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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishNinja View Post
    imagine looking at the early bush administration and deciding yes, this is the group that can pull off the biggest american conspiracy without a hitch/any real leaks

    just imagine

    fucksake, you don't gonna look far to find something viable, like uh, the gulf of tonkin, or the CIA"s hand in the US crack epidemic during the iran-contra years. 9/11 truthers should be dismissed right along with flat earthers.
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    Hey I'm bowing out of this thread. I'm not The Edge or whoever else. I've stated the factual, physical inaccuracies with the official stories. crystal is doing ad hominem. mega drive thankfully acknowledges that JFK is still a mystery. Irish, the idea is not that someone else decided the bush admin would be ripe for a conspiracy, the idea is that the bush admin ITSELF was the source of the conspiracy. And they fucked it all up with all the impossible claims inherent in the official story.

    I guess what's tricky is that making accurate responses makes me look like I care what you guys think, but I don't care what you guys think. The truth will make itself known to those who are looking into it.

    One thing we can all agree with is that flat-earthers are ridiculous lol.

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    Since when did facts become ad hominem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystalpepsifan View Post
    Since when did facts become ad hominem?
    You just said something about crippled creativity of stupid people, or something like that lol.

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    JFK was murdered by a conspiracy of individuals that took particular exception to his desire to extricate the United States from the machinations of a certain nation. A conspiracy is a group plotting action, normally through subterfuge, and typically against the law of the land. There are plenty of genuine conspiracies going on right now, but the idiot media has everyone believing that the word conspiracy is synonymous with crackpot BS theory. It's the same idiot media that has people thinking the envy and jealousy are synonyms, and that decimate means to annihilate. No wonder they stopped teaching Latin, or people might actually know what most words meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecco View Post
    Irish, the idea is not that someone else decided the bush admin would be ripe for a conspiracy, the idea is that the bush admin ITSELF was the source of the conspiracy. And they fucked it all up with all the impossible claims inherent in the official story.
    right, i'm specifically refuting that notion - even in internet 1.0 days, the bush/cheney admin was laughably incompetent, despite managing to somehow squander 9-11 sympathy/anti-terrorist momentum into the failure that was the iraqi war. i literally can't wrap my head around the notion that anyone thinks they were nearly competent enough to pull off the single greatest american deception - with all the cogs needed to do so - without nearly a hitch. i mean, i lean hard left and i don't know that i've ever seen an american administration that could've managed that, but...them? really?

    the part from the 9-11 commission report i rarely ever hear talked about is the bit that acknowledges the primary motivation for the attack was our shitty foreign policy constantly interfering in the middle east...of course, one would imagine that bit would be the quiet part when revving up the gears to go fuck things up some more & make more moderates into ISIS/etc sympathizers in the name of glorious no-bid contracts and power vacuums.


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    Irish: While I think George W. was personally an idiot, the conspiracy theory is more that his admin planned out the false-flag attack, so they could launch wars and sell military gear (guns, bullets, tanks, clothing, etc.), and take over oil fields in Iraq, and take over the opium fields in Afghanistan, etc. I think Dick Cheney had his own company that was appointed to rebuild all the infrastructure destroyed by the wars.

    It's really not far-fetched at all, and it doesn't require George W. to have any intelligence himself lol. He just had friends who were selfish, evil war-mongers, that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishNinja View Post
    right, i'm specifically refuting that notion - even in internet 1.0 days, the bush/cheney admin was laughably incompetent, despite managing to somehow squander 9-11 sympathy/anti-terrorist momentum into the failure that was the iraqi war. i literally can't wrap my head around the notion that anyone thinks they were nearly competent enough to pull off the single greatest american deception - with all the cogs needed to do so - without nearly a hitch. i mean, i lean hard left and i don't know that i've ever seen an american administration that could've managed that, but...them? really?

    the part from the 9-11 commission report i rarely ever hear talked about is the bit that acknowledges the primary motivation for the attack was our shitty foreign policy constantly interfering in the middle east...of course, one would imagine that bit would be the quiet part when revving up the gears to go fuck things up some more & make more moderates into ISIS/etc sympathizers in the name of glorious no-bid contracts and power vacuums.

    you make a very good point.

    imagine this:

    the usa has spent and lost 1000 billion dollars on the war on drugs in just 40 years without ANY improvement in terms of decreasing drug addict numbers, overdoses, drug trade, cirminal organisations etc. it has killed over 1 million people, impoverished and corrupted almost the entire latin america, causing millions of refugees (to the usa because irony is a bitch). imagine if those 1000 billion dollars were spent on improving those economies. decreasing income disparity. latin america would be a lot richer. it would've had way bigger economies. a much larger middle class and therefore way better export opportunities for the usa, making the usa much richer as well. literally only advantages. yet people in the usa still believe they should fight drugs.

    same can be applied on the middle east. imagine if the us did not interfere in the middle east and africa like they did. it would've saved them over 7000 billion dollars!!! (yes you read that right) that amount of money would've gotten rid of virtually all bacterial diseases like malaria on this planet.

    can you imagine the global image the usa would've gotten if they had spend all that money on improving the world around them? no terrorism since everyone would've loved them.

    I'll admitt right here I fucking hate the usa, or at least nearly 50% of it's population that are more stupid (republican voters and worse) than the turd I laid in the toilet this morning. but I would've loved the usa as well had they done what they could've done.

    right now the usa is going to shits because karma is a bitch.
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    crystalpepsifan what quatum chicanery is allowing you to post while banned bruh

    Quote Originally Posted by Ecco View Post
    Irish: While I think George W. was personally an idiot, the conspiracy theory is more that his admin planned out the false-flag attack, so they could launch wars and sell military gear (guns, bullets, tanks, clothing, etc.), and take over oil fields in Iraq, and take over the opium fields in Afghanistan, etc. I think Dick Cheney had his own company that was appointed to rebuild all the infrastructure destroyed by the wars.

    It's really not far-fetched at all, and it doesn't require George W. to have any intelligence himself lol. He just had friends who were selfish, evil war-mongers, that's all.
    right right, i wholly agree that the incentive was there - and again, you'll not see me arguing that, as usual, there were clear lies to get the drums of war going & the public on board

    but let's put this whole thing on cheney's (compared to the laughably leaky/incompetent trump admin) capable hands. the sheer number of people involved that you'd need to pull off something of this scale presupposes that literally none of them - presumably many with enough knowledge to blow the whole thing open, and be revered a hero/make a literal killing off the book/etc deals - were willing to come forward, even in the face of what later became a widely unpopular admin/war effort.

    every conspiracy theory i've seen has somehow skated past the fact that you'd need tremendous faith in countless people that'd have next to no reason to stay historically silent.

    to me, this is up there with the one about how we've cured cancer, but some groups keep it under wraps...like, you'd only need one person eager to be this generation's dr john salk - literally the dream of about everyone in that field - for that to fall by the wayside, but i'm supposed to believe that no one is willing to topple that house of cards? it's so very counter-intuitive in the system that we live in. i wish our world was that exciting, but no, nazis aside, we mostly have the banal, apathetic kinds of evil, versus the dr. DOOM like machinations this would require.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bultje112 View Post
    imagine this:

    the usa has spent and lost 1000 billion dollars on the war on drugs in just 40 years without ANY improvement in terms of decreasing drug addict numbers, overdoses, drug trade, cirminal organisations etc. it has killed over 1 million people, impoverished and corrupted almost the entire latin america, causing millions of refugees (to the usa because irony is a bitch). imagine if those 1000 billion dollars were spent on improving those economies. decreasing income disparity. latin america would be a lot richer. it would've had way bigger economies. a much larger middle class and therefore way better export opportunities for the usa, making the usa much richer as well. literally only advantages. yet people in the usa still believe they should fight drugs.

    same can be applied on the middle east. imagine if the us did not interfere in the middle east and africa like they did. it would've saved them over 7000 million dollars!!! (yes you read that right) that amount of money would've gotten rid of virtually all bacterial diseases like malaria on this planet.

    can you imagine the global image the usa would've gotten if they had spend all that money on improving the world around them? no terrorism since everyone would've loved them.

    I'll admitt right here I fucking hate the usa, or at least nearly 50% of it's population that are more stupid (republican voters and worse) than the turd I laid in the toilet this morning. but I would've loved the usa as well had they done what they could've done.

    right now the usa is going to shits because karma is a bitch.
    I'll just add that MOST Americans hate the current non-president Trump. Please keep that in mind. Obama was well-loved by most Americans, and most of the world.

    At most, Trump supporters might be 1/3 of our country. The 1/3 which are uneducated farmers, basically.

    2 out of 3 Americans are smart enough to know better.

    The current non-presidency is like a bad dream that we are stuck in. I never would have thought it would get so bad, but there's a lot of ignorant farmers in our country.

    ALSO our voting rate is only about 50%, which is ridiculously low. So basically Trump and Hillary each only got about 25% of the population's votes, while half the country stayed home and watched pornography apparently.

    Just imagine if the other half of the country voted for one person, he or she would have gotten HALF of the country's votes, and destroyed both Hillary and Trump. (Bernie was the best choice.)

    November elections will most likely bring some Democrats into power, and balance things out a bit. Also hoping Trump gets impeached and kicked out of office for treason and human rights violations, etc.

    November is coming soon.

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    man, consider that trump lost the popular vote by literally millions...and as you said, for many reasons (right-wing voter suppression efforts, inability, general apathy created by an unexciting 2-party system that doesn't represent many folks), etc, half of our nation doesn't even vote in the largest election we have. it's real easy to see how small a group trump's dwindling base is, despite clearly inflated twitter #'s/etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishNinja View Post
    crystalpepsifan what quatum chicanery is allowing you to post while banned bruh



    right right, i wholly agree that the incentive was there - and again, you'll not see me arguing that, as usual, there were clear lies to get the drums of war going & the public on board

    but let's put this whole thing on cheney's (compared to the laughably leaky/incompetent trump admin) capable hands. the sheer number of people involved that you'd need to pull off something of this scale presupposes that literally none of them - presumably many with enough knowledge to blow the whole thing open, and be revered a hero/make a literal killing off the book/etc deals - were willing to come forward, even in the face of what later became a widely unpopular admin/war effort.

    every conspiracy theory i've seen has somehow skated past the fact that you'd need tremendous faith in countless people that'd have next to no reason to stay historically silent.

    to me, this is up there with the one about how we've cured cancer, but some groups keep it under wraps...like, you'd only need one person eager to be this generation's dr john salk - literally the dream of about everyone in that field - for that to fall by the wayside, but i'm supposed to believe that no one is willing to topple that house of cards? it's so very counter-intuitive in the system that we live in. i wish our world was that exciting, but no, nazis aside, we mostly have the banal, apathetic kinds of evil, versus the dr. DOOM like machinations this would require.
    Those are good points. The faith in people's morals to expose the truth. Unfortunately it might not actually work out that way in real life, but yes it is a good point.

    Regarding cancer, the cure is THC, and it's been known for what, 15 - 20 yrs, or something like that? In that case, the public stigma outweighs the actual scientific facts. And then many or most people will never think twice about it.

    A few years ago, a former friend whose mom got cancer told me, "There's no way that an herb could cure cancer." Hey ok. It does, and it's proven, but somehow the truth doesn't quite reach enough people to become a known fact.

    Sometimes truth isn't enough to actually reach people. Strangely enough.

    There have even been studies directly proving that THC dropped directly onto cancer cells, kills those cancer cells.

    The big question is how and why such scientific truths don't reach the public consciousness (beyond the people who spend their free time looking deeper into such topics).

    But legalization continues to creep along slowly, so the truth seems to be coming out, just very slowwwwly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecco View Post
    Hey suit yourself, I did watch the vid and then I posted afterwards.

    I'm amazed anyone believes JFK was killed by one person. All those bullets from all different angles.

    Not everything is a conspiracy but the funny thing is that for 9/11 and JFK, the official story is also a conspiracy theory. A lame one. It comes down to blind faith in our government, or thinking beyond that.

    I understand physics well enough to know that throwing soft objects at a hard wall, is not going to slice into the wall. If the official story was true then there should have been pieces of the plane's metal bouncing off, not slicing through like it was... fake.


    " all those bullets from different angles" Wrong. They have tested the actual rifle from the same angle on 2 different TV shows and guess what. Similar results. Don't fall into the sensationalist idiocy trap. And me falling for the government. ROFL that's a laugh. No I just have rational thought.



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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishNinja View Post
    man, consider that trump lost the popular vote by literally millions...and as you said, for many reasons (right-wing voter suppression efforts, inability, general apathy created by an unexciting 2-party system that doesn't represent many folks), etc, half of our nation doesn't even vote in the largest election we have. it's real easy to see how small a group trump's dwindling base is, despite clearly inflated twitter #'s/etc.
    Here, I'll tell you the solution to get most of our country to vote. Give them some kind of instant-gratification as a reward for voting. The govt. could give out $10 food-stamp credits, for example. Come vote and then get a free lunch.

    I came up with the idea myself and nobody else seems to say anything like that. But how obvious is that solution lol. People are selfish creatures, so just give a small instant-reward. We'd have over 90% voter turn-out, I reckon. Everyone likes free stuff lol. (And every American already pays much more than $10 taxes each year, so let's do it.)

    The lame voter-turnout doesn't seem like such a big unsolvable problem, if we would just acknowledge our selfish human nature a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SegataS View Post
    " all those bullets from different angles" Wrong. They have tested the actual rifle from the same angle on 2 different TV shows and guess what. Similar results. Don't fall into the sensationalist idiocy trap. And me falling for the government. ROFL that's a laugh. No I just have rational thought.
    Suit yourself, but there have been many more than 2 TV shows saying the exact opposite of that. There have been articles and probably entire books explaining the physical evidence of multiple gunshots from different angles.

    And the shooter himself was a novice, hiding in a building window -- a very distant, difficult position to make any shot. He died soon after it happened, which cleans up any troublesome words he might have had.

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