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runback22
06-11-2013, 12:29 AM
As the mother of all E3 screw ups.....I cant imagine one possible way MS has any chance. I am in shock that Sony saved the day...

TrekkiesUnite118
06-11-2013, 12:30 AM
And that is one title the Xbox one can gladly take away from the Saturn.

runback22
06-11-2013, 12:32 AM
3 is an unlucky number for consoles

TrekkiesUnite118
06-11-2013, 12:35 AM
Well, technically the Genesis was Sega's third console...

sheath
06-11-2013, 12:44 AM
I don't think the Saturn or One had worse presentations or marketing than the PS3 did in its first E3.

KitsuneNight
06-11-2013, 01:00 AM
3 is an unlucky number for consoles

oddly enough it is
nintendo stumbeld with the n64
sony with the ps3
and ms slipped and smashed face first though the windows and fell 20 stories down with the xbox one

Saturn Fan
06-11-2013, 01:12 AM
C'mon fellas, I love the Saturn but....

Poorly planned
Poorly designed
Poorly launched
Poorly marketed
Poorly priced
Poorly supported franchises that previously put Sega on the map
etc.

XBox One has nothing on the blunder that cost Sega over a billion.

All that said, i still love it. Sweet looking console & style, great controllers, great 1st party titles, great arcade ports, etc. And unlike that piece of shit 32X, it truly brought Sega gaming to the NEXT LEVEL.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_Mn_UUEH_QNc/R4d3a1XJA4I/AAAAAAAAADo/1IOJ4_Ntg_w/s400/Sega_Love_For_Saturn.jpg

TrekkiesUnite118
06-11-2013, 01:31 AM
C'mon fellas, I love the Saturn but....

Poorly planned
Poorly designed
Poorly launched
Poorly marketed
Poorly priced
Poorly supported franchises that previously put Sega on the map
etc.

XBox One has nothing on the blunder that cost Sega over a billion.

All that said, i still love it. Sweet looking console & style, great controllers, great 1st party titles, great arcade ports, etc. And unlike that piece of shit 32X, it truly brought Sega gaming to the NEXT LEVEL.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_Mn_UUEH_QNc/R4d3a1XJA4I/AAAAAAAAADo/1IOJ4_Ntg_w/s400/Sega_Love_For_Saturn.jpg

The Saturn Hardware isn't really the one to blame for most of that though, it's Sega of America.

KitsuneNight
06-11-2013, 01:31 AM
got to agree
i love that ugly black box to bits but sega really screwed up with it

Moirai
06-11-2013, 01:33 AM
The Saturn Hardware isn't really the one to blame for most of that though, it's Sega of America.

sega of Japan didn't help much, either.

MrSega
06-11-2013, 01:39 AM
sega of Japan didn't help much, either.

SEGA of America completely botched it all up. They deserve most of the blame.

sheath
06-11-2013, 01:41 AM
C'mon fellas, I love the Saturn but....

Poorly planned - In which region? In what aspects?
Poorly designed - Very highly arguable, hence all of the arguments that still persist.
Poorly launched - In the West.
Poorly marketed - In the West, and even then only for 1995.
Poorly priced - During the Summer Pre-Launch only.
Poorly supported franchises that previously put Sega on the map - Standard for Sega, known for its new IP more than its franchises.
etc. - Actually, that's pretty much the entire standard nonsense in a nutshell.



XBox One has nothing on the blunder that cost Sega over a billion.

If how much money a console has lost each company is a standard then Sony and MS have launched and marketed consoles that were much bigger losers.



All that said, i still love it. Sweet looking console & style, great controllers, great 1st party titles, great arcade ports, etc. And unlike that piece of shit 32X, it truly brought Sega gaming to the NEXT LEVEL.


That you can make this last statement in the same post in which you call the Saturn poorly designed and planned just boggles my mind. Here's a marketing idea, Saturn the TRUE NEXT LEVEL of horrible hardware design. How about, Saturn: A horrible mess with a great library of games. What a marvelous blend of assertions it is.

MrSega
06-11-2013, 01:41 AM
C'mon fellas, I love the Saturn but....

Poorly planned
Poorly designed
Poorly launched
Poorly marketed
Poorly priced
Poorly supported franchises that previously put Sega on the map
etc.

XBox One has nothing on the blunder that cost Sega over a billion.

All that said, i still love it. Sweet looking console & style, great controllers, great 1st party titles, great arcade ports, etc. And unlike that piece of shit 32X, it truly brought Sega gaming to the NEXT LEVEL.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_Mn_UUEH_QNc/R4d3a1XJA4I/AAAAAAAAADo/1IOJ4_Ntg_w/s400/Sega_Love_For_Saturn.jpg

32X was unnecessary and half assed.

Why the hell SEGA didn't scrap it in favor of Jupiter is beyond me.

TrekkiesUnite118
06-11-2013, 01:45 AM
32X was unnecessary and half assed.

Why the hell SEGA didn't scrap it in favor of Saturn is beyond me.

Fixed. Releasing another system along with the Saturn would have put them in the exact same boat.

Saturn Fan
06-11-2013, 03:02 AM
32X was unnecessary and half assed.

Why the hell SEGA didn't scrap it in favor of Jupiter is beyond me.


Should have just taken the development effort and $$$$ off the 32X and used it to make the Saturn better.

Saturn Fan
06-11-2013, 03:06 AM
That you can make this last statement in the same post in which you call the Saturn poorly designed and planned just boggles my mind.


Whats hard to understand? Even though i love the system i can still objectively admit it was built on a really crappy foundation.

sheath
06-11-2013, 10:10 AM
Whats hard to understand? Even though i love the system i can still objectively admit it was built on a really crappy foundation.

And I say that foundation, design and planning wise, was no worse than say the SNES, PS2 or PS3. If those are all "really crappy foundations" too then I agree, but I would call them all less than perfect middling design and planning efforts. Then again, I don't know exactly what you meant by planning since you have marketing and design in there as well.

bultje112
06-11-2013, 10:54 AM
C'mon fellas, I love the Saturn but....

Poorly planned
Poorly designed
Poorly launched
Poorly marketed
Poorly priced
Poorly supported franchises that previously put Sega on the map
etc.

XBox One has nothing on the blunder that cost Sega over a billion.

All that said, i still love it. Sweet looking console & style, great controllers, great 1st party titles, great arcade ports, etc. And unlike that piece of shit 32X, it truly brought Sega gaming to the NEXT LEVEL.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_Mn_UUEH_QNc/R4d3a1XJA4I/AAAAAAAAADo/1IOJ4_Ntg_w/s400/Sega_Love_For_Saturn.jpg
I see from other posts that you are a clear and cut m$ fanboy. your name trying to mask it but no it fails. all of those points you name(although not all of them are true like franchises point) with saturn aren't nearly as bad as what microsoft pulled of with 2nd hand games restrictions, 24 hour online lock. in 1995 e3 saturn was destroyed because of the 399 price against 299. now the same happened but the price isn't the worst at all for microsoft. it's all the other screw ups against gamers. saturn wasn't an anti gamer console. FAR from it in fact.

bultje112
06-11-2013, 10:56 AM
SEGA of America completely botched it all up. They deserve most of the blame.

not at all. sega of america couldn't dictate the price, which is what cost sega as back in 1995 the western markets were 16 bit for 95%. japan pushed everything through and eventually fucked up sega for good by cutting all support of systems except saturn.


Whats hard to understand? Even though i love the system i can still objectively admit it was built on a really crappy foundation.

the ps2 is considered the most succesful console ever. it was build on far worse foundation, which makes your argument invalid. "bad" hardware doesn't hurt a system as consumers have no idea. all the other things in the eye of the consumer do.

Bottino
06-11-2013, 01:26 PM
I want to know who i'm supposed to blame for not getting western releases for Grandia , Baroque and other great games.

Also, the Xburguer can only wish to have a great gaming library like the Saturn has.

sheath
06-11-2013, 01:32 PM
Blame the ever loving exec Bernie Stolar for the lack of Saturn localizations. He actually took the job at SoA specifically to kill the Saturn, he hated the Saturn and its games (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/sites/default/files/SatvPS12006/BernieStolarSaturn.mp3).

Bottino
06-11-2013, 01:55 PM
Thanks for that sheath.
http://www.sega-saturn.com/saturn/editorial/bernie.jpg

Saturn launch titles:

U.S. launch: May 11, 1995/European launch: July 8, 1995

Virtua Fighter
Panzer Dragoon
Clockwork Knight
Daytona USA

Playstation
U.S. launch: September 9, 1995
Air Combat
Battle Arena Toshinden
ESPN Extreme Games
Kileak - The DNA Imperative
NBA Jam Tournament Edition
Power Serve 3D Tennis
Rayman
Ridge Racer
Street Fighter: The Movie
The Raiden Project
Total Eclipse Turbo
Zero Divide

This guy is a joke.

sheath
06-11-2013, 02:03 PM
Thanks for that sheath.

Saturn launch titles:

U.S. launch: May 11, 1995/European launch: July 8, 1995

Virtua Fighter
Panzer Dragoon
Clockwork Knight
Daytona USA

Playstation
U.S. launch: September 9, 1995
Air Combat
Battle Arena Toshinden
ESPN Extreme Games
Kileak - The DNA Imperative
NBA Jam Tournament Edition
Power Serve 3D Tennis
Rayman
Ridge Racer
Street Fighter: The Movie
The Raiden Project
Total Eclipse Turbo
Zero Divide

This guy is a joke.

That is a great picture that goes in my jokes folder for future reference. It is so silly how he and Vic Ireland have created this narrative that three fricking months of the Saturn's western life defined its entire existence. The Pre-launch price and titles were quickly accompanied by the full nationwide launch titles and the price drop. By October there was no difference in quantity or quality of titles depending on tastes, by the end of the year the Saturn looked extremely strong.



Agile Warrior F-111X (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/agile-warrior-f-111x)

Playstation
1995
Virgin
North America




Air Combat (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/air-combat)

Playstation
1995
Namco
North America




Bases Loaded '96: Double... (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/bases-loaded-96-double-header-0)

Playstation
1995
Jaleco
North America




Battle Arena Toshinden (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/battle-arena-toshinden)

Playstation
1995
Sony
North America
Yes


Criticom (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/criticom-1)

Playstation
1995
Vic Tokai
North America




Cybersled (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/cybersled)

Playstation
1995
Namco
North America
.


Cyberspeed (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/cyberspeed)

Playstation
1995
Mindscape
North America




Defcon 5: Incoming (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/defcon-5-incoming-2)

Playstation
1995
Data East
North America




Destruction Derby (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/destruction-derby-1)
Playstation
1995
Psygnosis
North America
Yes


Discworld, Terry Prachett's (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/discworld-terry-prachetts)
Playstation
1995
Psygnosis
North America




Doom (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/doom-6)

Playstation
1995
Williams
North America
Yes


ESPN Extreme Games (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/espn-extreme-games)
Playstation
1995
Sony
North America




FIFA '96 (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/fifa-96-1)
Playstation
1995
Electronic Arts
North America




Geom Cube (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/geom-cube)
Playstation
1995
Amer Technos
North America




Gex (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/gex-3)
Playstation
1995
Crystal Dynamics
North America




Hi-Octane: The Track Fights Back (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/hi-octane-track-fights-back-1)
Playstation
1995
Electronic Arts
North America




Jumping Flash! (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/jumping-flash)
Playstation
1995
Sony
North America
Yes


Jupiter Strike (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/jupiter-strike)
Playstation
1995
Acclaim
North America




K-1 Revenge (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/k-1-revenge)
Playstation
1995
Jaleco
North America




Kileak: The DNA Imperative (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/kileak-dna-imperative)
Playstation
1995
Sony
North America




Lemmings 3D (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/lemmings-3d)
Playstation
1995
Psygnosis
North America




Loaded (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/loaded-1)
Playstation
1995
Interplay
North America
.


Mortal Kombat 3 (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/mortal-kombat-3-1)
Playstation
1995
Midway
North America
Yes


NBA In the Zone (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/nba-zone)
Playstation
1995
Konami
North America




NBA Jam Tournament Edition (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/nba-jam-tournament-edition-5)
Playstation
1995
Acclaim
North America




NFL Full Contact (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/nfl-full-contact)
Playstation
1995
Konami
North America




NFL GameDay (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/nfl-gameday)
Playstation
1995
Sony
North America




Novastorm (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/novastorm-2)
Playstation
1995
Psygnosis
North America




Off-World Interceptor Extreme (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/world-interceptor-extreme-2)
Playstation
1995
Crystal Dynamics
North America




Panzer General (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/panzer-general-0)
Playstation
1995
SSI
North America
Yes


PGA Tour '96 (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/pga-tour-96-2)
Playstation
1995
Electronic Arts
North America




Power Serve 3D Tennis (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/power-serve-3d-tennis)
Playstation
1995
Ocean
North America




Primal Rage (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/primal-rage-7)
Playstation
1995
Time Warner
North America




Raiden Project, The (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/raiden-project)
Playstation
1995
Sony
North America




Rayman (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/rayman-3)
Playstation
1995
Ubi Soft
North America
Yes


Ridge Racer (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/ridge-racer)
Playstation
1995
Namco
North America
Yes


Road Rash (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/road-rash-6)
Playstation
1995
Electronic Arts
North America




Shockwave Assault (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/shockwave-assault-1)
Playstation
1995
Crystal Dynamics
North America




Space Griffon VF-9 (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/space-griffon-vf-9)
Playstation
1995
Atlus
North America




Tekken (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/tekken)
Playstation
1995
Namco
North America
Yes


Theme Park (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/theme-park-5)
Playstation
1995
Electronic Arts
North America
Yes


Total Eclipse Turbo (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/total-eclipse-turbo)
Playstation
1995
Crystal Dynamics
North America
.


Twisted Metal (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/twisted-metal)
Playstation
1995
Sony
North America
Yes


Viewpoint (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/viewpoint-1)
Playstation
1995
Electronic Arts
North America




Warhawk (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/warhawk)
Playstation
1995
Sony
North America
Yes


Wipeout (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/wipeout-2)
Playstation
1995
Psygnosis
North America
Yes


WWF Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/wwf-wrestlemania-arcade-game-5)
Playstation
1995
Acclaim
North America




X-Com: UFO Defense (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/x-com-ufo-defense)
Playstation
1995
Microprose
North America
Yes


Zero Divide (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/zero-divide-0)
Playstation
1995
Time Warner
North America
Yes


Zoop (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/zoop-3)
Playstation
1995
Viacom
North America




Astal (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/astal)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


Bases Loaded '96: Double... (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/bases-loaded-96-double-header)
Sega Saturn
1995
Jaleco
North America




Black Fire (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/black-fire)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


Bug! (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/bug)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


Center Ring Boxing (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/center-ring-boxing)
Sega Saturn
1995
JVC
North America




Clockwork Knight (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/clockwork-knight)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


Corpse Killer: Graveyard Edition (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/corpse-killer-graveyard-edition)
Sega Saturn
1995
DigitalPictures
North America




Cyber Speedway (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/cyber-speedway)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


Cyberia (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/cyberia-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
Interplay
North America




D (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/d-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
Acclaim
North America




Dark Legend (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/dark-legend)
Sega Saturn
1995
Data East
North America
Yes


Daytona USA (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/daytona-usa)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


Double Switch (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/double-switch-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
DigitalPictures
North America




Gex (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/gex-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
Crystal Dynamics
North America




Ghen War (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/ghen-war)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


High Velocity: Mountain Racing... (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/high-velocity-mountain-racing-challenge)

Sega Saturn
1995
Atlus
North America
Yes


Horde, The (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/horde-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
Crystal Dynamics
North America




Mansion of Hidden Souls, The (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/mansion-hidden-souls-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


Myst (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/myst-2)
Sega Saturn
1995
Acclaim
North America
.


NHL All-Star Hockey (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/nhl-all-star-hockey)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America




Off-World Interceptor Extreme (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/world-interceptor-extreme)
Sega Saturn
1995
Crystal Dynamics
North America
.


Panzer Dragoon (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/panzer-dragoon)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


Pebble Beach Golf Links (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/pebble-beach-golf-links-1)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America




Primal Rage (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/primal-rage-4)
Sega Saturn
1995
Time Warner
North America




Quarterback Attack with Mike Ditka (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/quarterback-attack-mike-ditka-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
DigitalPictures
North America




Rayman (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/rayman-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
Ubisoft
North America
Yes


Revolution X (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/revolution-x)
Sega Saturn
1995
Acclaim
North America




Robotica (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/robotica)
Sega Saturn
1995
Acclaim
North America




Romance of the Three Kingdoms IV:... (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/romance-three-kingdoms-iv-wall-fire-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
Koei
North America
Yes


Sega Rally Championship (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/sega-rally-championship)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


Shanghai: Triple Threat (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/shanghai-triple-threat-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
Activision
North America




Shellshock (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/shellshock)
Sega Saturn
1995
US Gold
North America




Shinobi Legions (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/shinobi-legions)
Sega Saturn
1995
Vic Tokai
North America
Yes


SimCity 2000 (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/simcity-2000-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
Maxis
North America
Yes


Solar Eclipse (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/solar-eclipse)
Sega Saturn
1995
Crystal Dynamics
North America




Street Fighter: The Movie (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/street-fighter-movie)
Sega Saturn
1995
Acclaim
North America




Theme Park (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/theme-park-2)
Sega Saturn
1995
Electronic Arts
North America
Yes


Virtua Cop (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/virtua-cop)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


Virtua Fighter (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/virtua-fighter-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


Virtua Fighter 2 (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/virtua-fighter-2-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


Virtua Fighter Remix (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/virtua-fighter-remix)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


Virtual Hydlide (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/virtual-hydlide)
Sega Saturn
1995
Atlus
North America
.


VR Virtua Racing (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/vr-virtua-racing)
Sega Saturn
1995
Time Warner
North America
Yes


Wing Arms (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/wing-arms)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America
Yes


World Series Baseball (http://www.gamepilgrimage.com/content/world-series-baseball-0)
Sega Saturn
1995
Sega
North America

Barone
06-11-2013, 02:05 PM
I see Doom and MK3 in the PS1 list. Also, look at the sports line-up (not my thing, really, but it's big to people in US).
Just saying... :p

MrSega
06-11-2013, 02:59 PM
Thanks for that sheath.
http://www.sega-saturn.com/saturn/editorial/bernie.jpg

Saturn launch titles:

U.S. launch: May 11, 1995/European launch: July 8, 1995

Virtua Fighter
Panzer Dragoon
Clockwork Knight
Daytona USA

Playstation
U.S. launch: September 9, 1995
Air Combat
Battle Arena Toshinden
ESPN Extreme Games
Kileak - The DNA Imperative
NBA Jam Tournament Edition
Power Serve 3D Tennis
Rayman
Ridge Racer
Street Fighter: The Movie
The Raiden Project
Total Eclipse Turbo
Zero Divide

This guy is a joke.

Bernard Stolar a.k.a the Asstard.

Or the "Sony-spy" secretly hired to destroy Sega of America.

sheath
06-11-2013, 03:43 PM
I see Doom and MK3 in the PS1 list. Also, look at the sports line-up (not my thing, really, but it's big to people in US).
Just saying... :p

I was only answering the narrative that the Saturn didn't have "very good games". I am not interested in debating which system had the more mainstream game offerings. That is clearly going to favor the Playstation.

bultje112
06-11-2013, 04:40 PM
people that think bernie stolar is the reason saturn got fucked are so stuck in the 90s :facepalm:

sheath
06-11-2013, 04:41 PM
people that think bernie stolar is the reason saturn got fucked are so stuck in the 90s :facepalm:

The discussion was about why Grandia and other top Jpn Saturn games weren't localized. That was undeniably Stolar's fault, and it is a fact that he thought the Saturn "didn't have very good games" and that Saturn games weren't fun.

bultje112
06-11-2013, 04:53 PM
I responded to comments like mrsega about stolar being hired to destroy sega of america. he did the exact opposite in fact. under his guidance sega had the most succesful american launch ever and in fact for any system or company at the time

sheath
06-11-2013, 04:54 PM
I responded to comments like mrsega about stolar being hired to destroy sega of america. he did the exact opposite in fact. under his guidance sega had the most succesful american launch ever and in fact for any system or company at the time

Oh, yeah, I already forgot that insane comment. Sorry. ;)

zetastrike
06-11-2013, 04:57 PM
When Stolar was running SOA, did they just hand him lists of games and he checked off which ones he wanted brought over? Why would they allow just one guy to decide that? No one at Sega thought Grandia or Xmen vs Street fighter or Bulk Slash was good enough to localize? They could have made something of the Saturn if he wasn't hell bent on flushing it down the toilet. What was his problem?

Bottino
06-11-2013, 04:59 PM
I responded to comments like mrsega about stolar being hired to destroy sega of america. he did the exact opposite in fact. under his guidance sega had the most succesful american launch ever and in fact for any system or company at the time

I didn't know that Stolar was in command when the Dreamcast launched. I thought it was Peter Moore(?).

He's still a jerk though.

bultje112
06-11-2013, 05:00 PM
When Stolar was running SOA, did they just hand him lists of games and he checked off which ones he wanted brought over? Why would they allow just one guy to decide that? No one at Sega thought Grandia or Xmen vs Street fighter or Bulk Slash was good enough to localize? They could have made something of the Saturn if he wasn't hell bent on flushing it down the toilet. What was his problem?

the saturn could not have made anything. by 1997 saturn had 8% market share in the west. big flagship AAA rpg's like shining force 3 could not even sell 20,000 copies. in europe for instance it was outsold big time by world league soccer 98. stolar was very much right that rpg's wree a niche back then. yes ff7 sold well but it also got a ton of hype and marketing yet it isn't close to one of the best selling western psx games.

MrSega
06-11-2013, 05:00 PM
I didn't know that Stolar was in command when the Dreamcast launched. I thought it was Peter Moore(?).

He's still a jerk though.

Stolar was FINALLY terminated after E3 1999. Moore took over 3 months before the launch of Dreamcast. Stolar screwed up relations with EA as well.

sheath
06-11-2013, 05:00 PM
When Stolar was running SOA, did they just hand him lists of games and he checked off which ones he wanted brought over? Why would they allow just one guy to decide that? No one at Sega thought Grandia or Xmen vs Street fighter or Bulk Slash was good enough to localize? They could have made something of the Saturn if he wasn't hell bent on flushing it down the toilet. What was his problem?

Stolar is on the record saying that RPGs weren't popular enough in the West to localize, which was part of why Working Designs went over to Sony. Stolar also convinced Sega of Japan to stop spending on the Saturn and discontinue it in 1998 to put all resources on the Dreamcast's Western launch. Nobody has been able to explain why keeping the Saturn on store shelves, and localizing top games, would have cost Sega money from 1998 to September of 1999. It seems to me that it would have only increased their revenue and maybe even resulted in mild profits.

MrSega
06-11-2013, 05:02 PM
When Stolar was running SOA, did they just hand him lists of games and he checked off which ones he wanted brought over? Why would they allow just one guy to decide that? No one at Sega thought Grandia or Xmen vs Street fighter or Bulk Slash was good enough to localize? They could have made something of the Saturn if he wasn't hell bent on flushing it down the toilet. What was his problem?

The Saturn was entering its 2nd generation by 1997. There was still time and money to save it. Had SEGA/CSK management-wise not been so incompetent they would have put somebody smart and sensible in charge of SOA.

bultje112
06-11-2013, 05:04 PM
Stolar was FINALLY terminated after E3 1999. Moore took over 3 months before the launch of Dreamcast. Stolar screwed up relations with EA as well.

again wrong. ea demanded that they'd be the sole company to do sports games on dreamcast when sega alreaydy had visual concepts doing all the sports games(and better than any of ea). stolar rightfully told them no

MrSega
06-11-2013, 05:27 PM
again wrong. ea demanded that they'd be the sole company to do sports games on dreamcast when sega alreaydy had visual concepts doing all the sports games(and better than any of ea). stolar rightfully told them no

Both EA and Stolar were in the wrong. But that's not why EA didn't support Dreamcast. EA already knew that SEGA was financially weakened at the time, this only gave them an excuse.

Bottino
06-11-2013, 05:28 PM
again wrong. ea demanded that they'd be the sole company to do sports games on dreamcast when sega alreaydy had visual concepts doing all the sports games(and better than any of ea). stolar rightfully told them no

Only in therms of marketing not having EA were a bad(?) thing.

bultje112
06-11-2013, 05:51 PM
Only in therms of marketing not having EA were a bad(?) thing.

not having ea and having the best selling first party sports games was a far better outcome than having just ea to rack up all the profits and make sega no money

kool kitty89
06-11-2013, 07:21 PM
Well, technically the Genesis was Sega's third console...
4th if you count the SG-1000 II . . . (or SC-3000).

MrSega
06-11-2013, 07:26 PM
4th if you count the SG-1000 II . . . (or SC-3000).

SG-1000, SG-1000 II, SG-1000 Mark III.

SEGA sure had alot of consoles, didn't they? ;).