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    Also have to say this game looked amazing at the time, with the smoothest polygon graphics I had seen on any system when it came out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Andromeda View Post
    Also have to say this game looked amazing at the time, with the smoothest polygon graphics I had seen on any system when it came out
    For me No Second Prize is the most impressive polygonal game on Amiga 500:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Folco View Post
    For me No Second Prize is the most impressive polygonal game on Amiga 500:

    I would go with Robocop 3 myself, but what was great about Jimmy White was not just the stunning smooth 3D polygons, but the maths and physics under the hood. It really did play like real Snooker and the ball physics were spot on. You can play the game and it would better your own game in real life. I'm not sure how big Snooker was in the USA, but in the UK during the 80 and 90's it was huge and used the play it loads in the local pub
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    Pier Solar has a lot of great graphics, despite my blabbing about how I can't get into SD style characters in general. Beyond that, Pier Solar's artwork and colors are generally great, throughout the whole game.

    Environments: generally detailed, unique, colorful. I haven't played the game for a few yrs but I remember loving walking thru the forest with sunlight effects, for example.

    A lot of special effects just for the sake of special effects. There's that energy-beam effect, pretty often, and it always looks cool.

    Love the title screen, the very start of sparkles... seems like Sonic 2, before Pier Solar's title screen appears with scaling effects. I think it has leaves flying by the title screen IIRC.

    The Bomberman clone looks OK and at least is great for being a functional, and fun clone. (I always wanted to play Genesis Bomberman, but I never saw a copy, and so this clone game is very much appreciated.)

    Love the mode-7 flying bonus stage. In the past, I had all the locations mostly memorized.

    I should really dust off my copy and give it another play-through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Team Andromeda View Post
    I would go with Robocop 3 myself, but what was great about Jimmy White was not just the stunning smooth 3D polygons, but the maths and physics under the hood. It really did play like real Snooker and the ball physics were spot on. You can play the game and it would better your own game in real life. I'm not sure how big Snooker was in the USA, but in the UK during the 80 and 90's it was huge and used the play it loads in the local pub
    Robocop 3 framerate is sensibly lower than No Second Prize.
    No Second Prize framerate is incredible for an Amiga 500.

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    This is probably the best-looking horse in that generation (large and smooth animation)
    https://twitter.com/RetroGifMonster/...99394823929856

    I just wish the rider was also animated as well as the horse itself.

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    Alien Soldier goes totally overboard with multi-jointed sprites, I love it.

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    Yeah, I agree with that. Iím not a big fan of the game, but it does have some crazy bosses and speed.
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    So many posts since I last browsed this thread. I didn't read them all but I know for sure that I much prefer what I see here on the right than what's on the left!
    Quote Originally Posted by Pyron View Post
    Maybe you can tell that i become crazy, but side by side, like a said.. dosen't looks bad.





    Both games have great graphics but the higher resolution of the Mega Drive provides a more pleasant visual experience, as usual, thanks to wider screen estate and also better aspect ratio once those games would be displayed in 4:3.

    Also why does that SNES RPG has a black border all around the screen? This further hurts the presentation! Couldn't the SNES handle this game fullscreen???

    And I'm pretty sure that Phantasy Star IV was done by a smaller team and during a shorter time... Would have been interesting to see what Squaresoft could have done on Mega Drive or Mega-CD...


    BTW those Mega-CD super scaler games never cease to amaze me, they look so good and ahead of their time! Batman Returns, Battlecorps and Soulstar might be my favorites among those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yohko16 View Post
    Also why does that SNES RPG has a black border all around the screen? This further hurts the presentation! Couldn't the SNES handle this game fullscreen???
    This is a recurring issue with Square's RPGs and we still have no clue why they resorted to that (I think those games use a smaller tilemap that barely fills the screen and they're using the borders to hide the resulting scrolling issues, but it's quite dumbÖ)

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    (I was going to make this a new thread but I guess as a new member I'm not allowed to)

    Recently I dove hard into retro gaming for the first time and have been pretty obsessed with it over the last few months. I've been watching lots of videos and reading a lot online about the best games. I've been gaining an appreciation for the Genesis which I didn't use much at the time. I grew up with the Amiga and used only my A500 then A1200 (and a Turbo-Grafx 16) until 2004. I've had a few discussions online about the best graphics of any 16 bit game and found this forum through that. I thought the discourse on this board was the most thoughtful and in depth of all the places I've read. I did see some negative comments about the Amiga though and through all the research I've been doing I think the Sega and Amiga people should have a lot of mutual respect and appreciation for each other as we played a lot of the same games from the same developers. So knowing how interwoven both devices were I wondered how many games were shared between the platforms. I couldn't find anywhere what the number was so I decided to count myself from this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Genesis_games For the record I still think Amiga exclusives Lionheart, Agony and Elfmania are the most beautiful games of the 16 bit era!

    688 Attack Sub
    Addams Family
    After Burner II
    Alien 3
    Alien Storm
    Altered Beast
    American Gladiators
    ***Another World
    Aquatic Games
    Arnold Palmer Tournament Golf
    Atomic Robo-kid
    Back to the Future Part III
    Battle Master
    ***Battle Squadron
    Battletoads
    Best of the Best: Championship Karate
    Blockout
    Bonanza Bros
    Bram Stoker's Dracula
    Brian Lara Cricket
    Brian Lara Cricket 96'
    Brutal: Paws of Fury
    ***Bubba n' Stix
    ***Bubble and Squeak
    Buck Rogers
    Budokan
    California Games
    ***Cannon Fodder
    Centurion
    ***Chaos Engine
    Chase HQ
    Chiki Chiki Boys
    ***Chuck Rock
    Chuck Rock 2
    Cool Spot
    Linus Spacehead's Cosmic Crusade
    Crackdown
    Cyberball
    ***Cyber-Cop Corporation
    Dark Castle
    Desert Strike
    ***Dino Dini's Goal
    Disney's Alladin
    Double Dragon
    Double Dragon 2
    Double Dragon 3
    Duel Test Drive 2
    Dune 2
    ***European Club Soccer
    F-15 Strike Eagle 2
    F1
    F1 World Championship Edition
    ***Faery Tale Adventure
    Fantastic Dizzy
    ***Fatal Rewind
    Fifa International Soccer
    Final Blow (Buster Douglas)
    ***Flashback
    Flink
    Forgotten Worlds
    Galaxy Force 2
    Gaunlet IV
    G-LOC Air Battle
    Ghouls n Ghosts
    Global Gladiators
    ***Gods
    Golden Axe
    Gunship
    Hard Drivin
    Hardball
    ***Humans
    Immortal
    Incredible Crash Dummies
    Indiana Jones
    International Rugby Challenge
    ***International Sensible Soccer
    Ishido
    ***James Pond:Underwater Agent
    ***James Pond 2:Robocod
    James Pond 3
    ***Jim Power
    Jimmy White's Whirlwind Snooker
    Joe & Mac
    John Madden Football
    Jungle Strike
    Kick Off
    King's Bounty
    Klax
    Krusty's Fun House
    Last Battle
    ***Legend of Galahad
    ***Lemmings
    ***Lemmings 2
    Lion King
    Lost Vikings
    ***Lotus Turbo Challenge
    ***Lotus 2
    Marble Madness
    ***Mega-Lo-Mania
    ***Mega SWIV
    Mega Turrican
    Mercs
    Micro Machines
    Midnight Resistance
    MiG-29
    Might & Magic 2
    Mortal Kombat
    Mortal Kombat 2
    ***Mr Nutz 2 (unreleased for Genesis)
    New Zealand Story
    ***Nigel Mansell's Racing
    Nobunaga's Ambition
    Onslaught
    Outrun
    Pac-Mania
    Paperboy
    Paperboy 2
    PGA European Tour
    PGA Tour Golf
    Pirates! Gold
    Pit Fighter
    ***Populous
    Power Drive
    ***Powermonger
    Premier Manager
    Primal Rage
    Prince of Persia
    ***Puggsy
    Race Drivin
    Rainbow Islands
    Rampart
    Rise of the Robots
    ***Risky Woods
    Road Rash
    Roadblasters
    Romance of 3 Kingdoms 2
    Second Samurai (quite different)
    ***Sensible Soccer:European Champions
    ***Shadow of the Beast
    ***Shadow of the Beast 2
    Shaq Fu
    Simpsons:Bart vs Space Mutants
    Skeleton Krew
    Snow Bros
    Space Harrier 2
    ***Speedball 2
    SS Lucifer Man Overboard
    Star Control
    Starflight
    Stormlord
    Street Racer
    Strider
    Striker
    Super Hang On
    Super Monaco GP
    Super Off Road
    ***Super Skidmarks
    Smash TV
    Super Street Fighter 2
    ***Sword of Sodan
    Syndicate
    Terminator 2 Arcade
    Techno Cop
    Tetris
    Theme Park
    Toki
    Top Gear 2
    Total Football
    Turbo Outrun
    Turrican
    ***Two Tribes:Populous 2
    Volfied
    ***Universal Soldier
    Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego
    Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego
    Winter Olympics
    Wiz n Liz
    ***Wolfchild
    World Championship Soccer
    World Class Leaderboard
    World Cup USA 94
    ***Worms
    ***Xenon 2
    Zany Golf
    ***Zool
    Zoom!

    ***Developed on Amiga (44)

    I'm sure I missed a few so that's approx. 186 of 878 so about 21%. Much higher than I thought when I started counting (that took awhile)

    Honourable mentions:

    Sega CD games in common: Adventures of Willy Beamish, Dragon's Lair, Dune, Eye of the Beholder, Final Fight, ***Heimdall, ***Jaguar JX220, Links, Microcosm, Might & Magic 3, ***My Paint, Ninja Warriors, Rise of the Dragon, Secret of Monkey Island, Sherlock Holmes, Sim Earth, Space Ace, Thunderhawk, Wing Commander, Wonder Dog

    Red Zone and Sub-Terrania: Both Genesis games were developed by Zyrinx who were ex Amiga demo scene coders: "During the development of Sub-Terrania Zyrinx did not possess an official Sega development kit. Instead, they hacked together their own development kit using Amiga computers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Terrania

    Adventures of Batman & Robin: I heard rumours that a lot of the effects were influenced again by the Amiga demo scene but couldn't verify that except for that Jesper Kyd was involved

    Kolibri: The Sega 32X game was heavily inspired by Agony from the Amiga, it even used the same font for the title screen

    Sonic: In addition to a pretty impressive Amiga exclusive Sonic inspired game called Kid Chaos, about 8 years ago a programmer revealed a much closer Sonic replica called Blaze, it's a fun, 2 level playable game that he'd written in 1993 and never released https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDlr...el=KeithBugeja

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    Iíve brought it up several times on this board, that a lot of 16-bit Amiga/ST were brought over to the Genesis and SEGA CD.

    I have Starflight on the Genesis, Amiga and C-64. I also have 688 Attack Sub and Lotus II on the Genesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamevet View Post
    Iíve brought it up several times on this board, that a lot of 16-bit Amiga/ST were brought over to the Genesis and SEGA CD.

    I have Starflight on the Genesis, Amiga and C-64. I also have 688 Attack Sub and Lotus II on the Genesis.
    Yeah I think a lot of people would be surprised, maybe less so on this board, but definitely in the general public that more than 1 in 5 games were shared between the systems. I also quickly went through the list for SNES and there are 123 games in common with the Amiga, so pretty good. I won't bother keeping a comprehensive list for SNES but the Amiga games on that console that weren't on the Sega Genesis or Sega CD are A-Train, Alfred Chicken, Bombuzal, Brainies, California Games 2, Civilization, Cool World, Dennis, Drakkhen, Dungeon Master, European Football Champ, First Samurai, Home Alone, Lambourghini Challenge, Lethal Weapon, Magic Boy, Morph, Mr Blobby, Obitus, Operation Thunderbolt, Oscar, Pierre Le Chef, Pinball Dreams and Fantasies, Pushover, Putty Squad, Sim City, Sim Ant, Soccer Kid, Spindizzy Worlds, Super Loopz, Super Putty, Total Carnage, Troddlers, UN Squadron, Ultima VI, Untouchables, Utopia, Whizz and Wizardry.

    So again I think a lot of people would be shocked that the Amiga shares well over 220 games with the 16 bit consoles.

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