Game Bargain of the Century

[17daysolderthannes]

Is the bios that this emulator configured with north American? The games I'm trying to run are Japanese and they don't seem to work, even if I do change the region.

oh, no idea. Are you trying to run actual Neo Geo CD games rather than burned copies? Ironically, IIRC, it only works with CD-R copies rather than original games, go figure.

Personally, if they have them in the master list, I'd just download a pre-made Neo4All disc.

http://snesorama.us/board/showpost.p...19&postcount=4

(I know that is a hazy link in terms of acceptability, but Neo Geo CD owners have no easily accessible means of creating them themselves. For legal purposes, only owners of respective Neo CD games should follow the links on the forum page provided)

[Guntz]

All NEO-GEO consoles are region free (MVS, AES, CD. Hell even Pocket/Pocket Color), so there might be something wrong with the games themselves. Are you using Neo CD masters (AKA original retail copies)? Do you own a real Neo CD console to test them on?

Also, Neo4ALL (well, the one I have with Metal Slug 2 pre-loaded) can be set to USA, EURO or JPN, so you'll be covered.

[retrospiel]

Can someone give me some help with getting the Neo Geo CD emulator to work?

I have some Neo Geo CD games that I want to play on my Dreamcast and when I downloaded a supposed preconfigured file it wouldn't load my games.

Here's a precompiled CD image: http://depositfiles.com/files/qy2wjanzo

Burn this with DiscJuggler or Alcohol120% or BootDreams.

Some original CDs might not work due to the fact that they are copy protected and thus won't be recognized by the Dreamcast (My original copy of Pulstar works perfectly, while Sengoku 2 isn't recognized.)
Use your PC's CD/DVD drive to create a backup prior playing them in the emulator.

[Guntz]

Neo CDs had copy protection? Maybe it was for a few games like you said. I don't remember Neo CD too well at all.

[17daysolderthannes]

Neo CDs had copy protection? Maybe it was for a few games like you said. I don't remember Neo CD too well at all.

well, based on the fact that people claim only burned copies will play on Neo4All, I guess SNK put the copy protection on the disc itself a la music CDs rather than preventing CD-R use on the system.

[Knuckle Duster]

Zero Gunner 2 is pretty fucking sweet.
WHY isn't the stick available for movement though?! Ridiculous.

[Puffy2k316]

well, based on the fact that people claim only burned copies will play on Neo4All, I guess SNK put the copy protection on the disc itself a la music CDs rather than preventing CD-R use on the system.

That's the Dreamcast's copy protection I think

[17daysolderthannes]

Zero Gunner 2 is pretty fucking sweet.
WHY isn't the stick available for movement though?! Ridiculous.

because you're supposed to play it with an arcade stick, noob.

That's the Dreamcast's copy protection I think

no, because you put the Neo CD boot disc in first, it should be no different than a Utopia boot disc, etc. Besides, DC doesn't have copy protection, remember? They relied on the GD-ROM format to keep games from being pirated.

[Puffy2k316]

I'm almost positive that the Dreamcast did have copyright protection, it was just cracked really quickly. I don't think that if you had the technology to rip a GD-Rom you could just rip it and burn it to a CD and it would work.

Actually, here's an article from 2000 when they first cracked it.

[Knuckle Duster]

because you're supposed to play it with an arcade stick, noob.

That doesn't mean that it should be D-pad only on the standard controller. Unless there's an option in the jap menu somewhere.

[m68k]

I have a dreamcast. I just got it about 4 months ago, and its nice. When I got it however, it smelled of smoke to the worst extent. I had to take apart the entire thing and wash its components!

I just need to figure out which games to burn!

[retrospiel]

I'm almost positive that the Dreamcast did have copyright protection

We were talking about Neo Geo CDs, not Dreamcast.


@KD: Zero Gunner 2 is great! I'd recommend Border Down next - Some more recommendations I posted earlier:

• Essentials / Starter Pack
  

  Games I'd recommend:
  

  • REZ
  • shmups - All of them!
  • all SNK / Capcom 2D games (KOF: Dream Match 99, SSF2X, Vampire Chronicle, Puzzle Fighter, Twinkle Star Sprites, etc. pp.)
  • Virtua Tennis, Power Stone & Power Stone 2, Daytona USA 2001, Sega Rally 2, Bomberman Online, Mr. Driller, Puyo Puyo Fever, Bust-A-Move 4, Worms World Party

  
  
  If you got an HDTV with VGA port, you should consider buying a Dreamcast VGA cable/adapter: http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=vga+box+dreamcast

• Hidden Gems
  

  REZ
  Super Street Fighter II X for Matching Service
  Vampire Chronicle for Matching Service
  Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo for Matching Service
  Twinkle Star Sprites
  Bangai-Oh
  Power Stone (2)
  Border Down
  Lack of Love
  Elemental Gimmick Gear
  Bomberman Online
  Napple Tale
  Cosmic Smash
  Ikaruga
  Mars Matrix
  Marvel vs Capcom (2)
  Daytona USA 2001
  Mark of the Wolves
  Guilty Gear X
  Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
  Under Defeat
  Zero Gunner 2
  Outtrigger
  Puyo Puyo Fever
  Zombie Revenge
  Trigger Heart Exelica
  Last Hope

• Exclusives
  

  There is a good number of [Dreamcast] games that remain [semi-]exclusive, that are otherwise only available on handhelds or as arcade PCBs. - Actually, I think that this is an interesting topic, and you inspired me to start a list of DC exclusives:
  
  Alien Front Online (-)
  Armada (PC: Armada Online)
  Bangai-O (N64, NDS)
  Blue Stinger (-)
  Border Down (-)
  Cannon Spike (-)
  Cosmic Smash (-)
  D2 (-)
  Daytona USA 2001 (-)
  [DUX (-)]
  Dynamite Deka 2 (-)
  Elemental Gimmick Gear (-)
  Giga Wing / Giga Wing 2 (-)
  Heavy Metal Geomatrix (-)
  JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (PS1)
  L.O.L.: Lack of Love (-)
  Mars Matrix (-)
  Mr. Driller (PS1, GBA)
  Napple Tale (-)
  Outtrigger (-)
  Power Stone / Power Stone 2 (PSP)
  Project Justice (-)
  Psychic Force 2012 (-)
  Q*bert (PS1)
  Record of Lodoss War (-)
  Red Dog (-)
  [Rush Rush Rally Racing (-)]
  Sega Rally 2 (PC)
  Shenmue (-)
  Spawn (-)
  Star Lancer (PC)
  Super Magnetic Neo (-)
  Tech Romancer (-)
  Toy Commander (-)
  Toy Racer (-)
  Under Defeat (-)
  Vampire Chronicle (PSP)
  Virtua Tennis (PC)
  Wetrix (N64, PC)
  Zero Gunner 2 (-)
  Zombie Revenge (-)

[17daysolderthannes]

I'm almost positive that the Dreamcast did have copyright protection, it was just cracked really quickly. I don't think that if you had the technology to rip a GD-Rom you could just rip it and burn it to a CD and it would work.

Actually, here's an article from 2000 when they first cracked it.

Even your own article confirms what I said:

Dreamcast's copy protection centres on the use of a proprietary CD-ROM format, which not only increases the amount of data a CD can hold to 1GB, but clearly marks out legitimate Dreamcast CDs from Recordable CD copies. Utopia's code presumably bypasses the console's software that rejects non-Dreamcast CDs. Of course, if the original game is bigger than the 650MB a regular CD can hold, that's a problem. But hackers reckon the solution is just a matter of pruning non-essential files like cut-scene movies.

The Dreamcast either identifies a disc as an authentic GD-ROM or as an audio disc. The way bootlegs work is by tricking the bios into thinking it's a MIL-CD (an audio disc with DC bootable data) and booting it as such and in doing so launches the CD-formatted game. If you remember those audio CDs back in the day that had multi-media add ons (usually low quality music videos, etc.), it's like that, only for Dreamcast, and they don't put any actual audio and put a full game in that data track.