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Yharnamresident
06-16-2018, 07:22 AM
Finally managed to hook up my Dreamcast to my home theatre. So I will be personally verifying which games have surround sound, whether its undocumented or documented(says on game case).

The most common format is Dolby Surround(Pro Logic I), because the Dreamcast was discontinued before Dolby Pro Logic II became popular in 2001/2002.

https://i.imgur.com/sUGzB4gl.jpg



Undocumented:
-Virtua Tennis(lots of centre channel use)
-Sega GT(actually uses rear channels for rival car noises)
-Test Drive Le Mans(surround effects seem to be amped up during replays)
-Metropolis Street Racer(game intro sounds impressive, but the rest of the game has rather scarce surround effect)
-Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2(the music is mixed in surround like Ridge Racer V)
-Ikaruga(the game has constant surround effects, can/should be cited as a Dreamcast game with full surround sound)

Documented:
-NHL 2K
-NHL 2K2

I will be updating this list as I go through more games

Yharnamresident
10-09-2019, 01:17 PM
Added Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2

I've come to the conclusion that most games use Dolby Surround encoding, what depends is if they actually do anything impressive with the encoding.

Yharnamresident
10-10-2019, 02:27 PM
I've discovered something substantial that makes me glad I made this thread.

Ikaruga is absolutely loaded to the brim with surround effects. Its a quantum leap over the other games I've tried. Stuff like corridors opening, enemies falling off screen, entering new areas, its very well done. This game must be included in any Dreamcast surround sound lists.

GohanX
10-10-2019, 05:28 PM
How are you verifying that they were actually created with surround encoding? Pro Logic or DTS surround modes in a receiver can apply processing to pretty much any stereo source, doesn't mean the designers were giving the faintest thought to rear channels when they were designing the audio. Try going through time in Sonic CD, it sounds pretty amazing in surround but I can guarantee you Sega did not give the slightest care to surround sound in 1993.

Yharnamresident
10-10-2019, 10:41 PM
How are you verifying that they were actually created with surround encoding? Pro Logic or DTS surround modes in a receiver can apply processing to pretty much any stereo source, doesn't mean the designers were giving the faintest thought to rear channels when they were designing the audio. Try going through time in Sonic CD, it sounds pretty amazing in surround but I can guarantee you Sega did not give the slightest care to surround sound in 1993.

Well it should be pretty obvious that I'm relying upon my personal observations. AKA take it with a bit of salt. I will say that a lot of the things I mention are practically impossible for the receiver to come up with on its own.

Team Andromeda
10-11-2019, 07:28 AM
Try going through time in Sonic CD, it sounds pretty amazing in surround but I can guarantee you Sega did not give the slightest care to surround sound in 1993.

Yeah NiGHTS on the Saturn can give some great surround, while not supporting in it. In 1993 SEGA seemed more focus on Q-Sound I did like how some EA Mega-CD games used Surround sound officially.
FIFA on the Mega CD was quite impressive in sound sound

Yharnamresident
10-11-2019, 01:24 PM
Yeah NiGHTS on the Saturn can give some great surround, while not supporting in it. In 1993 SEGA seemed more focus on Q-Sound I did like how some EA Mega-CD games used Surround sound officially.
FIFA on the Mega CD was quite impressive in sound sound

Thanks for the idea TA, there also has to be surround sound list threads for the Saturn and Sega CD. I will eventually create them if they aren't already created.

Ecco
10-11-2019, 08:50 PM
How about Ecco on Dreamcast? I bet it's loaded with surround-sound effects...

Ecco
10-11-2019, 08:53 PM
Yeah NiGHTS on the Saturn can give some great surround, while not supporting in it. In 1993 SEGA seemed more focus on Q-Sound I did like how some EA Mega-CD games used Surround sound officially.
FIFA on the Mega CD was quite impressive in sound sound

^I never really checked specifically for surround sound effects, but years ago, I remember that FIFA on Sega CD, had really nice sound effects in general. The crowd cheering real audio recordings. I remember the audio was relaxing, and realistic.

Yharnamresident
10-12-2019, 12:22 AM
How about Ecco on Dreamcast? I bet it's loaded with surround-sound effects...Well personally I lack the motivation to check, that game genre just isn't my style. But maybe TA has a Dolby receiver hooked up where he could check.


^I never really checked specifically for surround sound effects, but years ago, I remember that FIFA on Sega CD, had really nice sound effects in general. The crowd cheering real audio recordings. I remember the audio was relaxing, and realistic.The possibility of surround sound on the Sega CD never popped in my head, even though its clearly a good match for it, CD storage space and multiple PCM channels.

Team Andromeda
10-12-2019, 04:31 AM
Well personally I lack the motivation to check, that game genre just isn't my style. But maybe TA has a Dolby receiver hooked up where he could check.


The game doesn't support Dolby in software/hardware. You do get some nice effects mind (but its not coded in) it's just a quirk of using a sound system
There's some nice Q-Sound support in the likes of D2, Pen Pen, Sonic Adv mind . I'm not sure if they were brought over to the USA/Pal versions

Baloo
01-05-2021, 10:01 PM
Is there a comprehensive list of the retro video games that support Dolby Pro Logic and QSound for Genesis, SNES, Saturn, Dreamcast, Gamecube, etc? And can a Dolby Pro Logic receiver support games that have QSound abilities?

roce
01-06-2021, 04:53 AM
Some N64 games also support Dolby something-or-other surround sound.

Joe Redifer
01-06-2021, 05:46 AM
Anything that has sounds in the center channel simply means that some of the sounds are in mono. All mono sounds will come through the center channel. In fact ONLY mono sounds will come through the center channel. Surround sound is almost as simple. The sound must be in mono (same sound and volume in the left and right audio signal) but that sound is out of phase, meaning that sound in the left channel will be 180ļ out of phase with that same sound in the right channel. The receiver sends it to the surround speakers. Lots of sounds can do this accidentally.

Q Sound is stupid as it relies on the person being directly between the two speakers. Don't turn your head or move. Even if you don't the effect is underwhelming at best. If you wanna hear great surround from only two speakers, play PSVR with headphones.

Team Andromeda
01-06-2021, 09:50 AM
Q Sound is stupid as it relies on the person being directly between the two speakers. Don't turn your head or move. Even if you don't the effect is underwhelming at best. If you wanna hear great surround from only two speakers, play PSVR with headphones.

I don't think it was stupid, but a product of its time for the home and Arcades. The effect did work well on my old Nicam Stereo TV and I think some games did it a lot better than others; Ecco on the Mega CD was really good and I also got some good effect with Pen Pen on the DC, where it really did give a wide sound space . Not a game changer or anything but a nice effect from just a basic set up and it meant one could use RGB Scart lead on the DC.

I was disappointed to see SEGA who the time, were such a forward thinking and tech corp, give so little support for surround sound with the DC and Saturn in Hardware or its games (I take it Dolby asked a lot?) I did enjoy playing NHL 2K2 in Surround sound back in the day, one of the few SEGA games to support it. I got to give credit to RARE on the N64 when it came to Dobly support early in too

All that said SEGA 5.1 in SEGA GT 2002 and SpikeOut was some of the best use of the format. The sound effects in Spikeout were bone crushing and crystal clear and the 5.1 in SEGA GT the best ever you could even hear the engine purring LOL

Joe Redifer
01-06-2021, 08:00 PM
Q Sound never worked well in arcades because it was rarely on games where you could stand directly and equally between the two speakers. I didn't think Ecco had any good effects, even with headphones. Q Sound was all hype, no bite. It just happened that Q Sound had a good marketing team and a few in the videogame industry fell for their spiel. Dolby Pro Logic and Pro Logic II are both proven technologies with years and years of research behind them. Not that they really matter any more.

Team Andromeda
01-06-2021, 09:03 PM
Stage 3 to Ecco CD had really good sound space in the music and in Pen Pen, I found some nice separation in the swimming sections

The trouble with Dolby was not many people had that sort of set up in 1993 and it cost quite a lot of money. So it made sense to try and look for clever ways of just using 2 speakers.
I was always impressed with the sound separation from just 2 speakers in Snatcher and Road Adv on the Mega CD .

I think my 1st experience of Dolby Road Rash on the 3D0 where you could hear the traffic behind you and it was like a game changer at the time LOL

MegaDriver
01-12-2021, 04:05 PM
The trouble with Dolby was not many people had that sort of set up in 1993 and it cost quite a lot of money. So it made sense to try and look for clever ways of just using 2 speakers.
I was always impressed with the sound separation from just 2 speakers in Snatcher and Road Adv on the Mega CD .

Precisely.

But the necessary space to put up a sound system with good results could also be a constraint for many, especially if the room one plays in is small or already crowded with other objects, furniture, etc

In my case when I first got a 2nd hand Cambridge Soundworks PS2000 I was blown away with the sound I was getting from just 2 speakers placed in the corner of the room!

Interestingly, that sound system in particular also seems able to deal with analogue sources with early type of dolby surround encoding to it. Either that or it fakes it very well through the CMSS setting.

cleeg
01-13-2021, 02:54 AM
So this where I get a bit confused... Eventually I want to get an AV HDMI receiver with surround sound. I don't want anything too fancy, and might not even go for 7.1, staying with 5.1 if the price is better, but if I watch say, a Blu Ray with a 7.1 or Atmos soundtrack, will I miss anything? Or would the receiver / Blu Ray player do some magic to ensure the sound is distributed throughout the setup accordingly?

Any recommendations / tips? I also have a vintage B&O quodrophonic hifi, which I think I'll just use for music, though I'm still thinking of integrating it somehow into the gaming setup...

Baloo
01-13-2021, 06:15 PM
Cleeg: check out my latest post in the HiFi Stereo thread in Off-Topic.

cleeg
01-13-2021, 06:25 PM
Thank you Baloo, I can't rep you.

gamevet
01-16-2021, 08:57 PM
Stage 3 to Ecco CD had really good sound space in the music and in Pen Pen, I found some nice separation in the swimming sections

The trouble with Dolby was not many people had that sort of set up in 1993 and it cost quite a lot of money. So it made sense to try and look for clever ways of just using 2 speakers.
I was always impressed with the sound separation from just 2 speakers in Snatcher and Road Adv on the Mega CD .


They certainly weren't trying then. I pieced together a Pro-Logic surround setup, by buying open box stereo equipment from Best Buy. I had a full blown surround sound setup by the summer of 1993 and was making less than $14 hour back then.

The Sony STR-D990 came out in 1992.

https://usermanual.wiki/Sony/STRD990.3567019342


Look at some of the inputs that thing had. It even had a connection for DAT.

https://www.sega-16.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15834&d=1610845962

Team Andromeda
01-17-2021, 04:51 AM
They certainly weren't trying then. I pieced together a Pro-Logic surround setup, by buying open box stereo equipment from Best Buy. I had a full blown surround sound setup by the summer of 1993 and was making less than $14 hour back then.


Overlooking SONY Hi-Fi equipment was never cheap, also like £100 more for similar products. Most sperate Hi-Fi amp's cost over £300 in the UK in the early '90s and that's before you even added speakers, even by the time of the Xbox, I didn't know many people with a separate sound amp for sound sound and making use of 5.1, USA could well be different
I had surround sound from my Philips separate Hi-Fi that I got for £250 in a Dixsons ex-display weekend offer in 1993. To be honest I didn't such much difference in games that used Dolby to those that's didn't as the sound was coming out of the back speakers no matter and didn't heard that much sound separation from Fifa on the Mega CD. That changed the time I got Road Rash on the 3DO and you could hear traffic that was behind you and was really impressed with the number of RARE titles that used Dolby on the N64. It was a pain moving the wires and all that, so didn't make that much of Dolby until I got my Kenwood Dolby Digitial stet up with the OG XBox and also at that time got a Philips TV widescreen TV with built in Dolby

For most of the 90's I had a Nicam TV with built-in speakers each side and my old PC 14 monitor had speakers on the sides, so it was easy to get in the correct position for me with the Mega CD and Dreamcast for Q sound. Stage 3 to Ecco CD on the Mega CD had some epic sound separation and it really did fill the room, I wasn't that impressed at all with Terminator on the Mega CD, but did experience some ok sound separation with Jurassic Park on the Mega CD. For The DC, on the Sonic Adv intro, I heard some nice sound separation and on stages like Twinkle park. Pen Pen underwater sections seemed to fill my room with sound as did to parts to D2

Nothing to a dedicated setup but still quite impressive with just a basic 2 speaker set up. The real game changer moment came for me playing Halo in 5.1 in Digital on my Kenwood with throwing a grenade and hearing grunts going flying over my head and through each of the back speakers separately with the sound of debris coming to throw the front speakers. Then was no going back from that moment on

gamevet
01-17-2021, 01:35 PM
Pioneer was more expensive than Sony. I decided I was going to get a surround sound setup, after hearing my friendís Pioneer setup. I started out with just the receiver and a couple of cheap Pioneer speakers, then got a pair of JBL bookshelf speaker that were open box at Best Buy for $90.

I had the system paired up with a Fisher Hi-Fi VCR that I got on clearance from a rental center. The day that thing died was almost heart breaking. Movies sounded awesome with Pro-Logic surround, and so did some of the Dolby SNES games I played through that receiver.

Team Andromeda
01-18-2021, 04:36 AM
Pioneer was more expensive than Sony. I decided I was going to get a surround sound setup, after hearing my friendís Pioneer setup. I started out with just the receiver and a couple of cheap Pioneer speakers, then got a pair of JBL bookshelf speaker that were open box at Best Buy for $90.

I had the system paired up with a Fisher Hi-Fi VCR that I got on clearance from a rental center. The day that thing died was almost heart breaking. Movies sounded awesome with Pro-Logic surround, and so did some of the Dolby SNES games I played through that receiver.

I don't remember any shop selling Pioneer stuff in my area you went up to SONY and that was it and SONY stuff always cost like a £100 more than similar products from JVC, Panasonic Ect and funilly enough my 1st ever job was working in Curry's LOL .
Like I said I never saw many benefits from using Dolby for the early stuff as the sound was coming out of the back speakers anyway and you had the issue of my rather using the Scart RGB lead to RCA leads if I wanted surround sound on systems with no separate Left Right outs

Road Rash on the 3DO was a big marker for surround sound but playing Halo in 5.1 was the real game changer for me and when I looked to play all games in surround sound. It's disappointing to see how little sound gets covered even today by the likes of Digital Foundry; they just focus on graphics and that's it. Such a shame when the stunning use of Dolby Atmos in Gears 4 and COD Modern Warefare adds so much to the experience.

gamevet
01-18-2021, 11:17 AM
It certainly sounds more like Sony didnít have any competition, if JVC, Philips and Panasonic were their competitors over there. Over here it was Kenwood, Pioneer (we all thought they were an American company), Yamaha, Onkyo and Sony. Sony was the best bang for the buck, because the others were a lot more expensive. I paid over $500 for my 27Ē Sony Trinitron back @ 1995, because Sony really didnít have any competition in the CRT market, other than Toshiba with their Trinitron clone televisions and Panasonicís flat screen CRTs. My receiver was only $300 (open box), because it was last years model. Compare that to something similar to what Kenwood, or Pioneer was selling, and it was $100 cheaper. I wouldnít even think of looking at something from JVC or Phillips, because they werenít considered high quality in the 90s, and were peddling trash under the guise of their quality products from the 80sí.

I mainly got my receiver to watch movies in surround and it was a plus that there were a few SNES games, like Star Fox, that supported the format. There were other games on the SNES that supported it as well, but didnít put the Dolby logo on the box, to avoid paying licensing fees to Dolby Labs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/miniSNESmods/comments/hyajts/snes_dolby_surround/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

Team Andromeda
01-19-2021, 03:40 AM
It certainly sounds more like Sony didnít have any competition, if JVC, Philips and Panasonic were their competitors over there. Over here it was Kenwood, Pioneer (we all thought they were an American company), Yamaha, Onkyo and Sony. Sony was the best bang for the buck, because the others were a lot more expensive. I paid over $500 for my 27Ē Sony Trinitron back @ 1995, because Sony really didnít have any competition in the CRT market, other than Toshiba with their Trinitron clone televisions and Panasonicís flat screen CRTs. My receiver was only $300 (open box), because it was last years model. Compare that to something similar to what Kenwood, or Pioneer was selling, and it was $100 cheaper. I wouldnít even think of looking at something from JVC or Phillips, because they werenít considered high quality in the 90s, and were peddling trash under the guise of their quality products from the 80sí.

I mainly got my receiver to watch movies in surround and it was a plus that there were a few SNES games, like Star Fox, that supported the format. There were other games on the SNES that supported it as well, but didnít put the Dolby logo on the box, to avoid paying licensing fees to Dolby Labs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/miniSNESmods/comments/hyajts/snes_dolby_surround/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

I don't agree that just because SONY cost more they were better. I remember when I got my Panasonic portable DVD L50 on holidays in Hong Kong and it was light years of the SONY offering and cheaper too. I was always super impressed with what Kenwood could offer for its price, but that's another Topic.
I didn't really care for Surround sound in the early 90's, so little games used and other than Fifa on the Mega CD or Super Turrican 2 on the Snes, I never really bothered to try and change the sound options, that started to change with the 3DO and the N64 and then I went into full flight when I had my X Box in 2001 and finally could experience Dolby Digital for games and films

Playing Halo in 5.1 was a total game changer. Even now mind I don't know that many people will a full surround set up even on some of the gaming forums. Which is such a shame, I love how Atmos was used in the likes of Gears IV and COD or even in games like Shadow Of the Tomb Raider. Shame for films and while the film might be dire, the use of Atmos in The Predator 2018 is the best I've heard in any film to date.

Like said I find it such a shame that the likes of Digital Foundry hardly cover or give time to sound design in games, much less where all the staff have the full Dolby Atmos set up Ect. It's really poor when how sound is used can really add to the game and its impact on the player.

gamevet
01-19-2021, 10:25 PM
I don't agree that just because SONY cost more they were better. I remember when I got my Panasonic portable DVD L50 on holidays in Hong Kong and it was light years of the SONY offering and cheaper too. I was always super impressed with what Kenwood could offer for its price, but that's another Topic.
I didn't really care for Surround sound in the early 90's, so little games used and other than Fifa on the Mega CD or Super Turrican 2 on the Snes, I never really bothered to try and change the sound options, that started to change with the 3DO and the N64 and then I went into full flight when I had my X Box in 2001 and finally could experience Dolby Digital for games and films

Playing Halo in 5.1 was a total game changer. Even now mind I don't know that many people will a full surround set up even on some of the gaming forums. Which is such a shame, I love how Atmos was used in the likes of Gears IV and COD or even in games like Shadow Of the Tomb Raider. Shame for films and while the film might be dire, the use of Atmos in The Predator 2018 is the best I've heard in any film to date.

Like said I find it such a shame that the likes of Digital Foundry hardly cover or give time to sound design in games, much less where all the staff have the full Dolby Atmos set up Ect. It's really poor when how sound is used can really add to the game and its impact on the player.

I was talking about their televisions, which were considered the best in the consumer market, as well as their studio monitors that are heavily sought out today, for their RGB quality.

I was saying that if Sony's stereo equipment was the most expensive over there, it's because they didn't have any competition. Sony over here was what you bought if you couldn't afford Kenwood, Yamaha or Pioneer. You didn't buy it because it was the best. You bought it, because it was the best bang you could get for your cash.

And, like I said, surround sound wasn't that scarce around here. By the late 90's they were selling cheap all-in-one surround sound kits for people to connect to their televisions. Just because you weren't interested at the time, doesn't mean anything about the discussion.

Team Andromeda
01-21-2021, 08:09 AM
I was talking about their televisions, which were considered the best in the consumer market, as well as their studio monitors that are heavily sought out today, for their RGB quality.

I was saying that if Sony's stereo equipment was the most expensive over there, it's because they didn't have any competition. Sony over here was what you bought if you couldn't afford Kenwood, Yamaha or Pioneer. You didn't buy it because it was the best. You bought it, because it was the best bang you could get for your cash.

And, like I said, surround sound wasn't that scarce around here. By the late 90's they were selling cheap all-in-one surround sound kits for people to connect to their televisions. Just because you weren't interested at the time, doesn't mean anything about the discussion.


SONY are to me, very like Apple and look to charge over £100 more than their rivals based on name alone and where most of their rivals offer products of similar spec and quality at a cheaper price. I won't try and pretend I knew about the USA audio sector in the 90's or took any interest in it, but I will just say what it was like in the UK. In the 90's TV and separate sound amps were big ticket items, cost a lot of money and were investments you looked to hold on to for decades. Kenwood in the UK (not the Kitchen one) were the brand you looked to go to, for quality products at a reduced price and if wanted cheap crap you went to Amstrad LOL, the likes of SONY and Yamaha were super high end and you never really saw a Pioneer products in Wales.

Not many gamers had a surround sound set up in the 90's, in the UK it was hugely expensive and even today when I look at some people gamer rooms on the various forums there's no surround sound set up's its expense loads can do with out.
I can only say the truth and say that for me I didn't see much different from playing the likes of Super Turrican 2 on the Snes or Fifa on the Mega CD in dolby, I saw a big improvement with Road Rash on the 3DO and when I got my Xbox in December 2001
I was lucky enough just a few weeks later to get a 5.1 Dolby Digital Kenwood amp in a Richersounds manager special; basically an unboxed ex display model, with speakers thrown in and also more discount for playing in cash :). That's ,when I really heard the massive impact of surround gaming could have.

I get annoyed a little when even today so little focus is given to sound in reviews of games. Playing Gears IV in Atmos was just an incredible experience like the 1st time you heard a Wind Flair storm come in; It was a real stand out moment for me with this generation of sound

Joe Redifer
01-24-2021, 03:23 AM
Sony is not a go-to name when it comes to sound. I mean look at the SNES. Everyone hates the sound it makes. But seriously for electronic equipment like receivers and speakers etc etc Sony was just kind of blah. At least Apple offers good products (wouldn't trust them for sound though). I recently went from a Pioneer to a Denon AVR and the Denon doesn't sound as good as the Pioneer to me and the unit itself is a bit clunkier to control. It also refuses to see the internet any more. That's because it would drop picture on Xbox One or PS4 after it was powered on for a few minutes until I reselected the input I was using. Updating firmware didn't help, so Denon wrote me a special firmware that I had to update over USB, and that killed the unit's internet functionality. I am waiting for Pioneer to get HDMI 2.1 and then I'm going back.

gamevet
01-24-2021, 03:53 AM
SONY are to me, very like Apple and look to charge over £100 more than their rivals based on name alone and where most of their rivals offer products of similar spec and quality at a cheaper price. I won't try and pretend I knew about the USA audio sector in the 90's or took any interest in it, but I will just say what it was like in the UK. In the 90's TV and separate sound amps were big ticket items, cost a lot of money and were investments you looked to hold on to for decades. Kenwood in the UK (not the Kitchen one) were the brand you looked to go to, for quality products at a reduced price and if wanted cheap crap you went to Amstrad LOL, the likes of SONY and Yamaha were super high end and you never really saw a Pioneer products in Wales.

Like I said, Sony didn't offer the best sound equipment over here. They were middle of the road, but they offered the best bang for the buck. Pioneer, Yamaha and Onkyo had better quality products, but they came at a premium price.


Not many gamers had a surround sound set up in the 90's, in the UK it was hugely expensive and even today when I look at some people gamer rooms on the various forums there's no surround sound set up's its expense loads can do with out.
I can only say the truth and say that for me I didn't see much different from playing the likes of Super Turrican 2 on the Snes or Fifa on the Mega CD in dolby, I saw a big improvement with Road Rash on the 3DO and when I got my Xbox in December 2001
I was lucky enough just a few weeks later to get a 5.1 Dolby Digital Kenwood amp in a Richersounds manager special; basically an unboxed ex display model, with speakers thrown in and also more discount for playing in cash :). That's ,when I really heard the massive impact of surround gaming could have.

Most gamers didn't know any better. Like I'd said, I'd bought a pro-logic receiver for movies and having that setup for games was a bonus. Most gamers were clueless about the added benefits of having surround sound for gaming.


I get annoyed a little when even today so little focus is given to sound in reviews of games. Playing Gears IV in Atmos was just an incredible experience like the 1st time you heard a Wind Flair storm come in; It was a real stand out moment for me with this generation of sound

Reviews don't focus on sound, because every game provides surround sound. Atmos is a joke to me, because there are/were much better options for sound on consoles and PC, for those people that actually invested in good sound hardware. My desktop PC has a Turtle Beach X12 headset paired with an Earforce DSS setup that provides pretty good surround sound. My Creative Labs sound card provides Dolby Digital Live sound, as well as scout mode, where I can hear footsteps behind me. The options were there in the early 90s'. Just because a lot of people didn't know any better, or didn't have the money to invest in it, doesn't mean it didn't matter.

Team Andromeda
01-24-2021, 04:40 AM
Sony is not a go-to name when it comes to sound. I mean look at the SNES. Everyone hates the sound it makes. .

I don't agree. The SNES got fantastic music and for me the better sound chip than the one in Mega Drive and people will always have their own fav makes or systems. I found Kenwood to be amazing and was so sorry I got rid of my 5.1 Kenwood amp for a Yamaha one when I got an Xbox 360 Elite and PS3 and was looking for an amp with HDMI inputs. To me, despite costing far more and the man in the shop swearing by Yamaha and looking at the reviews on AV forums, I liked the sound my old Kenwood made better.

I currently have my Denon Atmos Amp and while it's nice and really good. I think it controller and the unit interface and set up sucks, but people then swear by Denon.


Like I said, Sony didn't offer the best sound equipment over here. They were middle of the road, but they offered the best bang for the buck. Pioneer, Yamaha and Onkyo had better quality products, but they came at a premium price.


To me, Kenwood offered the best bang for your buck when it came to Hi-Fi. I've not even been the biggest fan of SONY TV's ok I only ever had a 14' Triniton (and to its credit it still works) I found my old Hitachi CRT to the best and my old Mitsubishi to be the best VHS player, but that's just me LOL.


Most gamers were clueless about the added benefits of having surround sound for gaming

That is true but it was also up to games to make good use of the extra channel rather than just play rudimentary sound from the back speaker. I guess given Dolby was only mono in the back that didn't help. Like I said Road Rash on the 3DO really used the back speaker, where Fifa on the Mega CD just played more or less the same sound coming from the front at the back.

Halo in 5.1 was a game changer moment for me and when it comes to Atmos playing Gears IV in Atmos for the 1st time was an utter showcase for the sound format and incredible audio experience .



Reviews don't focus on sound, because every game provides surround sound

You can add so much to experience but how you mix and use the extra channels; In Shadow Of The Tomb Raider, I thought it was great how with Atmos all the sound just came out of the front speaker, when trying to get out of the confined cave, then when you broke free and climb up to the jungle, all the sound starts to come out of all the speakers and the top/ceiling speakers and it really helped to give you the impression that you broke free

The way Atmos sound is used in Call Of Duty Modern Warfare to give the impression of the distance of gun fire is stunning and the use of the top speakers for the helicopters just makes you feel you're in a war zone, or when raiding a house and you can hear footsteps coming from the top speakers, really helps built up the tension. It has always wound me up a little how tech people like DF and the like on YouTube only focus on GFX Screen Res and FPS and hardly any focus is given to sound and sound design.

When you look at Film reviews, at least some will take the time to compare the sound options explain is it a good sound mix, does the new atmos track add anything ECT. It really should be the same for games

Baloo
01-26-2021, 12:07 PM
Sony is not a go-to name when it comes to sound. I mean look at the SNES. Everyone hates the sound it makes. But seriously for electronic equipment like receivers and speakers etc etc Sony was just kind of blah. At least Apple offers good products (wouldn't trust them for sound though). I recently went from a Pioneer to a Denon AVR and the Denon doesn't sound as good as the Pioneer to me and the unit itself is a bit clunkier to control. It also refuses to see the internet any more. That's because it would drop picture on Xbox One or PS4 after it was powered on for a few minutes until I reselected the input I was using. Updating firmware didn't help, so Denon wrote me a special firmware that I had to update over USB, and that killed the unit's internet functionality. I am waiting for Pioneer to get HDMI 2.1 and then I'm going back.

Stuff like this is why I chose to stick with my old receiver and amp setup rather than try to get a brand new all in one receiver. I have heard that they sound worse, and that you can't even buy used because HDMI Passthrough sucks and drops video. My TV is an older Panasonic from 2011 so it only does 1080p and the picture is not the best. But I am not about to scrap an entire audio system just for the sake of HDMI, which seems intent on breaking receivers every few years and sucks for music anyway. As crazy as it is, I will stick with analog out through my Genesis and turntable, and Digital Output through my TV. Sounds pretty good for Digital 5.1.

gamevet
01-26-2021, 01:10 PM
I use Optical connections for my sound into my Sony 5.1 receiver and just use the HDMI to pass though Video to the television. Iíve never had any video output issue.

I donít think Joe was being serious, btw.

Team Andromeda
01-27-2021, 04:04 AM
My Denon only does HDMI 2.0 So I just use the eARC on my LG CX so I can use the full feature set of my Series X VRR and 120FPS, whilst also getting full Dolby Atmos out of my Amp.