Samurai Shodown (SNES vs. Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis vs. Sega Mega CD)

[Barone]

I didn't argue about that.

[Saturn Fan]

That really just depends on your definition of "accurate". All these games are obsolete now that arcade-perfect ports are widely available.

Yes NOW they are obsolete, but back then they were the bees knees for Genesis owners. Special Champion Edition, MKII, and SS1 to name a few, represented the Arcade originals well.

Of coarse the console was home to crap ports as well, both Fatal Fury games and World Heroes were awful. Overall, the console had more hits than misses in the 2D fighter genre.

MAME, or your next-gen console of choice.

Emulation is pretty nice and about 97% Arcade accurate, but the (good)home ports are still fun to revisit also. Gotta appreciate the programming that went into producing such titles on underpowered hardware.

[Olls]

I didn't argue about that.

What does arcade perfect mean to you?
The UMK3 DS version is identical to the arcade version (and even better in some ways), for example.
I don't see how MAME is "far from arcade perfect", being that it IS the arcade.

[sheath]

What does arcade perfect mean to you?
The UMK3 DS version is identical to the arcade version (and even better in some ways), for example.
I don't see how MAME is "far from arcade perfect", being that it IS the arcade.

I'll answer for me at least, Arcade perfect can't have enormously subdued and altered audio. Because of this alone I consider MAME and any emulated compilation disk version simply another console adaptation of the original. Then there are the controller issues. In my experience even using the same gamepad in MAME isn't the same.

[Olls]

Fair enough, although there are people that build arcade cabinets around a MAME "console". Looks pretty legit. Not sure about the audio part, though.

[Saturn Fan]

Mame & other quality emus are plenty close enough to the Arcade experience. Just because they're not 100.00% perfect doesn't make it any less impressive.

[sheath]

I have an HTPC with MAME set up and I can choose between various Joysticks and even the Saturn 6-button pad. I can say with confidence that MAME is not anywhere near 100% replicating the Arcade games in most cases. MAME is very playable in a great number of cases, but by far not all. So, I call the MAME version of playable Arcade games a different version of these games, but it is not the same.

[Saturn Fan]

I have an HTPC with MAME set up and I can choose between various Joysticks and even the Saturn 6-button pad. I can say with confidence that MAME is not anywhere near 100% replicating the Arcade games in most cases. MAME is very playable in a great number of cases, but by far not all. So, I call the MAME version of playable Arcade games a different version of these games, but it is not the same.

Mame isn't perfection and there is still much work to be done on many games. However, there are also many, many titles that are at least 90% or better.

[Barone]

OK, Olls, I'll try to give you a proper answer since you missed other recent discussions about this subject.

Samurai Shodown
M.A.M.E.: Sounds like crap.

PS2 or newer:

The SS Anthology compilations for the PS2 are far from arcade perfect, those aren't actual ports but bad emulated roms, image quality is far from the real "Neo Geo experience", sound is "ok", but its badly scaled and heavily filtered resulting in an ugly mess graphics wise

Yeah, the main problem with the SNK collections on the PS2 is what chinitosoccer said: the lame filtering.
And since it's all emulated on the PS2 you'll always have additional little problems. The sound will never be as clear as on the Neo Geo and IIRC the game had some moments running at wrong speed during the fights. These are little details that you may not notice if you never played the arcade version or if just played the collection version for 30 minutes. But if you really dig the game you'll always feel that is something wrong with the gameplay, something missing on the controls and overall feeling. And I'm not talking about the nostalgia.

And that the PS2 Neo Geo Collection has SS1 but less accurate than the SS Anthology... Don't know why.

It's a US based developer using a completely different (and infinitely shittier) emulation engine. This same developer did the PSP & Wii compilations, which also have varying degrees of shittiness. Fun fact, the PSP SS compilation contains SSVS but the frontend blocks you from selecting it.

Only the KOF: Orochi Saga, Metal Slug Anthology and SNK Arcade Classics Vol.1 compilations were developed in the U.S. The rest were ports from the Japanese-developed SNK compilations, which varied in quality (supposedly the SS and Last Blade collections were the ones with the worst emulation of them all).

I've got most of the Neo Geo Online Collection releases and your right, they do vary in quality between releases. Some have filters, some don't. Garou Battle Archives and Fuun Super Tag Battle have 240p, others don't. World Heroes Gorgeous lacks the warping floors of the arcade (interesting because several emulators couldn't do this either).

MK series:
Recent collections:
http://www.mksecrets.net/index.php?s...contentID=4081

M.A.M.E.: Sounds and plays like shit.

What does arcade perfect mean to you?

You can find the meaning of "perfect" in any dictionary I guess...

I would be forgiving enough to say that I could call "arcade perfect" a port/emulation in which I couldn't notice any difference in graphics or sound while playing it, both in content and quality. And whose gameplay would feel exactly like the arcade.
If you used to play SS1 and MK games on the arcade you'll need no more than 20-30 minutes to notice that their "arcade perfect" renditions are full of of problems.

The UMK3 DS version is identical to the arcade version (and even better in some ways), for example.
I don't see how MAME is "far from arcade perfect", being that it IS the arcade.

M.A.M.E. is just an emulator and full of issues. C'mon! You're smarter than that...
And might be a little difficult to judge perfection playing in a handheld, but that's just my opinion.

Fair enough, although there are people that build arcade cabinets around a MAME "console". Looks pretty legit. Not sure about the audio part, though.

That doesn't make M.A.M.E. any better.
Those people just want an excuse to say that they have the arcade experience at home. But they are just fooling themselves...

[XGoldenboyX]

I have a modded XBOX with all those arcade perfect games, Genesis and Snes... but nothing compares to the satisfaction of owning a perfect physical game for the genesis or Sega CD and popping it into a real machine to play them.


Period!
: )

[sheath]

I have a modded XBOX with all those arcade perfect games, Genesis and Snes... but nothing compares to the satisfaction of owning a perfect physical game for the genesis or Sega CD and popping it into a real machine to play them.


Period!
: )

Hello Mr. Double X name guy. I think you might want to look at the post just above yours.

[XGoldenboyX]

Your point is ?


I m simply saying for me, there is nothing better then owning the real games and playing them on my Sega Gen or Cd. The satisfaction of owning them and purchasing the physical games is a great one .

[sheath]

Your point is ?


I m simply saying for me, there is nothing better then owning the real games and playing them on my Sega Gen or Cd. The satisfaction of owning them and purchasing the physical games is a great one .

I know, and I agree. I just thought it was funny that right after Barone posted all the conversation on how emulation isn't Arcade perfect you popped in and said it was.

I have an HTPC and I can hardly make myself fire up emulators and play games on the same screen I have my real consoles hooked up to. I also have everdrives for each of my consoles and I rarely use them to actually play games, I hate navigating lists and deciding what I want to play by a ROM name. The box art does such a better job of enticing me.