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    Sales don't dictate victory. Theres no way the SNES won in Brazil or parts of Europe.

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    I don't really care that much who "won", but what does annoy me is the people who make such a tremendous deal out of the SNES' capabilities over the Genesis. It came out two fucking years later, it's hardly anything to circle-jerk over. I don't see people high-fiving over the Xbox being more powerful than the Dreamcast.

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    I don't think the 16-bit wars was between the SNES and the Genny. It was between Nintendo and Sega. Did Nintendo win? They sure did; with outstanding (and unscrupulous) business tactics that outperformed those of Sega (and yes, Sega also had, both, outstanding and unscrupulous business tactics ). At any rate, the fact is that there are two notions of what the 16-bit wars really were about. Taking into consideration the "Big Two" (Sega and Nintendo), one could differentiate said notions into the following:

    1. SNES vs. Genesis: Usually derived from the populace. The product of mainstream. Essentially: What Nintendo and Sega told the people the wars were "really" about ("Which company has the better/best system?").

    2. Nintendo vs. Sega: The real "16-bit war". A feud between major companies (though one more established than the other). Both had outstanding game systems for outstanding prices. They both pushed the envelope when it came to building-up their 16-bit libraries. Both wanted to retain the majority (if not all) of the market. Only one ultimately survived. And, NO, it was not about the 16-bit era. The 16-bit era was just that, an epoch, a time period, a course through a generation of consoles. The real wars continued-on (and preceded) beyond the 16-bit era. Who won amidst the "Big Two" of the 16-bit era? Nintendo, of course. Who had the best system? Both had outstanding systems with outstanding libraries. Are the console wars over? Not unless Taco Bell was the only restaurant to survive the "franchise wars," Arnold Schwarzenneger was President of the United States, and Sylvester Stallone was frozen and brought back to life.

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    Haven't seen any new releases on SNES, but there's a few for Genesis, including the upcoming Pier Solar.

    New Genesis game in 2010, beat that Nintendo!

    (I love both systems equally though.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickSciFi View Post
    I don't think the 16-bit wars was between the SNES and the Genny. It was between Nintendo and Sega. Did Nintendo win? They sure did; with outstanding (and unscrupulous) business tactics that outperformed those of Sega (and yes, Sega also had, both, outstanding and unscrupulous business tactics ). At any rate, the fact is that there are two notions of what the 16-bit wars really were about. Taking into consideration the "Big Two" (Sega and Nintendo), one could differentiate said notions into the following:

    1. SNES vs. Genesis: Usually derived from the populace. The product of mainstream. Essentially: What Nintendo and Sega told the people the wars were "really" about ("Which company has the better/best system?").

    2. Nintendo vs. Sega: The real "16-bit war". A feud between major companies (though one more established than the other). Both had outstanding game systems for outstanding prices. They both pushed the envelope when it came to building-up their 16-bit libraries. Both wanted to retain the majority (if not all) of the market. Only one ultimately survived. And, NO, it was not about the 16-bit era. The 16-bit era was just that, an epoch, a time period, a course through a generation of consoles. The real wars continued-on (and preceded) beyond the 16-bit era. Who won amidst the "Big Two" of the 16-bit era? Nintendo, of course. Who had the best system? Both had outstanding systems with outstanding libraries. Are the console wars over? Not unless Taco Bell was the only restaurant to survive the "franchise wars," Arnold Schwarzenneger was President of the United States, and Sylvester Stallone was frozen and brought back to life.
    Oh do I love Demolition Man, great movie, not so much the game

    I think SNES had more AAA titles going for it. Sega had lots of A's but not many AAA's IMHO. Although my collection for Genesis is bigger, I always find myself wanting to play the SNES more. This is off topic though. sorry!

    I didn't own both during there hay day, mainly had a genesis, so my view would be biased at best

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    Here in the US, I'm gonna have to give the 16-bit era victory to Nintendo. It outlasted the Genesis, even when the Genesis did prove to be a more than worthy competitor. One thing that helped Nintendo a lot was its massive third party support, which, of course, helped to prolong its longevity. And of course, Donkey Kong Country happened, which helped the SNES even more so.

    As much as I love the Genesis, you can't really argue with cold hard facts.

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    There isn't really anything to discuss about here, but I think QuickSciFi summed things up pretty well.

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    in NA it was close, but worldwide SNES won

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    If we called a loss for Sega it wouldn't be the Saturn or the SNES's abilities that caused it. Even with the SNES released Genesis managed to hit 65% of the console market...in the US.... God only knows what Brazil and Europe were like.

    The reason the pros site a sega failure is because of the add ons. 32X and Sega CD killed sega. Saturn was the last straw, and Dreamcast was an unfortunate event because the system was really amazing to everyone but by then no one trusted sega. It wasn't that they were bad consoles its that sega was constantly dropping support for them as soon as they released them. Nintendo laughed at this but the add-on idea eventually crippled them too, because in trying to make there own CD add on they played double agent. They screwed over sony and went with phillips. In response Sony took the tech it was working on with Nintendo and made the Playstation which blew holes all in the next generation and surpassed Nintendo, while the system Philips developed really sucked and no one remembers it unless they go watch AVGN or something.

    But this was all a battle. The war is far stranger. Sega fans have a very enduring loyalty, as clearly we are still here now.

    I want to add to that though an interesting hypothetical. Had Nintendo not screwed over sony, than Nintendo wouldn't be in a different market than Xbox right now and its system might more closely resemble PS3 with Mario on it... Weird.

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    I would have to say in terms of numbers produced Sega won, its so easy to acquire complete Genesis games anywhere. They flood areas such as flea makets, forums, ebay and the list goes on and on. In my opinion because Genesis did so well in selling millions games. Finding Genny games are so common that they sell anywhere from .50 cents to 3 dollars locally at your flea market. Not only that they're built to last with a hard case finding a complete one is relatively easy.

    where as, the SNES won in sheer number of sales because as we all know Nintendo during the day of the NES & SNES and up till the N64 tended to price games high in the $50-100 range I still recalled when Mortal Kombat came out for the SNES it costed about $100 dollars and we didn't even get the gore like in the Genesis version. To find a complete minty snes game such as Wild Guns is near impossible unless you want to pay high prices on ebay or have some sort of hook-up. That's just the way it is till this day SNES games are still priced high for the Rare ones.

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    If memory serves, didn't the sales figures show something like this?

    Japan - SNES outsells Genesis by a huge margin
    North America - draw/tie, maybe with a *slight* edge to the Genesis
    Rest of world - Genesis outsells SNES by a significant (huge?) margin

    I will say that I generally see more Genesis games in the wild than SNES games. Not by much, mind you, but it's a noticeable difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenband View Post
    If memory serves, didn't the sales figures show something like this?

    Japan - SNES outsells Genesis by a huge margin
    North America - draw/tie, maybe with a *slight* edge to the Genesis
    Rest of world - Genesis outsells SNES by a significant (huge?) margin

    I will say that I generally see more Genesis games in the wild than SNES games. Not by much, mind you, but it's a noticeable difference.
    the only one you got right was japan

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    SoJ killed the Genesis in 96 or so. Nintendo was still pushing the SNES for years. My thing is looking at the software sales of both machines the SNES slaughtered the Genesis. There were 17 million SNES's in Japan compared to the 3 or 4 million MD's sold in Japan. The numbers in the US and Europe were right up there with Nintendo.

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