Genesis Rpgs

[megabomberman]

Right lads after sitting through tonnes of Rpg debates between 108stars, zebbe, Demonic weasel and even Vehemont and Joe I've been exposed to a volume of conflicting opinions on Genesis Rpgs,

I missed the boat when I owned a gen myself and never played but a tiny few Rpgs on it,

108 argues against the gens rpgs when compared to the snes but zebbe's lists do seem rather mouth watering,

The question is which Rpg is most worthwhile?

Which one should I go after now?

PS: Tavern Rpg obviously will be obligatory!

[108 Stars]

Oh, you made a tough voting; because it is a bit inacurate. Like I said to Zebbe, I wouldn´t exactly count Landstalker, Beyond Oasis or Crusader of Centy as RPGs since there are no EXP or character developement...but since it´s on the list I voted Landstalker.

Out of the "true" RPGs on the list I´d say PS IV; not "one of the Phantasy Stars", because I like PS IV very much while I hate II and III. So that is a bit of a flaw in the voting too...

BTW, since you live in Éire, you should choose the European names; Crusader of Centy is Soleil, Beyond Oasis is the Story of Thor. It´ll make your search easier.

[megabomberman]

True true, relevant qualms, but its still hard to do a poll voting for all games in a genre so it had to be done this way, the medium of discussion can distinguish however as you have done yourself, plus gen knight would never have forgiven me for leaving out beyond oasis.....

Plus one other thing, Final Fantasy is a great Rpg but not the defining blueprint for what an Rpg actually is, for instance Starflight is an Rpg, yet there are no levels or really even a character, you are an intergalactic spaceship, but it still fits the loose criteria...

EDIT: I know, I know, sure I'm even calling my bloody megadrive a genesis since I came no this site! Us Europeans are frightfully marginalised... Oh well I guess we don't have the right to speak up the only successful game ever to come out of Europe was considered Donkey bloody Kong....

i guess its going to change now though as Britain, France and Germany have all decided to settle their differnences and make an incredible 16 bit rpg!

[108 Stars]

EDIT: I know, I know, sure I'm even calling my bloody megadrive a genesis since I came no this site! Us Europeans are frightfully marginalised... Oh well I guess we don't have the right to speak up the only successful game ever to come out of Europe was considered Donkey bloody Kong....

i guess its going to change now though as Britain, France and Germany have all decided to settle their differnences and make an incredible 16 bit rpg!

...and WipEout. And FarCry. And GTA. And Popolus. And Turrican. And Rayman. And Ultima. And Goldeneye 64. All successfull titles from Europe.
And I am afraid Britain has not yet decided to settle the differences...we do not have a single British team-member (and no American either).

About RPGs...yeah, you do have a point with Starflight. Hard to put it in any genre. But I do not think FF defines what an RPG must be either. That would be stuff like Wizardry or Ultima imho.
Why do I call Landstalker an Action-Adventure but not an RPG? Well. For one because I learned it that way. And there is the strong connection to LucasArts-Adventures of using items to solve puzzles, which is a main ingredient in those games while experience does not play much of a role. The thing that makes the difference between Maniac Mansion and Soleil is the added interactivity; the "action". So "Action-Adventure". Makes sense for me.

[megabomberman]

...and WipEout. And FarCry. And GTA. And Popolus. And Turrican. And Rayman. And Ultima. And Goldeneye 64.

You are entirely correct here, but I should have specified I was referring to the 16 bit era... And there only the Turrican series really springs to mind, without being a smash hit, One thing though.. Us Europeans have great taste.. Megadrive ruled over here

And we often got the best of both worlds, Practically all gen games, and many titles the US missed out on. Think Alien Soldier

And I am afraid Britain has not yet decided to settle the differences...we do not have a single British team-member

Not a part of the team anymore, but didn't Mendicant contribute, completing the triangle of hate!

Why do I call Landstalker an Action-Adventure but not an RPG? Well. For one because I learned it that way. And there is the strong connection to LucasArts-Adventures of using items to solve puzzles, which is a main ingredient in those games while experience does not play much of a role.

Once again very true, but so many elements of it relate to the Rpg genre, that its hard to not lump them in with that genre, for instance the playing time is the most notable factor, your abilities and health increase throughout the game, not experience but close. Also what little story there is does progress as you venture on. Money and magic is another characteristc and speech. Not quite Rpgs as I know and love but its hard to cast a blind eye to them.

The thing that makes the difference between Maniac Mansion and Soleil is the added interactivity; the "action". So "Action-Adventure". Makes sense for me.

Once again makes a whole lot of sense to me too, but still action adventure imo is a sub genre to Rpgs, while not being the same, are refreshing and almost arouse the same delight as a classic chrono trigger or final fantasy Rpg...

Basically its the difference between Zelda and FF...

[108 Stars]

Not a part of the team anymore, but didn't Mendicant contribute, completing the triangle of hate!

Yes, but unfortunately Mendicant is not from Britain, he´s from Bangladesh, a place once enslaved by Britain like you were. And he has recently rejoined us to help a bit.
But still, it is good to have a French and a German in the team, since our countries connection once was the so-called hereditary enmity

Basically its the difference between Zelda and FF...

Basically, that is it; both good examples for their genres.

[Demonic Weasel]

Bah. I'll start by saying you should get Shining Force.

Now that my personal bias has been thrown in, I can be more honest. Basically, this depends on what type of game you like to play, as 108 Stars has said, Landstalker, Beyond Oasis, Crusader of Centy etc. are more adventure type games.

Shining Force is tactical and the Phantasy Star's are more traditional. While I personally think that all of these titles are worth owning, being a Shining Force fanatic, that's naturally how I have to advise you. On the other side of the coin, you can't go wrong with Phantasy Star IV. If you don't mind a challenge, PSII might be a decent choice. And Beyond Oasis and Landstalker are the best adventure games you could try to track down.

[108 Stars]

I am a bit disturbed because you agreed with me. Would you please say something to piss me off?

[GameUser-16-32-128]

Get all 3 Phantasy Star games, they are all worth it! PS II is hard, PS III has frequent battles, but multiple endings, PS IV is easy but has the best graphics and sound. You can't go wrong with either one!

[108 Stars]

Get all 3 Phantasy Star games, they are all worth it! PS II is hard, PS III has frequent battles, but multiple endings, PS IV is easy but has the best graphics and sound. You can't go wrong with either one!

Yes, you can only go terribly wrong with parts II and III.

[Zebbe]

I recommend starting with Phantasy Star on the Master System/Power Base Converter. Then continue with II, III and IV. Since they are connected to each other, more or less, it will enhance the overall experience. And since number four is the best one, and eclipsing the circle so perfectly, it will put a special place in your heart like no other game and franchise can.

I still have loads of great RPGs to play on my Mega Drive. This great site is an essential reference in your role play hunting, so read the reviews and features!

[Vehemont]

It all depends on what your tastes are like stated above. I myself have not played most of these games, but I like stratagey RPG's, and I have heard alot of great things about the Shining Force series so you might want to go with that. Also PSIV is essential to any RPG fan. I am not so sure about PSIII though...

[Alianger]

Not a good way to make an RPG poll since it includes halfbreeds and bunches together the PS and SF games which have very varying quality..

I'd recommend either PSIV or SF2 depending on what you like: Lare scale, strategic battles (SF2) and straightforward gameplay or smaller, party-based battles and more focus on exploration and storyline.

If you don't have a problem with emulation or playing a japanese game, then Langrisser 2 is a good game to play first. It's more of a strategy game than an RPG but easily the best of its kind for the MD.

[Demonic Weasel]

I am a bit disturbed because you agreed with me. Would you please say something to piss me off?

You yourself once said that we're really not all that different. We mainly disagree on how many times something can be improved, and whether or not the Saturn was tosh console.

In this case, although I think that PSII (and III to a lesser extent) has merit that you overlook, you only said things that I had to agree with. But, if you want me to piss you off; I cannot believe that anyone ever said that Phantasy Star IV is a good RPG! It sucks real bad, you can have no fun with it! Graphics is dumb comic book, get Xbox, that's a worthwile console!

How's that?

[Blaze]

Crusader Of Centy