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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiespruce View Post
    There were better games on the CD-i than there were on the 3DO.
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    That is definitely true. SNES games are overall more well-balanced. The Mega Drive has many more (extremely) difficult games for no other reason than bad game balance and sometimes shitty controls.
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    Rondo of Blood? Dracula X? Really? Everyone with any sense recognizes they're vastly inferior to SCIV. Especially in terms of controls, if nothing else. Anyway, I agree with A Black Falcon 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Andromeda View Post
    No this again . No-one things like that, 150 to us is like $150 to you and that's how people think day to day
    No it isn't. Brits have ALWAYS complained about paying more for their consoles than US folk. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Maybe it's how they think about day-to-day items, like food or housing or clothes, but every time something like the Genesis or Saturn or PSX or PS2 costs the same in pounds as in dollars, they bitch to high heaven about being ripped off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Andromeda View Post
    I'm sure those Super Nintendo sales are wrong too if we listen to Nintendo sale figures for Japan alone
    The article we're talking about makes no mention of Japan in regards to SNES or Mega Drive sales, Mega Drive and SNES had sold 16 million in North America by mid 1995, not worldwide.

    Sources back this up, I've seen multiple sources which put Mega Drive on 14 million, and SNES on 15 million in US at the end of 1994, then one source which rounds both to 15 million during ~January 1995, and then there's this Gamepro source from mid 1995 which puts them both on 16 million at that stage, which, when taking into account rounding is a feasible enough level of growth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Team Andromeda View Post
    For one thing 3DO went public on how they're sold over 300,000 units in Japan alone
    The Man!ac scan contradicts the Gamepro scan by ~250,000 worldwide, they have Japanese sales at 250,000 at the end of 1994.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilly Willy View Post
    No it isn't. Brits have ALWAYS complained about paying more for their consoles than US folk. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Maybe it's how they think about day-to-day items, like food or housing or clothes, but every time something like the Genesis or Saturn or PSX or PS2 costs the same in pounds as in dollars, they bitch to high heaven about being ripped off.
    That's only when you factor in the exchange rate . And let me tell most British moan about the price we pay for Fuel compared to the rest of world . At the end of the day 60 quid to me is like 60 dollars to you , hardly anyone thinks about exchange rates day to day

    The Man!ac scan contradicts the Gamepro scan by ~250,000 worldwide, they have Japanese sales at 250,000 at the end of 1994
    Well I'm only telling you what TRIP told EDGE in their 3D0 feature and interview and that's the Japanese 3DO had sold over 300,000 units in Japan

    The article we're talking about makes no mention of Japan in regards to SNES or Mega Drive sales, Mega Drive and SNES had sold 16 million in North America by mid 1995, not worldwide
    If just the USA then yes, but its seems strange to post figures for ww sales for the other consoles and only USA for the Mega Drive and SNES
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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Andromeda View Post
    Well I'm only telling you what TRIP told EDGE in their 3D0 feature and interview and that's the Japanese 3DO had sold over 300,000 units in Japan
    What was the date?

    I only ran into a quote from him which put total 3DO figure at 700,000 at the end of 1995

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Andromeda View Post
    That's only when you factor in the exchange rate . And let me tell most British moan about the price we pay for Fuel compared to the rest of world .
    Supposedly, by the summer the price of gas in the US will match most of Europe. So we'll be bitching about gas prices just as much come summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Andromeda View Post
    That's only when you factor in the exchange rate . And let me tell most British moan about the price we pay for Fuel compared to the rest of world . At the end of the day 60 quid to me is like 60 dollars to you , hardly anyone thinks about exchange rates day to day
    This reminds me of a theory I have been toying with for some time. If I were a journalist I would just print it as fact because I think it is quite convincing, but I have been waiting for more support. I don't think historical exchange rates or inflation applies to consumer devices. I think these areas of consumer interest have a set and arbitrary threshold that has almost nothing to do with the actual value of the money being spent. It seems to me that consumers will only balk at a price if it is double or more of what is already on the market, unless marketing, media, and the product itself justify such an inflation in price.

    Game consoles have stuck closely to $200 for consumer pricing for the entire industry.
    "... If Sony reduced the price of the Playstation, Sega would have to follow suit in order to stay competitive, but Saturn's high manufacturing cost would then translate into huge losses for the company." p170 Revolutionaries at Sony.

    "We ... put Sega out of the hardware business ..." Peter Dille senior vice president of marketing at Sony Computer Entertainment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thenewguy View Post
    What was the date?

    I only ran into a quote from him which put total 3DO figure at 700,000 at the end of 1995
    Around the time the 3D0 was launching in the UK and Trip was in the UK doing interviews


    Supposedly, by the summer the price of gas in the US will match most of Europe
    'Supposedly' many Americans are bitching about the price of fuel, but do you Americans say oh well compared to what the Brits are paying, its dirt cheap .... I really really doubt it. Day to Day people just worry about the money they have in their back pocket
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    I went from being able to drive three hours back to San Antonio every other week to hardly leaving town and organizing all of my errands into one round trip when the gas prices stayed above $3.50. My trips to San Antonio went from costing $30 to costing $50 and then $100 before I finally quit going. Of course, all the morons who live here kept buying $90k Dually Pickups that get 9mpg while I was tightening my belt. But that seems to be par for the course.
    "... If Sony reduced the price of the Playstation, Sega would have to follow suit in order to stay competitive, but Saturn's high manufacturing cost would then translate into huge losses for the company." p170 Revolutionaries at Sony.

    "We ... put Sega out of the hardware business ..." Peter Dille senior vice president of marketing at Sony Computer Entertainment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thenewguy View Post
    Nice scan there Sheath, that Gamepro article backs up a bunch of the newspaper sources on US sales figures.

    The douchebags on Wikipedia who argue that "real" sources agree on a total of 14 million US sales for Mega Drive no longer have a leg to stand on, not that they ever really did anyway but its nice to cut off all avenues of argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da_Shocker View Post
    Nintendo fanboy's?
    Sadly yes. Whats even more sad is they bring up IGN as a valid source to back up the 14 Million US / 29 Million Worldwide number, when IGN was using wikipedia as their source for that number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrekkiesUnite118 View Post
    Sadly yes. Whats even more sad is they bring up IGN as a valid source to back up the 14 Million US / 29 Million Worldwide number, when IGN was using wikipedia as their source for that number.
    There was a press release at the end of 1994 which read US sales 14 million/Worldwide sales 29 million

    The US 14 million figure "total" came from the EGM buyers guide 1999. As far as I can see EGM had been using the same mid 90s press release years later without updating it, hence the confusion.

    IGN's information most likely came from the same place (or EGM itself).

    The last remaining pro-14 million people on Wiki were simply arguing that a US magazine such as EGM, is a better source than newspaper reports, and foreign gaming magazines, obviously now we have a US magazine (Gamepro) which also contradicts EGM, and backs up all the foreign mags and newspaper figures, so there's not really any way to argue it anymore.

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    I came to the conclusion a while ago that the pro 29 million people were just hellbent on making sure it didn't look like the Genesis actually sold rather competitively to the SNES, as that would shatter their precious fake history.

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    I'm pretty sure I posted this earlier in this thread, but I thought I would bring it up again. Since it seems questionable that the British cost of the 32X was viewed as higher than what Americans saw. The 32X's actual cost/value ratio was very good even at original launch price.
    [*]
    System Aug-94 Nov-94 Jan-95 Feb-95 May-95 Aug-95 Nov-95 % Price Change Average Cost Cost/10Games Cost/15Games Cost/20Games Cost/Final Library
    Genesis $130 $130 $130 $130 $100 $100 $100 76.92% $117.14 $11.71 $7.81 $5.86 $0.17
    SNES $150 $140 $150 $150 $110 $110 $110 73.33% $131.43 $13.14 $8.76 $6.57 $0.18
    PS1 $400 $300 $300 $333.33 $33.33 $22.22 $16.67 $0.23
    Sega CD2 $230 $230 $230 $230 $230 $230 $230 100.00% $230.00 $23.00 $15.33 $11.50 $1.54
    Saturn $500 $400 $300 $400.00 $40.00 $26.67 $20.00 $1.59
    3DO $500 $450 $450 $400 $400 $400 $300 60.00% $414.29 $41.43 $27.62 $20.71 $2.07
    CD-I 450 $290 $290 $290 $290.00 $29.00 $19.33 $14.50 $2.87
    Jaguar $250 $250 $250 $250 $250 $250 $250 100.00% $250.00 $25.00 $16.67 $12.50 $3.52
    CD-I Magnavox $360 $360.00 $36.00 $24.00 $18.00 $3.56
    32X $160 $160 $160 $100 $100 $100 62.50% $130.00 $13.00 $8.67 $6.50 $3.61
    CD-I Philips $400 $400.00 $40.00 $26.67 $20.00 $3.96
    CD-I 550 $480 $480 $480 $480.00 $48.00 $32.00 $24.00 $4.75
    NEO GEO CD $570 $570 $570 $570 $500 87.72% $556.00 $55.60 $37.07 $27.80 $5.91
    "... If Sony reduced the price of the Playstation, Sega would have to follow suit in order to stay competitive, but Saturn's high manufacturing cost would then translate into huge losses for the company." p170 Revolutionaries at Sony.

    "We ... put Sega out of the hardware business ..." Peter Dille senior vice president of marketing at Sony Computer Entertainment

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    I really don't get the cost per games ratio that constantly gets posted in this thread.

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