Nintendo announces MD/Gen (AND Turbografx) support for Revolution

[GeckoYamori]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6146528.html

Sounds pretty generous, doesn't it? The only thing that boggles me is the mention of a 'best of' approach, which probably means it won't be graced with all the superb underdog titles.

[Chris Marsh]

Who knows what will happen? If some of the lesser known titles are released, that will be cool. I wonder if Saturn, Master System, Sega CD, and 32X will be possibilities as well.

[Joe Redifer]

I like the "over 1,000 games for the Sega Genesis" phrase used to describe "the best of". Ummm... wouldn't "over 1,000" be all of them? Anyway this is good news. Hopefully this will make the value of the real games go down so I may purchase them while all of the emulation kiddies play on their Revolution.

Now the thing needs to support Neo Geo games.

I am a bit concerned with the wimpy 512 MB storage space to be used for all of this.

[Zebbe]

Mega Drive games should be played on a Mega Drive (or 32X, Nomad, CDX etc.). Nothing else!

[Demonic Weasel]

I don't think it's a bad thing. Not reallly. I prefer to play my games on the original console, but what will you? It's a tiring and expensive process. At least there's enough love for classic games to make this an option at all.

[NssOne]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=15613

According to this article, Sega plans on releasing Genesis/Mega Drive (games/roms?) to be played on the new Revolution console.

[MegaDrive20XX]

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/697/697882p1.html


In addition to NES, SNES, N64 and GameCube titles, games specifically developed for the SEGA Genesis and for the TurboGrafx console will also be playable on Nintendo Revolution. Not all of them -- but the best of them will be.

That's right! Sega and Hudson soft are supporting the Rev's download features!

[Joe Redifer]

This has already been posted in another forum, however this one is in the more appropriate place.

The Revolution will also support PC Engine/TurboGrax-16 games.

[Joe Redifer]

I think we should post this thread in EVERY forum. :)

[Flash1087]

Like I didn't wanna buy a Revolution bad enough as it was. This is the best news I've heard in a while!

[Melf]

Watch millions of currently apathetic gamers be like "OMFG! The Genesis rules!" now that the games are on Revolution.

...and Sega-16 will be there to educate their asses!

[MegaDrive20XX]

Watch millions of currently apathetic gamers be like "OMFG! The Genesis rules!" now that the games are on Revolution.

...and Sega-16 will be there to educate their asses!

exactly what just dawned on me as well lol

Get ready for the Nintendo.com kiddies to come running and trying to find every Genesis related site known to mankind lol

[Melf]

I like the "over 1,000 games for the Sega Genesis" phrase used to describe "the best of". Ummm... wouldn't "over 1,000" be all of them? Anyway this is good news. Hopefully this will make the value of the real games ow the thing needs to support Neo Geo games.

I've seen people on other boards say that the Genesis doesn't even have anywhere near 1,000 games. :confused:


I am a bit concerned with the wimpy 512 MB storage space to be used for all of this.

Even considering how much they've begun to get with the program, I'm still afraid that Nintendo might get all retarded and pull a "Sega Channel" with this. I've seen nothing about it saying that you can download and save the games on the console. Or did I miss something in the press releases?

[Emerald Rocker]

The part that bothers me is they say "over 1,000 Genesis titles", but they're clearly referring to the TOTAL number of Genesis games. Nowhere do they even mention how many they actually plan to offer. It's like they're just throwing "OVER A THOUSAND" out there to impress people... without actually revealing anything.

Does "best of" = one Smash Pack's worth of games? Two Smash Pack's worth? Five? Does "best of" mean underappreciated gems like Warsong, or does it mean "popular" games like Streets of Rage that are already easy to find? Will the multiplayer games have actual online support (like Xbox 360's Smash TV), or will they just be straight emulation?

Another question: will the TurboGrafx support only be Hucards (most of which are not very good, sadly) or will there be CD game support? Again, how many games are we really talking about here?

How much will each game cost? The compilations coming out nowadays are 15-20 games for 20 bucks. Will the downloadable games be cost-effective?

And now back to the whole "Revolution" concept. Does this service actually promote small developers with new ideas for online retro gaming, or is this just a quick and easy way for big companies (Nintendo, Sega, Hudson) to make more money without putting forth effort?

With all those question marks, I'm having trouble getting excited about this. The way Nintendo has made this announcement, it's not "information", it's "hype". I'm getting a little tired of this "reveal tiny but THRILLING details!" approach that Nintendo is using in regards to the Revolution. If they actually cared about the marketplace, they would reveal MORE... and then use the advance feedback to strengthen their product before it actually hits store shelves.

[MegaDrive20XX]

actually "1000 games" is latin for "Close but no cigar" :D I read that in a history book..ya...it was on my Mcdonald's napkin...yeah...its true

As for Emerald and Melf...you are right. No where does it state what the "plan" is. I remember Nintendo claiming their stuff is FREE....yet what about these games is another story all together

[j_factor]

The Turbografx part was certainly unexpected. I bet it's only hucard games though. Not that that's terrible, there are some great hucard games.

[extrarice]

Give it time and I'm sure the CD-based games will be available - once Nintendo figures out how to deal with the huge download times.

The same thing could be said about Neo-Geo games available for the Rev (that would be so freaking awesome) - the ROMs are waaaay too large for dialup customers to deal with.

[Gary_Oak]

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/697/697882p1.html

Well, It appears Sega has successfully convinced Satoru Iwata, to place Mega Drive/Genesis game on the Revolution, could this be good news for us Sega fans?

[MegaDrive20XX]

BIGGG UPDATE to this topic!

Follow-up with yesterday's announcement of supporting PC-Engine/Turbografx and Genesis game software via virtual console on Revolution, Nintendo confirmed that PC-Engine/Turobgrafx CD-ROM2 gameswill be supported, but no confirmation on Mega-CD/Sega-CD games yet.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm

[Joe Redifer]

I think it is absolutely hilarious how everyone on the internet thinks they are the first to post this news to the forums. This news has been posted at least 1,000 times since yesterday on every forum on the internet. And people are still acting surprised. Maybe I am from the future?

[Joe Redifer]

Where's SuperGrafx?

[extrarice]

Man I want to believe that they'll offer CD-based games...but until I see some corroberation from a larger news site that references a Nintendo press release or quotes a named Nintendo source...I'll not get my hopes up.

It's a matter of the size of the meda. IIRC, the Rev has 512MB of internal flash storage. CD-based games can theoretically get up to 640MB per disc (granted, most games didn't completely fill the discs), so one game would either completely fill up the flash storage, or couldn't even be saved. Besides, the average gamer wouldn't want to hang around and download what is essentially an ISO of the game before they can play it - even on a broadband connection (dialup? forget about it).

Unless Nintendo develops some sort of streaming methodology for networked disc access instead of having to download the entire image in one shot...hmmm...

[Chris Marsh]

It would be cool if unreleased in the U.S. titles were released to the Revolution, but It probably won't happen.

[Joe Redifer]

Maybe they mean the real CDs will be supported (re: if you own them) but only the carts will be available for download. It would be easy to do this with the PC Engine/TurboGrafx since the CD attachment requires no extra emulation. But the Sega CD has a new 68000 and a mess of other stuff.

[Melf]

Agk! The fourth thread since yesterday!


The official thread is in News Feed, so please direct all posts there. :)

[j_factor]

CD-ROM2? Only? No Super CD?

[Gary_Oak]

Even if the console supports actual TurboGrafx/PC Engine discs, I can't see how are these going to work on an European REV since the system was never released on Europe, maybe Nintendo will make these region-free?

[j_factor]

Turbografx/PCE discs have always been region-free.

[Joe Redifer]

True enough, but the PC Engine has never had a slower version of the hardware for PAL territories. So you'll either need a PAL 60 TV or the Revolution will need to upscale the game to HD (bleh). I hope most TVs over there have PAL 60 these days.

In my opinion NONE of the new consoles should work with PAL 50. PAL60 or HD only. It's the wave of the future.

[j_factor]

True enough, but the PC Engine has never had a slower version of the hardware for PAL territories.

Uh, are you sure? I mean, what's this (http://www.lik-sang.com/image.php?category=181&products_id=2135&img=turbografx) then? And this (http://cgi.ebay.de/TURBOGRAFX-16-PAL-CONSOLE-COMPLETE-MINT-IN-BOX_W0QQitemZ8266894879QQcategoryZ187QQcmdZViewIte m)? Notice the mention of a 220v power supply, and also notice the slightly different logo -- the "16" was dropped for Europe.


So you'll either need a PAL 60 TV or the Revolution will need to upscale the game to HD (bleh). I hope most TVs over there have PAL 60 these days.

What makes you say that? Anything can run on PAL 50, it just has to be converted, which is a process easily done on the Revolution itself. You know how Master System games are generally the same for US and UK?

[Joe Redifer]

Yeah but then they are missing frames and the like. Anything that is generated by the hardware cane be generated at pretty much any frame rate. Stuff that is pre-rendered must drop frames. PAL frame rate sucks ass. That's why they need to step up to PAL 60 and leave PAL 50 in the past... WHERE IT BELONGS. NTSC needs to go into the past as well.

Also, Europe/England confuses me. To me they are the same thing because they both begin with the letter "E".

[GeckoYamori]

England are the isolationists who drive on the wrong side of the road.

[David J.]

Also, Europe/England confuses me. To me they are the same thing because they both begin with the letter "E".

You're not the only one. However... I thought PAL 60 had the same resolution as NTSC? Somewhere I read that or something. Hmm...

[Joe Redifer]

It does, but it makes everything the same... as in no need to change to a lower framerate just for those Euro countries.

[cyberguile]

Bet it's gonna be the same than supernes games emulated on the gba: 40$ for a 16 bit game playable on a next gen system.
Ridiculous.

[B - Mark]

My Genesis / Mega Drive Gamelist for the Revolution.
I had posted my list in Seganet Forum, a Brazilian forum about Sega.

- Alex Kidd in Enchanted Castle
- All the Sonic the Hedgehog games
- Streets of Rage 1, 2 and 3
- Golden Axe 1, 2 and 3
- Revenge of Shinobi
- Shinobi III: Return of Ninja Master
- Shadow Dancer
- Super Hang On
- Super Monaco GP
- Ayrton Senna´s Super Monaco GP II
- After Burner II
- Out Run
- Turbo Out Run
- Space Harrier II
- Shinning in the Darkness
- Shinning Force I and II
- Phantasy Star II, III and IV
- Comix Zone
- Vectorman I and II
- Alien Soldier
- Alien Storm
- E Swat
- Altered Beast
- Hokuto no Ken / Last Battle
- Kujaku Ou 2 / Mystic Defender
- Kid Chameleon
- Decapattack
- Columns
- Columns III
- Castle of Illusion
- Quackshot
- Alladin
- Toe Jam & Earl
- Toe Jam & Earl 2: Panic on Funkotron
- Spider Man
- Dick Tracy
- Eternal Champions

[Knuckle Duster]

I HOPE AWESOME POSSUM IS AVAILABLE!!!~!~!111one <3
*/end sarcasum*

If nintendo keeps the price dirt cheap on the VC, translates games that weren't before, and creates original games for the old systems...they'll do well this generation.

Even so, a new xbox to mod costs 100 bucks now.

[Oi_Oi_Spanky]

So Nintendo are doing for the Revolution and charging for downloads what the blackwar installer & Unleash dash does for my Xbox for knackers all? I think I'm quite comfey with what I have in that respect.

[Joe Redifer]

Knackers all? What does that mean?

[j_factor]

It means nothing.

British English rocks.

[Joe Redifer]

I can imagine a bunch of Brits sitting around a table discussing a new word that must be created which will mean "nothing". One of them says "Knackers all!" with glee. They all agree that since it is so random, it will indeed be the new phrase. A law is passed and the new phrase is put to use.

At least we Americans come up with logical stuff like "It's da bomb yo" and "phiggidy phat mad tight". Both obviously mean "I approve".

[Obviously]

Well so much for "You can't do this on Nintendo, Genesis does!"

[j_factor]

Eh, I'm still somewhat skeptical, especially in regards to the game selection that it actually ends up with.

[Elusive]

The part that bothers me is they say "over 1,000 Genesis titles", but they're clearly referring to the TOTAL number of Genesis games. Nowhere do they even mention how many they actually plan to offer. It's like they're just throwing "OVER A THOUSAND" out there to impress people... without actually revealing anything.

Does "best of" = one Smash Pack's worth of games? Two Smash Pack's worth? Five? Does "best of" mean underappreciated gems like Warsong, or does it mean "popular" games like Streets of Rage that are already easy to find? Will the multiplayer games have actual online support (like Xbox 360's Smash TV), or will they just be straight emulation?

Another question: will the TurboGrafx support only be Hucards (most of which are not very good, sadly) or will there be CD game support? Again, how many games are we really talking about here?

How much will each game cost? The compilations coming out nowadays are 15-20 games for 20 bucks. Will the downloadable games be cost-effective?

And now back to the whole "Revolution" concept. Does this service actually promote small developers with new ideas for online retro gaming, or is this just a quick and easy way for big companies (Nintendo, Sega, Hudson) to make more money without putting forth effort?

With all those question marks, I'm having trouble getting excited about this. The way Nintendo has made this announcement, it's not "information", it's "hype". I'm getting a little tired of this "reveal tiny but THRILLING details!" approach that Nintendo is using in regards to the Revolution. If they actually cared about the marketplace, they would reveal MORE... and then use the advance feedback to strengthen their product before it actually hits store shelves.

Oooohhh, stop whining. Of course they won't show their hand just yet, how long is it until the system's ready to even launch again?

It's been confirmed that many many many titles will be available from all our favourite systems of yesteryear - ACCEPT THIS AS GOOD NEWS. IT IS HAPPENING. EXACT DETAILS HAVE YET TO BE CONFIRMED.

Christ, have a little patience.

[Oi_Oi_Spanky]

This doesn't really set me on fire. Since I modded my Xbox I couldn't give a monkey's what they do with backwards compatability. I'm doing it all now. For free.

[Obviously]

That is the number one reason to own an X-Box after all. I've actually been playing NES, Genesis, Super Nintendo, and other various assorted roms on my Dreamcast myself for a long while.

I just think it's cool that Nintendo is finally recognizing the need and want for classic games and is offering a more legal channel to obtain them that hopefully won't be as ridiculous as their GBA Nintendo Classics bull. I mean $20 per NES game? Give me a break I can get just about any original NES cartridge for less than that.

[j_factor]

Seriously, that Classic NES shit was a farce. It could've been somewhat redeemed if they'd used it to release EarthBound (Zero) or something. But all the games they put out on it (at least in the US) were common NES games. Lame. They didn't even put out many of the best common games (where's StarTropics?). And then they got Namco in on it, and only released Pac-Man -- who even thinks of Pac-Man as an NES game anyway? And then Donkey Kong, Ice Climber, Excitebike? I'd just bought these for $5 a piece on e-Reader cards and then they release a $20 cart version right after. WTF? The Classic NES series was kind of a lame idea to begin with, but Nintendo (of America anyway) made a lame idea terrible.

[Kikoskia]

Not sure what to make of this really. Not sure of what it'll do to the prices of games on eBay either.

And really, I am not that bothered either as I haven't been involved with any consoles since... well... the megadrive. I play my games on the PC, the Game boy Advance and the Megadrive, that's it really. :)

[David J.]

Hopefully lower them. However this summer I'm looking at finshing up my Genesis collection. Just gotta work some more hours and spend some more money.

[Obviously]

I doubt it will lower the prices on any rare games. Collectors won't settle for anything less than the original because they're collectors.

[Kikoskia]

Rare games, I admit it won't. But then again, not everyone who buys games does so because they are a collector. With the more common games, it will.

However, it might bring in more people who want the real thing after trying the games on the revolution, so it'll probably balance out.

[Elusive]

Not sure what to make of this really. Not sure of what it'll do to the prices of games on eBay either.

And really, I am not that bothered either as I haven't been involved with any consoles since... well... the megadrive. I play my games on the PC, the Game boy Advance and the Megadrive, that's it really. :)

And there you have it. The Revolution won't hurt the value of games any more than software emulators has done. And emulation has been around a loooooong time.

Maybe an exception if games for currently unemulated (to a simple/playable extent) systems - Saturn, N64 etc - are released via Virtual Console, I dunno.

[Kikoskia]

And there you have it. The Revolution won't hurt the value of games any more than software emulators has done. And emulation has been around a loooooong time.

Maybe an exception if games for currently unemulated (to a simple/playable extent) systems - Saturn, N64 etc - are released via Virtual Console, I dunno.

Exactly. This is simply giving people who play only on consoles what everyone else has had for a very long time. :)