32X vs. 3DO vs. Jaguar

[Genesis Knight]

Now that this thread is back from the sands of time, I might as well say that I'd take the 32X.

[Demonic Weasel]

What the hell is all of this rubbish about the Jaguar and 3D0 sucking? The Jaguar was a fun console, and the 3D0 wasn't that bad.

I don't really like the 32X, actually. Jaguar ftw.

[Russman]

sorry bout posting on an old thread but this whole thing is ridiculous, the 3do easily outclasses these other systems, it's on a completely other level to them!, I can't believe people are saying there's nothing worth buying on the 3do and then saying the jaguar had promise in the same sentence!, anyway here are my reasons for the 3do being the best of the 3

No it doesn't easily outclass the Jaguar. The Jaguar runs circles around the 3D0 when it comes to rendering a 3D environment. What the 3DO has as a major advantage was that of storage space utilizing CD technology, back then that was a major factor. But the games didn't automatically become better due to CD tech. When you compare the first person shooters on both the 3DO and Jaguar, you can see the Jag games really excelling in both resolution and frame rates. The 3DO performed like absolute SHIT when it came to rendering a FPS.

The Jaguar version of Wolfenstein 3D is still considered to run better on Jaguar than it's original PC version. It has a faster frame rate while maintaining the original soundtrack throughout. Doom was hampered, but still miles ahead of the absolute garbage 32X version, and the only port of the time to actually be programmed by ID.

1. the ONLY console to get ports of the first Alone in the Dark and STAR CONTROL 2, which is one of the best games ever made and virtually reason enough to get the 3do alone, don't beleive me? check this, http://top100.ign.com/2003/51-60.html (star control got 53 greatest game ever made, also notice return fire at 56) and http://uk.gamespot.com/gamespot/feat...games/p-7.html (star control 2 got into gamespots greatest games of all time)

IGN completely sucks. But, some of those games are good, I really liked Return Fire and Road Rash and played them frequently on 3DO when they were released.

3. Need for speed, Return fire and Space Hulk were all created for the 3do originaly, and all gained high critical success

Rayman and Tempest 2000 were created for the Jaguar originally. When the PSX picked up steam, Ubisoft decided to start development cross platform on Rayman. Tempest 2000 was an exclusive for awhile and worth owning a Jaguar for, as it has numerous differences to the Saturn version regarding the AI. I'll take these Jaguar games anyday, as they lack load times and aren't shallow gameplay wise. NFS was a great title back then, but it did not hold up well, it's a very small game really, and short. Tempest 2000 is timeless.

4. most of what the jaguar and 32x had were on the 3do as well anyway! (cannon fodder, theme park, lemmings, Flashback, Syndicate, fifa, bust a move)

You forget to point out that the Jaguar versions lack load times. That's a huge deal when we are talking about technology that was using 1x and 2x CD-Rom drive speeds.

Anyway to wrap up, all the jaguar had was alien vs predator, tempest 2000, and a good port of doom, a bunch of "usual suspect" ports and a controller that was a mess.

All the 32x had was virtua fighter, and a bunch of "usual suspect" ports, as well as it being ridiculously under-powered.

lol. Did you join up just to bash the Jaguar and 32X? Anyway, I can't believe a 3DO fan can talk trash about the Jaguar controller with a straight face. As awkward as the Jaguar controller was claimed to be ( I find it really comfortable), the 3DO was the worst of the bunch and very cheap/flimsy! 3DO controllers are notoriously cheap and easily break. If the Jaguar had too many buttons on its controller, you could also point out that the 3DO controller lacked enough buttons during a period where advancing technology should have included moving away from 2 and 3 button control schemes, which Atari had the foresight to do.

The Jaguar controller was also the first to attempt an ergonomic design, alot of time was spent designing a comfortable control pad with grips, and for a first attempt I think it's comfortable to use. The biggest problem was that the keypad was too awkward to access during gameplay. Also, they don't break.

Also a note to any posters thinking the 32X can actually compete with the other two consoles, especially the Jaguar. Come on, if you get the chance, play both systems version of Doom. That's the best way to see just how horrible the 32X attachment was. Jaguar owns it OK? It owns it like the goat owns the Chicago Cubs. If you want to see a polygonal difference, then you can compare Virtua Fighter to Iron Soldier. Iron Soldier beats VF like a red-headed stepchild.

[AxelStone]

How could possibly forget the CD-I? It had such a wonderful library.

........Wand of Gamelon is enough to keep people away from the CD-I, enough said

[Iron Lizard]

........Wand of Gamelon is enough to keep people away from the CD-I, enough said

I put that one on to make my friends laugh.

[AxelStone]

I put that one on to make my friends laugh.

Wand of Gamelon makes baby Jesus cry

[Hidden_Darkness]

I voted for the 32x, it may not have had that great of a game selection but I found that I enjoyed it more then the 3do. knuckles chaotix is definately the game that gets played the most by me on it.

the 3do actually had some decent games that were only released in japan but tracking down some of those games is near impossible, so that one places in a close second in my opinion. it had a couple decent fighters released in japan and a few decent fmv games. but nothing really amazing. I think the game I played the most on that was the anime type fmv game called strahl.

as for the atari jaguar, I really don't have anything to say about it since i've never played one. I think back in the mid 90s I only saw a atari jaguar for sale at the stores over here once then it seemed to dissappear.

all 3 of the systems are really very average when it comes to the limited game selection for each.

[Iron Lizard]

Wand of Gamelon makes baby Jesus cry

Yes and if they have been really bad I put on "Link: The Faces of Evil" after that.

[Melf]

You guys are missing the real question? Which had the worst fighter?

32X - Cosmic Carnage
3DO- Shadow
Jaguar - Kasumi Ninja

[Demonic Weasel]

Bah, that's not a question. Kasumi Ninja is capable of murder.

[jesus.arnold]

Alone in the Dark on the 3DO is substandard considering the Playstation port.

There was no playstation port of Alone in the Dark, it only came out on the pc and 3do, the game known as alone in the dark on the saturn and playstation was actually Alone in the Dark 2 (which is suposed to be inferior to the first, and also got a 3do port anyway)

The 32x had more than just virtua fighter, it had Virtua Racing, Corpse Killer, Night Trap, Star Wars Arcade, Kolibri and a not bad port of Doom to say the least.

Both Corpse Killer and Night Trap came to the 3do as well.

the Army Men series being their only real accomplishment

Heroes of might and magic 2 on the pc is an absolutely mega game made by 3do.http://uk.gamespot.com/gamespot/feat...ames/p-20.html

I can't believe a 3DO fan can talk trash about the Jaguar controller with a straight face.

ok i will concede that the 3do's controller is far from perfect, it hasn't got enough buttons and the d-pads are always a bit on the "creaky" side, i haven't had any problems with them breaking though, and i always liked the chaining idea, giving the 3do the ability to have 6-player games.

IGN completely sucks. But, some of those games are good, I really liked Return Fire and Road Rash and played them frequently on 3DO when they were released.

Your Totally right, ign does suck, Star control 2 shoulda' gotten much higher than 53

Rayman and Tempest 2000 were created for the Jaguar originally.

Thats cool, I never actually realised that Rayman started out on the jaguar.

The Jaguar runs circles around the 3D0 when it comes to rendering a 3D environment.

This doesn't really matter that much, the problem with the Jaguar was the lack of games, there wasn't enough software to utilise any features the jaguar had over the 3do, which had three dedicated developers working on it.(though this does change my statement about the Jaguar not having any promise, I guess)

Also a note to any posters thinking the 32X can actually compete with the other two consoles, especially the Jaguar. Come on, if you get the chance, play both systems version of Doom. That's the best way to see just how horrible the 32X attachment was.

How good actually is the 32x version of Doom?, I remember that the Jaguar version was famously the best port at the time and the 3do version was notoriously bad, but i don't know much about the 32x version.

Also, Russman, i wanted to say, I Don't hate the jaguar really, it's still leagues ahead of the 32x, I just think that the 3do had a much better software library than the Jaguar, I got a bit carried away cos when i read the thread there were very few pro 3do posts

You guys are missing the real question? Which had the worst fighter?.

Dude you missed out Way of the warrior! that game was amazingly bad, if you picked the Australian bloke his special power was to throw a knife and say "now thats a knife!" in a psuedo crocodile dundee voice.

[Iron Lizard]

Kasumi Ninja wins hands down. That game is infamous. Besides Streetfighter 2 and Samurai Showdown made it to 3do and 32x got Mortal Kombat, well if you consider that a good fighter.

http://www.videogamecritic.net/image...sumi_ninja.jpg

[GohanX]

32X For the win.

The best part about the Jaguar is that I sold it on ebay for more than I paid for it. Best console ever? Maybe.

[Blades]

My vote went to the 3DO, it was one of the most progressive consoles ever.

It was the first 4+ multiplayer supporting console, first (and last) console to utilize license-free developing, good polygons, and excellent 2D. Plus, I had more fun with that console than the others.

32x is close behind, because of winners like Virtua Racing 32x and Doom (God, the 3DO port sucked ass).

Without doubt, 3DO's graphics engine is greatly more powerful than Jaguar's. Now I'm not insulting Jaguar, it's a great console in my mind, but technically Jaguar cannot process the same amount of polygons as 3DO can. "Tom And Jerry" in the Jaguar were severly bottlenecked by the 68k which made it a bitch to program. Eventually, no one managed to get good polygon graphics out of it.

3DO was pretty weak, but the IDE was so good, games like NFS and Defcon 5 were cranked out. Judging by the games released so far, 3DO has the far better graphics. MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, somewhere in that black toilet seat, there's 3D power. But it'd take another 20 years of digging to get it working and another 20 years to implement it.

What is this about 3DO controllers breaking? I bet you bought some crappy chinese pad and got upset when you banged it with a brick and it cracked in half. The official panasonic pads are of top-notch quality. As for the button issue, they did release a 6-button pad...

And Don't get me started on sound, CD will always sound better than cartridges.

In terms of pure power, 3DO wins. In terms of Games released, 3DO wins. In terms of controller, 3DO wins (If you can track down that damn 6-button pad).

3DO wins.

[GohanX]

I"ve got a 3do 6 button pad, and no 3do. Maybe someday...