Phantasy Star Online 2 will be Free to Play!

[TheSonicRetard]

You obviously don't play PSU or hang around the forums. We have the same GMs for the game we've always had. They have the same "We don't care" they've always had. These people can't even get off their butts and ban the players who have plenty of documented evidence of cheating and stealing from other players. Sorry but that's what these people are paid to do, this is part of what the $10 a month goes toward.

And the translation of content is still handled by Sega of America/Sega West.

All that stuff you're describing is not handled by Sega West. That is Sega of Japan. I don't think you understand the difference between divisional duties. Just because staff is located in America, doesn't mean they Sega of America. It's SoJ, operating from within America.

And Sega West doesn't handle translations. Sega Europe handles global translation duties for the company.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

I'm pretty sure the GMs for PSU are definitely under Sega West. I know the help website where you report issues with the game as well as get customer support is still listed as Sega of America. And considering the GMs are the same people dealing with the customer service for most of the Digital Distribution efforts I think it's safe to say they fall under Sega West.

The Japanese PSU servers are handled by Sega of Japan. The US PSU servers are not. They have always been handled by Sega of America/Sega West.

[jerry coeurl]

Actually, several FF games do tie into each other. Aside from the obvious FFX and FFX-2 and FFXIII and FFXIII-2, there are other connections, like the way FFXII includes the bit with Shinra being established, meaning its set hundreds of years before FFVII. Or the way the original 3 games form a trilogy revolving around the crystals. If you think all the FF games are isolated and have absolutely nothing to do with one another, then you obviously haven't been playing the games.

Some of that is incorrect (Shinra is established in FFX-2, not FFXII), and some of those connections were added more than a decade later. Either way, most of the connections from the games that I've played (I, II, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, X, XII) don't amount to much more than fan service. Cloud appears in Final Fantasy Tactics, but the games aren't connected by their narrative at all.

And what is this central gameplay which you claim connects all FF games? Each game plays radically different from each other. Do you think the ATB system from FFVI onward in any way resembles the turn-based system from previous games? How about FFXI, which is an MMO? FFXII, which is a mix of real time and ATB. Hell, even among character classes there is large variation, to the point where FFVII doesn't even include character classes at all.

I don't consider FFXI to be a proper FF game, personally. It's an MMO. Other than that one, they all play pretty similarly. At least as far as the ones I've played go.

A Phantasy Star V would probably need to be a brand new story taking place in an entirely different place and setting. This is pretty much what PSO and PSU do. Yet you don't consider them Phantasy Star games simply because they are not turn based.

Yeah, my problem with PSO isn't the setting, it's the gameplay. If you can't accept this I don't know what to tell you. I would probably be very happy with a Phantasy Star V that took place in PSO's universe if it kept the gameplay more in line with the old games and they included some characters and a story that were worth a damn. I'm not saying it has to be exactly the same, but again; I want a turn-based JRPG from Phantasy Star with a strong story and good characters. Not an action-RPG, MMO-lite. PSU, PSZ, and PSP do not interest me, because they are cut from the same cloth as PSO, not from the earlier games.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

And as I said, there is more to Phantasy Star than a single player turn based RPG. I'm not saying these titles are Phantasy Star V. I'm just saying that they are Phantasy Star titles and have the atmosphere and characteristics to prove it. God forbid Sega try something new to bring the series to 3D.

You're pretty much just basing your entire opinion on what makes a game Phantasy Star on it being a turn based RPG. Which is honestly childish and narrow minded. I'm sorry that you want a turn based single player RPG Phantasy Star and haven't gotten one. But don't sit in here saying that these games are not Phantasy Star games just because they changed the gameplay over the past 15-20 years.

[jerry coeurl]

And as I said, there is more to Phantasy Star than a single player turn based RPG.

Yeah there's more to it than that. It's gotta have an interesting story and good characters as well. And before you mention PSU for the umpteenth time: I have no interest in having to pay for an online subscription to see more of the story. Or to play any further games like PSO.

I'm not saying these titles are Phantasy Star V.

And I'm saying I would like a Phantasy Star V. A proper continuation of the series. I'm not sure why that bothers you so much.

I'm just saying that they are Phantasy Star titles and have the atmosphere and characteristics to prove it.

Well, that's your opinion I guess. You're certainly entitled to it.

You're pretty much just basing your entire opinion on what makes a game Phantasy Star on it being a turn based RPG. Which is honestly childish and narrow minded.

That's not the only thing I'm basing my view on, as I've mentioned story and characters about fifteen times now. I think it's more childish and narrow-minded that you can't accept that I have a different opinion than you do. And it's not like I'm basing my opinion of PSO on nothing. I put in more than 100 hours before I got tired of it, and I had enough fun with it, but it never felt to me like I was playing anything more than a Phantasy Star-spinoff.

I'm sorry that you want a turn based single player RPG Phantasy Star and haven't gotten one.

You're not the one who has to be sorry about that. Sega is!

But don't sit in here saying that these games are not Phantasy Star games just because they changed the gameplay over the past 15-20 years.

Unless I get banned or this thread gets locked, I'm not gonna censor my opinion just 'cause you don't like it. Sorry dude.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

So because they don't say Phantasy Star V and are not Single Player RPGs they are no longer Phantasy Star titles even though they have the atmosphere, music, look and feel, item names, spell names, references, etc. to make them Phantasy Star? That's just like the idiotic viewpoint many fanatical Sonic fans take when they say the only real Sonic games are the 2D titles on the Genesis and ignore everything else.

The other issue here is your opinion is based on outdated information from 10 years ago. You haven't even tried PSU or the Portable titles, which were designed to be a little more like the classic games for those who complained that PSO didn't have enough story and didn't feel like the older games as much. Pretty much the setting and story for PSU and Phantasy Star Portable is a tribute to the old classic Phantasy Stars. If you played them you'd know this.

These games may not be Phantasy Star V, but they are still Phantasy Star games. Just because Sega hasn't made a Phantasy Star V just for you doesn't mean every other Phantasy Star game after IV isn't a Phantasy Star game.

I guess you think World of Warcraft isn't a Warcraft game due to similar logic.

I'm not demanding you censor your opinion because I don't agree with it, I'm saying if you don't like Phantasy Star Online or Phantasy Star Universe don't come into a thread talking about them and whine that you want Phantasy Star V. Make your own topic for that and let those of us who like Phantasy Star Online talk about it and the new game coming out without having to put up with whining and people claiming that what we are playing isn't really Phantasy Star.

[Black_Tiger]

So because they don't say Phantasy Star V and are not Single Player RPGs they are no longer Phantasy Star titles even though they have the atmosphere, music, look and feel, item names, spell names, references, etc. to make them Phantasy Star? That's just like the idiotic viewpoint many fanatical Sonic fans take when they say the only real Sonic games are the 2D titles on the Genesis and ignore everything else.

The other issue here is your opinion is based on outdated information from 10 years ago. You haven't even tried PSU or the Portable titles, which were designed to be a little more like the classic games for those who complained that PSO didn't have enough story and didn't feel like the older games as much. Pretty much the setting and story for PSU and Phantasy Star Portable is a tribute to the old classic Phantasy Stars. If you played them you'd know this.

These games may not be Phantasy Star V, but they are still Phantasy Star games. Just because Sega hasn't made a Phantasy Star V just for you doesn't mean every other Phantasy Star game after IV isn't a Phantasy Star game.

I guess you think World of Warcraft isn't a Warcraft game due to similar logic.

I'm not demanding you censor your opinion because I don't agree with it, I'm saying if you don't like Phantasy Star Online or Phantasy Star Universe don't come into a thread talking about them and whine that you want Phantasy Star V. Make your own topic for that and let those of us who like Phantasy Star Online talk about it and the new game coming out without having to put up with whining and people claiming that what we are playing isn't really Phantasy Star.

PSII, PSIV and PSO are all the same universe with the same level of tech and feel as though they are from the same time period and same culture.

The original Phantasy Star is very different from the rest and is the least "real" Phantasy Star game by the popular standard.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

I'd say the Original Phantasy Star has some bits that make it feel like it's part of the same universe as well. Parma is what really has that feel to it at least.

[jerry coeurl]

So because they don't say Phantasy Star V and are not Single Player RPGs they are no longer Phantasy Star titles even though they have the atmosphere, music, look and feel, item names, spell names, references, etc. to make them Phantasy Star? That's just like the idiotic viewpoint many fanatical Sonic fans take when they say the only real Sonic games are the 2D titles on the Genesis and ignore everything else.

They don't have the look and feel of Phantasy Star to me. The character designs do not remind me of Phantasy Star. The atmosphere and environments do not remind me of Phantasy Star. Music, spell names, item names and references to the old games aren't enough for me.

The other issue here is your opinion is based on outdated information from 10 years ago. You haven't even tried PSU or the Portable titles, which were designed to be a little more like the classic games for those who complained that PSO didn't have enough story and didn't feel like the older games as much. Pretty much the setting and story for PSU and Phantasy Star Portable is a tribute to the old classic Phantasy Stars. If you played them you'd know this.

They still don't offer a cohesive single-player experience. That is by your own admission. You said that you have to play PSU online to see all of the story, and that's not something I have an interest in.

These games may not be Phantasy Star V, but they are still Phantasy Star games. Just because Sega hasn't made a Phantasy Star V just for you doesn't mean every other Phantasy Star game after IV isn't a Phantasy Star game.

What do you mean "just for me?" Plenty of others in this thread have voiced the opinion that they'd like a Phantasy Star V. What, Melf doesn't count?

I guess you think World of Warcraft isn't a Warcraft game due to similar logic.

I don't think WoW is a proper Warcraft game, because it isn't. If someone wanted to play a game like Warcraft III, would you recommend them WoW? Sure, it features all of the races, characters, etc. It takes place in the "Warcraft" universe, but gameplay-wise it's very different. That's all I'm getting at with PSO. It offers a very different type of gameplay experience. It is not interchangeable with the earlier games.

I'm not demanding you censor your opinion because I don't agree with it, I'm saying if you don't like Phantasy Star Online or Phantasy Star Universe don't come into a thread talking about them and whine that you want Phantasy Star V.

First of all, never said I didn't like PSO, just that it didn't feel like Phantasy Star to me. Second of all, didn't you do the exact same thing in the "weed and retro games" thread that you're accusing me of here? Except that I have played PSO.

So Melf can talk about wanting a Phantasy Star V but I can't?

Make your own topic for that and let those of us who like Phantasy Star Online talk about it and the new game coming out without having to put up with whining and people claiming that what we are playing isn't really Phantasy Star.

If you don't like what I have to say, feel free to put me on your ignore list.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

I don't see why if you want Phantasy Star V you can't make your own topic about it instead of hijacking a thread talking about PSO2 to whine about it. This thread isn't about "Do you think PSO2 is a true Phantasy Star and do you think it's Phantasy Star V?" It's about PSO2 being free to play and coming out soon.

As for Melf, Melf didn't hijack and derail the thread, nor did he continue to push the subject after we pretty much came to an agreement. Melf also never said PSO, PSU, and PSO2 were not Phantasy Star Titles. He simply said they weren't Phantasy Star V, which we can all pretty much agree on.

And if someone wanted to play Warcraft III, I'd recommend them Warcraft III. If someone wanted to play a Warcraft Game that's the next or newest one in the series, I'd recommend World of Warcraft.

[jerry coeurl]

As for Melf, Melf didn't hijack and derail the thread, nor did he continue to push the subject after we pretty much came to an agreement. Melf also never said PSO, PSU, and PSO2 were not Phantasy Star Titles. He simply said they weren't Phantasy Star V, which we can all pretty much agree on.

He also said that just because PSO exists, doesn't mean there can't also be a proper Phantasy Star V, which is part of what I've been trying to say. You've been arguing that we don't need a PSV because PSO is a good replacement ("BETTER" in your words), and I was just trying to explain why it didn't cut it for me. Didn't mean to get you so worked up about it.

I tried to drop this way back on the second page, by the way...

I didn't mean to get in a fight over this, I do see the merit in these games, they're just not for me. And I don't feel like they have any significant connections to the original series.

And perhaps I should have left it at that. But you challenged me and told me my opinion was flat-out incorrect, so of course I'm going to respond.

My point about WoW and Warcraft III is that they aren't comparable in a gameplay sense. If someone told you they wanted to play a Mario game, would you recommend them Mario Kart or Super Mario World? Whether you agree or not, Sega HAS alienated fans of the original series by strongly deviating from the gameplay that the series originated with. And I have no idea why you think I'm the only one in the world who wants PSV, that's obviously not the case.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

I never said PSO was a replacement for PSV. I just said it was in fact a Phantasy Star game. I said the gameplay was better though. For a 3D RPG I'd rather have real time action than select an option and watch an elaborate animation on screen.

If someone asked me what the newest Mario game was, I'd say MarioKart if it happened to be the newest one.

[jerry coeurl]

I never said PSO was a replacement for PSV.

So why can't you accept that some of us would prefer to have the latter as well, then?

If someone asked me what the newest Mario game was, I'd say MarioKart if it happened to be the newest one.

Well, I think that's kinda disingenuous. It's being overly pedantic. Do you consider Mario is Missing to be a Mario game? Is Tails' Music Maker a Sonic game? Your argument, to me, seems to be that genre doesn't matter/isn't important to what makes a game. And I can't agree with that, because if I want a Sonic game (2D platformer) and you recommend Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine (a puzzle game), then I'm not gonna be happy with that recommendation. And I felt like that's what Sega did with the whole PSO thing.

And I'll try to leave it at that, as we've basically been repeating ourselves for the last 7 pages.

[TrekkiesUnite118]

I don't have a problem with you wanting Phantasy Star V over PSO, my problem is you saying PSO and PSU are not Phantasy Star games, when they are.

And if you specified "I want a Sonic game that's a 2D Platformer" I wouldn't give you Mean Bean Machine. But if you just said "I want a Sonic game" that opens the door to just about anything with Sonic.

While Mario is Missing is an educational kids game, it's still a Mario Game.

[jerry coeurl]

And if you specified "I want a Sonic game that's a 2D Platformer" I wouldn't give you Mean Bean Machine. But if you just said "I want a Sonic game" that opens the door to just about anything with Sonic.

While Mario is Missing is an educational kids game, it's still a Mario Game.

Agree to disagree, I guess. To me, Mario is Missing is simply using the Mario license to sell something that really has nothing to do with Mario. Same with Mean Bean Machine. There is nothing inherent in the gameplay of these titles that make them Mario or Sonic games. And that's how I feel, to a lesser extent, about PSO.

Anyway, I'm done here. Sorry to derail your thread.