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    Everything I've been reading about Boris Johnson's situation has been very sobering. Being given oxygen and even the possibility of using some form of ventilator (most likely a CPAP - no tube down the throat like the Russians are trying to claim) Hopefully he makes a full recovery. Scary shit.

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    I was wrong about this virus, I admit it. Studying the pattern of deaths around the world reveals that there really is no real mitigating factor in who lives or dies. It's almost a genetic lottery whether you're going to survive this thing or not. We've got kids dying, young adults with no history of medical problems dying, and on the other hand we've got cases of elderly people, sometimes extremely elderly people, surviving with only mild symptoms. This thing is terrifying, and all the early signs of it targetting the weak and vulnerable seems to have been extremely misleading. I'm currently still going to work and having to mix with others... I was wrong about this virus and now I'm worried sick. 😕

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    Hope Boris Johnson recovers, don't want to lose such a high profile world leader. I live in Connecticut, 90 miles from the U.S. epicenter of New York City. I really hope that the recent reports of a leveling off are true. The consensus here seems to be that we will fall far short of mortality predictions from just a week ago - a good sign for sure but you just can't know for sure, especially with such a new disease. Now, if we could just do something about the ridiculous toilet paper hoarding.....

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    hopefully boris johnson dies, followed by bolsanaro & all his ilk, world leader wise. it'd be ideal if the folks most bent on denying & profiting off this horror were the fat trimmed, but that's a utopia; our profit-over-people neoliberal model means undeserving folks like this have access to the highest level of care.

    this pandemic is but a taste of what's to come, the same marginalized groups we're engineered to ignore will suffer the highest costs, while even liberals will praise monarchs for their presumed efficacy. as ever, the real work is being done by us - small, regional groups focusing on actual mutual aid, not the perception thereof. but with cartoon villains like trump at the helm, any shitty elitist like cuomo appears a savior, and the same groups line up to crown him, even while he works to cut their wages/benefits, learning nothing. electoralism is a dead end that forces us to both choose teams (both of which actively work against our interests), and surrender our own collective power to old white savior figures who barely hide their contempt for us.

    i'd say i hope we'll learn from this, but everything indicates we won't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishNinja View Post
    hopefully boris johnson dies, followed by bolsanaro & all his ilk, world leader wise. it'd be ideal if the folks most bent on denying & profiting off this horror were the fat trimmed, but that's a utopia; our profit-over-people neoliberal model means undeserving folks like this have access to the highest level of care.

    this pandemic is but a taste of what's to come, the same marginalized groups we're engineered to ignore will suffer the highest costs, while even liberals will praise monarchs for their presumed efficacy. as ever, the real work is being done by us - small, regional groups focusing on actual mutual aid, not the perception thereof. but with cartoon villains like trump at the helm, any shitty elitist like cuomo appears a savior, and the same groups line up to crown him, even while he works to cut their wages/benefits, learning nothing. electoralism is a dead end that forces us to both choose teams (both of which actively work against our interests), and surrender our own collective power to old white savior figures who barely hide their contempt for us.

    i'd say i hope we'll learn from this, but everything indicates we won't.
    And some people in this thread think MrMatty and I are the arseholes... Can't remember us wishing anyone dead.

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    Yeah, I don't wish anyone dead. I hope he recovers, but from what I've heard, he's in like, the extreme 5% of cases. It doesn't look good.

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    I wouldn't lump Bolsonaro and Boris Johnson together.
    When Boris was reluctant to support social isolation he was being advised to do so by the health experts of his government. Once new researches pointed to a different direction, he changed his mind and instructed his people accordingly.

    Bolsonaro is ignoring his own health minister when he goes out in public hugging people left and right, telling them it's just a little flu and that they should blame their local leaders for the financial impact; also promoting complete frivolous social interaction (such as parades to support him) in this day and age.
    Very different attitudes; I'm not expecting a letter from Bolsonaro to thank me for staying home any time soon either.
    There's a huge gap between the two IMHO.

    I went to UK three times last year and it was incredible. I loved the people I met there; all were very friendly, polite and really kind to me; easily some of the best people I've ever met.
    It saddens me to see the leader of their nation in bad condition; I hope he can overcome this 'cause I know that even people who doesn't like him in UK would be hard hit if he died. They don't deserve this extra burden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishNinja View Post
    hopefully boris johnson dies, followed by bolsanaro & all his ilk<snip>

    Frankly I stopped reading at this point, if all you are going to do is wish people dead then STFU. This virus doesn't give a fuck if you're a liberal or conservative, black or white, rich or poor. It levels everybody. IMO we should be above this bullshit. I don't really give a crap about your SJW rant .. stuff it. If it can kill Johnson then it can get your buddy Sanders. No one is safe. Best thing to do is listen to the experts, keep staying safe and hope for it to end soon.

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    Here is a short video from inside an ICU in a London hospital with comments from doctors:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-5...hting-covid-19

    Worth watching.

    Whether or not you trust the media, these are the people who are most experiencing the effects of an overwhelmed healthcare system.

    Quotes:

    "It is completely unimaginable and we're not at the peak yet."

    "Apart from two patients, every patient we are looking after has got COVID. We can't cope with a big spike, we just can't."

    "I've been in intensive care nursing for about 23 years now and I have never seen anything like this, even the London bombings."

    "I think I was a bit naive when we started. I had assumed that it would be the older and the sicker... Some of them are coming through who are young and fit."

    "If people don't stay at home and they sneak out, this is going to continue to happen and our staff are going to be exposed for longer... I just wish people would really, really listen to what the government and we are saying."
    This kind of video shows an "on the ground" perspective that will hopefully get people to understand the risk of an overwhelmed healthcare system. I think it becomes too easy for some people who don't understand exponential growth to dismiss death rate: "There’s been 52,000(ish) deaths from Coronavirus worldwide. In the same timeframe, around 2-3 million people have died from hunger" (that's an actual quote from a poster in this thread).

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    Barone -
    no doubt there's a world of difference between borins & bolsonaro - the latter i would actively celebrate dying, the way we did thatcher. the harm he's creating goes beyond this pandemic. johnson simply wouldn't be missed, the world has no shortage of johnsons.

    that said, boris fell victim to his own stupid "herd immunity" (without the components that'd actually fit this model)/speedrunning approach, and was out there fairly recently, grandstanding & shaking hands. this is, quite literally, the definition of reaping what you sow - the powerful are no exception to this.
    sure, his supporters will take it hard - but not nearly as hard as the waves of families of elderly/immuno-compromised & others, a portion of which could've been mitigated with an approach put forth by the WHO, for starters.

    to others: if recognizing this makes me an asshole, that's fine. maybe sit a bit with where your empathy lies with here.

    Quote Originally Posted by stu View Post
    Frankly I stopped reading at this point, if all you are going to do is wish people dead then STFU. This virus doesn't give a fuck if you're a liberal or conservative, black or white, rich or poor. It levels everybody. IMO we should be above this bullshit. I don't really give a crap about your SJW rant .. stuff it. If it can kill Johnson then it can get your buddy Sanders. No one is safe. Best thing to do is listen to the experts, keep staying safe and hope for it to end soon.
    you're so dimwitted, you assume sanders is my "buddy", because you're incapable of seeing beyond the political spectrum thrust upon you.
    said what i said, go cry more about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mega Drive Bowlsey View Post
    And some people in this thread think MrMatty and I are the arseholes... Can't remember us wishing anyone dead.
    Not in so many words, but it was certainly implied that more people should die for the good of the economy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishNinja View Post
    Barone -
    no doubt there's a world of difference between borins & bolsonaro - the latter i would actively celebrate dying, the way we did thatcher. the harm he's creating goes beyond this pandemic. johnson simply wouldn't be missed, the world has no shortage of johnsons.

    that said, boris fell victim to his own stupid "herd immunity" (without the components that'd actually fit this model)/speedrunning approach, and was out there fairly recently, grandstanding & shaking hands. this is, quite literally, the definition of reaping what you sow - the powerful are no exception to this.
    sure, his supporters will take it hard - but not nearly as hard as the waves of families of elderly/immuno-compromised & others, a portion of which could've been mitigated with an approach put forth by the WHO, for starters.

    to others: if recognizing this makes me an asshole, that's fine. maybe sit a bit with where your empathy lies with here.



    you're so dimwitted, you assume sanders is my "buddy", because you're incapable of seeing beyond the political spectrum thrust upon you.
    said what i said, go cry more about it.
    I literally don't know a single person who celebrated Margaret Thatcher's death. She's actually regarded as one of our greatest PM's by many people. Imagine the tragic bitterness needed to celebrate the death of an old woman. You come across like an angst ridden socialist caricature. I thought you lefties were supposed to hold the moral high ground on social issues? How does celebrating and wishing death on others factor into that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mega Drive Bowlsey View Post
    I literally don't know a single person who celebrated Margaret Thatcher's death. She's actually regarded as one of our greatest PM's by many people. Imagine the tragic bitterness needed to celebrate the death of an old woman. You come across like an angst ridden socialist caricature. I thought you lefties were supposed to hold the moral high ground on social issues? How does celebrating and wishing death on others factor into that?
    ...don't know a lot of irish folks, do you? maybe read more, talk to folks outside your bubble a bit, learn about the immense harm she did - not just to my people.
    as for what you come across: i followed j factor's lead and went back to read some of your posts in this very thread. your words & priorities really paint a picture of someone who shouldn't speak much on moral high grounds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishNinja View Post
    ...don't know a lot of irish folks, do you? maybe read more, talk to folks outside your bubble a bit, learn about the immense harm she did - not just to my people.
    as for what you come across: i followed j factor's lead and went back to read some of your posts in this very thread. your words & priorities really paint a picture of someone who shouldn't speak much on moral high grounds.
    I don't need lectures in morality from somebody who celebrates and wishes death on others, thanks.

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    there are people who - often by a combination of malice, avarice & access to power - cause the suffering and death of large swaths of people. the world is, by nearly any metric found by people outside their cabinet, fan clubs & corporate benefactors, a better place without them. you're perfectly okay with said suffering a few examples here inflict - and by your own words, exalt them - so no, i don't fancy that a morality lesson of any kind would reach you.

    i'm aware some folks find it distasteful to celebrate the passing of nearly anyone, and find the notion repugnant. that's fine. may you & yours never find yourself on the receiving end of a regime's maliciousness or neglect, and have to give thought to power structures & the moral dyslexia so many of us present.


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