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KitsuneNight
08-03-2017, 05:21 PM
since i have decided to get back in to the dreamcast after foolishly selling it off 2 years ago
im looking in to the best way of getting the best picture quality on a hd tv for my dreamcast


currently i use the standard av cables and these off course wont do
so what is the best to use ?
a vga box ?
rgb cable ?
an hdmi upscaler ?

anything else ?

CrossBow
08-03-2017, 05:38 PM
VGA if your HDTV has a PC input port to take it would be the best cheapest method. My TV doesn't have a VGA or DVI input port so I went with one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006LP0FXA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And also some cheap female to female gender changers. I notice no lag in this setup as there isn't any upscaling taking place and it looks fantastic. For those games that don't support the VGA, I just plug my s-video cable into the DC and that in turn goes through an s-video to hdmi adapter.

cleeg
08-03-2017, 06:09 PM
Toro box from Behar Bros is what I use. Coupled with a Framemeister it looks nice. The OSSC works well too, but I have yet to try that option.

http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de

There's a lot (really, a lot) of good info above.

KitsuneNight
08-03-2017, 06:52 PM
VGA if your HDTV has a PC input port to take it would be the best cheapest method. My TV doesn't have a VGA or DVI input port so I went with one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006LP0FXA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And also some cheap female to female gender changers. I notice no lag in this setup as there isn't any upscaling taking place and it looks fantastic. For those games that don't support the VGA, I just plug my s-video cable into the DC and that in turn goes through an s-video to hdmi adapter.

my hd tv which is getting on a bit has a vga port so i will most likely look in to a vga box

Valkeerie
08-03-2017, 07:42 PM
I use the OSSC with a SCART cable for pure RGB in 576p (deinterlaced or line doubled), and a monitor set to 75Hz for content in 25 frames per second, but I try to enjoy games in PAL 60Hz more often than not. I only free the OSSC from the Dreamcast with the VGA Box when I want to connect the PS2 with a close setup.

Hidden_Darkness
08-03-2017, 08:56 PM
The only problem with vga through a Dreamcast is that there are a few games that won't work through vga, not very many but look up a list online to see if the games you want to play are compatible.

Black_Tiger
08-03-2017, 11:27 PM
In the past, I've just used the VGA box I bought bitd on hdtvs, but I'd probably need an adaptor or something now. It did look amazing though.

Thierry Henry
08-04-2017, 05:08 AM
since i have decided to get back in to the dreamcast after foolishly selling it off 2 years ago
im looking in to the best way of getting the best picture quality on a hd tv for my dreamcast

I use those Retro-Bit DC VGA cables. I'm sure you can get them from, let's say, Amazon.

I mostly use the DC now on a 21" PC CRT monitor. Over here those are mostly given away for nothing nowadays. The visuals are really good.

cleeg
08-04-2017, 05:11 AM
For those non VGA games there is a toggle switch on the Toro. I use it when running a SCART cable out of it, I'm not sure if it works via the DSUB port or not...

Greg2600
08-04-2017, 01:12 PM
https://www.beharbros.com/akura

Akura is coming soon, outputs directly to HDMI.

http://www.hdretrovision.com/development/

HD Retrovision are also developing a component cable.

GohanX
08-04-2017, 03:32 PM
Impressive on both fronts.

Melf
01-03-2018, 01:59 PM
I seriously need to upgrade. I'm still using s-video.

gamevet
01-04-2018, 02:00 AM
The VGA box looked fine on my old VGA monitor, but it wasn't all that great on my PC's 1080p LCD. I much prefer using my Dreamcast on an HD-CRT with S-Video.

xelement5x
01-04-2018, 01:10 PM
I seriously need to upgrade. I'm still using s-video.

S-Video has pretty solid output quality in my opinion. You may loose some visual benefits on the VGA enabled stuff, but it also means you don't have to worry about which games may/may not work with VGA.


I will mention I have seen others have issues with the DC to VGA cables compared to the ones that are boxes with outputs on them. YMMV as with everything though.

CrossBow
01-04-2018, 02:28 PM
As I stated above my current VGA setup works really well for the games I play. Bangai-O is the only game I have in my collection that I simply cannot get to work on VGA no matter what. I can trick it, but then the actual graphics will be all corrupted on the screen making the game completely unplayable. I have looked at getting one of the Toro boxes so that I could effectively have s-video and VGA connected and switch between them as needed. But getting the video out side to work in my AV setup would be a nightmare and a cable somewhere would have to be unplugged and plugged back in to swap. I really like the Akura and it is available to be ordered now. But in looking at it, it pretty much just switches the VGA down still requiring you to flip a switch to trick the games. That would mean the switch is only faking the lower res connection to the DC when powering up. So games like Bangai-O still wouldn't work with the Akura. Shame as I like the idea of running straight to the HDMI without having an adapter in the mix.

Greg2600
01-05-2018, 01:02 AM
The Akura apparently is now available, and costs $85. The HD Retrovision cables are not available yet, still in prototyping.

StuOhQ
01-13-2018, 04:35 AM
since i have decided to get back in to the dreamcast after foolishly selling it off 2 years ago
im looking in to the best way of getting the best picture quality on a hd tv for my dreamcast


currently i use the standard av cables and these off course wont do
so what is the best to use ?
a vga box ?
rgb cable ?
an hdmi upscaler ?

anything else ?

VGA is the first step to be sure. Outside of the official SEGA cables, they best box comes from the Beharbros.


https://youtu.be/u4Hld3ewARk
https://youtu.be/u4Hld3ewARk

In the video, I also go over what scaler options work for those without a VGA input on their display (or those who want to capture the footage).

CrossBow
01-13-2018, 12:31 PM
In the video, I also go over what scaler options work for those without a VGA input on their display (or those who want to capture the footage).

I saw a brief shot of the Sewell VGA to HDMI adapter? What are you using that for if you are using it and what were your impressions on that?

bultje112
01-24-2018, 04:51 PM
I've tested many vga boxes and tv's extensively although no real vga scaler. in my opinion the best thing to do is get a good hdtv with low lag and very good internal scaler and simply use a vga to hdmi converter and the hanzo vga box, which seems the best.

perhaps the new akura looks better with it just being vga to hdmi.

avlon
02-05-2018, 11:23 AM
Here comes a new challenger!

https://image.ibb.co/dB14Qc/hd.png (https://imgbb.com/)

CrossBow
02-05-2018, 12:33 PM
Here comes a new challenger!

https://image.ibb.co/dB14Qc/hd.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Noice!

Might a reason to now find a component switch box! Currently I have my Genesis hooked up via component straight to my LED but if the DC cables can handle all games, then yes!

cleeg
02-05-2018, 01:03 PM
I just got a Kramer matrix for a decent price, it uses digital coax but with a cheap audio switch box it's golden. I'd recommend one if you can get a good price. Failing that those Extron BNC matrices can be good value but pricier in terms of cable adapters.

CrossBow
02-05-2018, 06:08 PM
Of course I just realized that these cables for the DC will be subject to the same limitations as the other cables. Namely that your TV has to be able to support 240p signals for those games that aren't VGA capable. Unless of course something like the OSSC is put into the mix as well of course.

IrishNinja
02-05-2018, 06:12 PM
Here comes a new challenger!

https://image.ibb.co/dB14Qc/hd.png (https://imgbb.com/)

go onnnnnnnnnn

Greg2600
02-06-2018, 01:57 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVRzgtWXcAENyFj.jpg

If the mode is 240p and 480i, wouldn't modern TV's be okay since they should accept 480i?

CrossBow
02-06-2018, 04:59 PM
Only if it sees the signal as being 480i. But if the DC is putting out a 240p signal through the component like the Genesis, SNES etc...then it might have issues. If everything is output at 480i and 480p then no worries but have to know more. My TV is picky...it will play the Genesis and Saturn fine at 240p, but SNES and master system are a no go. However, I can use my MegaED x7 to play master system games on my genesis and that works.

Greg2600
02-06-2018, 05:35 PM
Only if it sees the signal as being 480i. But if the DC is putting out a 240p signal through the component like the Genesis, SNES etc...then it might have issues. If everything is output at 480i and 480p then no worries but have to know more. My TV is picky...it will play the Genesis and Saturn fine at 240p, but SNES and master system are a no go. However, I can use my MegaED x7 to play master system games on my genesis and that works.

Ahhh. You don't need to tell me about 240 headaches, I've had plenty! It's why I wound up going with RGB SCART into HDMI upscaler to alleviate. Believe it or not, my interest here is for my CRT setup, which is 480i. I just want a single cable I can just hook up permanently and don't need to fiddle with. I have it hooked up with S-Video now :yuck:, want component, but don't want to do VGA converting or anything like that, just a straight cable. My RGB upscaler on my HDTV has one of those VGA to RCA breakout cables which I'll just stick with, Akura is overkill for me.

Leynos
02-15-2018, 11:52 PM
I use an HDMI adapter box and holy shit! DC game sin 1080P look amazing! I got it some time ago and first played Zombie Revenge with it. Since that game used Model 3 there is a lot of graphical effects that were impressive at the time and in 1080P really shined through.

bultje112
02-16-2018, 04:28 AM
I use an HDMI adapter box and holy shit! DC game sin 1080P look amazing! I got it some time ago and first played Zombie Revenge with it. Since that game used Model 3 there is a lot of graphical effects that were impressive at the time and in 1080P really shined through.

wait till you see shenmue 2 in 1080p at night. tremendous lightning!

Leynos
02-16-2018, 08:06 AM
Indeed. I know this is a SEGA forum so some bias is expected but I truly feel as a whole with exceptions Dreamcast games aged better than PS2. DC just had sharper textures and sharper models. From these HD converters to ports like Zero Gunner 2 on Switch look really nice.

Greg2600
02-16-2018, 12:54 PM
Indeed. I know this is a SEGA forum so some bias is expected but I truly feel as a whole with exceptions Dreamcast games aged better than PS2. DC just had sharper textures and sharper models. From these HD converters to ports like Zero Gunner 2 on Switch look really nice.

Two reasons. First, the PS2 graphically was probably the weakest of that generation. Second, SEGA artwork on games were some of the best, along with Nintendo. Japanese artists though have always preferred more of a cartoon style that is more fantasy than reality. So when you upscale, it looks great. That being said, while connoisseurs such as us prefer, the layman clearly did not at the time. Most buyers want realism, not art. It's sad.

Leynos
02-16-2018, 02:42 PM
Nintendo and SEGA at the time really designed their hardware well as they were incredible with color and high-resolution textures. I have some DC texture packs on my PC somewhere. Shame the best hardware that generation was outsold by a system with terrible hardware. Not that I hate Sony nore am I a person who blames PS2 for the demise of DC (that's SEGA's own fault).

StuOhQ
03-21-2018, 01:32 PM
As a follow-up to my previous post: those with HDMI inputs only can now pick up an "Akura" box from Beharbros. That model is HDMI straight out of the back of your DC. As Avlon mentioned, HDRetrovision has a DC cable on the way as well - if your TV has component inputs.