I'm sure as hell not gonna start again now. I'll be excited for this game once it has come out and proven to me that it doesn't suck. Won't get fooled again, etc.

[mrbigreddog]

^I'm w/ gamegenie. It's so obvious.

...But I'll take the obvious over the non-existent any day. Otherwise, we wouldn't have Vectorman in the first place. ;)

"War brings out the best in technology! But brings out the worst in humanity..."
(Wilson Wilson - Home Improvement)
http://robert.accettura.com/wp-content/uploads/2005/12/20051208_wilson.jpg

[Devil N]

"War brings out the best in technology! But brings out the worst in humanity..."
(Wilson Wilson - Home Improvement)
If it finally results in a good Sonic game, then I don't mind what humanity does.

[TheEdge]

Sonic the Pinata is back to be whacked for yet another time.

I'm surprised though that Sega is taking its fans seriously. People have been requesting this for a while. Hopefully they are finally doing some research on what their customers really want to play.

[Rusty Venture]

Anti-Russian anything is always good. Look at Strider.

http://news.filefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/sonic-classic.jpg=http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/eye_Q/betterdeadthanred.jpg

:rock:

I'm all for some anti-Commie sentiment as long as it saves us from a crap name.

[Baloo]

It even brings back the Sega Scream in the teaser trailer.

Come on..., you know you want to see what it's like...

[QuickSciFi]

^I sure do. :D

[j_factor]

Oooh...

Official teaser site (http://www.needlemouse.com/)

Does this spell something? WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

[kool kitty89]

It even brings back the Sega Scream in the teaser trailer.

Come on..., you know you want to see what it's like...

Sega Scream, where? (I only heard the classic "Sega" intro sound, not SoA's blast processing powered scream)


And anyone notice this:
It'll be out in 2010. No word on platforms, but the "HD" bit certainly narrows it down. What do you think, Sega fans? Do you dare to hope?

Is it me, or are they implying/refrencing Sega's mysterious 2010 console rumor?

Yeah! With "Sonic the Hedgehog HD" as the exclusive, flagship, pack-in, launch title! :mrgreen:

[Dirt Ball Gamer]

I would buy a new SEGA console, even if it had failure written all over it, hell especially if it had failure written all over it. If I was SEGA I would wait a few more years before I tried to jump back in the console business. Wait for an opportunity to open up. That new Mario game looks badass tho, I'm tempted to get a Wii for that and also Mariocart.

If it was up to me I would make the new Sonic game all beautiful hand drawn 2d. Background layers, characters sprites, everything. Just give it a shit ton of levels and alternate paths etc, and absolutely zero voice acting. None. Just Hire some really brilliant artists and give the characters tons of frames of animation. I would lose Sonic's newer look and go for the fat bellied old Sonic look. And give it some serious speed and challenge, maybe even make it too hard for all these newer 3-D loving gamers to handle. Blast Processing HD. And if the new mario has 80 levels, well by god Sonic will have 90 goddamn levels! Ha!

[Deo]

Sonic needs voice acting, otherwise he wouldn't be able to say "I'm outta here".

[GriskaGyoran]

The plot better be Robotnic is being an ass so Sonic needs to teach him a lesson. Anything more than that is uneeded. Tails, Knuckles and maybe one other character is permissible, but having a thousand support characters is not needed.

[kool kitty89]

Sonic needs voice acting, otherwise he wouldn't be able to say "I'm outta here".

Many will dissagree, but I'll always be partial to "I'm waiting...." (tapps foot), I think I'd like Jaleel White doing Sonic's voice in a game. Heh... So long as "Eggman" was nowher to be found. (interesting to note that both 1993 Sonic cartoons aired thir first episodes prior to Sonic CD's Japanese release, but all in the same month)

[Rusty Venture]

The plot better be Robotnic is being an ass so Sonic needs to teach him a lesson. Anything more than that is uneeded. Tails, Knuckles and maybe one other character is permissible, but having a thousand support characters is not needed.

No. This leaves a possibility for that hooker bat-chick to be in the game somehow.

[ThugsRook]

It even brings back the Sega Scream in the teaser trailer.
thats not the SEGA Scream, thats just SAY-GAH.

there are 2 versions of the real sega scream, but i dont remember what games they proceed.

...and of course theres also the little japanese girl singing SAYYYYY-GAHHHH. (my fav)

:cool:

[kool kitty89]

No. This leaves a possibility for that hooker bat-chick to be in the game somehow.

Make it Amy then, she pre-dates Knuckles anyway.


thats not the SEGA Scream, thats just SAY-GAH.

there are 2 versions of the real sega scream, but i dont remember what games they proceed.

...and of course theres also the little japanese girl singing SAYYYYY-GAHHHH. (my fav)

:cool:

Yeah, a few have it in the intro, can only think of is Metal Head off hand.

[gamegenie]

What if they call it Sonic the Hedgehog 4

[ThugsRook]

What if they call it Sonic the Hedgehog 4
again? ;)

[17daysolderthannes]

again? ;)

Oh come on, that's fake as hell

[Dirt Ball Gamer]

I love the yellow spine on 32x game boxes. It makes the game look like you should use caution when playing it, bc it's just so powerful.. Danger!! This game is no regular genesis title, the Blast processing has been upgraded to extreme levels. Warning! Regular users of SNES products may experience seizures or convulsions when attempting to use project Mars.

[ThugsRook]

Oh come on, that's fake as hell
well of course its fake, at best prototype box art.

my point is that every Sonic since S3 has been called Sonic4 at some point during developement.

to be accurate, wouldnt it need to be called Sonic 11??? :D

[acdc]

so i have to thank nintendo
for a new sonic game
hmmm maybe im gonna buy a nes

[Dirt Ball Gamer]

It isn't prototype art it is the US cover of sonic cd with a 32x border and a big 4 on it.

[Da_Shocker]

I love the yellow spine on 32x game boxes. It makes the game look like you should use caution when playing it, bc it's just so powerful.. Danger!! This game is no regular genesis title, the Blast processing has been upgraded to extreme levels. Warning! Regular users of SNES products may experience seizures or convulsions when attempting to use project Mars.

LOL that sounds like an old SoA marketing ploy.

Anyways i've been clamoring for a 2D Sonic game since the Saturn came out. And we all know how well that went. It has been 15 years since I played a great Sonic game. SA for the DC was merely good IMO.

[kool kitty89]

at best prototype box art.

It's (barely) modified US Sonic CD box art, so I doubt that. ;)

[Melf]

I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being a downloadable title for XBLA, PSN, and WiiWare.

Wait! I know what it is!

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=48756&stc=1&d=1252594749

[Baloo]

I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being a downloadable title for XBLA, PSN, and WiiWare.

Wait! I know what it is!

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=48756&stc=1&d=1252594749

That is awesome.

[Rusty Venture]

The least Sega could have done was made "Sonic in a sombrero".

That I'd at least play.

[PimpUigi]

TBH I'm disappointed for now.

"The Return of Speed"
This is probably the opposite of the truth.
Sonic's 2D games weren't fast. (sans Sonic CD)
Mario could run that fast, all he had to do was hold down a button.
(of course Sonic games blow Mario's away anyway IMHO)

Sonic Adventure came out, and Sonic was finally fast. So was Tails...
Though Sonic spent his time slowing down in every mediocre 3D Sonic game after that, he just got slower, and slower, every game.
Just like Rouge's breasts get smaller every game after Sonic Adventure 2.
Even a slight bit smaller in SA2:B

Sonic Unleashed came out, and Sonic is now by far and away the fastest video game character I can think of.
He's faster than Extreme G/Top Gear/F-Zero racing games, and those are vehicles...not characters.

I was hoping the next Sonic game would be like Sonic Unleashed.
Except, no fighting levels, twice the speed levels, and let Tails play in those speed levels as well...as he truly should be, and hasn't been since SA1...a clone of Sonic who can fly.

5% faster than HD Unleashed
SD Unleashed's controls and physics
Give Tails boost
Give Tails the homing attack
Give Tails fast flying speed similar to SA1 (though faster, to keep up with his running speed)
Don't give Tails the light speed dash...(this will let them be able to access certain parts of levels that the other can't)
60 levels (Twenty zones, three acts each, each with a boss at the end of the last act.
First act is a huge act, second and third acts are smaller, just like how Sonic Unleashed HD did it.
That's 120 levels counting Sonic and Tails being both playable)
Perfect Sonic 3D game.

I've already got amazing 2D Sonic games I can play all the time.
Sonic CD, or Sonic 3 & Knuckles most likely won't ever be topped.
I would say Sonic CD, but it had flaws...short levels (I like that actually) easy/lack of bottomless and spike pits, and the real flaw...you had no reason to go to the bad future, unlike every other time.
You have to start in the present, makes sense...
You have to go to the past to destroy the two evil machines...
You can then go to the good future, and experience a close to enemyless level...
No reason to go to the bad future though.
A good reason could have been...Metal Sonic is in the bad future in every level, and you have to defeat him before you can actually enter the special stage at the end of the zone...that would have been cool.
Sonic CD had the best Sonic special stage ever too. Great game.

I'm on board though.
Just really disappointed.
Especially at the idea Sonic will be slower than in Sonic Unleashed HD.

[QuickSciFi]

^Looks like you've been meaning to get that off your chest for a while. Congrats. You can breathe now.

Welcome to sega-16. Now, don't spam us.;)

[PimpUigi]

I lurk mostly.
Been reading for a while.

[TheEdge]

Does anyone remember Sonic and the Black Knight? I just remembered it a second ago and boy did it bomb.

[Da_Shocker]

Does anyone remember Sonic and the Black Knight? I just remembered it a second ago and boy did it bomb.

Was that the Sonic RPG?

[gamegenie]

well of course its fake, at best prototype box art.

my point is that every Sonic since S3 has been called Sonic4 at some point during developement.

to be accurate, wouldnt it need to be called Sonic 11??? :D

to me a real Sonic the Hedgehog 4 would have to be on the Genesis.


Like if you really want to experience a real Sonic sequel to the original trilogy the only way you can do this would be to play it through the Genesis.



It be a special Genesis cartridge similar to the Virtua Racing cart, except this cart would be far more advanced, it's on CPU and GPU on chip and be utilizing a very large amount of memory banking to hold 64,000 megabits.

:)

[NRGS]

SO HELP ME IS THAT MAIN SCREEN IMAGE TURNS OUT TO BE Espio the Chameleon...I will lose all faith and hope in sega

[NeoVamp]

Does anyone remember Sonic and the Black Knight? I just remembered it a second ago and boy did it bomb.

Oh man i completely forgot about that one, I don't even remember it being released.

[NRGS]

Espio the Chameleon

[GriskaGyoran]

That is the only extra characther needed.

[The Sports Guy]

I refuse to get my hopes up. I want to see game play before I believe in sonic games again.

[kool kitty89]

That is the only extra characther needed.

Nah, go ahead and include any characters created by Sonic Team produced games prior to (and possibly durring) the Saturn's existance. So from Sonic 1, 2, CD, 3&K, SegaSonic, and probably Chaotix are fine. ;) (mighty needs to make a reapearance)

[Baloo]

IMO, these are the only good Sonic characters, anyone made after these suck:

Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Dr. Robotnik (NOT THAT EGGMAN WITH THOSE GLASSES)
Mighty
Ray the Squirrel
Vector
Charmy
Espio
Amy
Scratch
Grounder
Coconuts (Cartoon Version)
Nack the Weasel
Metal Sonic
The original Freedom Fighters Team (Bunny, Antoine, Princess Sally, Rotor)
Snively

That's it, you don't need anyone else. I can tolerate Big the Cat and Chaos, but not anyone new after the Saturn came out with Metal Knuckles and Tails Doll. Those two and anyone after that save for the two exceptions can go retcon themselves

That's it. Yeah, I'm looking at you Shadow, Rouge, Cream, Silver, Dr. Eggman, any comic book characters that originated outside of the original Archie comic based off the cartoon, (yeah, you 10,000 Echindas) you guys all suck!

[17daysolderthannes]

IMO, these are the only good Sonic characters, anyone made after these suck:

Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Dr. Robotnik (NOT THAT EGGMAN WITH THOSE GLASSES)
Mighty
Ray the Squirrel
Vector
Charmy
Espio
Amy
Scratch
Grounder
Coconuts (Cartoon Version)
Nack the Weasel
Metal Sonic
The original Freedom Fighters Team (Bunny, Antoine, Princess Sally, Rotor)
Snively

That's it, you don't need anyone else. I can tolerate Big the Cat and Chaos, but not anyone new after the Saturn came out with Metal Knuckles and Tails Doll. Those two and anyone after that save for the two exceptions can go retcon themselves

That's it. Yeah, I'm looking at you Shadow, Rouge, Cream, Silver, Dr. Eggman, any comic book characters that originated outside of the original Archie comic based off the cartoon, (yeah, you 10,000 Echindas) you guys all suck!

I don't think Sega can handle that sort of freedom, so for now, lets just say Sonic-only. I don't want to play "Antoine's Snail Hunt" mini-game.

[jerry coeurl]

Fuck every character that isn't Sonic, Tails or Knuckles. They can all die in a fire. Also, no voices. Sonic has become exponentially less cool with every passing game since they decided he had to give embarrassing speeches about the power of friendship.

[GriskaGyoran]

I say we need the old Pingas Robotnik back. I second a mostly silent Sonic though. No more speeches, no more 20 year old guy who didn't have puberty doing the voice, no more things that turned sonic from a quiet badass into a standard 'I never shut up' teen. Grounder and Scratch are fine, as are Tails, Knuckles and not Amy. Amy, Rouge and Cream/Vanilla were created to please those into furries.

[Insert Coins]

All I want is a Pingas Robotnik game.

That's I've ever wanted.

:(

[kool kitty89]

IMO, these are the only good Sonic characters, anyone made after these suck:

Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Dr. Robotnik (NOT THAT EGGMAN WITH THOSE GLASSES)
Mighty
Ray the Squirrel
Vector
Charmy
Espio
Amy
Scratch
Grounder
Coconuts (Cartoon Version)
Nack the Weasel
Metal Sonic
The original Freedom Fighters Team (Bunny, Antoine, Princess Sally, Rotor)
Snively

That's it, you don't need anyone else. I can tolerate Big the Cat and Chaos, but not anyone new after the Saturn came out with Metal Knuckles and Tails Doll. Those two and anyone after that save for the two exceptions can go retcon themselves

That's it. Yeah, I'm looking at you Shadow, Rouge, Cream, Silver, Dr. Eggman, any comic book characters that originated outside of the original Archie comic based off the cartoon, (yeah, you 10,000 Echindas) you guys all suck!

Umm, AoSTH character are fine (really those three lackeys were the only main characters not directly adapted from Sonic Team's roster -except coconuts -sot of)

But I wouldn't get into SatAM/Archie Comics, as cool as they are (I grew up with mostly AoSTH though) they offer way too many characters, and as of 2005 there's a spinoff comic based on Sonic X (not a manga, another Archie comic in a different demention with occasional crossovers), that and there's way too much "fandom" with that series.
In any case, I think the random adventures and general style of AoSTH much more closely matches the 16-bit sonic games.

And everyone seems to forget Metal Sonic...


I don't think Sega can handle that sort of freedom, so for now, lets just say Sonic-only. I don't want to play "Antoine's Snail Hunt" mini-game.

Heh, not really related, but the snail refrence made me think of something else. How about that old SMS "snail maze" in the bios (of those without built in games), as arevamed bonus game! :lol:


Fuck every character that isn't Sonic, Tails or Knuckles. They can all die in a fire. Also, no voices. Sonic has become exponentially less cool with every passing game since they decided he had to give embarrassing speeches about the power of friendship.

Umm, I think you should at least include Metal Sonic and Amy, Sonic CD does predate Sonic 3 after all...


All I want is a Pingas Robotnik game.

That's I've ever wanted.

:(

Even if it was an FMV game on the Sega CD made with clips from the cartoon? :mrgreen:

Though, having clips of the old show as cutscenes could have been cool. (given the low quality, rather low color animation in AoSTH, it probably wouldn't have looked that bad on the Sega CD either)

Wait... for this, go all out: FMV AoSTH game as a 32XCD exclusive! (actually the video would probably look pretty nice in that case)

[PimpUigi]

Aww come on, what do we have against Rouge the Bat??

Granted I agree with the rest of everything else that was said.

I like to see huge breasts while I play Sonic.
; )
And my wife won't stand next to the TV while I play either, so that's not an option.
: (

[j_factor]

Rouge is just fanservice because they figure most Sonic fans are furries. They got that right, but they forgot that most furries are gay.

[Rusty Venture]

Rouge is a pretty damn worthless character.

"But knuckles needed a nemesis/fuck buddy"

No he didn't. That is just SonicTeam justification for adding yet another character to a game that didn't need more characters.

The only character introduced in the "Adventure" series of games that wasn't over the top annoying was Big Cat, and they fucked that character up in the US by making him some slow dimwit instead of some mellow surfer dude.

[PimpUigi]

I agree Big the Cat was the best character introduced...he was even voiced by Duke Nukem...

I don't agree Knuckles needed a fuck buddy, but I completely agree that Sonic games lacked big breasts, and Rouge fills that roll.

I also don't think most furries are gay, but that's just an opinion I guess.

[kool kitty89]

some mellow surfer dude.

Hurly (from LOST) came to mind when you mention Big in that context. :p



I also don't think most furries are gay, but that's just an opinion I guess.

This is completely off topic, but from what I know, that seems true, but still a much higher portion seem to be than in the general population. (statisically speaking)

[Rusty Venture]

I just find it strange that you feel the need to turn to a Sonic game to get your "big breast fix".

It's not "I like big boobies, where's a pic of Jennifer Love Hewitt!" its "I like big boobies, and this Sonic character has them. Score!!"

[PimpUigi]

JLH is hot too.
: )
But she's not going to show up in Sonic cinema.

...Rouge's are bigger anyway.
I think I'll put that comment as my sig.
That's too funny. LMAO

[gamegenie]

Umm, AoSTH character are fine (really those three lackeys were the only main characters not directly adapted from Sonic Team's roster -except coconuts -sot of)

But I wouldn't get into SatAM/Archie Comics, as cool as they are (I grew up with mostly AoSTH though) they offer way too many characters, and as of 2005 there's a spinoff comic based on Sonic X (not a manga, another Archie comic in a different demention with occasional crossovers), that and there's way too much "fandom" with that series.
In any case, I think the random adventures and general style of AoSTH much more closely matches the 16-bit sonic games.

And everyone seems to forget Metal Sonic...



Heh, not really related, but the snail refrence made me think of something else. How about that old SMS "snail maze" in the bios (of those without built in games), as arevamed bonus game! :lol:



Umm, I think you should at least include Metal Sonic and Amy, Sonic CD does predate Sonic 3 after all...



Even if it was an FMV game on the Sega CD made with clips from the cartoon? :mrgreen:

Though, having clips of the old show as cutscenes could have been cool. (given the low quality, rather low color animation in AoSTH, it probably wouldn't have looked that bad on the Sega CD either)

Wait... for this, go all out: FMV AoSTH game as a 32XCD exclusive! (actually the video would probably look pretty nice in that case)

Stratch and Grounder were also in Sonic 2, I don't believe they had those names though, but Grounder was definitely in that Aqua Hills level, and Scratch was in Wing Fortress.

I always thought SEGA should have followed AoSTH on their Sonic games following the Genesis era. That cartoon was so fresh and funny, it still is to this day. Sonic cartoons now are lame like it's games. :|

[jerry coeurl]

Umm, I think you should at least include Metal Sonic and Amy, Sonic CD does predate Sonic 3 after all...

I don't care if they include Amy as long as she isn't a playable character. And she doesn't talk. No one should talk. Metal Sonic would be fine too as long as he was included as a villain.

The only playable characters should be Sonic, Tails and Knuckles. So long as they don't fuck up the gametypes, you've got all of your bases covered right there. And no gem finding bullshit. I think the reason most of the 3D games have been lackluster is that they focus on way too many disparate gametypes instead of just crafting ONE that's fun to play.

[17daysolderthannes]

All I want is a Pingas Robotnik game.

That's I've ever wanted.

:(



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUcStKmWlzY

MY BOI! This game is what all true warriors strive for, if you need instructions, please refer the enclosed instruction book. You know what they say, "all toasters toast toast!"


if you don't understand this, please refer to the enclosed youtube poop:

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[Rusty Venture]

Most of that Youtube poop is appropriately named.

[PimpUigi]

Can't talk though?
Seriously, it's 2009...no one would stand for that.

Mario and Luigi talk...

[17daysolderthannes]

Most of that Youtube poop is appropriately named.

you have to be well versed in the source material to appreciate youtube poop.

[17daysolderthannes]

Can't talk though?
Seriously, it's 2009...no one would stand for that.

Mario and Luigi talk...

why does he need to talk? FMV cutscenes need to be restricted to no more than 1 minute for the intro and 10 seconds anywhere else. The story should unfold as part of the gameplay, not as some left field cutscene that interrupts gameplay. If I want to passively watch something, that is what TV, movies, and youtube is for. Better silent then fucking lame as hell. I can't think of a voice for Sonic that wouldn't dork up the experience.

[Rusty Venture]

you have to be well versed in the source material to appreciate youtube poop.

The stuff I've seen is usually something animated with some words poorly edited into it in an attempt to be clever or funny.

Considering I've never once cracked a smile at this crap, I say someone failed pretty goddamn hard.

[kool kitty89]

Stratch and Grounder were also in Sonic 2, I don't believe they had those names though, but Grounder was definitely in that Aqua Hills level, and Scratch was in Wing Fortress.

I always thought SEGA should have followed AoSTH on their Sonic games following the Genesis era. That cartoon was so fresh and funny, it still is to this day. Sonic cartoons now are lame like it's games. :|

Oh, wow, that makes that cartoon even more accurate to the games. :D (but is coconuts just in sonic 3/knuckles or was he in Sonic 2 as well)

I really need to play though Sonic 2 and keep an eye out. ;) (as some probably know I didn't grow up with a Genesis, so a lot of this is fairly new to me still)

[17daysolderthannes]

The stuff I've seen is usually something animated with some words poorly edited into it in an attempt to be clever or funny.

Considering I've never once cracked a smile at this crap, I say someone failed pretty goddamn hard.

Personally, I find it hilarious. The way they take really terrible/campy old cartoons and make them say unbelievably off the wall stuff using nothing but available sound bites is just awesome. Many are REALLY bad as there's no regulation as to who can do it, but the ones that are good are f'n awesome. Then again, I find reoccuring inside jokes funnier than anything else, and that's exactly what every youtube poop is (DINNER, MY BOI, PINGAS, MAMA LUIGI, etc.).

this is one of my favorites, if you don't like this, you will never enjoy Youtube Poop and you are a horrible shell of a human being:

jmIAM-hnEjQ

[kool kitty89]

Honestly I didn't think that one was that funny, I much prefer the ones that are completely random like these:

Edit: nevermid it seems like the "mario denies" video I liked was taken down...

[17daysolderthannes]

Honestly I didn't think that one was that funny, I much prefer the ones that are completely random like these:

Edit: nevermid it seems like the "mario denies" video I liked was taken down...

the ones with random flashing lights and distorted sound? I hate those, those ruin the YTP scene for me.

[Baloo]

I like an occasional YTP, most aren't that great, but I always liked this one:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/AEuG4fpY1JE&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/AEuG4fpY1JE&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[kool kitty89]

the ones with random flashing lights and distorted sound? I hate those, those ruin the YTP scene for me.


No, the one I was thinking of was kind of like these, but without all the nickelodeon/CTN/DisneyChannel stuff in there...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LrKkJCwCIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJiZdBQI-dc
(the second one I've seen before, when I saw my favorite one which is now missing, and this one's not as good, and that 1st one above I don't like at all...)

[Rusty Venture]

You youngins and yer Youtube poop.

GET OFF MY LAWN!

[Insert Coins]

xUcStKmWlzY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUcStKmWlzY

MY BOI! This game is what all true warriors strive for, if you need instructions, please refer the enclosed instruction book. You know what they say, "all toasters toast toast!"


if you don't understand this, please refer to the enclosed youtube poop:

K1yneJSJx3E

IIApQW9Mxbc

Like everyone, I love a good Robotnik poop, but I love these ones that use non-meme material. Such as the above.

Tanks for the links.

[Rusty Venture]

YTMND stuff is funny, this stuff......nope.

I guess you guys are gonna have to tell me when this shit starts getting funny.

[Insert Coins]

YTMND stuff is funny, this stuff......nope.

I guess you guys are gonna have to tell me when this shit starts getting funny.

PROTIP: LOLcats are no longer funny.

[j_factor]

LOLcats were never funny.

[Rusty Venture]

PROTIP: LOLcats are no longer funny.

They were funny?

[Insert Coins]

They were funny?

For a brief moment on /b/.

Advice Dogs however, are funny.

[Knuckle Duster]

See what happens when lolcats & advice dogs are mentioned together like on 4chan? ;)
Spambots...
Save the world...Kill yourself.

[Phexar]

Ned Flanders porn? :| Rule 34 strikes again. Never thought I'd see a spambot serve that, though.

[Flygon]

I'm personally surprised some Pokemon stuff wasn't chucked up there. =\

[Rusty Venture]

I'm just glad I missed it.

[jerry coeurl]

Nothing funny has ever come from b. In fact I would argue that the whole of the "chans" have forever been an shall forever remain a blight on the internet.

[Insert Coins]

Nothing funny has ever come from b. In fact I would argue that the whole of the "chans" have forever been an shall forever remain a blight on the internet.

Regardless, 4chan impacted the culture of the Internet forever.

[jerry coeurl]

Well internet culture was already sort of like a dirty diaper. Now it's like a dirty diaper that someone threw up in.

[Rusty Venture]

That certainly was a pleasant mental image.

[PimpUigi]

Boobs to the rescue...

[Baloo]

All the chans are really furry sites, so they shant be mentioned on this forum.

[PimpUigi]

Most of the chans hate furries.
...and pro gamers.

Chans are to be avoided if you're either, and especially if you're both.
:daze:

[kool kitty89]

And the less mentioned about fchan the better...

Edit: that statement kind of contradicts itsself, doesnt it?

[TheEdge]

You guys think Project NeedleMouse is in reply to Nintendo's new 2D Mario Brothers? or do you think that Sega finally realized that everything they did after Sonic Adventure 2 on Dreamcast was a huge failure and they are starting again from square one?


http://www.destructoid.com/new-super-mario-bros-wii-as-hard-as-contra--151400.phtml

[Knuckle Duster]

You guys think Project NeedleMouse is in reply to Nintendo's new 2D Mario Brothers? or do you think that Sega finally realized that everything they did after Sonic Adventure 2 on Dreamcast was a huge failure and they are starting again from square one?


http://www.destructoid.com/new-super-mario-bros-wii-as-hard-as-contra--151400.phtml

It's an obvious reply to the successful NSMB, but I have little faith in it being anything more than a "Sonic Rivals" title without a competitive racing focus.

[TheEdge]

It's an obvious reply to the successful NSMB, but I have little faith in it being anything more than a "Sonic Rivals" title without a competitive racing focus.

Ya, I think its for the better to stay pessimistic on this one until we see screen shots. Then we can pass somewhat of a judgement on it.

[Devil N]

To be honest, I don't give a rat's ass what Sega's reasons are for this project. If it results in a great game, then I don't care. In fact, if it results in a terrible game, then I probably won't care either.

[Speedle]

if they release it on the dreamcast i'll forgive all Sega's Sins! all of them! even the 32x! (which i do love anyway... shhhhh!!!!) ;) i can dream cant I? :(

[TheEdge]

To be honest, I don't give a rat's ass what Sega's reasons are for this project. If it results in a great game, then I don't care. In fact, if it results in a terrible game, then I probably won't care either.


if they release it on the dreamcast i'll forgive all Sega's Sins! all of them! even the 32x! (which i do love anyway... shhhhh!!!!) ;) i can dream cant I? :(

I agree with both of these.......Who cares.....and we want it on Dreamcast.

[QuickSciFi]

^I agree with all three comments. :D

Also, I wouldn't mind seeing it on either the RingEdge or the RingWide arcade boards. Heck, one could consolize those units after some time. Come to think of it, I wouldn't even mind a Plug N Play of this new 2D HD Sonic title.

Just give me another console SEGA!

Ok, ok. There. I settled down. :D

[PimpUigi]

I like how everyone acts like (the speed half) Sonic Unleashed wasn't a great game or something.

[TheEdge]

I like how everyone acts like (the speed half) Sonic Unleashed wasn't a great game or something.

I think that was because people were already jaded from Sega's past Sonic failures and how the "WereHog" levels sucked.

and I'm just going off what they said because I haven't played the game.

[jerry coeurl]

I like how everyone acts like (the speed half) Sonic Unleashed wasn't a great game or something.

It's hard to respect a game when half of it absolutely blows.

[PimpUigi]

But it's the fact they nailed the vanilla Sonic levels so well that makes up for that fact.

[TheEdge]

But it's the fact they nailed the vanilla Sonic levels so well that makes up for that fact.

I must say, the "Day" levels were impressive. Didn't they create some new downloadable day levels on the Console networks for unleashed ?

[jerry coeurl]

But it's the fact they nailed the vanilla Sonic levels so well that makes up for that fact.

It really doesn't. Because you have to go through the god-awful WereHog levels to get to them them. It's like eating a shit sandwich so you can have a piece of cheesecake; sure, the cheesecake is good, but you still have to swallow a lot of crap.

I bet this 2D game is gonna have Sonic transform into a fucking vampire, just so they can cash in on the Twilight hysteria. The most embarrassing part of Unleashed though would be the fact that SEGA has absolutely no understanding of what the "were" in werewolf even means.

[Knuckle Duster]

I bet this 2D game is gonna have Sonic transform into a fucking vampire, just so they can cash in on the Twilight hysteria.

http://imgur.com/3GUnR.jpg

[TheEdge]

It really doesn't. Because you have to go through the god-awful WereHog levels to get to them them. It's like eating a shit sandwich so you can have a piece of cheesecake; sure, the cheesecake is good, but you still have to swallow a lot of crap.

That's probably why they only gave it a 5.5 / 10 ........Half a game...Half the score



I bet this 2D game is gonna have Sonic transform into a fucking vampire, just so they can cash in on the Twilight hysteria.

Great idea, I will E-mail Sega right now.

[PimpUigi]

There is downloadable content for every single country except for Eggmanland.

That's still eight downloadable content packs.

And the werehog levels weren't like eating a shit sandwhich.
They were like playing Kingdom Hearts, with Crash Bandicoot platforming added in.
So it's no wonder people didn't like it, since I don't know anyone who liked either of those games. : \
Either way, pushing through a couple night levels isn't exactly hard.
Most of the countries have 3 day acts, and 1 night act (in the 360/PS3 versions anyway)
And the Wii's night levels are short and brainless...

When one mode of a game is amazing and great, and that mode accounts for over half of the game, I'd say it's more than worth it to get the game for that half.

And the game plays like the old Genesis/Sega CD sonics, but in 3D.
It's what people asked for, but it was too late, so people didn't notice.

[TheEdge]

There is downloadable content for every single country except for Eggmanland.

That's still eight downloadable content packs.

And the werehog levels weren't like eating a shit sandwhich.
They were like playing Kingdom Hearts, with Crash Bandicoot platforming added in.
So it's no wonder people didn't like it, since I don't know anyone who liked either of those games. : \
Either way, pushing through a couple night levels isn't exactly hard.
Most of the countries have 3 day acts, and 1 night act (in the 360/PS3 versions anyway)
And the Wii's night levels are short and brainless...

When one mode of a game is amazing and great, and that mode accounts for over half of the game, I'd say it's more than worth it to get the game for that half.

And the game plays like the old Genesis/Sega CD sonics, but in 3D.
It's what people asked for, but it was too late, so people didn't notice.

Good points all around and your last statement sums it up perfectly.

[kool kitty89]

Ok, I thought someone had already posted that, but it looks like it hasn't, so:
http://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452033569e20120a5b6d54c970c-800wi

:lol:

[PimpUigi]

I thought I saw that here...certainly funny enough for a repost if it was here anyway.
It also makes me think of Fang/Knack the Weasel.

[Dirt Ball Gamer]

So people who actually played unleashed how did sonic actually become a werehog, did it show him being bitten by a werewolf?

[kool kitty89]

No, I think Eggman (grr) zapped him with some machin in th einto scene, and somic transforms when int he dark, but is normal in the light/daytime.

[Dirt Ball Gamer]

Wow, ok now I'm starting to understand why people hate this game. Why would you shoot your arch nemesis with a Ray that turns them into a werewolf? That is some messed up logic.

[QuickSciFi]

This topic is starting to make me feel really old. ;). I haven't played any Sonic title since Sonic Adventure 2 for the Dreamcast. I feel a bit outdated with all these Sonic Configurations/Transformations and newer side characters.

[kool kitty89]

Wow, ok now I'm starting to understand why people hate this game. Why would you shoot your arch nemesis with a Ray that turns them into a werewolf? That is some messed up logic.

Umm, it makes a bit more sense than that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN0ErzkJfPc
UN0ErzkJfPc

It was my little brother that played it mostly, he says he could barely stand parts of the daytime levels, mainly due to having to hit button combinations with perfect timing. He says the "werehog" stages were OK, and the Wii version lacks the annoying annoying adventure/wandering overworls stages just spent talking to people in town. (it has a simple map screen instead, with word bubbles for speach rather than annoying peoples' voice acting) The GC controlls are also a lot better than wiimote+nunchuck. Chip is worse than Navi though (and omochao), but apparently shows up much less in the Wii version than 360/PS3. (mainly in cutscenes and training stages)

[PimpUigi]

Sonic turns into a werehog because of the earth breaking apart, which releases Dark and Light Gaia.

Dark Gaia makes everyone evil at night, and transforms Sonic into the Werehog.
But because Sonic has so much good in his heart, he doesn't become evil at night like everyone else.

Also the intro has to be some of the best cinematics I've ever seen.
There's even a Sega Dreamcast hidden in the intro.
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3295/sonicunleashedscreencap.png

[jerry coeurl]

That's a very stupid plot. Even for a recent Sonic game.

[NeoVamp]

That's a very stupid plot. Even for a recent Sonic game.

At least there weren't any swords involved.


... I think..

Since i too haven't played a Sonic game since Sonic Adventure 2 (and i never even played both of them that much)

[PimpUigi]

Yea, I think Sega thought "It worked for Final Fantasy 7...so why can't it work for us??"

[Collision Cat]

All I want is a Pingas Robotnik game.

That's I've ever wanted.

:(
There is one, Super Robotnik Land! :p
http://superrobotnikland.blogspot.com

[PimpUigi]

And there's also "Robotnik in Sonic The Hedgehog 1" hacked rom floating around somewhere's.

[Collision Cat]

And there's also "Robotnik in Sonic The Hedgehog 1" hacked rom floating around somewhere's.
But does it have any PINGAS in it? :p

[Da_Shocker]

OK so whoever thought of the concept of turning one animal into another animal? And a bigger/stronger one at that. Seriously WTF is Sega thinking over there. And does Nintendo put Mario though shit like this. I know he has his sports spin offs and stuff but it seems like Sega is really forcing the issue here.

[matteus]

When I first played Sonic Unleashed the first part of that intro really did make me think Sega were on track... then A. Sonic spoke and B. Sonic became a Werehog.

The intro music sounds like it belongs on a Sega-CD...

[Markss]

what will this game be released on xbox live arcade?

[16-bit]

what will this game be released on xbox live arcade?

Xbox Live Arcade and PlayStation Network

[Knuckle Duster]

Xbox Live Arcade and PlayStation Network

No platform was specified for New Sonic HD, only "Rocket Knight" announced for was XBLA & PSN recently AFAIK.

Unless I'm wrong & missed an update?

[16-bit]

No platform was specified for New Sonic HD, only "Rocket Knight" announced for was XBLA & PSN recently AFAIK.

Unless I'm wrong & missed an update?

I looked it up and that must have been the Rocket Knight game I was thinking about that was for sure going to be released on XBLA and PSN. My bad :|

[Phexar]

Xbox Live Arcade and PlayStation Network


No platform was specified for New Sonic HD, only "Rocket Knight" announced for was XBLA & PSN recently AFAIK.

Unless I'm wrong & missed an update?

Actually, right now there's a suspicion that it'll be a download only relase for XBLA and PSN due to wording from an interview with Sega France. A bit vague though, not sure how much to read into it really: http://www.tssznews.com/2009/10/27/new-video-sega-france-interview-may-confirm-needlemouse-wii-shutout/


But with Project Needlemouse, I think that Sega wanted to settle [sic] demands, because there’s a lot a nostalgic gamers out there, and on XBOX Live or PSN…(pause)…you have a lot of hardcore gamers. And the old versions of Sonic games are selling very well on these platforms, so there’s a real market for these kinds of products. [...] The idea really is to finally please all these hardcore gamers, because we love them at Sega.

[TheEdge]

I'm going on record right now by saying this new Sonic game will be better then all other sonics combined.........I have spoken.

[jerry coeurl]

I'm going on record right now by saying this new Sonic game will be better then all other sonics combined.........I have spoken.

Hah! With Sega's current track record, I'll believe it when I see it. Still, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Unless you're saying that it will be better than all of the recent Sonic games combined (say, Sonic Adventure and beyond) then yeah, that might be possible. But I'll eat my hat if this is even half as good as Sonic 2.

[Ecco]

It would be kinda funny if the game was made just like the real classics, and then there was a huge backlash from kids who were only raised on the 3D Sonic games!

"Where are all the voices? It's too quiet!"

"Where are all the swords and guns? How come you can only spin???"

"How come Sonic can only transform into Super Sonic???"

"Where are all the furry friends? Can't I go fishing with Big the Cat???"

"The same plot as the original games? How unoriginal!!!"

[PimpUigi]

Not a backlash from those kids, but there'd be a backlash from all kids. Who have other games like Ratchet, Clank, what not...

Same first two questions.

[kool kitty89]

Not all kids, you forget that there are a quite a few younger gamers who enjoy, if not prefer the classics as well, games often older than them. Several of which are on this board. (like Baloo, who's only 15, same for my brother who's nuts for old games -and I know some younger kids who enjoy older games too)

[PimpUigi]

15 isn't kid like.
15 year olds are precocious.

It's the 11 year olds, 9 year olds, maybe even 13 year olds, who would wonder "WTF @ no story, plot, and how come no one speaks?"

Personally at this point, I'd find it extremely strange/Sega being half assed/lazy.

Not that I'd actually care though.
It's not like I like having games be 50 hours long, or being so story based I never touch the controller. (Final Fantasy style)

Anything over 20 is boring, and cut scenes that last over two minutes are generally drawn out and boring too.

Sonic Unleashed had really great story telling though. Cut scenes were all a nice length, they were all engaging, and pretty epic too.
They really nailed it, especially with Robotnik.

[kool kitty89]

I thought the opening cutscene was th ebest example, the voice acting was a bit better than the others (as in the quality of the acting in general, though soem were still a bit annoying) it was kind of nice to have th eplot focus on fewer character though. (Shadow the Hedgehog actually did that somewhat for what that's worth)

Some of th egameplay is tedious though, particularly if you're trying ot get higher rankings and not just complete the game. I still think the cut out "adventure" (wandering around town talking to people) portion in the Wii version is a pretty big improvement, some of the controlls still felt a bit clunky though, and I much prefer those of SA1/2. Haven't tried Secret Rings or black knight to compare though, and I'm too turned off by 2006 to seek it. (I might try it if th eoccasion arrises, just to see how it plays, but it's not something I'm planning on)

I for one generally like the gameplay in SA1/2, one of my better liked 3D platformers, I think I like the storyline in SA2 better though. (I think th evoice acting -english- is a bit better/less annoying in that one too)

[GriskaGyoran]

As I always say. Kids are stupid, ignore them. Nothing but ADHD monkeys.

[17daysolderthannes]

who gives a shit about story?

I've said it once, I'll say it again: if you play video games for story...you are retarded.

Setting is important, certainly, any game would be boring with bland backgrounds and uninspired enemies and motives, but the game should progress as a result of the ACTION, not some convoluted nonsense that I can't skip even though I'm pressing "start." Leave drawn out stories to the movie theater where it belongs, games need to involve gameplay and no more than 15-30 seconds of FMV just to spice things up every once in a while. Games are coming way too close to dissolving the line between game and movie and we are getting crap that isn't as well written or engaging as a movie nor as interactive and intense as a traditional video game. Keep em separate, that's all I'm saying.

[PimpUigi]

I have all the S ranks in both versions of Sonic Unleashed's day levels.

But they're certainly harder to get in the 360/PS3 version, I enjoyed getting them more, because the levels are very non linear in the 360/PS3 versions. Many paths to chose from.

Secret Rings sucked, so did Black Knight.
Sonic is slow in both, and controls are awful in both, and Black Knight is just plain old boring.
Secret Rings only has like 6 levels, and they just make you play the same level over and over in tedious missions.

I think Sonic Unleashed for the Wii has had the best 3D Sonic control, and 360 Sonic Unleashed has had the best Sonic speed.
If only they had combined them...

[kool kitty89]

who gives a shit about story?

I've said it once, I'll say it again: if you play video games for story...you are retarded.

Setting is important, certainly, any game would be boring with bland backgrounds and uninspired enemies and motives, but the game should progress as a result of the ACTION, not some convoluted nonsense that I can't skip even though I'm pressing "start." Leave drawn out stories to the movie theater where it belongs, games need to involve gameplay and no more than 15-30 seconds of FMV just to spice things up every once in a while. Games are coming way too close to dissolving the line between game and movie and we are getting crap that isn't as well written or engaging as a movie nor as interactive and intense as a traditional video game. Keep em separate, that's all I'm saying.
I like a game with a good, engaging storyline that, at the same time, doesn't distract from gameplay unnecessarily, I know we have different tastes (I like adventure games, from zelda to point and click, even a bit of text-based ones like the original Zork), but at the same time, I also understand the dislike for non-skippable cutscenes (which is a problem with Unleashed come to think of it), even if I do like the cutscenes, I still want to be able to skip them, especially if I've seen them before... Some RPGs (like in FF series) are bad like this.
Something like the Resident Evil Seties (or better yet, Silent Hill, especially the first 3) does this very well, I think they're skipable as well. (at least most of the time, but I can't remember for sure) Even the first RE had that cool campy, B horror movie live action style. (plus exaggeration in the realtime cutscenes as well)

At least you can skip the cutscenes in the Sonic Adventure games. (at least on GC)



I think Sonic Unleashed for the Wii has had the best 3D Sonic control, and 360 Sonic Unleashed has had the best Sonic speed.
If only they had combined them...

Withe GC (or Classic controller), right? Not wiimote? (I find it rather cumbersome, having GC+CC support is a big plus for that game)

I still didn't find the controll on par with SA, or SA2. (SA 2 often being better IMO)

[PimpUigi]

That's right with the GC controller.
I just thought it was spot on, and don't understand how it could be better.

Now HD Sonic Unleashed Sonic feels loose most of the time (yet sometimes changes to the tight control he has in the Wii, but only when he's boosting/been boosting for a while)
The slam doesn't stop you, you will usually slide along the ground instead of coming to a complete stop like Wii Unleashed
The quick steps often don't go far enough, and sometimes go too far...unlike in the Wii version, where they go the same exact distance every time.
They made the homing attack Square (or X on 360) instead of X (or A on 360) unlike Sonic Unleashed Wii...
And the air boost is the same button as the homing attack, so you basically can't homing attack nothing, like you can on the Wii (though on the Wii it doesn't go as far as a regular homing attack with no enemy present, which I thought was pretty cool)
The boost also let you turn much better on the Wii version I thought, but I'm not 100% sure about that anymore.

The one thing the HD Sonic Unleashed controls better with though, your regular jump can kill enemies.
In Wii Unleashed, regular jump can't kill enemies...which is screwed up.

PS
The graphics on Sonic himself are much better on the Wii version.
They gave him a nicer skin/texture.

PPS
I believe you can skip the cut scenes on the 360/PS3 version, I will have to check.
I also thought it was annoying not being able to skip the cut scenes on the Wii, especially since I had seen them already.
The intro is vertically cut on the 360 and PS3 versions of the game too, so Wii got the best intro.
Wii also had true wide screen, while 360 and PS3 just cut off the top and bottom of the screen.

[TheEdge]

Hah! With Sega's current track record, I'll believe it when I see it. Still, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Unless you're saying that it will be better than all of the recent Sonic games combined (say, Sonic Adventure and beyond) then yeah, that might be possible. But I'll eat my hat if this is even half as good as Sonic 2.

I mean the most recent ones. Anything after Sonic Adventure 1 & 2. :cool: Make sure you put some salt and pepper on that hat before you munch it down. mUHAHAHAH

[jerry coeurl]

I mean the most recent ones. Anything after Sonic Adventure 1 & 2. :cool: Make sure you put some salt and pepper on that hat before you munch it down. mUHAHAHAH

Oh, yeah. I can see that, everything after SA 1 & 2 has pretty much been dogshit. I want this game to be better than dogshit, but I just don't want to get my hopes up for any Sonic game ever again until it's in my system and I'm playing it. Sonic Heroes was probably the most disappointing purchase I've ever made. I still can't believe I spent fifty dollars on that turd.

I think an epic story can be told without words, S3&K anyone? I don't see why videogame characters need to speak. Mario hasn't ever said more than "mamma mia" and his games are still completely enjoyable. I like the fact that the plots to his games are pretty barebones, as opposed to the embarrassing "power of friendship" abominations that the last few Sonic games have tried to pass off as a story.

[Honey the Cat]

What about Sonic Rush?

[jerry coeurl]

Everyone craps their pants over Sonic Rush, but I don't see it. I was never compelled to finish it, it just seemed like a "formula" game. They were trying to emulate the older Sonic games, but something is really missing. I think a big part of it is the level design, which I find severely lacking. The soundtrack, while interesting, is nothing to ejaculate over unless you're a serious Hideki Naganuma sycophant. Which I'm not.

Basically, I don't really think there's been a good 2D Sonic game since Sonic Pocket Adventure, which was more of a remix of Sonic 2 than anything. I've found all of the Sonic Advance games, if not the very definition of mediocre, then just plain ol' boring. They just seem so lazy and placating to me.

[Honey the Cat]

All I want is a Pingas Robotnik game.

That's I've ever wanted.

:(

Your wish is granted if you have WinRar or 7Zip.

xUcStKmWlzY

[kool kitty89]

Your wish is granted if you have WinRar or 7Zip.

You know that's already been posted at least twice before... :p

[Phexar]

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=109673

Seems Project Needlemouse is indeed download only. :( I'm hoping for WiiWare at least, but that's not looking too likely.

[j_factor]

Lame.

[TmEE]

physical media, I want physical media (and something to play that on :P)

[NeoVamp]

http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2010/01/11/project-needlemouse-character-countdown-day-1/



This week, we’re going to reveal a full list of playable characters in Project Needlemouse
- if you guys can live up to our oldschool Sonic challenge, that is!



http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1220/image1fhn.jpg


I lolled at that quote, like they even know what oldschool Sonic is about anymore.

Sega : MOAR FRIENDS MEANS MORE CLASSIC GAMEPLAY!

[Guntz]

Project Needlemouse is slowly starting to smell of failure. :)


Each name on the picture above is a potential playable character in Project Needlemouse. However, not all of them are going to make the cut – and each day this week until Friday, we’re going to update this picture with a rejected stamp over those who will not actually be showing up!

Let's hope nobody shows up, including Mr. Needlemouse. Though I find it odd how Tails and Knuckles aren't on the list. *raises eyebrow*


You have just under 20 hours from the time of this posting to reach 100 correct replies, or 250 for the bonus point! Good luck - the Needlemouse challenge begins now!

I find it amusing how there's over 700 comments on that article.

[FoxHound]

DL only, who ever is calling the shots at SEGA should be slapped

[NeoVamp]

Mr. Needlemouse http://www.sega-16.com/forum/images/icons/yuck.gif

[PimpUigi]

Tails needs to be there if they're actually having other playable characters.
Having Shadow in any game is fail. Sucks that Rouge didn't make the list either, so obviously no breasts for anyone.

The only good character on the list is Big The Cat.
Duke Nukem in Sonic The Hedgehog FTW

: \

"and if you meet that challenge, we’ll remove more names from the picture"
Is this a joke? They know no one wants names in the picture at all, and they're teasing us about it?

IMHO very funny.
LMAO

[Eric83]

Let's hope nobody shows up, including Mr. Needlemouse. Though I find it odd how Tails and Knuckles aren't on the list. *raises eyebrow*





http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4015/4268720261_9d873179ee_o.jpg

By Friday or whenever this blog thing ends, everybody is going to get rejected except Sonic.

Tails and Knuckles aren't on the list because they aren't going to be rejected. They will be the unlock-able secret bonus. At least I hope. I like Tails and Knuckles.

[TmEE]

I want a game with Tails which plays exactly like Tails' stages in SA2.... that would be an awesome game... and it would be more awesome if the enemies are these countless amounts of weird extra characters that the series gets all the time.

[PimpUigi]

Ew.

Tails has been such crap since SA1...they really need to return him to being a Sonic clone that can fly, boost, and do everything Sonic can, except for the Light/ring speed dash.

[jerry coeurl]

Ew.

Tails has been such crap since SA1...they really need to return him to being a Sonic clone that can fly, boost, and do everything Sonic can, except for the Light/ring speed dash.

Agreed, I think they nailed his levels in SA. I hated the slow-ass mech shit in SA2, that's the last thing anyone needs in a Sonic game.

[SketchTurner94]

I had hope for this... I actually did. But no. Turns out this is another "new Sonic" bastardization. We don't want to play as an "edgier" version of Sonic. We don't want to talk to a hedgehog who loves Sonic like fat emo girls love Twilight. The last thing we need is a new friend. We want classic Sonic. We want a return to the catchy, funky beats that captured our minds, not the Crush-40 pop-rock stuff. We want a return to Sonic, the lone hero, and his best friend, Tails. Maybe some Knuckles too. Make Robotnik as a final enemy, not some water creature or a dark god.

Quit the gimmicks, Sonic Team. Keep it simple. Maybe then you'll return Sonic to his glory.

[Ecco]

Wow this game took a turn for horrible.

Download only. No system named. The Sega blog is awful and we just have to wait and see how many characters they screw up the game with. Obviously "Sonic's New Friend Dr. Needlemouse" will be in the game, and I think we can guess how cool he is by his awesome name. Let me guess what kind of character he is, based on his name: Maybe a scientist who helps Sonic, the good equivalent of Dr. Robotnik?

The trivia questions gimmick is ridiculous. It's just to get a buzz going over the elements of the original Sonic games, and then Needlemouse will finally be released and it will be nothing like the originals, and everyone will be disappointed yet again! The Sonic Cycle continues to turn!

[Guntz]

The Sonic Cycle continues to turn!

Yep, isn't it funny how every new Sonic game, some of us think the Sonic Cycle will actually be wrong for once!

The 'Cycle still holds true... :cool:

[Phexar]

Obviously "Sonic's New Friend Dr. Needlemouse" will be in the game, and I think we can guess how cool he is by his awesome name.

Mr. Needlemouse. And that was the original codename for Sonic the Hedgehog... just as Project Needlemouse is the codename for this particular project, which was probably chosen to hint towards this game being like the original.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(character)

Sega wanted a game capable of selling over one million copies and a character to replace Alex Kidd as the company's mascot. Several character designs were submitted by its AM8 research & development department, including an armadillo (which then developed into Mighty the Armadillo), a dog, a Theodore Roosevelt look-alike in pajamas (which would later be the basis of Eggman's design), and a rabbit (intended to use its extendible ears to collect objects; these aspects were later incorporated into Ristar). Eventually, Naoto Ōshima's spiky teal hedgehog, initially codenamed "Mr Needlemouse", was chosen as the new mascot.

Anyway. They could still be trolling their fans and intend on crossing out everyone but Sonic. I wouldn't be surprised and I think it's too early to call the Sonic cycle just yet, as the 'full list of playable characters' could simply consist of Sonic himself, and Tails & Knuckles not being on the list does make me particularly suspicious about the matter... they're an obvious pick for extra characters in a 'classic' Sonic game. We shall have to wait it out and see.

[kool kitty89]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4015/4268720261_9d873179ee_o.jpg

By Friday or whenever this blog thing ends, everybody is going to get rejected except Sonic.

Tails and Knuckles aren't on the list because they aren't going to be rejected. They will be the unlock-able secret bonus. At least I hope. I like Tails and Knuckles.

Huh, Espio wasn't on the list either. (though the rest of the Chaotix guys were, save Mighty of course)

Amy does predate Knuckles, and even Tails sort of. (with Sonic CD starting dveleopment sooner, though being delayed and released later, and separately from STI's Sonic 2 development) Granted, she didn't get that name until later (Rosie originally), and more importantly, wasn't playable. ;)


Mr. Needlemouse. And that was the original codename for Sonic the Hedgehog... just as Project Needlemouse is the codename for this particular project, which was probably chosen to hint towards this game being like the original.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(character)


Anyway. They could still be trolling their fans and intend on crossing out everyone but Sonic. I wouldn't be surprised and I think it's too early to call the Sonic cycle just yet, as the 'full list of playable characters' could simply consist of Sonic himself, and Tails & Knuckles not being on the list does make me particularly suspicious about the matter... they're an obvious pick for extra characters in a 'classic' Sonic game. We shall have to wait it out and see.
I'm glad someone finally pointed that out. ;)

[j_factor]

Who the fuck are Shade and Chip?

If Froggy is a playable character, I quit.

[NeoVamp]

They could still be trolling their fans and intend on crossing out everyone but Sonic.

Thats what i first thought, but then i remembered that this is Sega we're talking about. :p

[Ecco]

Mr. Needlemouse. And that was the original codename for Sonic the Hedgehog... just as Project Needlemouse is the codename for this particular project, which was probably chosen to hint towards this game being like the original.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(character)

Ha thanks. Why did I read it as Dr. instead of Mr. Needlemouse? Good info on the background of the name "Needlemouse." Okay I feel slightly better about this game.



Anyway. They could still be trolling their fans and intend on crossing out everyone but Sonic. I wouldn't be surprised and I think it's too early to call the Sonic cycle just yet, as the 'full list of playable characters' could simply consist of Sonic himself, and Tails & Knuckles not being on the list does make me particularly suspicious about the matter... they're an obvious pick for extra characters in a 'classic' Sonic game. We shall have to wait it out and see.

I really want Sega to surprise us with this one, release an amazing game, and destroy the Sonic cycle! It's just that so far, I'm already discouraged by the Sega blog, the trivia questions, the drawn-out gimmick with the characters etc.... Hmm but yeah, maybe they'll only include Sonic in the end... Maybe it will be great!:daze:

[Christuserloeser]

Who is devloping this game ?

[Phexar]

Amy does predate Knuckles, and even Tails sort of.

Interestingly, Vector was actually part of the scrapped Sonic 1 Sound test, making him older than one would think, too.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/c/c0/Band.jpg


Who the fuck are Shade and Chip?

Shade is a character from Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood for the Nintendo DS:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/e/e6/Sonicchronicles_shade.jpg

Their unmasked in-game art is here: http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/File:Shade_unmasked.jpg

Chip is a character from Sonic Unleashed:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/5/57/0146_sonic_unleashed.png


the drawn-out gimmick with the characters etc....

They did draw out the revelation of Ryo Hazuki in Sonic & Sega All Stars racing before. They wouldn't give out the last key word of the mystery phrase pointing that he was in the game until the very end. So they have messed around with this sort of trickery in recent times.


Who is devloping this game ?

I do not believe that has been revealed yet, unfortunately.

[The Sports Guy]

I always, always, took Tails off. He's so boring and just gets in the way. I did like the Knuckles/Sonic drama though.

[Guntz]

Hey, anybody consider Ristar being the character in the silhouette?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Ristar_cover_EU.jpg/250px-Ristar_cover_EU.jpg

[cabear]

why couldn't it just be that robotnik was enslaving animals into the robotic enemies and he's trying to take over sonic's area like the first one.

Shit Mario's been saving the princess for awhile now, why can't sonic just be out to save the birds, rabbits and squirrels and stop robotonik again?

[Da_Shocker]

Mario doesn't go through this bullshit does he?

[kool kitty89]

Hey, anybody consider Ristar being the character in the silhouette?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Ristar_cover_EU.jpg/250px-Ristar_cover_EU.jpg

Hey, you're right, it does look like that. :D

[PimpUigi]

IMHO Sonic Unleashed already broke the cycle.

You play as Sonic only, and if you get the HD version of the game, there's more than enough speed levels to take up your time with the challenging "hot dog" missions, and S ranking everything.

The medals in the day levels are even the hardest medals to get, and that gives you more incentive to explore them, rather than just finding the best way to go through each of them.

Great game indeed.

SD version wasn't as vast with the day levels, but they were still fun.
SD's Eggmanland was even better than the HD version.

They also removed all the hub worlds, and made the fighting levels extra short and easy, and on top of that, Speed Sonic is already at max level, and has all his power ups.

It's like they made SD Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Unleashed 2!
All the levels pick up where the HD levels end, and most of the bosses do as well.

Sonic Unleashed 1 & 2 (AKA HD, and SD) broke the Sonic cycle for me.
Just have to ignore the night levels, and you've got a 3D Sonic game that plays like the Genesis versions.

I wish more people gave it a chance.

The Sonic cycle seems like it happened to the game.

1. People got their hopes up only seeing Sonic.

2. People got worried seeing Chip, and the Werehog.

3. Reviewers slammed the game harder than ever before.

4. There was massive disappointment in the knowledge of the Night levels taking up half the game.

5. Fans who didn't get the game swear they'll never be fooled...

but,

6. Fans who get the game are shocked at how blazingly fast Sonic has become. Probably the fastest he'll ever be.

7. Fans suffer through night levels, and then concentrate only on speed levels, realizing that 50% of the game being speed levels is the most Sonic they've ever gotten in a 3D Sonic game, and more over, the Speed Levels play like the Genesis Sonic games.

8. Many Sonic fans feel betrayed by reviewers not pointing these things out.

In fact, I'm going to go play Sonic Unleashed as soon as I get off the internet.

[kool kitty89]

6. Fans who get the game are shocked at how blazingly fast Sonic has become. Probably the fastest he'll ever be.

7. Fans suffer through night levels, and then concentrate only on speed levels, realizing that 50% of the game being speed levels is the most Sonic they've ever gotten in a 3D Sonic game, and more over, the Speed Levels play like the Genesis Sonic games.

8. Many Sonic fans feel betrayed by reviewers not pointing these things out.

In fact, I'm going to go play Sonic Unleashed as soon as I get off the internet.

The cinematics were also pretty nice.

However, I liked SA1 and 2 more, but again, I'm more of a 3D platformer fan in general, it's just more fun for me. (the multiplayer in SA2 was pretty good too)

I haven't tried Secret Rings or Black Knight though. (I think Secret Rings was supposted to be the better of those 2) I really don't care to try STH'06 from all indications, Heros was meh, I actually kid of liked Shadoe the Hedgehog though, but there were some annoying points, I thought it worked OK though. So far I think SA2 (or SA2B on GC) is my favorite 3D sonic title still. (the voice acting is a bit better than SA1, graphics are spiffed up, gameplay more streamlined and linear -thoughI liked the adventure aspect in SA1, controlls and camera were better, and it felt faster paced, plus I liked the story a bit more, I still wish they'd necer switched Robotnik's name to the Japanese one though, I really don't see what they had to do that)

[matteus]

This count down could go either way! Either leading to Sonic being the only character on the list! Or "SURPRISE! All of these characters will be included in our brand new game! I bet you all can't wait!"

[Eric83]

This count down could go either way! Either leading to Sonic being the only character on the list! Or "SURPRISE! All of these characters will be included in our brand new game! I bet you all can't wait!"

I still think by the time this is over Sonic will be the only one left standing. Or at least he better be the only one.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4272181838_ac0bea394e_o.jpg

[matteus]

I still think by the time this is over Sonic will be the only one left standing. Or at least he better be the only one.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4272181838_ac0bea394e_o.jpg

Unless its a big joke and they'll go "oh you didn't expect us to get rid of them really did you?" it'll have all these characters and more!

[Eric83]

Unless its a big joke and they'll go "oh you didn't expect us to get rid of them really did you?" it'll have all these characters and more!

Wait... if this ends on Friday, and they keep up the pattern of rejecting 2 characters each day we will still be left with a total of 3 characters.... now I'm getting disappointed.

If 2 other characters not named Tails or Knuckles are playable in this game I'm going to be upset. :(

[JRedmond3]

Eh, I'm okay with just Sonic, less chance that they screw things up. I want Tails and Knuckles in there but I know there's no way that they would be properly implemented into the gameplay like in Sonic 3&Knuckles.

[PimpUigi]

So basically it's coming down to Shadow, Amy, or Big The Cat.

I'd figure Amy would be playable, based on the Sonic Advance games, I'd rather her than Shadow.

Obviously Big The Cat is the best out of the three, and hasn't been featured in...way too long, considering he's voiced by Duke Nukem himself.

[kool kitty89]

I wouldn't mind shadow too much, as long as the dialogue was minimized, actually Amy could be worse with heavy speech... (I'd prefer both as non-playable if included though, just as side characters)

What's weird though is the characters not on the list, that makes me wonder. Other than Tails and Knuckles (which would seem to be implied as default, even thouch sonic is also on the list), then there's Espio (both an old, and recent character), Rouge, as already mentioned, with most others missing not that surprising, but still soewhat. (Mighty was dropped after Chaotix, Sonic the Fighters specific characters no surprisin either, I'd have though Blaze might be on there though give the general popularity in soem of the games -I mean considdering thy put Shade in there, and of course Cream is missing as well)

I'm thinking this whole thing will end up as more of a joke than anything, with the actual cast having little to do with that list.

I mean, why the hell was Chip even on there, including him would make no sense given the plot of Sonic Unleashed.

BTW, where is the list witht he names crossed out; I only saw the main one on the blog?

[SketchTurner94]

Mario doesn't go through this bullshit does he?

No. And that's why Mario has still managed to stay on top. No gimmicks, just straight-up Mario gameplay. You don't play as Peach in the main games. You don't fight some water monster in Mario. Mario doesn't have twenty people following him around. Just good old Mario vs. Bowser action.

[ThugsRook]

how long til we can expect a 32X port?

;)

[Enigmus]

No. And that's why Mario has still managed to stay on top. No gimmicks, just straight-up Mario gameplay. You don't play as Peach in the main games. You don't fight some water monster in Mario. Mario doesn't have twenty people following him around. Just good old Mario vs. Bowser action.


And this is why Sega will never learn.

[kool kitty89]

Nah, there are plenty of "off" mario games. The RPGs and such are rather different and much more plot involved, but still great games fr the most part. The thing is that they continued to pump out good 3D and 2D (or 2D playfield) games alongside eachother.

You can argue about the ever increasing Sonic cast, but Mario's been doing that for longer, Daisy in SML, all the unintended characters from the western SM2, many of which recur.

One major difference is the lack of voices, Nintendo has been very good about that, and with Zelda too, with little snippets of voice samples or more often just giberish sounds and such in many cases.

That's probably a big part of it, immagine if all the newer sonic games had no actual voice acting, just text and gibberish/psudo vocal sounds at most. (I think the GBA sonic games are more like that)


I presonally disliked Super Paper Mario in spite of it's somewhat "traditional" blend of gameplay. Part of it would avviously be me not being as fond of 2D platformers, but I do like them. SPM just felt anoying to me, I much prefer the 3D and fully 2D mario games, as well as the RPGs. (especially the original Paper Mario, the other 2 console RPGs are good too, but the handheld ones not quite so much IMO -but they're OK)
Paper mario does show off how great the N64 controller is for button mashing. I can't manage action commands like that on any other controller. (especially not PSX ones, but even GC was less responsive compared to the N64's nice, big, soft/short throw A/B buttons) I could manage every single action command successfully without resorting to mashing thebuttons in an unnatural position using my index finger. (tapping with my thumb alone, no wrist action)

Wow! off topic there ;)
Anyway, Sega does seem to have handeled it differently, both have milked the franchises though, and there is a good bit of poularity among younger kids from what I see, even with the stigma from "hardcore" gamers and reviewers.

[PimpUigi]

TBH I hate the direction Mario games have taken.

I hated Sunshine (despite being able to slide fast, and jump really high, really easily, that was fun) and I hate Galaxy even more.

But, despite knowing I'm the minority there, I hate all the Mario Advance games.
Despite two of them being my most favorite Mario games of all time (Super Mario World 1 & 2)
They added the voices to them...and they made Luigi always have a different sprite and crappy USMario2 jump...terrible.

Why do I have to hear "Gotcha!" and "Lucky!" every couple seconds while playing????

IMHO voice acting is great for story and cut scenes.
I wouldn't have it any other way.

But putting "Yum!!" and "whoamg I'm trying to shit in the air!" voice effects to games is just fail.

Like in A Link to the Past for the GBA, they gave Link's obnoxious scream to his sword slash, so now you hear him screaming, constantly, when...a sword swipe sound effect makes things much classier, and pleasing.

Sonic Unleashed is guilty of this too, hit a boost, and you'll ofter here "Wahoo!" and it gets old hearing that, and the other voice effects in levels.

I enjoyed "Yes!" in Sonic CD for extra lives, but it doesn't work in Sonic Unleashed, or Mario, or Zelda.

[snakesqzns]

I hope they actually take advantage of the the higher resolution to get more details into the sprites, rather than just trace-outline-and-gradiant-fill like so many other HD remakes have done. The samples here look like clipart to me.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2048/2441878832_1a30d621ef.jpg

BTW, there was a fan-made hi-res sonic a few years ago. Apologies if it's already been posted here -- no time to read the whole thread.http://www.hcgbrasil.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/2084665595_bc8ea2d834_o.jpg

[j_factor]

TBH I hate the direction Mario games have taken.

I hated Sunshine (despite being able to slide fast, and jump really high, really easily, that was fun) and I hate Galaxy even more.

But, despite knowing I'm the minority there, I hate all the Mario Advance games.
Despite two of them being my most favorite Mario games of all time (Super Mario World 1 & 2)
They added the voices to them...and they made Luigi always have a different sprite and crappy USMario2 jump...terrible.

Why do I have to hear "Gotcha!" and "Lucky!" every couple seconds while playing????

IMHO voice acting is great for story and cut scenes.
I wouldn't have it any other way.

But putting "Yum!!" and "whoamg I'm trying to shit in the air!" voice effects to games is just fail.

Like in A Link to the Past for the GBA, they gave Link's obnoxious scream to his sword slash, so now you hear him screaming, constantly, when...a sword swipe sound effect makes things much classier, and pleasing.

Sonic Unleashed is guilty of this too, hit a boost, and you'll ofter here "Wahoo!" and it gets old hearing that, and the other voice effects in levels.

I enjoyed "Yes!" in Sonic CD for extra lives, but it doesn't work in Sonic Unleashed, or Mario, or Zelda.

I hated Mario Advance for the very same reason. Sonic Heroes was also very guilty of this, moreso because you have three characters. I actually like Sonic Heroes overall, but it would be a better game if they'd just shut the fuck up. It also bothered me in Sonic Rush, when doing sequences of tricks, he has to go "yes!", "alright!", etc. for every single one. His voice drowns out the rest of the game audio and makes it harder to enjoy the (excellent) music. I don't mind voice acting in cutscenes (even if it isn't good, I can tolerate it), and minimal stuff like Sonic CD's "yes!" for an extra life is just fine. I think Sonic Adventure 2 had an acceptable level of voice acting; you occasionally hear the character's voice when something happens (e.g. Knuckles "I can't" when you try to dig too hard of a surface), but you're not barraged with it.

I blame Super Mario 64 for this trend. Fuck that game.

[kool kitty89]

IMHO voice acting is great for story and cut scenes.
I wouldn't have it any other way.

But putting "Yum!!" and "whoamg I'm trying to shit in the air!" voice effects to games is just fail.

Like in A Link to the Past for the GBA, they gave Link's obnoxious scream to his sword slash, so now you hear him screaming, constantly, when...a sword swipe sound effect makes things much classier, and pleasing.

Sonic Unleashed is guilty of this too, hit a boost, and you'll ofter here "Wahoo!" and it gets old hearing that, and the other voice effects in levels.

I enjoyed "Yes!" in Sonic CD for extra lives, but it doesn't work in Sonic Unleashed, or Mario, or Zelda.
That was one of the anoying things about the mairio&louigi RPG games, I kind of liked how Mario and Louigi were effectively mute int he Paper Mario (and SMRPG) games. (not even short samples)

I don't mind the voice effects in the newer Zelda games, but I do in LTP for GBA as it altered the original, which suited it better. (for the N64 games, 4-swords, GC titles, etc, it worked perfectly fine IMO)


I hope they actually take advantage of the the higher resolution to get more details into the sprites, rather than just trace-outline-and-gradiant-fill like so many other HD remakes have done. The samples here look like clipart to me.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2048/2441878832_1a30d621ef.jpgFrom the look of it, it's going to be a rendered 3D game with 2D perspective, not a high resolution, high color count, animation rich 2D game.
But I'm not sure.


BTW, there was a fan-made hi-res sonic a few years ago. Apologies if it's already been posted here -- no time to read the whole thread.
Oh, cool, do you have a link to it? (or the name at least?)




I hated Mario Advance for the very same reason. Sonic Heroes was also very guilty of this, moreso because you have three characters. I actually like Sonic Heroes overall, but it would be a better game if they'd just shut the fuck up. It also bothered me in Sonic Rush, when doing sequences of tricks, he has to go "yes!", "alright!", etc. for every single one. His voice drowns out the rest of the game audio and makes it harder to enjoy the (excellent) music. I don't mind voice acting in cutscenes (even if it isn't good, I can tolerate it), and minimal stuff like Sonic CD's "yes!" for an extra life is just fine. I think Sonic Adventure 2 had an acceptable level of voice acting; you occasionally hear the character's voice when something happens (e.g. Knuckles "I can't" when you try to dig too hard of a surface), but you're not barraged with it.
I agree, again, that's rather annoying on sonic advance, and somethign the console RPG titles didn't have. (not sure about Super Paper mario, I have it, but didn't play it much as I kind of hate it, and I don't recall there being voices)

SA2 was OK, the moans when you die were anoying sometimes (like Shadow: "maria" ...), but OK, and th evoice acting in general (ans quality of cutscenes) was better in SA2 than 1. (english at least)

I didn't mind sonic heros too much either, though the voices were probabl overused like you said. (I think you're right about Rush as well, but I haven't paid too much attention there)


I blame Super Mario 64 for this trend. Fuck that game.
I though the way they used in in SM64 was perfectly fine, you can't do that with every game, but in that case it worked great IMO. Didn't they tone it down in Sunshine? (I don't remember mario making many noises there)

[snakesqzns]

Oh, cool, do you have a link to it? (or the name at least?)

Sonic Retro (http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=10478&st=0&p=211866&#entry211866), I believe. I'm not sure how far the project got though. I think that screenshot was just a mockup.

[Da_Shocker]

That Sonic 2 HD looks great though. It's a shame Sega hasn't bothered to go down this direction.

[ThugsRook]

Sonic Retro (http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=10478&st=0&p=211866&#entry211866), I believe. I'm not sure how far the project got though. I think that screenshot was just a mockup.
its real, ive played it, its just a test demo tho.

[JRedmond3]

Demo??!?!?!

[TmEE]

stress on word test in the "test demo"

[JRedmond3]

Ah, so I guess that means they've only got Emerald Hill Zone Act 1 done.

[Eric83]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2572/4274751544_1ed6471ba8_o.jpg

Well, Amy and Shade got rejected today.

[GeckoYamori]

Just wait, it'll turn out to be Big the Cat's first solo game.

[NeoVamp]

If this turns out to be a Sonic & Shadow game i swear I'll travel to Sega's HQ and pee against their door.

[Guntz]

I'm putting my vote in for Froggy and Mr. Needlemouse. They are the only two plausible suspects.

... Or maybe it's Ristar's big return. :D

[JRedmond3]

If this turns out to be a Sonic & Shadow game i swear I'll travel to Sega's HQ and pee against their door.

That had crossed my mind. The thing is, even if Shadow has gameplay that is identical to Sonic's, he's one of the last characters I would want in the game. He was bearable in SA2, but SA2 is the game that sticks out in my mind as being where Sonic started to go downhill. Plus, like FFVII fanboys/girls, fans of the newer Sonics tend to be annoying.

[KenshiroX]

That had crossed my mind. The thing is, even if Shadow has gameplay that is identical to Sonic's, he's one of the last characters I would want in the game. He was bearable in SA2, but SA2 is the game that sticks out in my mind as being where Sonic started to go downhill. Plus, like FFVII fanboys/girls, fans of the newer Sonics tend to be annoying.

Point is, with me, of all the newer characters, Shadow's my favourite. I really don't think he ruins anything, but I hate hate hate hate hate hate Big and Froggy. That's why I hated the first Sonic Adventure. Damn fishing.

[Karakasa-Obake]

I'll loose all faith in Sega if they keep Shadow. Whatever though, I probably won't even end up buying it anyways. Megaman 10 looks good though.

[Ecco]

Point is, with me, of all the newer characters, Shadow's my favourite. I really don't think he ruins anything, but I hate hate hate hate hate hate Big and Froggy. That's why I hated the first Sonic Adventure. Damn fishing.

Yes being forced to fish with Big was a definite low point for Sonic Adventure!!!

[matteus]

If this game IS any good then I'll have to see about investing in a HD TV and XBOX 360.... thats a big IF

I don't get overly excited about the prospects of new Sonic games these days, I've broken the trend and come to accept that it'll most likely be shite and I won't buy it :)

[kool kitty89]

Point is, with me, of all the newer characters, Shadow's my favourite. I really don't think he ruins anything, but I hate hate hate hate hate hate Big and Froggy. That's why I hated the first Sonic Adventure. Damn fishing.

I like shadow's character except for the excessive angstly stuff at some points. SA2 was probably the best example of his character well used. I actually though Shadow the Hedghog was an OK game though, I kind of hate myself for saying it, but at some points it kind of felt like playing MDK2. (the art style, 3rd person shooter orientation -though the use of the word "damn" was really cheesy)

Andy do you hate the original Japanese Big+Froggy characters or the bastardized western versions. (originally he was a cool surfer dude type character, not the hokey bumbling guy the western versions -and 4kids dubbed/edited SonicX portrays)

[tz101]

They'd probably go the cell-shaded way, because that's a fad at the moment.

Cell-shaded Sonic done in a Zelda Windwaker visual style would actually pique my interest.:cool:

[jerry coeurl]

Shadow sucks. Actually, pretty much every angsty, "evil twin" version of any established character sucks, except of course for Wario (who isn't evil so much as he's a greedy son of a bitch, which is imo far more interesting).

[Karakasa-Obake]

Shadow sucks. Actually, pretty much every angsty, "evil twin" version of any established character sucks, except of course for Wario (who isn't evil so much as he's a greedy son of a bitch, which is imo far more interesting).
+1 for Wario
Hell yeah, Wario is the best. In fact, I like him more than Mario. I just love how they developed the character, and how quirky his games are. Where as Mario is kinda......flat? He never really changes or anything. I dunno, the same could kinda be said about Wario. Then again, he went from villian to hero-ish figure. I think that's creative. He's just more interesting overall, in my opinion. I hope they make more games with him soon.

[NeoVamp]

Shadow sucks. Actually, pretty much every angsty, "evil twin" version of any established character sucks, except of course for Wario (who isn't evil so much as he's a greedy son of a bitch, which is imo far more interesting).

Couldn't have said it better, fucking emo style ruined gaming!

At least back in the day evil twins were fun since they didn't stick around.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6290/evillol.jpg
Ok look, these are fun evil doubles, because for one most did not stick around,
and 2 they weren't all crying bitches.


http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7735/evilnotsolol.jpg
These two on the other hand are responsible for quite some crap,
Shadow because he's the obvious evil dark version of Sonic but with EMOTIONAL BAGGAGE!
and Evil Ryu because he spawned a shitload of crappy Mugen characters by kids who palette swapped their favorite character and called him Evilsomethingsomething.

(and yes i understand the concept of Satsui Ryu, its just that those emo kids ran with it a little bit too far)

[kool kitty89]

Hmm, maybe it's just how much I liked Shadow's levels in SA2 that skew my oppinion. I kind of liked the shadow past/patchy memoies part of the stryline in that one. Not so much the angst, just the missing past/memories part.
His character was more annoying in Heros and STH (moreso in the former), and not sure about other more recent games. (haven't played STH06, Secret Rings, or S&tBN)

[Eric83]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/4276408713_b15c435ef1_o.jpg

Only Sonic!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2713/4276408701_82bfe71a84.jpg

concept art

http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2010/01/15/project-needlemouse-character-countdown-finale-and-concept-art/#more-3846


Today, we are about to break the trend that has continued on for many years. To the thousands of you out there asking for a game where Sonic is the only playable character – rejoice. As of today, your wish has been granted.

In Project Needlemouse, there will be no new characters – playable or otherwise. The focus will remain solely on one blue hedgehog.

[JRedmond3]

"Hah, thousands of people want Sonic alone? You guys Do realize it’s but a single portion of the Sonic huge fanbase that’s been asking for it, although a very loud portion, and most people complaining about side characters aren’t even fans at all?

There’s thousands and thousands of websites and message boards dedicated to single characters of the Sonic franchise out there, and it’s all those fans that you are going to alienate if you keep neglecting everyone besides Sonic himself, like you did in Unleashed.

I just lost all interest for this game myself, I hope you’ll see your mistake and use a larger part of the cast in the future games…

Posted by ilcane87"

What a douche. Boo hoo, Sega's not adding any more characters with crap gameplay, what bastards.

[NeoVamp]

What a douche. Boo hoo, Sega's not adding any more characters with crap gameplay, what bastards.

You might want to use the quote tags for that, because for a second I thought you stated your own angry opinion.


Anyhoo I'm kinda excited when i read that there will be no annoying Sonic friends, but remember.. this is Sega after all,
they were the ones who thought Sonic with a sword could work!

[kool kitty89]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/4276408713_b15c435ef1_o.jpg

Only Sonic!


Originally Posted by SEGA
Today, we are about to break the trend that has continued on for many years. To the thousands of you out there asking for a game where Sonic is the only playable character – rejoice. As of today, your wish has been granted.

In Project Needlemouse, there will be no new characters – playable or otherwise. The focus will remain solely on one blue hedgehog.
Huh, they seem to ignore that they already did that with unleashed...

I personally would have liked an alternate character if gameplay will be in th estyle of the original 2D games. That's what I really liked about Sonic 3/3&K. (both tails and knuckles, buut especially tails)
The tag-along tails co-op from Sonic 2 was OK too. (and neat to have in SA1)

Better Sonic only than annoying side characters I guess... (and infinitely better if that would have ended up a fraction like StH06)

Although, they say Sonic will be the only one playable, that doesn't mean the others won't have cameo apearances...

[Guntz]

Sure Sega says Sonic is the only character in the game. With all the emo "Sonic" fans out there, I'm not holding my breath until people have actually PLAYED Needlemouse.

[NeoVamp]

If Sega's smart they'll make this a sequel to Sonic & Knuckles.
(since nothing seems to be going on with RetroSonic XG anymore)



(unless I'm missing some sort of forum where things are still going on)

[JDB]

I do hope I'm wrong... But it appears as though:

YOU ARE HERE:
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=81&pictureid=695

[Phexar]

Ah, good, Sega was trolling as predicted. Though of course we still have to wait and see the quality of the game itself, still. That crab badnik is definitely a Bastard Crab Shellcracker from Sonic 2, and not a Crabmeat... it's got the same Japanese name.

The comments are overwhelmingly positive on their blog, though I'll share a few particular ones to comment on... mm.


Lanmanna – who says all Shadow and Silver fans are furries? That’s just a mass generalization. Sheesh. It’s the same thing as saying that all Sonic fans are furries. =S

My interest in this game has all but disappeared. How good of a story can they make with just one character? You saw what happened to the story in Sonic Unleashed.

Posted by Kits on January 15th, 2010 at 11:53 am

I believe there are already a good amount of games with good stories starring only one character, yes. >_>


Everyone’s so dang happy; I don’t see what the big deal is. I’m glad you’ve made a game for the older fans, but please, after this, no more. My favourite character is actually Shadow, so I was a tad disappointed to see you played some dumb trick on us again. OH HAR HAR, WE WERE JUST KIDDING GAIIZ, WE GOT YOUR HOPES UP FOR NOTHING AND CROSSED OUT EVERY CHARACTER EXCEPT THE FIRST ONE.
:/ I’m not laughing, this ain’t funny.

But I’ll try my best to be happy for the older fans who wanted a Sonic-only game. Although, basing a game on just one character isn’t very fun if it’s been done before. We’ve seen games based on Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy… hell, even your Mary-Sue character, Blaze. I’m SO glad she’s not in this. I might have just exploded.
But ah, well.

I’ll try the game out, give it a spin, and try not to be such a sourpuss about it. Besides, it can’t be that bad, can it? I have fun playing Sonic 1 on my iTouch. [[Although I want Sonic 2]]

Posted by Alicia on January 15th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

Not bad, but series's like Mega Man, Mario, Zelda, Shinobi and Sparkster disagree with the 'solo isn't fun if it's been done before' comment. Also, Blaze isn't really a Mary Sue, but Shadow is certainly a Gary Stu, at least in his own game.


I’m going to have to disagree with people who are saying that Sonic-only is the best thing ever. If other characters who weren’t on the list get included (even if its just for an easteregg or something), then that would be cool.

Without other characters involved, then why is sonic running through stages? If theres no characters, surely then that means no villains (dispite badniks). It could mean that eggman isn’t in this game (and possibly a new charrie instead). I mean, its cool, and all, that this is like a sequal to the 1st sonic games, but without anyone other than sonic, wheres the main part of Sonic’s character gone?

Surely Sonic’s personality was affected by his friends a little. I’m not against this game, but i think it should have some other relation to the Sonic series other than the badniks and Sonic.

Posted by Fuzz on January 15th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

It's sort of a given that Dr Ivo 'Eggman' Robotnik will be the villain here, though. When people say they don't want any other characters, they mean Sonic and old Ivo, not just Sonic.



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WAS HOPING THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE BEST SONIC GAMES EVER AND THEY RUINED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Sonic52789 on January 15th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

...



“Old school Sonic fans” doesn’t mean Sonic 1. It means Genesis era fans. Having ONLY Sonic be playable is a terrible decision. The high point of the franchise is Sonic 3 & Knuckles, where you have three characters, with distinct abilities and not crappy gameplay gimmicks, going through the SAME levels, but with DISTINCT PATHS. You guys still don’t get it. Jesus Christ.

Posted by Phillip Roncoroni on January 15th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

Isn't Sonic 2 the favourite of the series in general though? Sure you've got Tails there, but he can't fly when you're playing as him in that one, so all the paths are both distinct and accessible by both characters. It still works just fine.


This is dissapointing there should be more than just sonic. the games gonna be shorter and less story drivin this way.

Posted by Drew on January 15th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

Your mileage may vary (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YourMileageMayVary).


Thousands said they wanted only Sonic?!!?! umm NO!

maybe people who don’t buy Sonic games ( I know no one who buys Sonic games that wants only Sonic playable)

How about giving your PAYING customers what they want and make a REAL Sonic adventure 3 already?!!?

(multiple playable characters ,chao garden , like SA1&2)

If you are SO interested in your fans opinion then listen to the real ones
and give us Sa3!!

until you make a Game worthy of the hype you give it I won’t buy anymore.

Posted by angry fan on January 15th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

lol.

[kool kitty89]

Why do people keep forgetting that Unleashed alreasy broke that cycle. Sonic as only playable character, little to no recognition for his "freinds" 9even long-held ones like Tails) for the majority of the game, any the only "new freinds" were limited to "chip" who (given the plot) will not (and cannot) be a recurring character. (being part of the planet's soul/life force and all)

I mean, Pimpuigi already brought this up a couple time, right?



Isn't Sonic 2 the favourite of the series in general though? Sure you've got Tails there, but he can't fly when you're playing as him in that one, so all the paths are both distinct and accessible by both characters. It still works just fine.



Your mileage may vary (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YourMileageMayVary).
Huh, tails can fly, but he's not playable as th emain character, just by a "tag along" as player 2. (and really cheap when used properly as he can't die, so you can rely on him to kill bosses have just have P1 dodge -plus tails can collect rings for sonic as well)
And it's not universal, a few Japanese polls put Sonic 1 above Sonic 2, EU more biassed towards sonic 2, and a LOT of people I know on here prefer 3&K and in some cases just 3 when pressed (I think I do), then there's CD, which is more arguable still, and I know some people who prefer the 8-bit games to the 16-bit ones, or at least the first 2. (sonic 1, 2 chaos, in particular)

[PimpUigi]

I wish Tails had been playable in the Sonic Unleashed day stages, as a Sonic clone, who can fly instead of use the light speed dash.

Would have been awesome boosting as Tails...

I think having Knuckles as the alt for Night stages could have worked out as well.
Have his glide to help with the hard platforming elements of the stages...specifically with the spiked balance beams.

Plus that would mean Knuckles finally would have a deep fighting system, and may actually wind up being cool again.
Probably not though...personally I never liked Knuckles, and then the SA games made me hate him.

Edit:
Kool Kitty, this isn't the first time they claimed to be breaking the cycle either, when they were just rehashing some Sonic Unleashed stuff.
They also said "Return to speed!" and Sonic Unleashed already did that as well, to the point where it's probably the fastest Sonic game we'll ever have.
So fast, many idiot emo fans complained that Sonic was too fast.
That's...retarded. It doesn't get worse than that. That's how you know the fans have lost touch with what Sonic really is.
People who complain about Sonic Unleashed speed levels being "too fast," and "too hard" are just sad people I can't begin to understand, or empathize with.

[Phexar]

Huh, tails can fly, but he's not playable as th emain character, just by a "tag along" as player 2.

http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr327/Phexar/S2TailsAlone.png

He is playable alone, actually, only you cannot make him fly.

[kool kitty89]

I wish Tails had been playable in the Sonic Unleashed day stages, as a Sonic clone, who can fly instead of use the light speed dash.

Would have been awesome boosting as Tails...

I think having Knuckles as the alt for Night stages could have worked out as well.
Have his glide to help with the hard platforming elements of the stages...specifically with the spiked balance beams.
Hmm, good points, that really could have been cool.



People who complain about Sonic Unleashed speed levels being "too fast," and "too hard" are just sad people I can't begin to understand, or empathize with.
Only game sonic has ever been too fast in is SSBB and only then because you end up flying off the side. ;) (picachu is almost as fast though) The really problematic thing about sonic in brawl is the uber cheap final smash.


He is playable alone, actually, only you cannot make him fly.
Huh, that's really good to know. ;) I only knew you could play as sonic alone. (and you can glide with knuckles in sonic 2, I think) The player select screen isn't normally there right, you have to do something to get it to appear? (some button combination, or maybe hitting down on the D-pad a certain number of times, I don't remember)

[Guntz]

Huh, that's really good to know. ;) I only knew you could play as sonic alone. (and you can glide with knuckles in sonic 2, I think) The player select screen isn't normally there right, you have to do something to get it to appear? (some button combination, or maybe hitting down on the D-pad a certain number of times, I don't remember)

Umm, no. Just normally cycle through the character options and "Tails Alone" appears. But seriously, how could you have not known that? That's like not knowing how to change a difficulty level.

[kool kitty89]

Hey, I'm new to the genesis (back in the day my only sega stuff was on the PC, and literally a handfull of times at a freind's house)... I probably should have just checked rather than making myself look like an idiot though. :p


What's really weird is my freind, who grew up with his genesis and still plays it, didn't know there was a 2-player vs mode in sonic 2... (he'd seen it in the attract mode, but that's it)

[TmEE]

I still want a Tails game where you blast things like in SA2 Tails' stages...

[Phexar]

Huh, that's really good to know. ;) I only knew you could play as sonic alone. (and you can glide with knuckles in sonic 2, I think) The player select screen isn't normally there right, you have to do something to get it to appear? (some button combination, or maybe hitting down on the D-pad a certain number of times, I don't remember)

More or less. :) The options aren't shown immediately on the title screen, just keep pressing down until they come up.

And yes, Knuckles can glide in Sonic 2, as it uses Sonic & Knuckles where he can already do so.

[kool kitty89]

I still want a Tails game where you blast things like in SA2 Tails' stages...Yeah, and fly the Tornado, and not like in SA1 with sonic riding on the wing, but a proper flying/railshooter sequence would be awesome. (but that's my flight/space sim shooter fan showing though ;))

That mech should be able to transfrom into a plane damn it. :lol:


More or less. :) The options aren't shown immediately on the title screen, just keep pressing down until they come up.

And yes, Knuckles can glide in Sonic 2, as it uses Sonic & Knuckles where he can already do so.Ah, that's what I was thinking of.
And yeah, I know knuckles could glide, but the statement about single player tails lacking flight kind of threw me off. :)

[Phexar]

And yeah, I know knuckles could glide, but the statement about single player tails lacking flight kind of threw me off. :)

It was similar for me actually; I played Sonic 3 before Sonic 2, so I was surprised that Tails couldn't manually fly like he could in Sonic 3. The only times Tails ever flies is when he's following Sonic, as you've seen. :|

[TmEE]

Yeah, and fly the Tornado, and not like in SA1 with sonic riding on the wing, but a proper flying/railshooter sequence would be awesome. (but that's my flight/space sim shooter fan showing though ;))

That mech should be able to transfrom into a plane damn it. :lol:

I would have nothing against FPS/3PS shmupping sections either... mech and shmup stuff would be so incredibly kickass, and the bosses must be all these pointless new characters.. there's many so there would be plenty of challenge :P