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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantar View Post
    @StarMist: Oh, if you want to do Strategy Games you're very welcome, I don't claim them as my own. I've practically done reviews in almost every genre imaginable, and after doing several strategy games in a row I need a break anyway.
    I wasn't being coy, the only strategy games I'd dream of playing are Bahamut Senki and Vixen 357 (which is much closer to Shining Force). Perhaps Hybrid Front once I learn what the hell it is.

    I'll jot down that "Hurricanes" has been claimed. Just one request though: If you want to announce a review, please do so in the Upcoming Reviews and Features- thread. I want to keep things nice and tidy in this thread, spreading claims over two topics just makes things harder to assess!
    I already had, where it'd been overlooked. So did my addition to VGC's list, Barbie Vacation Adventure. Not that I'd want to play it but if you're going to pretend a game doesn't exist Rocky and Bullwinkle would be the one.

    Amendments to your list:
    Vixen 357 is an SRPG.
    Yuu Yuu Hakusho Gaiden is an RPG.
    Smurfs 2 has been called by makinagenesis if he's still a participating member.
    --NHK Taiga ~ ~ = are you sure this is on MD? I've only ever heard of it on PCE.
    Sega's "tokoshan" games should be 'toshokan'.

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    So if the review standard for protos is that it's completed but simply unreleased, are any of these not eligible?

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenband View Post
    Beastball, Davis Cup World Tour Tennis 2, Dragon's Lair, Fido Dido, It Came from the Desert (which can be finished IIRC), Itchy & Scratchy, Jelly Boy, ResQ, Stone Protectors...those are the ones I can come up with, and all but DCWTT2 have been reproed FWIW.
    I'm pretty sure all of those were completed, though I'm not sure about Itchy & Scratchy.

    I have to admit that the standards for pirate vs. unlicensed original are still a little bit fuzzy, but I guess we'll handle it on a case-by-case basis. Obviously we don't want to include mere title screen/graphics hacks like Ice Age, and I can understand categorizing original games like Tiny Toon Adventures 3 as pirates, since they broadcast their infringement. OTOH, I can't take a look at a game like, say, 777 Casino and be metaphysically certain that it hasn't stolen a single sprite or melody. Heck, even Wukong has a stolen tune, so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarMist View Post
    I already had, where it'd been overlooked. So did my addition to VGC's list, Barbie Vacation Adventure. Not that I'd want to play it but if you're going to pretend a game doesn't exist Rocky and Bullwinkle would be the one.
    I appreciate your effort, but Barbie Vacation Adventure was never officially released for the Genesis - it lacks an entry in Mobygames, and Guardiana lists it as "unreleased". I had it included under "unreleased", and bumped it down to "proto/beta" for the time being until it's cleared up if the game deserves review status or not. So no, it hasn't been overlooked.

    Quote Originally Posted by StarMist View Post
    Amendments to your list:
    Vixen 357 is an SRPG.
    Yuu Yuu Hakusho Gaiden is an RPG.
    Smurfs 2 has been called by makinagenesis if he's still a participating member.
    --NHK Taiga ~ ~ = are you sure this is on MD? I've only ever heard of it on PCE.
    Sega's "tokoshan" games should be 'toshokan'.
    Vixen is corrected, Yu Yu Hakusho Gaiden is listed as adventure (or "Inquiry game") elsewhere, so I kept that description. Regarding Smurfs 2, I looked it up and makingagenesis said "if i was confident enough of writing a presentable review i'd like to review it" - which doesn't sound like a definite claim for writing a review to me. If you still want to claim it, go ahead! I like your reviews, and I'd like seeing Smurfs 2 added to our library. NHK Taiga is listed at Guardiana. The "Toshokan"-typo was my bad... thanks for clearing that up.

    @goldenband: I think I'll have to leave this one up for Melf to decide. Until he gives the word, I'll leave those down at "proto/beta"-status - no review, but a feature is okay. As soon as he gives the okay, I'll bump them (and Barbie Vacation Adventure) up to "unreleased".
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    I've been meaning to post this before but I think we should just make a new section of the reviews underneath the 32X section simply titled prototype or unreleased. That way we could cover those games and not have to worry about those being confused with the rest of them. I'd love to learn more about them and play them more too. I know we have a section in the features but I think they just get lost there and don't get the coverage they deserve since there are some great games that were never released or finished. We don't even have to score games that arent finished but just write a real nice review of what's there and whether it's worth checking out or not. It would also probably increase the review flow for the site too.

    Melf what do you think? Anyone else care to comment?
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    Sounds like a fine idea to me! And I agree that individual games get lost if they're only in the "Features" section; yes, you can Google site:sega-16.com + [game name], but it's not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantar View Post
    I appreciate your effort, but Barbie Vacation Adventure was never officially released for the Genesis - it lacks an entry in Mobygames, and Guardiana lists it as "unreleased". I had it included under "unreleased", and bumped it down to "proto/beta" for the time being until it's cleared up if the game deserves review status or not. So no, it hasn't been overlooked.
    Good call, I was sure I'd seen the game in Genesis lots--turns out the actually released Barbie game looks about the same. They probably all do on every console. One caveat though: Mobygames lacks entries for a great many titles, a relevant example being Shura no Mon (PS) which I looked up earlier to research the connexion between it and the MD version--same source material but the PS game's a platformer--and Moby doesn't have. I'm quite certain it exists, you could buy one off Ebay. So in the future I'll try to doublecheck things against Guardiana.

    Regarding Smurfs 2, I looked it up and makingagenesis said "if i was confident enough of writing a presentable review i'd like to review it" - which doesn't sound like a definite claim for writing a review to me.
    Ahh, he told me he was girt to do it; I overlooked whether he'd confirmed it in the thread. I've messaged him, we'll see whether he returns.
    If you still want to claim it, go ahead! I like your reviews, and I'd like seeing Smurfs 2 added to our library.
    ...Thus Phantar lost all credibility on Sega-16 and was sent in exile to the Gamefaqs forums for all eternity.

    NHK Taiga is listed at Guardiana.
    Damn, I've seen that cover. 2 strikes against me in 1 post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melf View Post
    Only legitimate releases are eligible for review. Any hacks, pirates, protos, etc. are not eligible, since they weren't retail or Sega Channel releases. Unlicensed games, such as those by Wisdom Tree and Chinese releases, are acceptable. All the others go in features.
    Where do the Good Deal Games Sega CD games fit in, specifically stuff like Battle Frenzy (got a EU release followed by GDG's release in 2004, yet it's listed as a prototype/homebrew) or The Smurfs (a recent GDG addition, but it has the same circumstances as Battle Frenzy)? I can understand the unfinished stuff GDG released not being eligible for review, though there is apparently a complete (i.e. not GDG's) version of Time Cop floating around on the internet, but Battle Frenzy was in fact finished and released in EU only until GDG's unlicensed release. The Smurfs, on the other hand, I guess can now be considered a NA-released unlicensed game.

    Finally, Johnny Mnemonic (which GDG has also recently released) should be a finished game, since it's simply a port of the PC version & was apparently published by Sony ImageSoft, so it likely suffered the same fate as Star Strike & Bug Blasters, i.e. finished but not released. But, to be honest, this is just a guess but I do have a copy of GDG's version coming to me so I can check to see if it is a complete game... Though it's apparently insanely hard to play, to the point where even GDG admits that the game is more of a collector's piece than an enjoyable game.

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    Good Deal games' stuff should be counted as they're techincally released now and should be moved to the Sega CD section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vintagegamecrazy View Post
    I've been meaning to post this before but I think we should just make a new section of the reviews underneath the 32X section simply titled prototype or unreleased. That way we could cover those games and not have to worry about those being confused with the rest of them. I'd love to learn more about them and play them more too. I know we have a section in the features but I think they just get lost there and don't get the coverage they deserve since there are some great games that were never released or finished. We don't even have to score games that arent finished but just write a real nice review of what's there and whether it's worth checking out or not. It would also probably increase the review flow for the site too.

    Melf what do you think? Anyone else care to comment?
    Not a bad idea. In any case I think the unreleased games should probably not be treated the same as the released ones. The circumstances of the game surfacing (Mr. Nutz 2 had to be compiled from source code, while Lobo was a community effort) are vastly different, and it somehow wouldn't feel right to treat them the same way as properly released titles. Penn & Teller was a bit of a fluke, but I think it's forgivable as it was the first instance (also, well, it's as complete as it gets, so if you want to play another round of Desert Bus, here's your chance). As it's very hard to tell whether an unreleased game is actually really absolutely 100% complete or not, shifting them into their own category doesn't sound like a bad idea, especially as occasionally the odd new prototype or even nearly complete game pops up (even if it may take several years for the next one to appear).

    Quote Originally Posted by LordGeo View Post
    Where do the Good Deal Games Sega CD games fit in, specifically stuff like Battle Frenzy (got a EU release followed by GDG's release in 2004, yet it's listed as a prototype/homebrew) or The Smurfs (a recent GDG addition, but it has the same circumstances as Battle Frenzy)?
    Battle Frenzy should already be up there with the European releases, so that was an oversight. The Smurfs is already included in the list.[/quote]

    Finally, Johnny Mnemonic (which GDG has also recently released) should be a finished game, since it's simply a port of the PC version & was apparently published by Sony ImageSoft, so it likely suffered the same fate as Star Strike & Bug Blasters, i.e. finished but not released. But, to be honest, this is just a guess but I do have a copy of GDG's version coming to me so I can check to see if it is a complete game... Though it's apparently insanely hard to play, to the point where even GDG admits that the game is more of a collector's piece than an enjoyable game.
    If Johnny Mnemonic is anything like the PC version then it is indeed a near unplayable mess... it was hard enough to play it on a keyboard, but on a controller...? Still, it has been released now, and if it's at least barely playable it should be included in the releases list. (btw LordGeo, if you don't mind I'd like to hear your opinion on the game once it arrives, just an impression about how hard to play it really is...)

    In the Appendix version of "Home Video Games Vol 3" The games Battle Frenzy, Frog Feast and Mighty Mighty Missile are listed as game releases. Though the latter is just a downgrade/retroport of "Chu Chu Rocket", and if I'm not mistaken it doesn't have all the levels of the latter. I'll bump up Frog Feast in any case, though. Since Time Cop and Grey Death Legion are only distributed as Demos, they stay where they are.

    By the way, apparently there also once was a Genesis Cart release of Frog Feast back in 2005 (According to Mobygames also for the Snes, the Jaguar and the CD-I). Can anyone confirm this?
    Last edited by Phantar; 09-05-2012 at 03:26 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantar View Post
    Not a bad idea. In any case I think the unreleased games should probably not be treated the same as the released ones. The circumstances of the game surfacing (Mr. Nutz 2 had to be compiled from source code, while Lobo was a community effort) are vastly different, and it somehow wouldn't feel right to treat them the same way as properly released titles.
    I think if we make too many categories, it will cause confusion. I'm trying to categorize releases by the simplest and most useful categories possible: finished game or not. If we go with separating the unreleased games from the released ones, we'll be forced to distinguish the unlicensed from the licensed ones, then someone will want after-market releases to be separate, etc. By simply separating them by whether or not they are complete, we give readers the basic information they want: can I play the game through to completion or not? All other details, like if it's licensed or not, can be discussed in the review itself.

    I don't think we should give hacks and protos a separate category for several reasons. First, there aren't all that many, so it won't really pad our review queue. Second, you can't really score something that's not finished, so it wouldn't even fit the requirements of the Review Manifest (no score = not a review). Third, I don't want to really give pirates any legitimacy beyond simply acknowledging that they're out there. I don't want to make it sound like we're encouraging piracy or something.

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    Understood.

    To my knowledge, these games can be finished and considered to be "Complete":

    ResQ (shoot'em'up)
    It Came From The Desert (action-Adventure)
    Fido Dido (platform)
    Jelly Boy (platform)
    Lobo (fighting)
    Mr. Nutz 2 (platform)
    Tecmo Cup (simulation)
    Barbie Vacation Adventure (misc) (hard to tell really, but it controls about as bad as the officially released SNES game, and from what I've seen it seems complete)

    Ninja Gaiden can be played until the end, but the controls are so obviously broken and unfinished that it can't be considered a "complete" game.

    Pretty much unfinished (to my knowledge):
    - Jim Power
    - Might & Magic III
    - Super Shinobi 2
    - Iron Hammer
    - Ninja Gaiden
    - Prince Of Persia 2: The Shadow Of Flame (platform-adventure)

    Need more information on:
    Beastball (sports)
    Beyond Zero Tolerance (beta) (FPS)
    Davis Cup World Tour Tennis 2 (sport)
    Dragon's Lair (platform) (The Dragon's Lair version leaked in June/July 2011 is ""almost bug-free and more or less complete" - some animation is missing)
    Itchy & Scratchy (action) (oddly enough, the Genesis version appears on several release lists as "released", and I own an old issue (Sega Magazin 7/94) where the game was reviewed. Still not sure in what state the existing ROM is in, though).
    Stone Protectors (Beat'em'up)
    Last edited by Phantar; 09-13-2012 at 07:09 PM.
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    I was given the task of doing Magic Girl and Mega SWIV a while ago.
    If I'm still in the game I'll try to get my ass off the couch and do them soon.

    Is it ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantar View Post
    Need more information on:
    Beastball (sports)
    Beyond Zero Tolerance (beta) (FPS)
    Davis Cup World Tour Tennis 2 (sport)
    Dragon's Lair (platform)
    Itchy & Scratchy (action)
    Stone Protectors (Beat'em'up)
    Beastball (Brutal Football) is pretty much complete AFAIK. Maybe need some polishing in the source code (it runs slow) but it plays very well (collision detection, etc...).
    Beyond Zero Tolerance is totally incomplete, barely developed.
    Stone Protectors is totally complete AFAIK. The scrolling is a bit iffy since you need to "push" the screen unlike in the SNES version but rather than that it's pretty much complete and plays very well. There's some stuff like parallax in the snow effect that is not present in the SNES version...

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    @Barone: Thanks for the info. I only saw a video on the Genesis version of Stone Protectors. Thought I noticed a few minor graphical glitches here and there, but that could have been just the video.

    @Kollision: Hadn't seen that before. Just do them then
    Last edited by Phantar; 09-06-2012 at 04:52 AM.
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    I just looked at SegaRetro (mind you, like any wiki, that's not a definite know-all source, but a very good starting point for basic research): Here's a list of unreleased known Mega Drive Games. However, the data is incomplete, as in most cases it is not known whether the game was completed or whether the existing rom can be considered complete or not.

    The following games are definitely NOT complete and therefore not eligible for review:
    Davis Cup Tennis 2
    DynoBlaze
    Elite (space-sim)
    Slam: Shaq vs. The Legends (sport)
    Swamp Thing (action)
    Waterworld (Action)
    Wacky Races ("All the stages and modes appear to be in working order, but the prototype informs the user that it was "meant for demonstration purposes only" which suggests more work was intended before home release.")


    The following roms exist but aren't confirmed whether or not they are complete (confirmation needed: Are they buggy/prone to glitches/crashing/incomplete):
    Baby Boom
    Baby's Day Out
    The Chaos Engine 2
    Congo
    Dominus
    Flash Point
    Fun Car Rally
    Itchy & Scratchy
    Scrabble
    Wild Snake
    Zombie High

    If anyone can shine a little light on the status of these games, that would be much appreciated.
    Last edited by Phantar; 09-13-2012 at 07:11 PM.
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