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bgpjr
07-08-2015, 10:12 AM
http://www.seganerds.com/2015/07/05/retron-5-adding-game-gear-adapter-later-this-year/

Looks like I'll finally get one of these machines.

segasonicfan
07-08-2015, 12:02 PM
http://www.seganerds.com/2015/07/05/retron-5-adding-game-gear-adapter-later-this-year/

Looks like I'll finally get one of these machines.

Cool news, finally some GG love!

This hardware is all emulated though, no?


“With the amount of Game Gears in the wild, the majority of them the screen is dried up, the resistors are cracked
lol. this spokesperson obviously doesn't have a clue about electronics. I've never seen a "cracked resistor" in all the game gears ive worked on and he seems to think the screens are some kind of summer tomato, hehe.

j_factor
07-08-2015, 12:16 PM
Ah yes, it sure was short-sighted of Sega to go with a fluid-filled membrane display. :p

tbb033
08-22-2015, 09:29 PM
It's weird they didn't just include GG capability from the get go, since I'm sure whatever SMS emulator they ripped off runs GG games. Granted you need a PBC to even play SMS on an R5, but I'm sure a lot of people would have found it more useful to have a GG slot than both an NES and a Famicom slot.

KnightWarrior
08-24-2015, 08:09 PM
Don't support a company that stole code for there System

Jeckidy
08-26-2015, 03:04 PM
I don't buy Chinese products that profit from software that others spent years perfecting. I don't buy reproductions that grant money to people other than the original authors, regardless of where they are made, and I do not buy shit like Dingoo or whatever. Hyperkin is an embarassment to the game world that only gullible people will support. Call me a moral zealot, but my views on a lot of these things has changed in the last few years. If you're going to pirate something, do it the fuck for free. Don't go ripping parts and programs from countries that only manage to put out quality products (from which they can plagiarize to begin with) mostly because their government and society gives more respect and protection to the people who put their heart and soul into it, even if most people in the end are still cheap as all hell.

Black_Tiger
08-26-2015, 06:41 PM
There is an RGB hoard for Game Gear now that has a port fir a Genesis controller and it asigns the Pause button to the Srart button on Genesis pads. It's not too expensive andceffectively consolizes a Game Gear in a single mod.

This emulation box is just a poor version of emulating on a computer. Carrying around an emukator based portable or running emulators on your smart phone makes sense. But I don't see the market for this as it isn't for the hardcore and who has a collection of GG carts if they're not?

Melf
08-28-2015, 12:38 AM
If someone would consolize and sell it, I'd buy one. I really want to play my GG games on a TV on original hardware.

Black_Tiger
08-28-2015, 01:15 AM
If someone would consolize and sell it, I'd buy one. I really want to play my GG games on a TV on original hardware.

That's what I did. I can't do any mods myself, so I'm more than happy to pay a good price for something which fills all of my needs.

The seller would likely put one together for you if you asked.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sega-Game-Gear-mit-RGB-TV-Out-Controller-Anschluss-neuen-Kondensatoren-/251986933974?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item3aab9778d6

zetastrike
08-28-2015, 06:46 PM
What is the target market for the Retron5? Anyone who already has a bunch of carts has the original consoles. I don't think it will inspire many to take up game collecting. Is it meant as a convenient way to play your existing collection on a HDTV? Can't you just do that with a laptop with VGA or HDMI out?

Black_Tiger
08-28-2015, 09:10 PM
What is the target market for the Retron5? Anyone who already has a bunch of carts has the original consoles. I don't think it will inspire many to take up game collecting. Is it meant as a convenient way to play your existing collection on a HDTV? Can't you just do that with a laptop with VGA or HDMI out?

It would make sense if it had a harddrive inside that you could just put rom sets on. I think that it only exists because so many people keep buying clones, no matter how expensive or problematic they can be compared to real hardware.

bgpjr
09-30-2015, 12:39 AM
What is the target market for the Retron5? Anyone who already has a bunch of carts has the original consoles. I don't think it will inspire many to take up game collecting. Is it meant as a convenient way to play your existing collection on a HDTV? Can't you just do that with a laptop with VGA or HDMI out?

For me, it's the ability to play on a HDTV. I don't have VGA inputs on my TV and my pc is too far away to do a HDMI output for my TV. I like the fact the console can apply hacks to games, the save states, the upscaling (which looks pretty good if you get the right combination of filters) and the ability to play famicom games with ease. I don't regret my purchase.

DJ_Convoy
09-30-2015, 12:42 PM
Exactly this. It doesn't replace my real consoles; it supplements them.

Lastcallhall
09-30-2015, 02:52 PM
I tried one on a HDTV at a local retro shop here in town. Hated it. The delay for NES games is awful.

chilled
09-30-2015, 03:13 PM
most people do NOT care if a game runs emulated or on "real hardware". Heck, even Genesis 3 cannot be considered "real hardware".

On the other side, my 5+ year old netbook does all the Retron 5 does and much better and with a lot of other options like having all the games for all the systems stored in it (I don't, but I could). Even a Raspberry Pi can do this without hassle. But I get people want convenience and getting the feeling that they are reviving their old cartridges, and that ultimately feels real, and probably feels more real than using an everdrive on a MD 1 (like I do) even if the latter is supposed to be more real.

In the end it's just code being interpreted and people who buy Retrons want something more solid, something they can touch. I don't like giving money to people benefiting of others work but I understand people doing it and thinking "hell, that's how the real world works anyway"

David J.
10-01-2015, 02:05 AM
Just buy a raspberry pi, setup retropie and call it a day...

Guntz
10-01-2015, 03:54 AM
most people do NOT care if a game runs emulated or on "real hardware". Heck, even Genesis 3 cannot be considered "real hardware".

On the other side, my 5+ year old netbook does all the Retron 5 does and much better and with a lot of other options like having all the games for all the systems stored in it (I don't, but I could). Even a Raspberry Pi can do this without hassle. But I get people want convenience and getting the feeling that they are reviving their old cartridges, and that ultimately feels real, and probably feels more real than using an everdrive on a MD 1 (like I do) even if the latter is supposed to be more real.

In the end it's just code being interpreted and people who buy Retrons want something more solid, something they can touch. I don't like giving money to people benefiting of others work but I understand people doing it and thinking "hell, that's how the real world works anyway"

*sigh*, you're really misinformed. Most people don't care, but they should.

Old games are code, cartridge or ROM file, same thing. They are literally instructions for hardware. It ALL comes down to the hardware whether the game plays correctly! Real hardware ensures the game will run properly, no slowdown, no bullshit. Like everything in life, there's good and bad real hardware, Genesis has lots of that.

Now things like software emulators are very different. It's a completely unrelated CPU having to interpret code it doesn't normally understand. Trying to replicate like this down to the transistor would require a massive ton of processing power, to the point that remaking the original console chipset makes more sense.

Shouldn't the most important part of a game be how it runs? They best option is real hardware, because it's transistor accurate. Software emulators, just by their nature alone, can't be 100% identical. The key part here is consoles like the RetroN5 have underpowered hardware, so the emulation sucks.

Thierry Henry
10-01-2015, 04:27 AM
I'm ok with it. The feature where it applies a translation patch in-game is also neat.

Raijin Z
10-01-2015, 05:10 AM
Just buy a raspberry pi

Don't support Raspberry Pi in any capacity. If you see it in the road, you must kill it. If it is burning to death, you may beat the fire out with a tire iron.

Anyway, best thing you can do if you love video games is to support the current projects of those who haven't turned traitor like Con-Man did.

chilled
10-01-2015, 01:45 PM
*sigh*, you're really misinformed. Most people don't care, but they should.
I'm not disinformed... people are.

And the are more differences between revisions of a rom than there are (gameplay wise) between playing on a real MD and a PC (I do both), and most people in this forum don't seem to care about this. There are also way more differences graphically in outputting from not recoded RGB source than compositing, s-videoing, etc (and that, people in this forum really care about, as they should) than from outputting the same video between RGB from a PC or the real deal.

I don't know. It all comes down to playing games/carts with on/off buttons, pads, cords, etc and launching it with a mouse and your skype/browser/gmail in the background

Lastcallhall
10-01-2015, 03:39 PM
I'm not disinformed... people are.

And the are more differences between revisions of a rom than there are (gameplay wise) between playing on a real MD and a PC (I do both), and most people in this forum don't seem to care about this. There are also way more differences graphically in outputting from not recoded RGB source than compositing, s-videoing, etc (and that, people in this forum really care about, as they should) than from outputting the same video between RGB from a PC or the real deal.

I don't know. It all comes down to playing games/carts with on/off buttons, pads, cords, etc and launching it with a mouse and your skype/browser/gmail in the background

This might be the biggest load of bullshit I've read all day. If you really think that playing a ROM on a PC is the same experience/different method as playing on a custom chipset designed to run the code - regardless of revision - that's supplied on a cartridge -

Wait. You're trolling, aren't you? You have to be.

Raijin Z
10-01-2015, 04:16 PM
Nothing wrong with emulation if that's all you have access to, or if you don't want to drop a few thousand dollars on systems that will just start collecting dust after a few hours on each.

chilled
10-01-2015, 07:18 PM
This might be the biggest load of bullshit I've read all day. If you really think that playing a ROM on a PC is the same experience/different method as playing on a custom chipset designed to run the code - regardless of revision - that's supplied on a cartridge -

Wait. You're trolling, aren't you? You have to be.
Maybe it's time to state that I own 5 Megadrives and no other console, and I use them. I was saying that there's not as much as differences as there is between playing rev00 and rev02 of some games (you know which one I'm thinking about). There you have obvious differences you can comment on. Between playing with a usb MD pad on a PC connected to a 120" projected image on a wall and an old 15" CRT which sole merit is being so bad it blends pixels and avoids dithering in RGB, and and a VA1.8 MD2 (one of the most common models at least in Europe) with "awesome" stock sound, well, no, I don't think there's too much difference from a gamer point of view. And if there is some, it is to the advantage of, safly, emulation.

It's not me who is saying image quality is much better in Fusion than in its original hardware. But, oh well, if you still think I'm advocating for emulation, be it, read what you want from what I'm saying. I'm just trying to state the obvious: 99% people can't tell if a video output s being emulated or produced by real hardware and, if they can, it's just because image quality is poorer on real hardware. That's the sad truth you don't seem to like to acknowledge just because it looks cooler to advocate for the real thing. Well, I advocate for the real thing (did you forget the part where I say using the Everdrive vs real carts doesn't feel real?), but that doesn't mean I have to say everything but crappy video re-encoded in realtime (except for RGB) by a crappy encoder inside some hardware that was produced to be the cheapest possible, and then upscaled by a framemeister and whatnot, is the only way to go.

I'm sorry but I'll never buy a DS to play remakes or buy HD versions of 16-bit games, but I get why people do that instead of (re)purchasing real old hardware, CRTs, etc: if people just want to feel they are using an old console they go buy a Retron which just seems to work, video is outputted & upscaled anywhere without hassle (I guess) and they still get the feel that they are using real hardware (meaning a physical object they have to turn on, has pads, accepts their old cartridges, etc): do you really think people care if their car is being loaded on some flash memory before launch and then the hardware is being emulated instead of "reconstructed" inside the console?

Guntz
10-03-2015, 05:12 PM
I take it you don't know that today's software emulators must approximate the interpretation of the target platform for speed? If a Genesis emulator were to do transistor-accurate emulation (functional equivalent to real hardware), it would run like a slideshow, if at all, even on top of the line consumer PC hardware. There exists a transistor-level emulator for Pong and it requires a massive ton of computing power and that game didn't even have a CPU, it was all discrete logic.

At that point, why bother wasting so much computing power over something that is better replaced by real hardware, good single chip clones or FPGAs?

I for one am not a fan of approximations when it comes to games. The hardware is what really matters, because it determines how the game works. The ROM really doesn't matter by comparison, They're just instructions. A ROM is a ROM regardless of container.

In fact, there are still instances of games not working in emulators, even recent ones. Nestopia is the most popular NES emulator now and it doesn't play Hard Drivin' correctly. That's not the fault of the game, it works perfectly as intended on a real NES. The problem is the emulator.

Hell, emulators have even contributed to the butchering of perfectly good ROMs. When Earth Bound, that unreleased NES prototype translation for Mother 1, was made available online back in the late 90s, the best emulator around was Nesticle. Earth Bound wouldn't work with Nesticle as is, so fans decided to hack the game to make it work on Nesticle, rather than admit that Nesticle was a piece of shit. In the end, they had to remove the copy protection routines from the ROM. This is the hack that also adds "Zero" to the title screen (EarthBound Zero). It's interesting to note that the original Earth Bound prototype works perfectly on real hardware and the copy protection never trips during play. Thanks a lot Nesticle...

David J.
10-06-2015, 01:45 AM
Don't support Raspberry Pi in any capacity. If you see it in the road, you must kill it. If it is burning to death, you may beat the fire out with a tire iron.

Anyway, best thing you can do if you love video games is to support the current projects of those who haven't turned traitor like Con-Man did.

The Retron 5 uses Retroarch, you can save a few bucks and get a Raspberry Pi, install Retropie which also uses Retroarch. Unless you really want to use cartridges...

djtwok
12-14-2017, 09:08 AM
GG Support on Retron is Great, no need to turn on my blurry gg screen and loosing battery life in the middle of the game.

PixelPedant
12-14-2017, 05:58 PM
The Retron 5 uses Retroarch, you can save a few bucks and get a Raspberry Pi, install Retropie which also uses Retroarch. Unless you really want to use cartridges...

More than a few bucks, too. I mean, from where I'm standing, a Retron 5 + Game Gear add-on would cost $210CAD, and a complete Raspberry Pi Zero kit perfectly capable of handling Game Gear emulation is $20CAD. So over 10 times as much, for a much poorer solution.

roadkill
12-21-2017, 08:07 AM
All of the emulators on the Retron 5 I've had on my Nintendo Wii since 2011, and I spent half the amount of money on that console ATT than what a Retron 5 still costs today. Along with all those emulators for my softmodded Wii, I have real hardware GameCube backwards compatibility to go with it too. I can't stand that the Retron 5 forces you to use cartridges for emulators (which were stolen as already pointed out in previous posts), it's the only product on the planet that does that and it's stupid as ****. For those of you who want to buy a Retron 5, do yourselves a favor and just get a softmodded Wii, a softmodded/modchipped Original Xbox, or a raspberry pi fitted out as a retro pi. You can still keep/collect your carts and just keep them on display or store them and I suppose you can tell yourselves "oh hey, I'm not stealing this specific game's ROM because I bought the cartridge". I hear the Retron 5 is one of if not the laggiest way to play retro games as well, I'm talking about controller input lag. Retron 5s are also notorious for having their voltage regulator flash chips go bad, and they're impossible to repair unless you just simply take the power board from another working Retron 5.

However, if you really must have the Retron 5, I actually highly recommend the Retro Freak over it. It lets you load ROMs off of SD cards as well as letting you dump your own carts onto SD cards, and it's build quality is better. If you're not into that sorta thing, yes it lets you simply play games off of carts with emulators. They're sold in Japan.

StuOhQ
12-21-2017, 02:14 PM
I've been wondering about this myself, as I'd like to use original carts. Is there any lag and how accurately do the games play?

The Behar Bros. have an awesome consolized Game Gear but it's pricey!

Black_Tiger
12-21-2017, 02:46 PM
I've been wondering about this myself, as I'd like to use original carts. Is there any lag and how accurately do the games play?

The Behar Bros. have an awesome consolized Game Gear but it's pricey!

I believe that the Retron 5 like many clones doesn't actually play your carts. It only rips the rom and then your cart continues to sit their unused. So you could get a retropie setup or some other (potentially lag free) device capable of emulation and just stick your cart on top of it, so you can look down at it from time to time and have the same experience.

avlon
12-21-2017, 06:20 PM
That's exactly what happens. The Retron 5 rips the rom off your cart temporarily. It only keeps it until you remove the cart. The most interaction that it has with an original cart is that it can copy saves from and to the cart.

As for compatibility, it's hit-and-miss. For example, Virtua Racing for the Genesis worked until the last update. One time, they updated and completely broke Master System compatibility. Most homebrew won't work either, and even when they do, they come up as "unknown game" without an option to manually edit the title. There is no 32x compatibility.

As for lag, fighting games are unplayable using wireless controllers, and nearly unplayable with wired controls. Most other genres are playable though.

Edit: Almost forgot. You can play ROMS on it by simply IPS "patching" any game.

StuOhQ
01-10-2018, 03:25 AM
...just stick your cart on top of it, so you can look down at it from time to time and have the same experience.

Haha, good point. If it's only emulation - there's not much point in the original carts. Still, it's SOMETHING... maybe it's just me trying to justify going cheaper than the consolized GG while still using carts.

roadkill
02-02-2018, 11:07 PM
Haha, good point. If it's only emulation - there's not much point in the original carts. Still, it's SOMETHING... maybe it's just me trying to justify going cheaper than the consolized GG while still using carts.

There really is no point of getting a Retron 5. It's overpriced. The fact that your forced to get a PBC to play SMS (instead of them putting an SMS slot over a Famicom slot) as well as an adapter sold by Hyperkin for GG games (more money in their pockets) shows they're just milking stolen emulators and cheap hardware. One of the emulators they use is Genesis Plus, which supports Genesis/MD/SMS/GG/Sega CD without any carts or CDs at all, but the stupid Retron 5 is the only emulation platform that forces you to use carts.

It's actually much more worth while to emulate using either a Raspberry Pi, Original Xbox, Ouya, or a Wii and just keep your carts stashed away than to put them in the cheap, grip of death pin connectors used on the Retron 5 while ALSO emulating them, not to mention the crazy high amount of input lag the Retron 5 has.

StuOhQ
12-16-2018, 09:03 PM
So, the new Analogue Mega SG is going to have a passive Game Gear adapter - that will only set you back $10. This definitely makes the Mega SG much more compelling for me.

highlandcattle
12-18-2018, 02:14 PM
this is also a passive adaptor. It works in an actual mega drive. Most games look like shit because of the Difference between my SMS and GG. only Outrun Europe and Castle of illusion in my collection played normally

StuOhQ
01-02-2019, 10:00 PM
this is also a passive adaptor. It works in an actual mega drive. Most games look like shit because of the Difference between my SMS and GG. only Outrun Europe and Castle of illusion in my collection played normally

Haha I would imagine that they would look awful, what with the Genesis basically running them as Master System games (which have a much smaller color palette). Also, what kind of connections do you have that you are able to get the Mega SG and adapter early? I'm quite jealous!