And likewise, the unnecessary war that was conducted in Iraq in 2003 by President Bush has discredited the United States as a superpower to be trusted. Former President Michail Gorbachev's condemnation of NATO powers buttress Putin's position:
"The world is on the brink of a new Cold War. Some are even saying that it has already begun ... One sees new walls. In Ukraine, it's an enormous ditch that they want to dig."
The first round of NATO enlargement occurred in 1999 which brought Poland, Czech Republic, and Hungary into the fold. The second round of NATO enlargement occurred in 2004 which brought in Slovakia, Romania, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Estonia, Lithuania, & Latvia. In 2008 George W. Bush wanted Beorgia and Ukarine to become NATO members. Putin made it clear that such a move would be considered a direct threat. In 2009, NATO expansionism continued with Albania and Croatia becoming members.
Putting the situation into context, one can see why Moscow reacted the way it did. The West is as much to blame for the current situation as Russia. Russia has always feared NATO expansionism near it's borders. And people wonder why Vladimir Putin decided to push back? You are now at his doorstep. In each of the above case studies, Russia warned that it would resist any plans of NATO expansionism. The annexation of Crimea was a strategic move to prevent NATO from ever building a NATO base in the peninsula. Putin's position is quite simple: It you are not going to adhere to Russia's warnings, it will serve a dose of realpolitik to wake you from your slumber.
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It's not like the cold war, it's like how Nazi Germany expanded prior to the war, annecting land areas populated by "German" people, but this time it's Russia doing the same to "protect" land areas with "Russian" people. Forming military alliances is legal, annexing other countries' areas is not.
Russia keeps provoking Sweden and Finland by "accidentally" having their military aircrafts cross our countries' borders, yet they get pissed as soon as discussions about joining NATO happen here. Add the military threats against the Baltic states and Poland from the higher-ups in Russia and you clearly see much of this is Russia's own fault.
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Actually the events in Ukraine are an indication that another Cold War is very likely. The West willingness to increasingly test Russia's mettle is likely to make that a reality. (I won't bother to comment on our Prime Minister's role in inflaming tensions with Russia recently but I'll simply say he has departed from Canada's diplomatic role since his administration has come to power.
Military aircrafts entering Swedish or Finnish airspace is a far cry from what NATO's long term aspirations are for Eastern Europe.
Your position looks at the situation from a Western lens and fails to appreciate what the EU and US have done to create the situation. Putin is clearly demonstrating that if push comes to shove, Russia has the power and the wherewithal to prevent the Western powers from encircling it. From Russia's perspective, it is compelled to act out of it's national interest. As I have already hinted at in my previous post, the West refused to have any meaningful dialogue with Russia and ignored it's pleas not to encroach on it's borders. And it prompted a reaction from Russia.
Already there are signs that the EU recognizes that further sanctions are not the way to go. Germany's Foreign Minister has gone on record and stated that further isolating Russia will result in increased tensions and lessen security in the region.
What is important to note is that Putin's approval ratings at home remain relatively stable: Currently he enjoys an approval rating of 85% slightly down from last month's rating (88%). This in spite of sanctions placed on it's economy. Putin is quite prepared to play the political chess game and reassert Russia's influence in the region.
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What are Russia's long term aspirations of eastern Europe then? Simulated nuclear strikes on Warzaw doesn't exactly peak towards peace and stability.
The West have not and cannot encircle Russia, the biggest country in the world with allies such as China. How has the West encroached on Russia's borders exactly?
If not sanctions, what should EU have done? It's not a military alliance, and even if it was, would a war have been better?
Hitler also had high approval ratings, because controlling the media really helps in that regard.
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From my vantage point, it's quite ludicrous to expect Russia to sit quietly while NATO continues to expand towards it's borders Maybe you should consider why Russia conducted war games in the first place? One only should look at the mess created in the Middle East to understand Russia's stance.
Why don't you answer the question as to what purpose NATO serves? It will undoubtedly answer how NATO expansion directly impacts Russia's national interests and it does not want NATO-allied countries along it's border.
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Ex-Soviet republics and Warzaw pact members are free to join any military alliance they want, it's not like NATO is forcing them. Russia is free to form alliances itself, and so it has (with Belarus and Kazakstan). I can only agree about the mess in the Middle East.
NATO's purpose is to defend its members from military threats. Something which countries like Estonia and Latvia experience from Russia, which for some reason see this as "national interests".
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I don't wish to belabor the point any further but I actually can see why Russia sees NATO's expansion as a provocation and a threat to it's national security. A nation-state will behave in such a way as to attend to it's own wants and needs.
Putin's decision to intervene and take a proactive postion with respect to the Ukraine may have been a wise decision: Germany's Foreign Minister has made the statement that he does not foresee Ukraine joining NATO.
Anyways, enough discussion on politics. Time to do some work! Have a good day Zebbe!
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I can understand it too, but breaking international laws is not the way to go.
Yes, that's because NATO doesn't accept members with border disputes.
Same to you!
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Guys, could you please take your discussion on russian politics elsewhere?
I know thread derailments are par for the course around here, but I'd really hate to see any relevant info on new Genesis games be buried under such a potentially volatile issue!
The funny thing about an oxymoron is, even if you remove the ox, there'll always be a moron. The Question Remains: Y?
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Three new games from Djcouchycouch have been added.
p.s. It's great that Sega-16 has a "add to ignore list" feature.
Sacred Line II
https://www.sega-16.com/forum/showth...fficial-Thread
Sacred Line Genesis
http://sashadarko.com/sacred-line-genesis/
Sacred Line Genesis - Sega-16 Official Thread
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...ficial-Thread/
Kind of surprised the ports of Chip 'N Dale: Rescue Rangers 1&2 (as well as Squirrel King), Felix The Cat, and Darkwing Duck haven't been posted
Same with TMNT: The Legend Returns
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As it was listed as ??? on the original post, here's the Sega-16 thread on Project MD:
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthr...fficial-Thread
This game looks fantastic. I'm off to download it and play it on my trusty Everdrive.
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