What was the absolute final Sega CD release?

[kool kitty89]

I thought the game was only released in N/A.

Wikipedia has it listed as being released in the US and Europe simultaneously in december of 1994.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snatcher


True, but you're limited to only 15 colors on that plane for all the sprites or the multiple BG layers. Plus, if you use the whole plane (screen width/height), you'll get choppy sprite or BG layers movement. For sprites, it might be good for some PC type games though (Lemmings, Dune, etc).[/QUOTE]

Do some games use the ASIC in conjunction with normal Genesis VDP generated graphics? (having the ASIC do part of the background, or handle sprite tiles)

Would the choppy movement in full-plane with the ASIC be a limitation of the ASIC itsself, the Genesis VRAM, or a combination?

[mick_aka]

[kool kitty89]

BTW, in addition to what I mentioned previously about the CD/genesis expansion slot connector, you could have it with a simpler set-up w/out the extra CPU, but I beleive there's only a 17-bit address bus (from the chart I've seen there's only 17 address pins) which means RAM could only be addressable in 128 kB banks, in the current configuration, the Genesis CPU can do just that (with 2x 128 kB banks of word RAM and the other 4x 128 kB banks of program ram also available if you halt the CD's CPU), though I don't know if there's a performance penalty to switching banks in the current configuration)

[Christuserloeser]

Anyways there was a total of 18-20 FMV games released on the Sega CD so that means that around 20% of the Sega CD library consisted of FMV games. Debunking the stereotype that the Sega CD was a FMV system. Now SoA did promote the hell out of them. What it boils down to really is that SCD didn't offer many games that were leaps and bounds that was better than what was on the Genesis. I mean would they have been better off going with a better VDP chip rather than a second CPU?

I think the problem is that SOA did a terrible job at advertising this thing. THEY were the ones that wanted it to be more than what it was, much more than any of their customers.

[crazyteknohed]

Same with Record of Loddos War

How different are the two versions? I've heard that the MCD version is much better. Personally I love the MCD version of RoLW but I've heard a few people say that the PCE version isn't particularly good, meaning it's either quite a different beast or that my taste in gaming is a bit shat.

[crazyteknohed]

Wikipedia has it listed as being released in the US and Europe simultaneously in december of 1994.

According to some guy in some forum that I read way back when, the PAL version is uncensored as you get to see a bit of nip. I wasn't really paying too much attention last time I played through the PAL version but next time I give it a whirl I'll confirm whether this is true...

[tomaitheous]

Would the choppy movement in full-plane with the ASIC be a limitation of the ASIC itsself, the Genesis VRAM, or a combination?

I'm sure if you hit the max bandwidth of the ASIC, that would slow down some things but I was referring to the local DMA to VRAM. For 320x224 (NTSC) it takes 5 frames (12fps) to update the a whole full screen plane. 3 frames(20fps) if you clip the display to 320x200. That doesn't include room for other vram updates (tilemap, etc) and doesn't leave room for double buffering (you'll get lots of mid screen screen tear a cross all those frames). I could see doing 128x128 chunk on a 320x200 clipped display. That'd give 60fps and still have 1/3rd bandwidth left to do tilemap/etc. No need for double buffering and no screen tearing.

[kool kitty89]

Edit: moved it to the Super VDP theread as this is really off topic and it fits well there.

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...?t=3402&page=7

[WarmSignal]

For some reason, I was thinking about this again... so I felt like bumping it.

Did anyone ever determine which was the final North American release? In addition to Surgical Strike and Demolition Man, I recently noticed that the copyright and publishing dates for RDF Global Conflict and Fahrenheit are also 1995... So I guess that makes four possibilities?

[David J.]

I'm browsing random threads here. Fahrenheit was NOT the final SCD game... I think it became around the same time, if not before the other SCD games that had CD32X releases. I know in the USA Fahrenheit was only released Sega CD and CD32X in the same bundle, but I really doubt it was the final SCD game. Same with RDF... I think it may have been second or third to last but not the final game.

Demolition Man must have been one hell of a late release then. Surgical Strike seems likely. Hmm

[GohanX]

I don't know for sure, but I do remember lots of game stores back in the day having nothing in the Sega Cd sections but copies of Demolitin Man. (And Frogger in the Genny section!)

[Da_Shocker]

I know Surgical Strike came out in June of 95 not 93.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/segacd/91639...-cd/faqs/37153

That is probably the best list there is out there right now.

[tomaitheous]

I know Surgical Strike came out in June of 95 not 93.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/segacd/91639...-cd/faqs/37153

That is probably the best list there is out there right now.

Interesting. That lists has "Fantasy Star Soldier" as an unreleased game. But... this was an unreleased (almost finished localization) of Star Parodia for Turbo Duo. I think they might have got that one wrong on the list >_> Unless someone else has some details.

[kool kitty89]

I'm sure if you hit the max bandwidth of the ASIC, that would slow down some things but I was referring to the local DMA to VRAM. For 320x224 (NTSC) it takes 5 frames (12fps) to update the a whole full screen plane. 3 frames(20fps) if you clip the display to 320x200. That doesn't include room for other vram updates (tilemap, etc) and doesn't leave room for double buffering (you'll get lots of mid screen screen tear a cross all those frames). I could see doing 128x128 chunk on a 320x200 clipped display. That'd give 60fps and still have 1/3rd bandwidth left to do tilemap/etc. No need for double buffering and no screen tearing.

Not to take this off topic again, but I noticed these figures don't match up with the DMA bandwidth figures posted explicitly in a later discussion. (133.33 bytes per vblank line in H32 and 166.66 for H40 iirc -sans 2 lines per frame dedicated to another purpose)
So the 5 frames for 320x224 and 3 frames for 320x200 seem a bit low. (with the figures I recall, it should be 6 and 4 frames -though with a lot of time left over in the 4th frame for the latter

[j_factor]

For some reason, I was thinking about this again... so I felt like bumping it.

Did anyone ever determine which was the final North American release? In addition to Surgical Strike and Demolition Man, I recently noticed that the copyright and publishing dates for RDF Global Conflict and Fahrenheit are also 1995... So I guess that makes four possibilities?

Quite a few Sega CD games came out in 1995. That doesn't mean much.