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    January 1995 issue of Mean Machines Sega on 32X is the last post on the previous page.

    Also, I'm finding evidence online that the previous historical currency conversion tools I used might have been incorrect. It is possible that 150-180 British pounds at the time was .69-.65 US dollars. Which would mean that the 32X was cheaper in the UK than it was in the US, where I have shown it to be cost effective.

    I am using the following tool, and from what I can tell, the 32X should have been cheaper in the UK than in the US from December 1994 to February 1995. Meaning, if I wanted to import a UK 32X at the time I would have payed 35% more for it.

    http://www.oanda.com/currency/historical-rates/

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    February Mean Machines Sega, a touch less promotional, more matter of fact (and accurate at a glance), Cosmic Carnage got a bad review.





























    Also, whoever scanned these Mean Machines magazines needs a full time job somewhere at six figures. The OCR PDFs make it exceedingly easy to find anything relevant to any product.

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    Doesn't TA use RGB SCART for everything though?
    Well I'm British and RGB Scart was the way to go for the older systems and VHS video

    Perhaps that's why you think VHS looks better:
    Nothing Perhaps about it . Normal Play VHS video wiped the floor with 32X Video , and was better than CDI Video CD

    Mean Machines Sega January 1995. Definitely still pure promotional PR at a glance, but plenty of other companies were still interested in the add-on
    Give it a rest Seath, Mean Machines was all for the Mega CD before it launched, different story before it came out . Now try posting some of the latter SEGA Mean Machines Mags and remember than Means Machines likes most mags were a couple of months in front actual date on the Magazine . Now try posting Mean Machines SEGA from May 1995 onwards
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    You give it a rest TA, you clearly don't even understand what I am looking for because you are so convinced of your own opinion and memory. Chronological order is the way it actually happened.

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    Does VHS even benefit from RGB? I thought only SVHS benefited from a better video connection and that was only S-Video.

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    Seriously, I'm sorry, but am I missing something here?

    As far as I've seen all Sheath has actually done in this thread, is denounce 15 years worth of 32X journalism, put forth an unsubstantiated opinion, and then fail to back it up with any evidence at all.

    Can someone just condense this 40 page thread into some bullet points?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thenewguy View Post
    Seriously, I'm sorry, but am I missing something here?

    As far as I've seen all Sheath has actually done in this thread, is denounce 15 years worth of 32X journalism, put forth an unsubstantiated opinion, and then fail to back it up with any evidence at all.

    Can someone just condense this 40 page thread into some bullet points?
    Sure:

    • 32X Sucks
    • No it doesn't!
    • Yes it does!
    • No it doesn't!
    • Yes it does!


    Repeat indefinitely.

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    That is what it boiled down to with TA and DA to be sure. If I wasn't so annoyed with the modern perception of facts having no bearing on history, I'd be laughing about it.

    NewGuy, the other side has completely failed to prove anything as well. Jumping to the end of the story and jumping up and down is not a logical argument or an effective historical narrative. What I have shown so far is that the same journalists who would later create the "add-ons split markets and are stupid" narrative started out promoting it, even clamboring for it. The problem with the "other side" in this is that they want to delete historical facts to support their emotional opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheath View Post
    What I have shown so far is that the same journalists who would later create the "add-ons split markets and are stupid" narrative started out promoting it, even clamboring for it.
    Journalists are required to give every new system a chance, they're not going to start hating on 32X before they've even played on one, they form an opinion based on what they experience afterwards.

    After they'd spent a few months playing on them they made their decision about the machine sucking, and being a mistake, and reported this to the public.

    This was mentioned earlier, all machines have positive launches, the GX4000 arrived to positive coverage.

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    But surely if add-ons were known to be bad ideas they wouldn't have promoted the 32X so actively. That is a detail you keep missing. There is the "wait and see" early promotion that journalists frequently use, and then there is more active promotion, which the 32X received. This is significant, because nobody forced them to be optimistic of the 32X even if they were forced to report on it positively. Another thing people don't seem to understand is that negativity is_not any more objective than positivity.

    Either way, TA's selection of negative statements over the 32X from Mean Machines does several things. It adds to the credibility of the magazine as a primary source, as by summer of 1995 there were indeed a lot of doubts about the 32X's future. It proves that TA is proof texting the past, because I had to ask him what issues those comments were from and because he was using them as a catch all for the attitude for the 32X.

    I have Mean Machines Sega March 1995 uploading now. There is a lot more this time, so it will take several posts as I see the thread move to more pages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheath View Post
    Mean Machines Sega March 1995 Part 2/3
    "You'll also notice that the fighters are considerably TALLER"?????????? WHAT?!


    A lot of bullshit in their review of MK II. Slower than the SNES version? No way! The idle animation is sluggish as fuck on the SNES and the punch sequences are slow all the time.
    I'm finishing a detailed textual comparison of Genesis, SNES, 32X, PS1 and Saturn versions of MKII. I'm in the last part (sounds and samples) and I can tell you that they said lots of bullshit in those pages.
    Samples weren't replaced, they just add new ones and keep the Genesis's too, and the sound balance (music/Genesis SFX/32X SFX) is fucked up, badly.
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    What is the PAL optimisation status of the SNES and 32X versions of Mortal Kombat II?

    If the SNES version is PAL optimised, and the 32X version isn't, then the 32X version will be slower for Europeans, if the 32X version is screen optimised for PAL, and the Mega Drive version isn't then the characters will be taller on 32X for Europeans.

    Its probably not the case, but may be worth looking into just to be sure.

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