Any other Master System fans?

[tomaitheous]

You still got 60 frames per second, of 262 lines and you use up most of the lines on your game code, and the little left for VRAM updates. GG has less VRAM bandwidth that SMS in 50Hz when you blank out the non visible lines (they are not blanked !). GG is a shit

Yeah, but who cares about PAL systems :P

[TmEE]

most poeple who care about SMS :P

[Kamahl]

Ninja Gaiden for the SMS is PAL only.
Therefore the SMS is PAL only.

[NeoZeedeater]

It came out in one NTSC region: Korea.

[j_factor]

Ninja Gaiden plays fine on my NTSC console.

[sheath]

I was going to say that I thought the PAL ROM worked fine on my Master Everdrive. It's been a while though.

[NeoZeedeater]

I was pleasantly surprised when I bought SMS Ninja Gaiden. I guess previously I had been playing the emulated version set to 50hz without realizing it. The increased speed when I played the real thing made the game better.

[j_factor]

I was pleasantly surprised when I bought SMS Ninja Gaiden. I guess previously I had been playing the emulated version set to 50hz without realizing it. The increased speed when I played the real thing made the game better.

The increased speed is the only way I've ever played it. But I do like the fast speed a lot. It's my favorite Ninja Gaiden game.

[NeoZeedeater]

I didn't like SMS Ninja Gaiden much the first time I played it. As a huge fan of the NES games, I was disappointed it didn't have the same artistic flair with the cinemas, bosses, or music. It made me wish they had just graphically updated the NES games instead. I definitely grew to appreciate it, though. The gameplay's solid and that's what matters most. The controls are perfectly done and the wall jump's a cool move. And visually, there's some great use of colour that makes up a bit for the lesser (but still fine) character designs.

[j_factor]

I find the NES games too exacting with collision detection. Your sword has to line up a certain way or it won't register a hit even if it's clearly overlapping the enemy sprite.

[sheath]

I find the first NES Ninja Gaiden too impossible in the last level just because of how far it sends you without energy recharges and sends you back if you die. I think I've made it most way through the fight with Ryu's father and that's it. I have the second game too, I just haven't played it much. Ninja Gaiden Black on the hardest difficulty is a cake walk compared to the first NES game though. If I could press a button to dodge attacks in the NES game I'd be golden.

[TheSonicRetard]

The trick is to play the old Ninja Gaiden games like a rhythm game. Always move forward. I can beat the entire trilogy today. I also love the new games, although I haven't played NG3 yet. NG Black is probably my favorite of the new games.

[ApolloBoy]

I was pleasantly surprised when I bought SMS Ninja Gaiden. I guess previously I had been playing the emulated version set to 50hz without realizing it. The increased speed when I played the real thing made the game better.

Most later SMS games were still programmed in Japan so playing stuff like Ninja Gaiden on an NTSC system means you're playing them at the proper speed.

[sheath]

I forgot that I had the Master System game library annotated in the old Game Pilgrimage archive.

http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/SMSgames.htm

[A Black Falcon]

I don't think this is really true. NES was more famous for the "same name, different game" phenomenon with regards to contemporary arcade games. NES does have a lot more old arcade games, like Pac-Man and Donkey Kong, if that's what you were talking about, but those don't really count, in my mind.

What, so an arcade game doesn't count as an arcade game if it was released before 1985 or something? Do you have any idea how insane that makes you sound?

I mean, seriously, the NES was the first console with near-perfect ports of almost all of the early to mid '80s arcade games ported to it. Just about any arcade game on both the NES and older consoles not only was better on NES, but was way better -- and remember, the NES is 1983 hardware. Released the same day as the far, far less powerful Sega SG-1000, and only a year after the also far, far less powerful Vectrex, Colecovision, and Atari 5200 (all of which I think should be considered 3rd gen consoles, as I've said before; it's insane to put those systems, called next-gen at the time, in the same gen as the 2600 just because they all failed). Stuff like Pac-Man, Ms. Pac-Man, Bump n Jump, Millipide, Gyruss, Burgertime, Donkey Kong, DK Jr., and plenty more... they just blow away all prior ports.

You're right that late '80s to early '90s arcade games ported to the NES sometimes have "same name, different game" designs, from Strider to Splatterhouse: Wanpaku Graffiti to Mighty Final Fight and plenty more, and other times are clearly inferior ports (TMNT II: The Arcade Game...), but earlier games have near-perfect, or even better than the arcade (Gyruss) ports, and those later "same name but different" ones are often great games too. It's the ones in between that have more mixed results, but that varies from game to game.

I guess I can agree to this. I don't like the NES very much. I'm not a huge fan of SMS either, but I slightly prefer it over NES.

So you just don't really like 8-bit games in general? Alright, I know some people feel that way.

To me, lots of NES games just don't "feel" right. I mean, the SMB games play great, along with Kirby's Adventure, and one of my favorite NES games, Shatterhand. I wish more NES games were like those. Instead, all too often they have really weird jump physics, gimped controls, or poor collision detection. A lot of NES games that people commonly tout suffer from these problems. Often I can still see the game's good qualities, but these issues just ruin it for me. It doesn't always ruin it for me -- it also results in quite a few "I like the game, but..." situations.

I haven't played Shatterhand, but Kirby's Adventure is one of my favorite NES games, yeah... I love that it actually has oncart saving. It's the only NES platformer with battery save... if only more had had it.

The gameplay's exceptional too of course. Great enhancement from the original GB KDL game.

I have never seen anyone actually recommend those on SMS. Yes, they're not worth bothering with. Every system has games not worth bothering with. This has nothing to do with anything.

Apparently some people in this thread recommend the last of those at least...