SNES

[Vorty]

Would you agree with this statement?

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Genesis. The SNES had like three good exclusive games:

Super Mario World
Donkey Kong Country
Super Mario Kart

Then, we have the slew of overrated "classics" such as Zelda 3, Super Metroid (boring as fuck), Super Castlevania 4, Yoshi's Island, Earthbound,Diddy Kong's Quest and the Mega Man X games.

Now, let's look at the classic titles for the Sega Genesis:

Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Streets of Rage 2 (Beats all three Final Fight games)
Beyond Oasis (better than Zelda 3)
Gunstar Heroes
Dynamite Headdy
Ristar (on par with Mario World)
Shining Force series
Phantasy Star series
Robocop vs. Terminator (better than the SNES version).
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 + Knuckles (Super Mario who?)
Ghoul's and Ghosts (Better than Super GnG.)
Street Fighter 2 Championship edition
Yu Yu Hakusho. (All of the "anime" fighters on the SNES were disgraceful.)
Plus, without my Genesis I wouldn't be able to play Sonic CD, the greatest platform game of all time.

So, the Genesis pretty much owns the SNES at all levels. True, the SNES had better graphical and audio capiblities but if nearly all of the games on the system are shit, then who cares?

I also loved when the screen rotated around in games like SC4, Ghouls n Ghosts and that shitty Mohawk game. Nothing like a tad of motion sickness to make your gaming experience complete!

Also, the SNES controller was poorly designed. The actual look of the console look horrible and clunky in comparison to the sleek and sexy Genesis look. So, you guys can stick with your three good games,

With the SNES we have quantity over quality. With the Genesis, we have a large range of great games, covering a wide variety of genres. The Genesis had a great selection of RPG's, fighting games, shooters and platform games while the SNES had a ton of boring RPG's and a ton of dire liscensed games (so did the Genesis but not to the same extent.)

Now, I'm gonna go play Bebe's Kids.

~Vorty

[Obviously]

I'm a Metroid fanatic, and Super Metroid is one of my holy grails . It's also not taking into account the SNES RPG's which is many people's reason for loving the system over the Genesis. I'm not going to go into naming specific games because I only have a few seconds to post this and it's kind of a dumb way to try to prove which system is better because everyone's got differing opinions.

So personally I don't agree and let's leave the 16-bit console wars to rest.

[GeckoYamori]

And then we have people claiming the exact opposite on the other side of the table. There are plenty of great games for the SNES you probably haven't touched, and the same goes for the Nintendo bunch who think the MD consists of Sonic the Hedgehog, and the rest are just inferior ports of SNES titles. Ignorance on both parts in this case.

I do agree though that the SNES is more or less the most overrated system ever (Well, there's Playstation on a commercial level, but I don't see it being elevated to a godlike status). I don't like the underdeveloped gameplay mechanics of japanese RPGs which is what the SNES mainly has to offer. From a platforming perspective they are both pretty even, it's in the arcade action department where teh MD really outclasses the SNES, and it also happens to be my genre of preference.

As for the console design, I think you're refering to the american SNES which was indeed very ugly. I can't say the same for the european and japanese designs though.

[16bitter]

That post is fanboyism at its worst; and by that I mean, it's laughable. SNES is a top 5 system all-time, right along with the Genesis.

[Obviously]

And I love Megaman X (especially Megaman X, though not as much as I love Super Metroid), and Link's Awakening, so like I said it's a matter of opinion. I have my reasons for loving both systems. It depends on what mood I'm in at the time. Sure Genesis is my personal favorite because of the previously mentioned arcade action, but that doesn't make it better than the SNES.

[Dartagnan1083]

Castlevania IV was complete shit from start to finish, I agree there.
And so was Donkey Kong Country


Otherwise, yeah. . .
Genny fanboyism at its worst.

[David J.]

They both have good games and they both have bad games, I think it's time we quit bickering what one is better, they are both good systems, and they each have their pros and cons.

[j_factor]

I cannot agree with anything that puts down EarthBound. I seriously consider that to be one of the best videogames ever put to code.

I do agree that Mega Man X is overrated, but I never liked Mega Man to begin with, nor do I understand why people are so enamoured with that series (both X and the original). I did enjoy X4 and X5, but really only for the Zero stuff.

In any case, SNES is a damn fine system, with many damn fine games. It's not as good a system as Genesis, but it's certainly not worthless. Saying it had a total of 3 good exclusive games is either silliness or near-total complete ignorance of the system's library.

[Obviously]

Megaman is mostly a nostalgia thing. I love the early ones dearly but I can't stand the recent titles (X4 is probably the last one I really liked). It's a love or hate series so I can't argue with anyone who doesn't like it. I'm not a big fan of the game's online community though, some people take the series too far. I consider certain titles in the series classics but they're not godly.

[16bitter]

Castlevania IV was complete shit from start to finish, I agree there.

I love Castlevania IV. Great graphics, music, play and overall atmosphere. And it had the greatest whip machanics of the series.

Does anybody else wish that Konami would make a traditional Castlevania game again? I loved Symphony, but the routine is growing old in the subsect of Metroidvania gameplay that has now become dominant.

Where's my 2D leveled Castlevania? I'm hoping that there's a chance on PSP or DS.

And so was Donkey Kong Country

This is a game that gets lambasted unfairly. It looks great and plays well. The worst charge I'd bring is that it's in no way innovative for the 2D platforming genre, but I could say that about many other games I love in relation to their time of release/gameplay.

Though DKC2 is a much better game. The levels are more creative, the platforming more frantic in pace, and the challenge much higher. I'd rank it, not DKC, as one of the true greats of the SNES' platforming lineup.

[Genesis Knight]

I don't get the DK hate, either.

[GeckoYamori]

The first DKC had bad collision detection, dull level design and some pretty annoying glitches, hinting at a pretty rushed product. That didn't stop magazines from giving it astronomical scores though, one even gave it 117/100. Goes to show how immature gaming journalism was at the time, and a big kick in the nuts to the mumbling idiots who claim the industry today is all about graphics and how much better it was in the 'good old days'. It's pretty sad how this was the game that turned the tide for Nintendo and assured their dominance in the american market.

[j_factor]

The DKC 'hate' comes from how amazingly hyped the game was -- while other great games got little to no attention.

Personally, I find the original DKC to be pretty lackluster at times. I love DKC2 and 3, though.

[16bitter]

I cannot agree with anything that puts down EarthBound. I seriously consider that to be one of the best videogames ever put to code.

Earthbound is such an amazing game that sadly got overlooked by almost everyone during its time. Another great 16-bit game lost to the hype of 32-bit, not to mention the obstacles of its genre being niche (as well as it being a niche game even within that genre) and its lack of graphical oomph by the standards of its platform.

I do agree that Mega Man X is overrated, but I never liked Mega Man to begin with, nor do I understand why people are so enamoured with that series (both X and the original). I did enjoy X4 and X5, but really only for the Zero stuff.

Mega Man is a good series with far too many games. The last game I played in the X series was X2, and the last in the original set was IV all the way back in 91.

I doubt I've missed much since. They'd be better looked upon if there weren't so many sequels of little to no difference that seemingly come out every six months, depending on which of the now uncounted series it belongs to.

I was in the store the other day and I saw Mega Man Zero 4. Good God. How many of these do they move?

In any case, SNES is a damn fine system, with many damn fine games. It's not as good a system as Genesis, but it's certainly not worthless.

I don't find it that easy to call, myself. It depends on genre -- SNES is better for RPGs, the Genesis is out in front on shooters, et cetera -- and I play almost everything so I felt like both systems had a distinctive parity not seen before or since, even while being highly unique and idiosyncraticly divergent in specific ways from each other.

[16bitter]

I love DKC2 and 3, though.

Does the third improve at all on the second?