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    Default Cinepak converted videos playing on actual Sega CD/Kega Fusion really.

    (..really, I'm fascinated by this pre mpeg1/data/vcd format). Was Cinepak the first digital format/media before mpeg1/dat/vcd ? Pre vcd, if so impressive. As vcd were sold in 1993.

    Hello, I asked Joe of Game Sack once how he did the Sega CD video episode of having Cinepak codec playing on episode as well as that exact footage playing on actual Sega CD (Well, Kega Fusion for me) but details didn't want to be shared publicly* which I understand I guess.

    However I contacted bgvanbur here (I believe he was one that did conversion for Joe) and he explained some things and I even want to pay him for doing some conversions for me (like parts of Man Of Steel movie to play on Sega CD) as he knows how to add proper Sega CD bin files make iso etc and get things looking the best they can.

    However, I noticed on VideoPad editor there still is a Cinepak export/render. I tried a 13 color/palette etc options to try on my Kega Fusion and couldn't get it to work. I figured it wouldn't as I must add a file from actual CD game to boot it, but was the color option I selected correct? I believe I chose right video size settings like 220 x 140 (I read 352x240 but thats more mpeg1 size idk even read 30.4128 Mbit for 216 x 160 res with 220 frames uncompressed) or something too? Or won't it work on Fusion? Anybody have any experience with this that is on forum now? I honestly don't want to bother bgvanbur except to pay him for conversions which I know he can do better than anybody (imo), I have just been curious about this/cinepak specs for a decade.

    I would test further myself, but these links are dead https://forums.sonicretro.org/index....ic=26243&st=15

    Thanks to Chilly Willy and bgvanbur for taking time to explain some things to me in pms, and anybody willing to properly discuss this.

    Can't even get Aiwa MegaCD bios boot to run on Win10, hmmm. Anyway, even some of my sega 16 "enemies" LOL are into this topic so any knowledge from people who don't hate me, or do is welcomed : http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...-Captain-Crunc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vector View Post
    (..really, I'm fascinated by this pre mpeg1/data/vcd format). Was Cinepak the first digital format/media before mpeg1/dat/vcd ? Pre vcd, if so impressive. As vcd were sold in 1993.
    The Commodore CDTV could do FMV as I recall, in around 1990.

    Early 90s PC CD-ROM titles often had ambitious FMVs, Dune for example had them in 1991 or so in its CD edition, notably the intro used clips from the David Lynch movie. And there were many FMV game series on the PC too, in the early/mid 90s (Tex Murphy comes to mind).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zyrobs View Post
    The Commodore CDTV could do FMV as I recall, in around 1990.

    Early 90s PC CD-ROM titles often had ambitious FMVs, Dune for example had them in 1991 or so in its CD edition, notably the intro used clips from the David Lynch movie. And there were many FMV game series on the PC too, in the early/mid 90s (Tex Murphy comes to mind).
    Thank you for the knowledge. I sent Techmoan info once on 2 guys who made a codec that could do more than 5 minutes on a cd in 1988, it lead to mpeg1 which was launched in 1993 after perfected. So the fact other codec/formats could do more than 5 minutes on in 80s impresses me. As industry said it couldn't be done after trying since 1977/1983 AHC however they weren't thinking of compression until those 2 guys got hired by companies ate up by other companies etc.

    I still make vcds, I export a 1080 or 2k avi into tpmge and compress that into mpeg1/dat/vcd. Its like taking a 60 inch screen and compressing it into a 13 inch screen so it looks like dvd or better (now doing the opposite will look horrible). Why? So I can take file and put whole movies on my phone that take 700mb instead of 20-100gb of space. The screens on smartphones now like Note 9 make vcd look like dvd or bluray it is crazy. However I won't exceed my 320x240 or w/e portable vcd player screen size like watching it on 60 inch tv - I'll still have to zoom too to fit bigger screen if no upscale - it will look horrible. But doing what I just said, the results are incredible.

    That is what I'm trying to do with Cinepak, take Man Of Steel scenes to watch on my Fusion/laptop cd-r but zips in thread I posted above dead. Maybe it is for the best, bur and matteus can do it better anyway, I just wanted to experiment and learn. Thanks for reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vector View Post
    Why? So I can take file and put whole movies on my phone that take 700mb instead of 20-100gb of space.
    It would be more advantageous if you'd use MPEG4 or even h264 for that, since they can compress in way better quality for the same size. You could either bump up the resolution to DVD size, or reduce the filesize by a quarter.

    But Man of Steel will still be a shit movie regardless of compression.

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    Ha, I like many parts of Man Of Steel. But I respect your opinion. Yes, I could do mp4 however I can't play mp4 or mvk on my vcd players or even blu ray players if not fat32 formatted so only on my smartphone or pc I can view it. However if I compress to mpeg1, it will play on my phone, windows pc, portable vcd player, dvd player, andriod tablet, linux homebrew etc basically - everything.

    It was more or less just an experiment anyway. And to my knowledge, Man of Steel can't be compressed to 700 mb even in mvk or mp4 format, well at least not looking great I don't think. However watching this vcd/dat/mpeg1 on my note 9 - looks amazing at 668 mb simply doing 1 compression/conversion. However I'm ready to go further back in time, to Cinepak. I'd like a format I could watch on Sega CD or Kega too. So, I would like to know the actual specs I must do like 13 or 16 colors, 320x240 size, boot files etc to make it to work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jHNu3eZvQQ
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    I've a very limited knowledge on the codec stuff for sega cd. But if you look for my threads you'll find a guy who's done a lot of research on it.


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    Not sure if you’ve already seen it but there is quite a bit of info about Cinepak here:

    http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.p...pic=26243&st=0

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyteknohed View Post
    Not sure if you’ve already seen it but there is quite a bit of info about Cinepak here:

    http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.p...pic=26243&st=0
    Thank you very much, I appreciate it. I would just like to know the definitive specs as I hear different screen sizes for SEGA CD Cinepak is a special version compared to regular Cinepak 1.2, 2.1 etc so idk. I think its 16 colors, 240x180 or something. I just can't seem to get it to work on my Kega like how Game Sack episode could. Maybe I need to study those specs, but I forget what program analyzes iso/cd files.

    Also, I'm not good at communication so please don't think I'm trying to be rude, as I appreciate your help however I linked that same thread in post 1 and sadly those file links no longer wonder for freeware he shared =(

    Quote Originally Posted by Vector View Post
    (..really, I'm fascinated by this pre mpeg1/data/vcd format). Was Cinepak the first digital format/media before mpeg1/dat/vcd ? Pre vcd, if so impressive. As vcd were sold in 1993.

    Hello, I asked Joe of Game Sack once how he did the Sega CD video episode of having Cinepak codec playing on episode as well as that exact footage playing on actual Sega CD (Well, Kega Fusion for me) but details didn't want to be shared publicly* which I understand I guess.

    However I contacted bgvanbur here (I believe he was one that did conversion for Joe) and he explained some things and I even want to pay him for doing some conversions for me (like parts of Man Of Steel movie to play on Sega CD) as he knows how to add proper Sega CD bin files make iso etc and get things looking the best they can.

    I would test further myself, but these links are dead https://forums.sonicretro.org/index....ic=26243&st=15
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