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    Default Index / 1st - 10th

    1st - 10th post #1
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    21th - 100th post #3
    Participants / #1 picks post #4
    Rules / Method post #5
    Alternative Top 100 post #???


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    Default 11th - 20th

    11th - 20th
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    Default 21th - 100th

    Rank
    Title
    Points
    Tie-Breaking Notes
    21th
    Streets of Rage 3 / Bare Knuckle 3
    526.0
    16th (down 5)
    22th
    Mega Turrican
    501.5
    new
    23th
    MUSHA / Musha Aleste
    477.5
    15th (down 8)
    24th
    Ghouls 'n Ghosts
    469.0
    33th (up 9)
    25th
    Road Rash II
    463.5
    new
    26th
    Earthworm Jim
    435.5
    25th (down 1)
    27th
    Ristar
    430.5
    23th (down 4)
    28th
    Comix Zone
    429.5
    41th (up 13)
    29th
    ToeJam & Earl
    400.0
    18th (down 11)
    30th
    Shadow Dancer
    399.0
    32th (up 2)
    31th
    Shining Force
    392.0
    new
    32th
    Dynamite Headdy
    372.5
    28th (down 4)
    33th
    TMNT: The Hyperstone Heist
    368.5
    31th (down 2)
    34th
    Streets of Rage
    320.5
    39th (up 5)
    35th
    Battle Mania Daiginjou
    318.5
    42th (up 7)
    36th
    Light Crusader
    316.5
    new
    37th
    Yuuyuu Hakusho Makyou Toitsusen / Yu Yu Hakusho: Sunset Fighters
    309.5
    new
    38th
    Vectorman
    309.0
    24th (down 14)
    39th
    Crusader of Centy / Soleil
    304.5
    new
    40th
    Shining in the Darkness
    288.0
    new
    41th
    Golden Axe
    286.0
    37th (down 4)
    42th
    Langrisser II
    280.5
    new
    43th
    Castle of Illusion
    279.0
    20th (down 23)
    44th
    Xeno Crisis
    275.5
    new
    45th
    Super Street Figher II
    275.0
    new
    46th
    World of Illusion
    274.0
    new
    47th
    Gain Ground
    257.5
    new
    48th
    Eliminate Down
    246.0
    new
    49th
    Wonderboy in Monster World
    245.5
    36th (down 13)
    50th
    Marble Madness (Japanese version by Tengen)
    244.5
    new
    51th
    Jungle Strike
    243.5
    new
    52th
    Dragon's Fury / Devil Crash MD
    234.0
    new
    53th
    Starflight
    225.0
    3 votes; best rank: 7th (once); Rep. Power 71 new
    54th
    Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament
    225.0
    3 votes; best rank: 7th (once); Rep. Power 14 new
    55th
    Ecco the Dolphin
    218.5
    46th (down 9)
    56th
    Thunder Force III
    217.0
    22th (down 34)
    57th
    Golden Axe II
    213.0
    38th (down 19)
    58th
    Mercs
    211.0
    new
    59th
    Desert Strike
    208.0
    new
    60th
    Adventures of Batman & Robin, The
    203.0
    45th (down 15)
    61th
    Mega Man - The Wily Wars / Rockman Mega World
    201.0
    new
    62th
    Panorama Cotton
    198.5
    20th (down 42)
    63th
    General Chaos
    197.0
    new
    64th
    Super Hang-On
    177.0
    new
    65th
    Street Fighter 2 Champion Edition
    170.0
    new
    66th
    Sunset Riders
    168.5
    new
    67th
    Pulseman
    167.0
    new
    68th
    Strider
    162.0
    new
    69th
    Tiny Toon Adventures: Buster's Hidden Treasure
    147.0
    new
    70th
    Granada
    139.0
    new
    71th
    Fire Shark
    138.0
    new
    72th
    Kid Chameleon
    136.5
    44th (down 28)
    73th
    Sub-Terrania
    128.0
    new
    74th
    Ranger X
    127.0
    43th (down 31)
    75th
    Zombies Ate My Neighbors
    124.5
    new
    76th
    NHL Hockey / EA Hockey
    122.0
    new
    77th
    Road Rash 3
    121.5
    new
    78th
    Gauntlet IV
    121.0
    new
    79th
    NHL 96 / Elitserien 96
    120.0
    new
    80th
    Atomic Runner
    119.0
    new
    81th
    Gleylancer
    117.0
    new
    82th
    Greatest Heavyweights
    114.0
    new
    83th
    Micro Machines: Turbo Tournament '96
    113.5
    new
    84th
    Gaiares
    112.5
    new
    85th
    X-Men 2
    111.5
    new
    86th
    Mega Bomberman
    110.5
    29th (down 57)
    87th
    NHL 94
    110.0
    new
    88th
    Shadowrun
    107.0
    new
    89th
    Alisia Dragoon
    103.0
    new
    90th
    Road Rash
    100.0
    2 votes; best rank: 5th new
    91th
    PGA Tour Golf III
    100.0
    2 votes; best rank: 6th new
    92th
    Super Monaco GP
    100.0
    2 votes; best rank: 20th new
    93th
    Warrior of Rome II
    96.0
    new
    94th
    Jewel Master
    93.0
    new
    95th
    Rock n' Roll Racing
    92.0
    new
    96th
    Herzog Zwei
    91.0
    26th (down 70)
    97th
    NBA Jam
    90.0
    1 vote; Rep. Power 96 new
    98th
    Sensible Soccer: International Edition
    90.0
    1 vote; Rep. Power 78 new
    99th
    Truxton
    87.0
    1 vote; Rep. Power 84 50th (down 49)
    100th
    Gynoug
    87.0
    1 vote; Rep. Power 71 new
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    Default Overview Top 20 Lists

    Thanks to all participants!

    Name (alphabetically)
    Link
    Top Pick
    Alianger post #10 Rocket Knight Adventures
    Baloo post #20 Sonic 3 & Knuckles
    Barone post #12 Streets of Rage 2
    Benkei789 post #15 Sonic 3 & Knuckles
    BubsyFan1 post #97 Thunder Force IV
    Cafeman post #24 Sonic 2
    chilled post #89 Streets of Rage 2
    cowboyscowboys post #68 Streets of Rage 2
    English Invader post #46 Ghostbusters
    fantat post #175 Streets of Rage 2
    goldenband post #81 Gain Ground
    Gryson post #39 Landstalker
    joyeux post #13 Sonic 3 & Knuckles
    Ken post #176 Shinobi III
    JAFP78 post #177 Streets of Rage 2
    JPEC83 post #53 Sonic 3 & Knuckles
    Loggo post #108 Shadow Dancer
    maringouin11 post #152 Sonic 3 & Knuckles
    Mega Drive Bowlsey post #87 Sonic 3 & Knuckles
    MushaAleste post #162 MUSHA
    OverDrone post #146 Thunder Force IV
    paulojr_mam post #98 Sonic 3
    Phantar post #71 Sonic 2
    profholt82 post #63 Revenge of Shinobi
    RvR post #23 Sonic 3 & Knuckles
    Sarge post #11 Phantasy Star IV
    Seingalt (not eligible) post #135 The Story of Thor
    sjorspion post #22 Sonic 3 & Knuckles
    Sp1nzoK post #172 Shining Force II
    SpaceFlea post #143 Shining Force II
    Spendle post #54 Sonic 2
    Splatterhouse5 post #171 Streets of Rage 2
    Team Andromeda post #19 Revenge of Shinobi
    Zebbe post #17 Phantasy Star IV
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    Default Rules

    Ten years ago I polled the Sega-16 community trying to determine the best 50 Mega Drive/Genesis games.
    Now in order to give a voice to newer members, capture the changes produced by the passage of time and enlarge the list to 100 games Iíll conduct a similar poll again. I also made some changes to the rules and the scoring system. Additionally the emphasis this time is on best games as opposed to personal favorites.

    Iím aware that there is some frustration around this topic because an earlier attempt to make a Top 100 list failed when the initiator failed to post the results but instead left the forum for good.
    However having timely completed the Top 50 and a much smaller poll about Master System games earlier this year you can trust me to deliver as promised.

    If you want to participate please post a ranked list of what you think that the 20 best Mega Drive/Genesis games are.

    Scoring
    Rank Points (base value)
    1st 50
    2nd 43
    3rd 38
    4th 36
    5th 35
    6th 34
    7th 33
    8th 32
    9th 31
    10th 30
    11th 29
    12th 28
    13th 27
    14th 26
    15th 25
    16th 24
    17th 23
    18th 22
    19th 21
    20th 20


    Not all lists are weighed equally; instead a multiplier that depends on the voterĎs Reputation (as of February 28th 2021) will be applied:
    Rep Power Multiplier
    0-4 1x
    5-9 1.5x
    10-19 2x
    20-49 2.5x
    50 or higher 3x

    For clarification and overview I attach this scoring chart:
    scoring chart.zip

    Examples:
    If you have Rep Power <5 each game will receive the points that are listed above.
    If you have Rep Power 7 a multiplier of 1.5 will be applied to your list (e.g. 1st place will receive 75 points; 20th place will receive 30 points).
    If you have Rep Power 35 the game you rank 6th will receive 85 points.


    Most likely thereíll be several instances of 2 or more games with the same total number of points. In order to post a real Top 100 Iíll use the following tie-breaking criteria:
    1. higher number of people that voted for the game
    2. best rank on any list
    3. number of times that the best rank was attained
    4. higher Rep Power of the members who voted for the best rank
    5. repeat steps 2 Ė 4 for the 2nd best rank on any list; then for the 3rd best rank and so on.


    For comparison I will also provide an alternative Top 100 ranking that weighs all lists equally irrespective of the voterís Rep Power. However Rep Power will still be used for step 4 of the tie breaking procedure.


    Rules
    Games from all regions are eligible; also all the after-market games that are not licenced by SEGA but have been physically released are eligible.

    Mega/Sega CD and 32x games are not eligible.

    Sonic 3 & Knuckles counts as one game.

    There is no limit on games from the same series (a restriction would be relevant mostly for sports games where the difference between consecutive installments is small; but since sports games are rather unpopular I decided to keep things as simple as possible).

    You can revise your list until February 28th, 2021. To do this edit your original list; donít post a second list. However a new post that states that you have edited your list and gives the post# of your list is helpful.

    For the sake of optics and fairness Iím not allowed to vote.


    Results
    Results will be posted according to the following timetable:
    Rank 21-100: March 1st, 2021
    Rank 11-20: March 3rd, 2021
    Rank 6-10: March 5th, 2021
    Rank 1-5: March 7th, 2021

    Iíll be as transparent as possible about the ranking and scoring. For each Top 100 game the accumulated points as well as any applied tie breaking procedures will be listed.

    Additionally on March 7th, 2021 I will also post a zipped Excel-file that contains the complete results and all the calculations.


    Miscellaneous
    If you are not 100% sure about the ranking I urge you to post a preliminary ranking soon and edit it later. This will make sure that you wonít forget to post/miss the deadline and it will also encourage other members to vote too.
    The success of this project depends on your participation! The Top 100 list will only be meaningful if a large number of forum members vote!

    I reserved the first four posts for an enhanced presentation of the results. Please PM me if you can help out with screen shots or are smart about presentation.

    I may edit this post over the following days in order to rectify omissions, clarify some rules, add FAQs and fix my hideous grammar. Significant additions Iíll also post separately.

    FAQs
    Quote Originally Posted by Alianger View Post
    "Additionally the emphasis this time is on best games as opposed to personal favorites."

    Can you explain what you mean by that? I would give the same response unless I'm supposed to take average ratings elsewhere into account (and/or sales?), which then wouldn't be a personal list.
    By personal favorite I refer to a game to which you have a special attachment (e.g. because of some childhood memories or because you are very good at the game and always beat your friends at it) even so you honestly think that the game is bad.
    Obviously itís never possible to be totally objective in this regard but you should try to rank the games by quality.
    However you are not supposed to take ratings by other people or sales into account just your own best judgement regarding the quality of the games.
    Last edited by Seingalt; 01-03-2021 at 02:43 PM. Reason: addition about alternative ranking

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    "Additionally the emphasis this time is on best games as opposed to personal favorites."

    Can you explain what you mean by that? I would give the same response unless I'm supposed to take average ratings elsewhere into account (and/or sales?), which then wouldn't be a personal list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alianger View Post
    "Additionally the emphasis this time is on best games as opposed to personal favorites."

    Can you explain what you mean by that? I would give the same response unless I'm supposed to take average ratings elsewhere into account (and/or sales?), which then wouldn't be a personal list.
    By personal favorite I refer to a game to which you have a special attachment (e.g. because of some childhood memories or because you are very good at the game and always beat your friends at it) even so you honestly think that the game is bad.

    Obviously itís never possible to be totally objective in this regard but you should try to rank the games by quality.

    However you are not supposed to take ratings by other people or sales into account just your own best judgement regarding the quality of the games.

    (I added your question and this answer to the FAQ section of post #5)
    Last edited by Seingalt; 12-29-2020 at 03:44 PM.

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    Awesome!

    How would you prevent, if at all possible, for people to cook their lists in order to rise less popular games on the final list ? I'd be tempted to place Kid Chamaleon on my top 5 just to raise it higher on the final list. I'm tempted, but I won't
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    Can someone please tell me if the scoring chart attachment works?


    Quote Originally Posted by chilled View Post
    How would you prevent, if at all possible, for people to cook their lists in order to rise less popular games on the final list ?
    Unfortunately I think thereís no way to prevent this entirely, in the end we have to put our trust in the honesty of the forum members.

    However I introduced two partial safeguards (in comparison to the 2010 poll):
    1. The scoring is not as steep as the last time: The 3rd place receives slightly less than 2 times as many points as the lowest (20th) place (38 vs. 20 points); in 2010 the 3rd place received more than 6 times as many points as the 20th place (31 vs. 5 points).
    2. The higher weightings that are accorded to voters with higher Rep Power should also help to mitigate the effect of manipulation attempts (new accounts created solely to influence the poll would have zero rep power and therefore a lower weighting).

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    1. Rocket Knight Adventures
    2. Panorama Cotton
    3. Sonic the Hedgehog 2
    4. Langrisser II
    5. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
    6. Contra: Hard Corps (Japanese version)
    7. Mega Bomberman
    8. Ristar
    9. Micro Machines: Turbo Tournament '96
    10. Landstalker
    11. Thunder Force IV
    12. Shining Force II
    13. Battle Mania Daiginjou
    14. Gunstar Heroes
    15. M.U.S.H.A./MUSHA Aleste
    16. Dynamite Headdy (Japanese version)
    17. Yu Yu Hakusho: Makyou Toitsusen
    18. Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
    19. Monster World IV
    20. Phantasy Star IV: End of the Millennium
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    Well, let's see what a Nintendo guy can come up with here. I certainly looked on many of these titles with envy back in the day.

    01. Phantasy Star IV
    02. Streets of Rage 2
    03. Gunstar Heroes
    04. Shining Force II
    05. Beyond Oasis
    06. Monster World IV
    07. Ristar
    08. Shinobi III
    09. Shining Force
    10. TMNT: The Hyperstone Heist
    11. Streets of Rage
    12. Ranger X
    13. Landstalker
    14. Castlevania Bloodlines
    15. Contra: Hard Corps
    16. Crusader of Centy
    17. Shadow Dancer
    18. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
    19. Sonic the Hedgehog
    20. Vectorman
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    Thanks a lot for this thread! This is the kind of discussion we used to had more frequently years ago.

    Somehow, I think it's far more difficult to me without the add-ons. But I'll give it a shot.

    1st: Streets of Rage 2
    2nd: Sonic the Hedgehog
    3rd: Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
    4th: Gunstar Heroes
    5th: Rocket Knight Adventures
    6th: Contra: Hard Corps
    7th: Ristar
    8th: Quackshot
    9th: Thunder Force IV
    10th: Alien Soldier
    11th: Flashback
    12th: Mega Turrican
    13th: Gauntlet IV
    14th: Xeno Crisis
    15th: Eliminate Down
    16th: Pulseman
    17th: Dynamite Headdy
    18th: Splatterhouse 2
    19th: Marble Madness (Tengen/JPN version)
    20th: Undeadline

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    My list has many obvious choices, and I'm a sucker for Sonic:

    1 Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
    2 Sonic the Hedgehog 2
    3 Sonic the Hedgehog
    4 Flashback
    5 Streets of Rage 2
    6 Street Fighter 2 Champion Edition
    7 Turma da MŰnica na Terra dos Monstros (Wonderboy in Monster World)
    8 Mega Man - The Wily Wars
    9 Quackshot
    10 Castle of Illusion
    11 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist
    12 Castlevania Bloodlines
    13 Tiny Toon Adventures: Buster's Hidden Treasure
    14 Disney's Aladdin
    15 Shinobi 3
    16 Ayrton Senna's Super Monaco GP 2
    17 Mortal Kombat II
    18 Fifa Soccer '95
    19 Thunder Force IV
    20 Road Rash

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    I'm honestly curious to see if Xeno Crisis or Paprium (or any other homebrew, but I guess those are the ones with the more chances to) are entering many top 20
    Last edited by chilled; 12-31-2020 at 03:52 AM.
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    1 Sonic 3 & Knuckles
    2 Streets of Rage 2
    3 Streets of Rage 3
    4 Sonic 2
    5 Kid Chameleon
    6 Castlevania Bloodlines
    7 Wonder Boy in Monster World
    8 Monster World IV
    9 Xeno Crisis
    10 Zombies Ate My Neighbors
    11 Shinobi 3
    12 Quackshot
    13 Golden Axe 2
    14 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - The Hyperstone Heist
    15 Gunstar Heroes
    16 Sunset Riders
    17 Road Rash 2
    18 Alien Soldier
    19 Rocket Knight Adventures
    20 Contra

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