Sega-16 Politics Thread

[Jesse813]

I thought sega-16 already was a monarchy under the fine Mega Drive Empire

[AD2101]

I really don't understand the argument that people who are destitute don't deserve the right to vote.

I made a point to keep voting rights out of my reply, so I'll just assume that statement was meant for the public at large. To some of your other points; yes, technically I could "get through" most (definitely not all) aspects of my life without a state I.D., but it'd be such a bigger pain in the ass for me that I really feel like I'd be going out of my way not to have one. It is very much a convenience to have, and well worth the few hours and $25 I spent. State I.D.'s are $12 in AZ and likely take less time to obtain because there is no driving test or written test. I'm just having a really hard time accepting "Well some people can't get an I.D. because they are really busy and can't scrounge up four free hours during business hours EVER and $12." Call me heartless, but I like to give people more credit than that.

[Baloo]

What do you need an ID for if you don't drive?

Cashing checks, proof of identity when say entering protected areas like govt. buildings, etc. I mean you need a State ID for so many things banking related, it really makes me wonder who in this day and age doesn't have a State ID that's not under the age of 18. It's impractical.

Plus, they're not expensive. Like 2101AD said, $12 for a State ID isn't unreasonable by any means. Plus, it will help to stop voter fraud, which is actually a huge problem in poorer neighborhoods.

I think the idea that a State ID needed to vote mandate is nothing even close to any kind of "Poll Tax."

[Kamahl]

Just to point out, I'm neither pro nor against IDs, I was just answering the question.
Here in portugal everyone has an ID, so the problem doesn't even exist.

[Jesse813]

plus if you drink or smoke you'll need a state ID since a lot of places started scanning the cards a few years ago and some places check if you make a credit card or debit purchase.

[EclecticGroove]

It's a headache for most people to NOT have an ID. Some places will take alternate forms, but even when allowed it can be a pain. Drivers licenses, and non driving IDs, are so commonplace and accepted that there is no question. You bring up some other form of ID and they usually have to go ask a manager or look it up in some manual somewhere.

Sure, if you happen to live in a place where it's common that won't happen until you take a trip or move. But it's still less of a problem to take a few hours of your time every few years and just not have to deal with it.

[j_factor]

To some of your other points; yes, technically I could "get through" most (definitely not all) aspects of my life without a state I.D., but it'd be such a bigger pain in the ass for me that I really feel like I'd be going out of my way not to have one. It is very much a convenience to have, and well worth the few hours and $25 I spent.

Of course it's worth it. That's why most people have one. But we're not talking about most people.

State I.D.'s are $12 in AZ and likely take less time to obtain because there is no driving test or written test. I'm just having a really hard time accepting "Well some people can't get an I.D. because they are really busy and can't scrounge up four free hours during business hours EVER and $12."

Why is that so hard to accept? Fun fact: Some people are dirt poor. It's true! Again, we're talking about a small minority of people.

I mean, why do you think so many people are protesting these laws? Why are they being taken to court and blocked by the US DoJ? All these people are just being silly and have no reason to object?

Cashing checks, proof of identity when say entering protected areas like govt. buildings, etc. I mean you need a State ID for so many things banking related, it really makes me wonder who in this day and age doesn't have a State ID that's not under the age of 18.

Who indeed. In Texas, it's either 603,892 (4.7%) of the state’s registered voters, or 795,955 (6.2%) of the state’s registered voters, according to two sets of data from the state government. Their data showed that Latino voters would be more likely to be affected, by between 46% and 120%. They gave no data on black voters. See here.

In South Carolina, it's 239,333 (8.9%) of the states registered voters. Black voters are 20% more likely to lack ID. See here.

Plus, it will help to stop voter fraud

Cite? According to my two links above, TX and SC have not submitted any evidence to that effect.

which is actually a huge problem in poorer neighborhoods.

Cite? According to my two links above, TX and SC have not submitted any evidence to that effect.

[JCU]

If (as some of you seem to believe) people should be allowed to vote without proper identification, should I be able to purchase (right to bear arms) a firearm without confirming my identity?

[j_factor]

If (as some of you seem to believe) people should be allowed to vote without proper identification, should I be able to purchase (right to bear arms) a firearm without confirming my identity?

Sure, if you create a system where you have to first register with a valid address and social security number, and then you may only purchase a firearm at one specific place where they have your name on a list and collect your signature.

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[Da_Shocker]

If (as some of you seem to believe) people should be allowed to vote without proper identification, should I be able to purchase (right to bear arms) a firearm without confirming my identity?

Actually we should since in the 2nd amendment it mentions NOTHING about permits or anything of that nature.

[TailsAlone]

Actually we should since in the 2nd amendment it mentions NOTHING about permits or anything of that nature.

The 1st Amendment also mentions nothing about the Internet either, so I guess freedom of speech doesn't apply online. Boy, am I in trouble. As for the VID, if it cuts down on voter fraud it's fine with me. People will just figure out new ways around it, though.

Someone in the May Day thread brought up Occupy Wall Street. Hell, I wish I could afford to do that. I've got bills to pay. We won't get rid of those money-grubbing crooks unless we change the system, and then we'll become the new crooks. With my circumstances, I have no choice but to be a reasonably honest person, and it's better that way. If I had enough money to be a monster, I'd probably give into that temptation. Same with everyone else.

[JCU]

Sure, if you create a system where you have to first register with a valid address and social security number, and then you may only purchase a firearm at one specific place where they have your name on a list and collect your signature.

And how does your proposal address the only person buying a firearm will be the same person who registered? A signature? Surely as an evolved society we can do better.

If someone feels producing an identification in order to exercise a right is wrong or hinders the exhibition of said right, then it should go for all rights. No picking and choosing.

The very same people (Lefties) crying foul over identification in order to vote should also be up in arms that a permit has to be issued for those wanting a CCW or producing identification when purchasing a firearm. We know they are hypocritical on the issues though.

[Baloo]

People are stupid, and the government is counting on that. Go to the DMV, present a valid birth certificate, and a social security card, and let them take you're picture and issue you a photo ID. Yay!, now you can vote. Too bad it probably won't count thanks to the electoral college.

[sheath]

People are stupid, and the government is counting on that. Go to the DMV, present a valid birth certificate, and a social security card, and let them take you're picture and issue you a photo ID. Yay!, now you can vote. Too bad it probably won't count thanks to the electoral college.

Eh, I consider the electoral college a valid complaint in states where the parties are split 50/50, because that lets that state go 100% toward a presidential candidate when it was usually less than 60% for either.

I still support the electoral college, barring any better ideas, because it keeps states like with the biggest cities from dominating presidential elections. It's a rural versus urban balance that I think is necessary in this country.