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    Quote Originally Posted by SegataS View Post
    It did in consumer appeal. Most people prefer Starfox over Panzer Dragoon and Mario over NiGHTS and OoT over Dark Savior. I'm not saying those are better or worse. Just that they had a wider appeal to the average consumer of the era. If more people saw things for what they were Grandia would be more praised than FFVII.
    That's because Nintendo made a smooth transition from the SNES to the N64. Sega just floundered around for a couple of years with add-ons and sort of neglected the core Genesis audience. Looking at the numbers, the North American console units sold for the SNES and N64 are pretty similar.
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    How did Sega neglect the Genesis audience?

    These are the top 10 console titles for the Christmas month of December '94, arguably the last time the 16-bit generation mattered (although things were already bleak at that point:

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    1   SNES      Donkey Kong Country	 	    $58 	Nintendo	   1,499,645 
    2   GEN 	  Sonic & Knuckles	            $57 	Sega	           402,770 
    3   GEN 	  Madden NFL 95	 		    $57 	EA	           344,017
    4   GEN 	  Mortal Kombat II	 	    $60 	Acclaim	   	309,953
    5   GEN 	  NBA Live 95	 		    $58 	EA	           258,160
    6   GEN 	  The Lion King	 		    $64 	Viacom	   	248,419
    7   GEN 	  NFL 95	 		    $56 	Sega	           247,474
    8   SNES	 Aladdin	 		    $21 	Capcom	   	238,774	
    9   GEN 	  Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers	    $53 	Sega	           228,449
    10 SNES 	  Madden NFL 95	 		    $57 	EA	           210,224
    Total games sold (in top 10):
    Genesis: 2,039,242
    SNES: 1,948,643

    Total hardware units sold:
    Genesis: 1,191,414
    SNES: 1,052,087

    People get so caught up on how well DKC sold, but Genesis was still holding its own against Nintendo. Hell, #8 on that list is a SNES budget title that came out in 1993.

    As has always been the case with Nintendo, people mainly bought their select few first party titles, and third party devs were left with the scraps. That's really where the Genesis shone.

    And, with those top selling Genesis titles in mind, it's easy to see what happened to the Saturn... If your user base is largely buying sports titles, then give them sports titles. The Saturn library was just so off the mark for the Genesis's audience (and the PlayStation was spot on).


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    Neglected the core audience, as in, not bring out the sports titles at the launch of the Saturn. The effort they put behind developing FMV games for Sega CD, and developing games for the 32X took away from having games ready for the Saturn launch, and keeping a supply of 1st party games for the Genesis from 1995 to 1996. The 32-bit era really didn't catch fire until late 1996 and Sega of America didn't have good titles developed for the Saturn's Western audience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gryson View Post

    As has always been the case with Nintendo, people mainly bought their select few first party titles, and third party devs were left with the scraps. That's really where the Genesis shone.
    Yep even on the flop that was the Wii U, Nintendo games sold in huge numbers with the likes of Mario Kart 8 selling over 8 million copies and some 6 for Mario 3D world, Its a picture repeated on the N64 and all Nintendo systems.
    Also, people forget that the Snes launched 2 years later too. SEGA was still making AAA In-House software for the Mega Drive in 1995, some 7 years after the Mega Drive 1st shipped. One can't really say the same for Nintendo on the Snes.

    Speaking on Sonic and SOJ. It was an utter cock-up by SEGA Japan to have the Japanese Sonic Team wasting their time with Knuckles: Chaotix. That team should have been charged and put to work on Saturn Sonic 3D, with help from rest of Sonic Team working who were working on NiGHTS, much like it was having the CS team working on 32X Virtual Racing, when SEGA Japan could have had a totally brilliant version of Virtual Racing on the Saturn very early in, given the talent that was the CS team at the time.

    Also why did SEGA Japan think it was good not to have Revenge of Death Adder not on the Saturn, to help with early launch software, the game looked and played incredible at the time. The Saturn version could have been perfect and also supported the game 4 player mode via Multi Tap too.
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    I'm not here to continue the trend on this forum to dogpile on the N64. N64 has its place in history and some great games. Saturn may not have had some of the industry shaking games that were considered revolutionizing a genre or the industry. Everything the Saturn is and was and to this day appeals to me more. Everything it did I like more than even Genesis. Something about how music sounded on those games. The weird but only SEGA would ideas. Ideas so out of the left field. It wasn't the most popular console of its era but it was the most creative console to me. Creatively I think in every facet it took the most risks and yeah it made it more flawed at the time but kind of ahead of its time as well(then again that is SEGA in a nutshell). Some out of SEGA stubbornness. It was bold either way. I think of the Saturn sometimes as an artist not appreciated in their time but after death people marveled the art. Saturn now makes it on many best of all times consoles. Still not as much appreciation as it might deserve. I don't say this because of a SEGA forum. I honestly mean it when I say. Saturn is my fave console from its generation and confession time I didn't own one back then. I played PS1 and N64. Thought they were great but only Saturn makes me giddy and happy in a way that only 90s SEGA ever could.


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